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Friday, May 09, 2008

Farnsworth’s Suspension for Throwing Behind Manny’s Head Reduced from 3 Games to 0*

In a ridiculous decision today, an arbitrator reduced Kyle Farnsworth’s suspension from 3 games to 1 game. This was an idiotic decision on a number of levels:

First off, anyone who pays attention to baseball knows that a 1-game suspension will have almost no effect on a middle reliever. Having a reliever unavailable for one day means that he’ll be more able and ready to pitch the next day. A 3-day suspension is really the minimum suspension that has really works as a punishment for a reliever. Anything shorter is like suspending a starter for the 4 games between his starts.

Second, Farnsworth didn’t just drill someone in the ribs. He threw behind his head, a spot that is universally considered especially dangerous because players tend to back away on inside pitches.

Third, Farnsworth’s (and the Yankees’) defense was apparently that he slipped during his delivery. Looking at the context in which it happened and how it looked on video tape, this is very hard to believe. It is so hard to believe, in fact, that if you take Farnsworth at his word, it is hard to imagine ever suspending anyone for throwing at a batter.

Fourth, IF you do take Farnsworth at his word, why are you suspending him at all? You either believe that he slipped or you believe that he was throwing at the batter. If you look at the video and find it convincing that it was all just an accident, there’s no reason to punish him. If you think that the context and the video show that he’s throwing behind someone’s head, then that’s serious enough to warrant at least a 3-game suspension (which is the equivalent of costing him 1 game for the season). 

Lastly, Farnsworth has very tight pants.

This whole thing reminds me of Gary Sheffield going after a fan who he thought might have hit him intentionally and getting no disciplinary action at all. It’s a unfunny joke. 

Darren Posted: May 09, 2008 at 09:52 PM | 37 comment(s)
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   1. Fear & Whisky keeps Phil Coorey going Posted: May 10, 2008 at 12:13 AM (#2775727)
Look on the bright side. He'll give up a few runs soon in a close game when he should have been suspended.
   2. IronChef Chris Wok Posted: May 10, 2008 at 12:15 AM (#2775731)
I thought when Gary punched the fan the fan kind of deserved it for the interference.
   3. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: May 10, 2008 at 12:20 AM (#2775732)
I thought when Gary punched the fan the fan kind of deserved it for the interference.\


The fan's actions made Sheffield's response understandable. It shouldn't have made it acceptable.
   4. Fear & Whisky keeps Phil Coorey going Posted: May 10, 2008 at 12:30 AM (#2775737)
yeah - that fan was a mutt, what does that make Sheffield?? A grub?
   5. Thomas Richard Hamilton Nugent Posted: May 10, 2008 at 03:03 PM (#2776034)
I agree with the argument that Farnsworth's act may have been especially heinous and hence deserving of more punishment, but I'm not sure i agree with your first point. Aren't suspensions intended to punish the players and not teams? Why should a player's role on the team factor into the decision as to how many games a player can be suspended presumably without pay?
   6. Howie Menckel Posted: May 10, 2008 at 03:17 PM (#2776039)
Well, the teams game the system by manipulating exactly when they will "drop the appeal."
among other things

It is certainly silly to suspend a reliever for one game
   7. Pops Freshenmeyer Posted: May 10, 2008 at 04:30 PM (#2776087)
Well, the teams game the system by manipulating exactly when they will "drop the appeal."

Isn't that a non-factor in the arbitrator's decision because the team no longer controls the timing?
   8. Sometimes it Rains (sj) Posted: May 10, 2008 at 04:52 PM (#2776096)
This intro is hilarious.
   9. A Surfeit of Peaches Graham (SdeB) Posted: May 10, 2008 at 05:04 PM (#2776103)
This whole thing reminds me of Gary Sheffield going after a fan


I thought it was Farnsworth that went after the fan.
   10. Darren Posted: May 10, 2008 at 05:13 PM (#2776106)
Yes, the 'drop the appeal' angle is irrelevant once they go to the arbitrator. If he rules against you, you start serving right away. Once the team finds out when the hearing is, though, they can plan the pitcher's usage around that.

Not sure what you find hilarious sj. I suppose it's that I had the temerity to think that two rulings in favor the Yankees were wrong. But that's what I really think. If you've got a convincing argument that Farnsworth shouldn't have been suspended I'd be open to hearing it.
   11. Sometimes it Rains (sj) Posted: May 10, 2008 at 09:46 PM (#2776379)
Nah, if you want to suspend Farnsworth, thats fine.

Comparing this to the Sheffield "incident" is what I find hilarious. The only thing they had in common was two teams on the field, it didn't involve a batter and a pitcher, he wasn't suspended, there was no appeal, it never went to an arbitor. Other than all those things, it was exactly the same.

Many, many Boston people feel the fan was out of line. I am not going to look them up, but check the Boston Dirt Dogs archives.
   12. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: May 10, 2008 at 10:29 PM (#2776426)
Many, many Boston people feel the fan was out of line. I am not going to look them up, but check the Boston Dirt Dogs archives.


The fan was out of line. I can't imagine anyone arguing otherwise. He deserved to get tossed and, I believe, have his season ticket yanked.

But Sheffield's reaction, while understandable, was inappropriate. It warranted some kind of penalty from MLB, however minimal.
   13. Darren Posted: May 10, 2008 at 10:46 PM (#2776436)
If the people on Boston Dirt Dogs thought so, then it must be true.
   14. Sometimes it Rains (sj) Posted: May 10, 2008 at 11:32 PM (#2776461)
exactly. But in there post, they had links to many similar reactions.

Sheffield pushed a fan who hit him in the face. Any fine over $1 would have been too much.
   15. IronChef Chris Wok Posted: May 11, 2008 at 12:00 AM (#2776471)
They should have put that fan in a steel cage with Gary.
   16. Darren Posted: May 11, 2008 at 12:02 AM (#2776473)
Sheffield was in no danger from the fan when he did that and he could not possibly have seen how the fan came to hit him, as he was looking at the ball when it happened. For all he knew, the fan could have been shoved into him. Sheffield's actions are exactly the kind of behavior the MLB should be doing everything in its power to discourage. You do not want players going after fans who pose no danger to them, regardless of the situation.
   17. Vaux, A.B.D. Posted: May 11, 2008 at 12:14 AM (#2776479)
It's not like fans are staying away from the ballpark.
   18. kevin Posted: May 11, 2008 at 12:21 AM (#2776482)
Sheffield pushed a fan who hit him in the face.


sj, for Christ's sake, will you at least state the facts correctly?

Sheffield was not hit in the face. That is laughably inaccurate. A fan waved at a ball that was in play, and may have distracted/interfered with Sheffield cleanly fielding the ball.

Criminy, that isn't even close to being forgivably misremembered.
   19. Sometimes it Rains (sj) Posted: May 11, 2008 at 01:17 AM (#2776499)
Sheffield says he felt something hit his mouth, and he certainly reacted like he was hit in the mouth.

This is what Curt Schilling said of the incident.

"I'm not sure who was watching what. Anybody with two eyes and good vision can see that he was watching the ball the whole way. He got hit in the side of the head and he reacted. He reacted probably calmer than a lot of people might have, calmer than a lot of people have in the past."
   20. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: May 11, 2008 at 01:22 AM (#2776502)
Sheffield was not hit in the face. That is laughably inaccurate. A fan waved at a ball that was in play, and may have distracted/interfered with Sheffield cleanly fielding the ball.


Kevin, that's not true. The fan most definitely made contact with Sheffield, and, I think, drew blood. I do agree that he appeared to be waving at the ball, but it was out of line regardless.

But just because the fan does something stupid should not give Sheffield the opportunity to respond poorly. And despite what some fans were saying at the time, it is by no means automatic. Reggie Sanders got hit in the back with Thundersticks in the World Series, and managed to restrain himself from a physical response.

As Darren states, Sheffield was in no danger when he returned to shove the fan, who, luckily though by no means was it guaranteed, was the same fan who made contact.

The NFL suspended Orlando Brown when he shoved the ref who hit him in the eye with the flag. The NBA suspended Antonio Davis when he walked into the stands when his wife was in a dispute with fans. In both those cases, the player's response was completely understandable. Yet those leagues determined that it had a responsibility to protect its officials and fans, regardless if the player's actions were understandable.

MLB, in contrast, ruled that if a fan makes contact with you, the player gets one free shot. That's not a particularly sound policy, in my opinion.
   21. ian Posted: May 11, 2008 at 01:22 AM (#2776503)
Yes, they should have just dropped Farnsworth's suspension all-together. He may be nutty, and quick to confront someone physically, but throwing a fastball at someone's head is far beyond anything Farnsworth has ever been a part of, and he deserves the benefit of the doubt considering how wild of a pitcher he's proven to be.
   22. kevin Posted: May 11, 2008 at 01:27 AM (#2776505)
Sheffield says he felt something hit his mouth, and he certainly reacted like he was hit in the mouth.


Well, Sheffield is also a whackjob so what does that mean?
   23. kevin Posted: May 11, 2008 at 01:27 AM (#2776506)
I'm trying to find a replay of it on the web but can't find it.
   24. Sometimes it Rains (sj) Posted: May 11, 2008 at 01:37 AM (#2776507)
I was simply stating these two situations were not analagous at all. Farnsworth should have been, and was suspended. A one game suspension is still a one game suspension.

It doesn't matter if there is video of the incident, it doesn't matter what Curt Schilling said. These events are only related in the mind of someone who is predetermined to cry "injustice."
   25. kevin Posted: May 11, 2008 at 01:40 AM (#2776510)
I was simply stating these two situations were not analagous at all.


Well, I do agree with that.
   26. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: May 11, 2008 at 01:48 AM (#2776511)
I was simply stating these two situations were not analagous at all.


I'm with you there.
   27. CFiJ Posted: May 11, 2008 at 04:53 AM (#2776529)
What happened to the old theads on the Sheffield incident? I did some searches but came up with nothing...
   28. Darren Posted: May 11, 2008 at 08:03 AM (#2776536)
I don't know what analogy you think I was trying to make. I was only saying that in both cases a Yankees player got essentially no disciplinary action when they should have.
   29. Guapo Posted: May 11, 2008 at 09:24 AM (#2776550)
Darren's arguments are convincing. Sheffield should be suspended for today's game.
   30. kevin Posted: May 11, 2008 at 09:58 AM (#2776565)
Be patient with Darren. He's having a bad week.
   31. Charter Member of the Jesus Melendez Fanclub Posted: May 12, 2008 at 04:38 PM (#2777998)
What happened to the old theads on the Sheffield incident? I did some searches but came up with nothing...

They were destroyed and the search function was rendered useless as part of the continuing upgrades to this site. All hail Furtado.
   32. Esoteric roots for the two worst teams in baseball Posted: May 12, 2008 at 04:44 PM (#2778007)
Admit it kevin: you're the guy who hit Sheffield in the mouth.

C'mon now, there's no shame in it.
   33. Darren Posted: May 22, 2008 at 10:00 PM (#2791466)
LaTroy Hawkins got a 3 game suspension today for throwing at a batter's head, and immediately appealed, so that he can have it reduced to nothing. A little odd that Joe Girardi's pitchers have now been suspended for throwing at guys' heads on two separate occasions, but Girardi has not been disciplined.
   34. Sane Joe Bivens, Permanent Guardian Posted: May 22, 2008 at 10:08 PM (#2791471)
Yes, the fan drew blood from Sheffield, and Sheffield head butted the fan into the third row.

No. No blood, no head butt. The ass hole fan was ejected and had his season tickets revoked, and nothing happened to Sheff. Those decisions were both correct, IMO.
   35. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: May 22, 2008 at 10:14 PM (#2791476)
No. No blood, no head butt. The ass hole fan was ejected and had his season tickets revoked, and nothing happened to Sheff. Those decisions were both correct, IMO.


And if Sheffield had heat-butted the fan into a pregnant lady in the third row. Or a kid.

Sheffield got lucky that A) he picked out the right fan, and B) the fan he shoved didn't result in someone else getting hurt or causing other drunken idiots to escalate it further.

Sorry, but the "He started it defense" didn't work well with my elementary school principal, and shouldn't have worked with Bud Selig.
   36. Sane Joe Bivens, Permanent Guardian Posted: May 22, 2008 at 10:57 PM (#2791503)
Sheffield reacted like most people would have given the same provocation. But there's a long thread about the incident in the archives. I'll let that stand.
   37. kevin Posted: May 23, 2008 at 10:03 AM (#2791728)
Sheffield got lucky that A) he picked out the right fan, and B) the fan he shoved didn't result in someone else getting hurt or causing other drunken idiots to escalate it further.


Well, he did knock beer all over the women sitting adjacent to the offending fan. He acted like a horse's ass, if you ask me. But, of course, you're not asking me.
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