Yes, it was luck of the draw that CW was a werewolf. I felt kind of bad for making all those “CW is always the werewolf” jokes beforehand, but maybe they actually made him seem less suspicious.
I can’t speak for CW but my guess, Daryn, is that as long as the seer is alive no one can be sure he’s the seer. Once he’s dead and confirmed as a seer his statements have to be considered nearly infallible.
HCO, Transgressive Herbivore - 29 January 2012 10:56 PM
I can’t speak for CW but my guess, Daryn, is that as long as the seer is alive no one can be sure he’s the seer. Once he’s dead and confirmed as a seer his statements have to be considered nearly infallible.
But his guesses to date had not hurt the werewolf much. Accent and Bourbon would have been left with deciding between CW, JLAC and me. I think CW had a fighting chance if he had killed Flounder. JLAC’s vote to kill Flounder was so non-sensical, I think he would have gone next. Then you kill Accent or Bourbon and try and convince the other that my game was an elaborate ruse.
CW, I liked your game play until that last choice. I have never been a werewolf in the 6 or so games I have played in my life, but it looks hard.
As I told HCO, I was certain Flounder was the “correct” move, I just didn’t see it helping me win. So I decided to do something unpredictable and see if someone else would screw up. I was also hoping Flounder would choose to peek JLAC instead of me, based on his voting.
As for the random number idea, I thought it was a good idea on its merits for the villagers, and feel like it helps to be honest SOMETIMES if you’re the wolf.
Flounder: Avowed enemy of inconvenience - 29 January 2012 11:45 PM
Daryn - 29 January 2012 11:30 PM
CW, I liked your game play until that last choice. I have never been a werewolf in the 6 or so games I have played in my life, but it looks hard.
Being a wolf is much much harder than being a villager, imo.
Daryn, why did you pick scotto?
And I admitted it when I signed up, but this was not my first internet werewolf game. Just the first one on this site.
re scotto: As everyone noted, we don’t have much to go on on the first day. So I basically read each post to determine if someone said something illogical. First, I didn’t agree with JGLB that his plan was werewolf-neutral, so he was my first suspect—he appeared to be acting against his stated interest.
Similarly, when scotto voted for me, he did so after summarizing everyone’s conduct in a way that would make me an unlikely choice as a werewolf. So not only was that not logical and therefore suspicious (I digress here to note that I deem illogical=suspicious because I think the lack of logic demonstrates someone trying to hide their true motivations, not a lack of facility for logic), it was unnecessary for him to explain his vote at that time. There was a groundswell against me, no real reason that I was a bad choice to execute; it would make sense just to vote me out and see what happened.
A coincidental benefit was that no one had voted for scotto. That increased the apparent bona fides of my position—there was no tactical advantage to picking scotto.
Most people are bad liars. It is literally my day job about three days a week to try to determine whether people are lying and then demonstrate to others why I think they are lying—so werewolf is right up my alley. CW is a very good liar, which I say with admiration. That said, it is much easier to be a good liar online when you can think about your response than in person.
JGLB, Future King of a Future State - 30 January 2012 10:36 AM
CW hits the pinata for the candy - 29 January 2012 11:36 PM
Also, I was utterly convinced JGLB was the seer until the following morning.
Assuming I was the seer, you would have to assume I peeked you/JLAC first. Did you think my vote to kill Accent was me trying to keep a low profile?
I know CW’s rep as a player, but I didn’t know JLAC’s other than his three or four references on Day One about how great a player he was and that any werewolf would be smart to kill him off right away. I thought that was really weird because 1) I didn’t know he was good at the game, 2) even if he was, that was a weird strategy both interpersonally and game-wise and 3) in this game he didn’t seem interested in helping the humans. As a result, I was suspicious of JLAC the whole game.
That said, it is much easier to be a good liar online when you can think about your response than in person.
Maybe. But after you spend an hour thinking up your response, others get the entire rest of the game - 72 hours? - to parse your response and look for inconsistencies. Spoken mistakes are a lot easier to cover up than written ones.
HCO, Transgressive Herbivore - 30 January 2012 10:58 AM
Daryn - 30 January 2012 10:43 AM
That said, it is much easier to be a good liar online when you can think about your response than in person.
Maybe. But after you spend an hour thinking up your response, others get the entire rest of the game - 72 hours? - to parse your response and look for inconsistencies. Spoken mistakes are a lot easier to cover up than written ones.
I disagree. In person, a werewolf has the false crutch of saying “I didn’t say that”, but it is a completely false crutch. Once someone starts denying they said something, that is a pretty big tell. And since an in-person werewolf game typically only takes about half an hour, it is not hard to remember what people said. It only takes two people to remember enough to prove that the werewolf is lying to sink him/her.
Keep in mind, I am speaking form virtual ignorance—I have played werewolf two or three times online and three times in person.
I really enjoyed re-reading my first ever game—the first game on the old werewolf thread—in which CW and I busted Paul D and meatwad, though we didn’t know we were working together until the last day.
You may be right about outright lies. But what about illogic? I still think there are fallacies that fly in speech but not in writing, as in “when did you stop beating your wife?” In speech you and I can come up with some tangled web of logic that proves CW must be a werewolf, and it might hold long enough to get the votes. But in 12 hours someone can pick it apart.
Flounder: Avowed enemy of inconvenience - 29 January 2012 11:45 PM
Daryn - 29 January 2012 11:30 PM
CW, I liked your game play until that last choice. I have never been a werewolf in the 6 or so games I have played in my life, but it looks hard.
Being a wolf is much much harder than being a villager, imo.
Daryn, why did you pick scotto?
And I admitted it when I signed up, but this was not my first internet werewolf game. Just the first one on this site.
re scotto: As everyone noted, we don’t have much to go on on the first day. So I basically read each post to determine if someone said something illogical. First, I didn’t agree with JGLB that his plan was werewolf-neutral, so he was my first suspect—he appeared to be acting against his stated interest.
Similarly, when scotto voted for me, he did so after summarizing everyone’s conduct in a way that would make me an unlikely choice as a werewolf. So not only was that not logical and therefore suspicious (I digress here to note that I deem illogical=suspicious because I think the lack of logic demonstrates someone trying to hide their true motivations, not a lack of facility for logic), it was unnecessary for him to explain his vote at that time. There was a groundswell against me, no real reason that I was a bad choice to execute; it would make sense just to vote me out and see what happened.
A coincidental benefit was that no one had voted for scotto. That increased the apparent bona fides of my position—there was no tactical advantage to picking scotto.
Most people are bad liars. It is literally my day job about three days a week to try to determine whether people are lying and then demonstrate to others why I think they are lying—so werewolf is right up my alley. CW is a very good liar, which I say with admiration. That said, it is much easier to be a good liar online when you can think about your response than in person.
I still remain unconvinced that my strategy is not werewolf neutral.
JGLB—my thinking is that two of the players know that two of the players are not the seer. This would likely skew the results of the combined ordered ranking. That said, we all know that, so you may be right that it is werewolf neutral, but I don’t really see how it helps and since the biggest advantage the villagers have is keeping the seer alive, my inclination would be to talk as little about the seer as possible on the first day (and, frankly, until one werewolf is dead).
JGLB, Future King of a Future State - 30 January 2012 10:36 AM
CW hits the pinata for the candy - 29 January 2012 11:36 PM
Also, I was utterly convinced JGLB was the seer until the following morning.
Assuming I was the seer, you would have to assume I peeked you/JLAC first. Did you think my vote to kill Accent was me trying to keep a low profile?
Well, especially since you SAID that. But I already assumed that there was a higher than average probability of the seer peeking me (I told scotto as much before the game started). So when you started posting stuff like that I suffered from a high amount of confirmation bias and thought that’s what had happened.
