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Can I find team assignments yet? Minorleaguebaseball.com doesn't seem to be accurate, with lots of guys still in short-season ball. Although they do list Josh Reddick in Portland, which would be interesting.
Assignments have not been fully announced yet, though SoxProspects.com has been leaking some news here and there. The starting pitching at Portland could be very interesting in April/May, though the weather will be interesting too. Masterson, Bowden, Kris Johnson - maybe Richardson?
Jon Eagen apparently retired, which resolves the question if that was a better pick than Teagarden (iirc, Teagarden was the well known college C, with Eagen being the Rob English pick that the Sox took just prior to Teagarden). I don't think it is usually fair to criticize teams draft picks with hyper sensitivity - after all, every usually makes the same mistake unless we are talking about first or second picks) - but I think it warranted here.
The IF in Pawtuckett, too, could be historically awful defensively - or people may see that minor league defense can really be improved (or prior reports can easily be wrong and repeated): Natale at 2B and Lowrie at SS? The Globe reports, too, that Moss will see significant time at 1B (we are reminded, too, how little control ML teams have over playing time decisions in winter leagues: Moss played only one game at 1B this winter because his team did not have enough OFers).
Will Middlebrooks did not make a team out of Spring Training. So you will either see him in Lowell, the GCL, or Greenville in a couple of months.
Some other draftees that should be in Greenville to start the season:
Hagadone (I personally disagree with this)
Mailman
Rizzo
Austin Bailey (good sign)
Dan Bard will be there too.
Jason Place should be in Lancaster to start the season. I'm a little down on him right now, but not because of performance-related issues.
He has some maturity issues.
This could go either way. It might be one of the worst player in MLB history, or one of the best.
Egan retired this year to become a roofer.
Luis Soto, Theo's first Dominican bonus baby, was released during spring training.
Players to watch in Greenville:
Anthony Rizzo: Lars with less fanfare. He doesn't have the name or the installed cult following, but the kid can mash and he's more athletic than Lars. This is also going to be his age 18 season; so he's extremely young for the level.
Austin Bailey: Bonus baby signed in the late rounds last year.
Che-Hsuan Lin: Toolsy Taiwaness outfielder. Probably a little slept on my most Sox prospect hounds, but that will change after this season.
Nick Hagadone: I still think they should challenge him a little more. He's in Greenville to work on his changeup, but hopefully we see him in Lancaster by June.
David Mailman: A more athletic Rizzo with less power. Interesting guy to follow.
Jose Alvarez: Only 18, Alvarez doesn't have a tremendously high ceiling, but he's performed everywhere the Sox have sent him.
Chih-Hsien Chiang will be starting the year off in Lancaster. This will give the high-A team 6 players in the starting lineup who are 21 or under: Place, Anderson, Chiang, Engel, Diaz, Sheely/Reddick. The Lancaster pitching staff will be thin however. I'd keep an eye on Adam Mills there. He's a control-artist with good sink on his fastball. He will probably end the season in Portland. Mills is most likely a future middle reliever.
Above high-A, it's pretty standard fare: pay attention to Masterson, Lowrie, and Bowden. Kris Johnson, Dustin Richardson, Mark Wagner, and Aaron Bates bare some watching as well.
Also, check out the list of players to appear on the 2005 Portland Sea Dogs:
Jon Lester
Jon Papelbon
Anibal Sanchez
Dustin Pedroia
Hanley Ramirez
Brandon Moss
David Murphy
Manny Delcarmen
You'll hear a lot of Alex Gonzalez comparisons, because they're both flashy and Venezuelan. They put up comparable OPS's at age 20, but Gonzalez did it in the Eastern League and Diaz did it in the SAL. Big difference. Gonzalez then spent his age 21 season more than holding his own in triple-A. Even Diaz's performance in the HWL (.358/.421/.443) seems BABIP-aided. It's still going to be hard to make a judgment about him after this year (Lancaster effect) unless he plays a significant amount of time in the Eastern League. Which actually seems like a possibility.
Che-Hsuan Lin: Toolsy Taiwaness outfielder. Probably a little slept on my most Sox prospect hounds, but that will change after this season.
Lin looked GREAT at the Olympic Qualifiers. Displayed some range and athleticism in center. Has some work to do with laying off bad pitches, but he drove the ball to all fields and didn't look overmatched against some reasonable pitching.
Chiang was pretty terrible though. Had a terrible defensive stretch, and swung at everything.
From looking at Soxprospects.com, it appears that they plan to send a bunch of old, non-prospects to Lancaster this year (though I like Mills). Is it possible that they've decided that with just one more year there, they don't want to subject any of their better pitchers to that launching pad?
If so, it would make sense that they would stash Hagadone in Greenville. If he's ridiculously good, they can jump in to AA. If he's just good (or worse), he can stay in Greenville and quickly move up to AA/AAA in 09.
I'll get you for that, RB! I'll get you if it's the last thing I do!
You got to be shitting me, Temple. Is this really true??
I hope that's not the approach they are taking. SoxProspects received anecdotal reports last year from Lancaster season ticket holders that, consistent with what has been true in Lancaster, pitchers such as Justin Masterson and Kris Johnson not only developed their physical tools last year, but they also developed their mental toughness. I actually believe that getting tagged in Lancaster is good for a prospects development, because:
1. Success can be had there. It's very hard, but we've seen it done. Lancaster forces you to make the necessary adjustments and pitch down in the zone.
2. Pitchers learn to worry about only the things they can control. The other day, I was listening to Orel Herchiser talk about the difference between pitching the NL and AL. The main difference he said, is that in the AL, it's inevitable that there will be nights where you get beaten around and there's nothing you can do about it. The pitchers who can bounce back from this right away, he said, are the pitchers who succeed in the AL. I truly think Lancaster allows pitchers to progress their mental development far beyond where most young pitchers are. This is backed up by several posters at SoxProspects who mentioned that Kris Johnson and Justin Masterson specifically, showed improved ability to bounce back from bad innings and bad starts last year.
3. The pitchers who don't make it in Lancaster probably don't have the mental fortuity to thrive in MLB or Boston anyway.
If Boston's high-A franchise were someplace other than Lancaster, I'd agree. But with Hagadone working on his offspeed stuff, I think this is a wise choice - in fact, I could see circumstances evolving to the point where Hagadone would go right from Greenville to Portland. The Cal League isn't the place for someone who needs to sharpen his secondary pitches.
-- MWE
EDIT: I posted this before I read #21. I take the point, but from what I've read and heard Hagadone's secondary offerings aren't as well-developed as either Masterson's or Johnson's were a year ago, and he wasn't quite as dominant at Lowell as either of the other two.
One problem, I'd guess, is to what degree Lancaster is quantitatively different, and to what degree it's qualitatively different. That is, if pitching in Lancaster just means, like in the AL, that more of your bad pitches will get hit and even some of your good pitches will too, and so you have to learn toughness, that's less of a problem. If pitching in Lancaster means that your curveball doesn't break correctly so you have to start overthrowing or can't work on your best secondary offering, then that's a big problem.
It also seems like you could develop bad habits - pitching in a way that brings success in Lancaster might not be the best way to pitch elsewhere - if you have a good four-seamer that in normal settings is a good strikeout / flyball pitch, but in Lancaster is too often a HR pitch, you probably wouldn't get the opportunity to work on it in Lancaster like you should.
Further, there's the pitch count problem. The harder the park is on pitchers, the greater likelihood of high pitch count innings and such.
Basically, I think it's really stupid that the Red Sox have Lancaster as their A-ball affiliate, and we know that the Red Sox are only in Lancaster because they got kicked out of Wilmington and had no backup plan. It seems most likely that they will try to get out of Lancaster as soon as they can - I've heard nothing from the organization suggesting they're happy to be there. Keeping their best prospects out of such an extreme environment doesn't trouble me much at all.
They didn't exactly get "kicked out" of Wilmington - the Royals swooped in and made an offer that the Blue Rocks felt they couldn't refuse, and that set off a game of musical chairs which left Boston without a chair when the music stopped.
-- MWE
Whether I agree with you or not isn't important, since it appears that the Red Sox share your sentiments. Prior to the last year, a typical development path would have had the Sox placing Hagadone in high-A. So it appears Lancaster is affecting the decisions the Sox make w/r/t advancement.
The Sox purchased the Salem team in the Carolina League and will be moving there next year. Not only did they want out, they wanted out enough to reach into their pockets and not just wait for another round of affiliate musical chairs.
Never mind, it's Beckett.
DFA'ing is good, of course, but this team really seems to drag these things out. It's like they spent the last 3-4 games getting their worst relievers into the game as often as possible so they could audtion them. It's not worth it.
Thanks to ForeverRed9 at SP.com.
(Darren, do you feel like the gun in New Britain is generally accurate?)
Who goes next? I've got either Corey or Lopez in my pool.
Jon Still went 3/4 with 2 homeruns for Lancaster. That gives him 4 homeruns on the year. He's got a decent .333/.524/1.133 (1.657 OPS) line for his first 20 PA's.
Kris Johnson made his first double-A start and had a decent outing: 4.1 IP, 5 H, 2 ER, 3/1 K/BB. He was pulled because he was on a pitch count.
Holy ####. Cue the confetti.
Reid Engel- 3/3, BB
Are there broader implications of this deal beyond simply picking up a guy with a good arm? Is this an indication that Theo is concerned about the bullpen, or is it just a case of "You can never have too much pitching" even if it's 27-year-old minor league pitching?
Perhaps no more so than in 2005, when the Red Sox, with two first-round picks and three sandwich picks between the first and second rounds, selected Ellsbury, pitcher Craig Hansen, Buchholz, Lowrie and Bowden. Though Hansen has struggled, he remains with the organization and the Sox are hopeful he will find his way.
As good as that draft sounds, it could have been even better. Though seven Sox prospects are on BA’s current Top 100 list, there is another highly touted rookie whom the Sox nearly grabbed. Instead, they went in a different direction and selected a player who no longer is with the organization.
Edit: Also, Shaugnessy's son plays for BC, so feel free to heckle him.
If he's around at #30, he'd be a great pick for the Red Sox.
-- MWE
Have you seen Reese Havens play, Mike? The Sox have a fascination with him that dates back to his senior year in high school. I would think they would be eager to draft him if he gets there (which I would have no problem with). There's talk about converting him to catcher, too.
No. I wasn't able to get to the NCAA games last year.
Havens will almost certainly be available at #30. Most charts I've seen have him pegged at somewhere around the middle of the supplemental round. Posey's probably gone by then; I've seen him at anywhere from top-10 to around 25. I could see Oakland grabbing him at 12.
-- MWE
If I heckle the son (and I am tempted to even though I know it's wrong), the old man might blow a gasket and come after me.
What about the Friday starter for FSU, Elih Villanueva?
-- MWE
They need guys with good arms and minor-league options. Corey, Lopez, Aardsma, and the recently-DFA'ed Snyder are all out of options.
Good point, vi. I hadn't considered that. I fear Corey may not be long for this team; he's pitched rather poorly since his first couple appearances.
Daniel Haigwood, once a top 10 prospect in the Rangers org, threw four shutout innings in Portland, with seven Ks and no walks.
Adam Mills, a college stat fave, gave up one run in five innings for Lancaster, with four Ks and a walk.
Hansen: 6 IP, 1 H, 0.00 ERA, 8/3 K/BB, 73% GB%
Bard: 5 IP, 4 H, 0.00 ERA, 7/1 K/BB, 80% GB%
Jeff Natale hitting a fun .231/.524/.462 with 6 walks and 0 strikeouts.
This is the second Shaughnessy that has displayed at least a respectable amount of athletic ability. I can't imagine someone with a similar genetic complement as CHB being anything other than a complete dork.
You'd think he should be starting tonight, with a lefty going for Detroit. Did the move just get made too late?
EDIT: Obviously it isn't cool that Lowell is DL'd, but that move was obvious from the injury. So, the Sox chose to call up their best positional prospect. I like that. Similar to how they called up Ellsbury last summer even though he might not have fit the needs of the team as well as Moss.
And you're correct; he's being DFA today, with Timlin being activated.
No word on Snyder landing with another team. He was DFA on April 5, which means (a) he has passed through waivers by now, and (b) there's still something like 4 days before they have to do something - trade, release, whatever. I can't imagine Snyder being so valuable that a team would trade anything, or even pay the waiver fee, to ensure they get him. If anyone wants him - or if he wants to go anywhere else - we'll probably hear next week.
I wasn't referring to just his talent. It was more that the Red Sox are confident that he will crack the lineup and won't be using up all his options.
And Dan Bard threw two more perfect innings, with 3 Ks last night. I wonder how soon the Sox think about stretching him out. I'd wait a while, even if he keeps this up, given the nearly Blass-level problems he had last year.
I think the real question - if he keeps this up for a while - is how do they challenge him? Pumping 95 mph fastballs by lo-A hitters should get old for him relatively quickly. Can they send him back to Lancaster the site of his meltdown? I guess that would be the conquer your fears head on approach. Would they "reward" him for his meltdown (and quality pitching) and skip him up to AA?
Beats me, but if he's in the Greenville bullpen racking up big numbers in July, then that might be an indicator that the Sox aren't really on board with his mental toughness and would suggest that he'd be a "sell high/can't handle Boston" trade deadline candidate.
I think this makes sense from the trade bait angle as well. Hypothetically speaking, what are other teams more likely to be impressed by? Bard having success at a higher level after a rapid promotion (He's shooting through the system), or Bard having success at a lower level where he once struggled (He's conquered his demons)? I think the former is an easier sales pitch to make.
And to follow up my own post - he's accepted an assignment in Pawtucket.
Hansen might be ready for another go-around the bigs, if Aardsma or one of the other back-of-the pen guys falters badly.
Edit: WTF Chiang, he made 3 errors the other day. He's like the Asian Lugo
-- MWE
Che-Hsuan Lin (19 years old, low-A)- .293/.396/.439, 5/6 BB/K ratio. He's probably the highest ceilinged outfielder centerfielder in the system. Lin is a magician defensively, and he's impressed with the bat early on. If you had to pick a guy from outside the Sox top 10 to jump in the top 5 this year, this would be him.
Anthony Rizzo - (18 years old, low-A)- The list of players in low-A who are 18 years old or younger and have an OPS of .700 or over are as follows for the last 4 years (Thanks Hairps):
Carlos Triunfel (17)
Chris Marrero
Billy Rowell
Fernando Martinez (17)
Jose Tabata (17)
Justin Upton
Daric Barton
Delmon Young
Adam Jones
Rizzo is the rare high school draftee who plays his first full season of ball in his age 18 season. Right now he has a .366/.409/.439 line in 41 AB's with a 2/6 BB/K ratio. Not much power or patience, but it's a very impressive when considering his age. He doesn't have a ton of pedigree, but he was a 2nd-3rd round talent last year, who slipped because of bonus demands. Rizzo is an athletic 1B, but is still a 1B. He's someone to watch.
George Kottaras - .270/.341/.622, 4/6 BB/K. Seems like he might be able to step up next year in a back up or split time with Varitek.
I suspect the question we'll be asking as we get closer to the end of the year will be "Can he step up and be the starter?"
-- MWE
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