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I can't remember one they came out on top of.
Easy...the Benitez fight in, IIRC, 1996.
But the larger point, that the Yankees have been big pussies in the post-dynasty era, is partially true. I'd have beaned Ortiz years ago.
My goodness you are exceedingly groan enducing.
Anyway, it very well could have happened, I would just like youtube confirmation, or confirmation from another, nonkevin source.
But the larger point, that the Yankees have been big pussies in the post-dynasty era
There's you answer, McNally.
Did anyone lose the Pedro gets shelled and throws at Garcia's head playoff game fight? Don Zimmer, but he is 100.
Here is the thing, nobody ###### with the Yankees when Straw was around, straw will hit a ############ in front of his momma. Straw was a crazy, arthur rhodes hitting mother ######. We could use a little straw.
hahahahhaaaahahhahahaaaaa
wait are you serious?
are you out of your mind?
the yankees lost all aspects of that brawl
No he didn't.
After the faceshove, it was basically a sumo scrum, advantage nobody.
Kevin's no Madeliene Albright.
But I do remember seeing it on ESPN and Smith just sent ballistic on Posada. I think Posada was surprised at Smith's response. I don't really think he was expecting a fight.
wait are you serious?
are you out of your mind?
No, I'm just correct, while you've been brainwashed by two years of media Red Sox ballwashing and Jimmy Fallon movies.
The Yankees lost the only thing that matters, which is the game. Saying Varitek somehow won that fight is beyond stupid.
Yeah but he couldn't do anything else with him. Tek was on the verge of lifting A-Rod up off the ground and bodyslamming him. If nobody intervened, I have no doubt Tek would have gotten the best of him. A-Rod is nobody's idea of a brawler.
Sorry, but I just don't see that. Tek tried to take him down, and was unable too. A-Rod could quite easily lock down on that position. Also, I'm sure that in terms of brute size and strength, A-Rod has a huge advantage. I have no idea if he's a "brawler" or not.
Why should I respond to something that's so patently silly?
Dude.
If you want to talk about who is the better player, fine. Just don't limit the discussion to the merits of your guy to the exclusion of everything else.
Um okay, whatever.
76. Johnny Hot Tub (SJ!) Posted: August 02, 2006 at 02:25 PM (#2123407)
Yeah, Posada is much better at blocking the plate this year. Still far behind Varitek though.
I think that was the only area that Varitek was better than Posada, skills wise.
I suppose "everything else" is exclusionary.
I already said Posada has bad hands, a critical defiency in a catcher. That just went right over your head, like you just ignored it.
i havent seen fever pitch (or Taxi). My opinion of the brawl has not changed once in the 2 years since then. A-rod's lucky the mob swarmed.
???
Varitek goes 240.
SJ: How dare you ignore this pronouncement from Kevin! Posada has bad hands. And remember, Kevin also pronounced that he values defense in catching a great deal. In fact, he values it directly proportional to the inability of the Red Sox catcher to hit.
Is that Manny's workout regimen, or Big Steroid's?
Are you the biggest idiot ever? Do you have anything to add other than this stupidity? Why don't you try and respond to the points made in #...?
I also think his plate blocking technique of dropping the leg just as the runner slides is borderline dirty as it could cause an injury to the runner. I'm surprised that this has not yet been addressed by opposing players. I suspect that payback may be forthcoming to a now vulnerable knee.
It's silly that Posada's a more valuable offensive player? Call Warner Wolffe, and let's go to the video tape:
Stat Posada 'Tek Edge
Games 1145 965 JP
At Bats 3843 3178 JP
AVG .269 .272 JV
OBP .375 .350 JP
SLG .469 .456 JP
OPS+ 121 107 JP
RC/27 6.12 5.54 JV</pre>
Now of course, I'm cherry-picking random stats that no one uses, right? Also, for reference, this is from BB-Ref, so its only through 2005 and leaving out Posada's above average 2006 and Varitek's mediocre year.
I think Varitek's knee is much more vulnerable to damage due to his tremendous bodunkadunk and less so to scoring runners.
Now cherrypick passed balls, McNally.
Well, I'm not sure how passed balls is a measure of a guy's offensive production, but here we go...
Varitek - 88 PB in 5794 innings
Posada - 97 PB in 6828 innings (0.0142062 per inning)
For those without a slide rule, Jorge actually has fewer passed balls per inning than Varitek, although statistically its a wash. Posada has 0.0142062 per inning, while Varitek has 0.0151881 per inning.
I'm too lazy to count up team wild pitches for the past nine seasons, but I'd guess that's a virtual wash too.
This only works when you're replying to someone who's not argued anything substantive, as I have, and when you yourself are not talking out of your ass, but you are. Your assertion about Posada's hands is simply that: an assertion by an exceedingly biased observer who's never shown the ability to be discriminating on things "Red Sox". (See your vast over-evaluation of Pedroia, among many other such reaches.)
Nearly everyone here, including Sean, has the ability to concede points, much as SJ did above (twice). We're waiting for you to be so objective before we accept your assfart pronouncement as anything more than that.
Great analysis there.
Look out everybody, the Yankees may actually win 95 games with their huge resources.
Right. This is certainly substantive:
Is that Manny's workout regimen, or Big Steroid's?
And this:
It's about time for Kevin to boast of his leg-pressing prowess. He's resorted to talking about who fights better. Here we go again.
Is that some kind of sexual innuendo?
Ahh, the sweet smell of Yankees-Lite being cranky about spending money. When do you make your claim on Lieberthal or Javy Lopez.
If you want to go through his game logs, be my guest. You just asked about passed balls and I delivered. A simple "thank you" would have been too much?
The better the fans, the huger the resources.
There's got to be a better use for your time, such as actually adding some content to Count the Ring$$$$$$$$ (see I changed it to dollar signs to indicate the money the Yanks spend ha ha, I'm hilarious). Do you know that when that blog (and others) started, people on Sox Therapy started giving me #### about how they were jealous of how much good, quality stuff was being posted there, as compared to Sox Therapy (and I agreed). And now, after a couple of incredibly hot months, you've had three threads since May. No analysis of the deadline deals? No opinions on the emergence of Melky? Must be too busy debating whether Mirabelli's a .650 (OPS) hitter or .750.
You don't have to go through all that trouble. It's common knowledge that Mirabelli has been Wakefield's personal catcher since coming over. So, all you have to do is find out when Mirabelli joined the Red Sox and go from there.
Tek's passed balls/162:
1998-38.88
1999-28.93
2000-17.72
2001-Mirabelli joins team
2001-9.72
2002-12.76
2003-7.09
2004-6.23
2005-8.72
2006-1.98
McNally, don't you think it's just a wee bit disingenous to include the 3 years Varitek had to catch the knuckleball, when he accrued 64% of his passed balls?
You see pg 1. If you had, you might have noticed I said Posada was a good hitter on that page, and might have considered the fact the subsequent discussion was about defensive skills, and that I ignored sj's comment about Posada's hitting because it was not a topic of controversy, but merely a diversionary tactic to steer the conversation away from Posada's weaknesses and towards his strengths.
Touche... I stink.
That's about double what Tek has been allowing the last 6 years
Well now I feel like a jerk.
Varitek's AB/OPS, Month by Month:
Apr--72/720
May--74/748
Jun--80/713
Jul--78/787
Big boost from June to July
Here is Mirabelli:
Apr--22/535
May--26/472
Jun--26/462
July-28/844
Kev is right, in a few at bats, any damn thing is possible. But over 6 weeks? Playing full time? I don't see it.
As I say, with a race this close, even a one to two game downgrade could mean no playoffs.
This year, he is allowing 20.48 passed balls/162, which is considerably below his career norm.
SG's RLYW is just so good, and everyone who would read CTR would read this, it is sort of pointless.
I respect what Sox Therapy has done, and continues to do. although I see Sox Therapy as a group of Red Sox postings, not a Sox fans only sort of thing, that is what SOSH is.
You know, when a catcher has a name like Corky, you naturally assume he's one of these "hustle every minute, defensive specialist" types. But he has to be a really bad catcher when a guy with a .485 OPS in AAA ball is promoted in front of him.
Darren is right. You guys have been in hiding all year, and only come out to gloat when things are finally starting to go well.
The site sort of split in two, and I sided with the lounge islanders.
I can't speak for SJ, but this has been the first time in a looooong time where I haven't been slammed at work. Damned transportation issues.
The island of misfit toys?
Geez, what a coincidence. The Yankees tie for first on the same day that McNally's workload decreases. On the first of August, no less.
I work in Washington, what do you want from me?
Lower taxes, better services, world peace and cold beer. Hop to.
I have a complete play-by-play database from 1974-2005 on my computer.
And a pony.
When are we going to get that beer?
You're grammer is teh suck.
You don't like "In stopped in?" I like it. It reminds me of "Live and Let Die."
"And in this ever-changing world, in which we live in..." That's great stuff.
I sure hope so. I like RLYW, but I don't like the tiny little window for comments. Grumpy, you've got to change that.
You're grammer is teh suck.
I worked until 1am last night and had to wake up at 5am to catch a bus for a job interview in Harrisburg at 1pm. And then had to wait around for a bus to go home. And it was 100 degrees, and felt like 110. A a ####### security guard wouldn't let me nap in the food court in the morning.
So cut me some slack.
I suppose I could just use the Blogger commenting system, though I like the IP banning Haloscan offers.
What about throwing out baserunners? That's a wash at best, and this year Posada has been way better, something I really think he has improved.
Darren is right. You guys have been in hiding all year, and only come out to gloat when things are finally starting to go well.
Well, the Big Papi thread after his walk off got a lot of play too from non-Sox fans. A giving credit where credit is due kind of thing.
So it is not just schadenfreude that draws people.
There should be a ":00 " after "1" and "5." There's no subject in the second sentence. You put too many "a's" at the beginning of the third sentence.
Email or IM SG or me next time that happens. We'll ban them.
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