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Lycanthropy Think Factory 2012
Posted: 01 February 2012 08:54 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 851 ]
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CW hits the pinata for the candy - 01 February 2012 07:53 PM

As a help to me - does anyone have any comments about my moderating of the game? I’m particularly interested to hear opinions on the rules changes, most notably the lack of deadlines. (Even if you didn’t play but watched, I’d love to hear it.)

As a lurker your text made me want to be in the next rpg you gm.

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Posted: 01 February 2012 09:48 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 852 ]
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Nice game. I think both sides played pretty well.

I liked what the werewolves did, splitting the votes on the first day. JGLB suggesting the Smelly/Accent combo shortly after Bads was killed, selling out his own brother a little bit, kept him well down the suspicion pole in my eyes since, like I said, I had my eyes dead on Accent when HCO was revealed to be a human upon death.

The first mistake came in killing Daryn over Flounder, but that’s a 20/20 hindsight thing, since I had thought both had about an equal chance of being seer on Day 2. The other thing was not having a plausible story ready to contradict Flounder when he outed himself.  I could see a wolf turn on the other wolf when he’s a lost cause but it didn’t seem believable when all they had to do was get one villager in the discussion. As I had said, I might have been fooled had I been made to chose between Flounder/Smelly vs. Accent/JGLB.

I toyed with the idea of trying to set myself up as a false seer to bait the wolves into eating me, and staying committed to not killing HCO. I chickened out and caved because I had some pre-existing suspicion of Accent I didn’t want to disclose and was scared of the idea of the village wasting a day lynching me as HCO’s confederate if one of the accusers had seen the truth about him.

Posted: 01 February 2012 10:21 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 853 ]

It came down to Daryn/Flounder as seer, but we were too clever by half, and guessed that Daryn saying “that sounds like something a seer would say” about Flounder to be an attempt to deflect attention from himself, rather than an honest guess.

So Daryn bought it, to our detriment.

Posted: 01 February 2012 10:23 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 854 ]
Accent Shallow - 01 February 2012 10:21 PM

It came down to Daryn/Flounder as seer, but we were too clever by half, and guessed that Daryn saying “that sounds like something a seer would say” about Flounder to be an attempt to deflect attention from himself, rather than an honest guess.

So Daryn bought it, to our detriment.

I’m not nearly that clever.

Posted: 01 February 2012 10:32 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 855 ]
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Answer Guy - 01 February 2012 09:48 PM

Nice game. I think both sides played pretty well.

I liked what the werewolves did, splitting the votes on the first day. JGLB suggesting the Smelly/Accent combo shortly after Bads was killed, selling out his own brother a little bit, kept him well down the suspicion pole in my eyes since, like I said, I had my eyes dead on Accent when HCO was revealed to be a human upon death.

The first mistake came in killing Daryn over Flounder, but that’s a 20/20 hindsight thing, since I had thought both had about an equal chance of being seer on Day 2. The other thing was not having a plausible story ready to contradict Flounder when he outed himself.  I could see a wolf turn on the other wolf when he’s a lost cause but it didn’t seem believable when all they had to do was get one villager in the discussion. As I had said, I might have been fooled had I been made to chose between Flounder/Smelly vs. Accent/JGLB.

I toyed with the idea of trying to set myself up as a false seer to bait the wolves into eating me, and staying committed to not killing HCO. I chickened out and caved because I had some pre-existing suspicion of Accent I didn’t want to disclose and was scared of the idea of the village wasting a day lynching me as HCO’s confederate if one of the accusers had seen the truth about him.

I wasn’t prepared for the false seer gambit, that was miscommunication on our part. I expected My fellow werewolf to be a quick vote #2 to bring me to the tree giving us a rough 50/50 on the last day.  Daryn/Flounder was a coin flip for us.

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Posted: 01 February 2012 10:35 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 856 ]

I had no idea until juglub agreed to vote for accent and then didn’t.  HCO being human really shook my resolve.  Now I’ve seen the horror of what mob violence can do.

Posted: 01 February 2012 10:36 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 857 ]
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Smelly is so fluffy he’s gonna die - 01 February 2012 10:35 PM

I had no idea until juglub agreed to vote for accent and then didn’t.  HCO being human really shook my resolve.  Now I’ve seen the horror of what mob violence can do.

I was actually in a meeting when that happened and couldn’t vote.

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Posted: 01 February 2012 10:38 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 858 ]
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I am not a fan of the seer being revealed at death.

Two great games by Flounder!

I’ll be back on travel tomorrow so won’t play agin for a bit, but I’ll join again if you are still going when i’m back in the states.

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Posted: 01 February 2012 10:43 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 859 ]
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CW, I was a big fan of the no deadlines. Gave more urgency to the debate, actually, since you knew there could be a clear tipping point. Made it feel more like we were an angry mob.

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Posted: 01 February 2012 10:49 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 860 ]
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I’m actually a fan of deadlines, I also wouldn’t be opposed for a PC with the ability to break ties.

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Posted: 01 February 2012 10:57 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 861 ]
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Specifically so anyone doesn’t think I’m throwing Accent under the bus, I realized I left two words out of an email when we were discussing strategy.

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Posted: 02 February 2012 12:11 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 862 ]
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JGLB, Future King of a Future State - 01 February 2012 10:49 PM

I’m actually a fan of deadlines, I also wouldn’t be opposed for a PC with the ability to break ties.

Can you ‘splain why?

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Posted: 02 February 2012 12:23 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 863 ]
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I learned a great deal and had a lot of fun, even after I was dead. I certainly made “fatal” mistakes; I was much too heavy handed. I fully expected to die very early, but I thought my death (and HCOs) would make it very clear who the wolves were. Boy, was I wrong about that. I would definitely like to play again.

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Posted: 02 February 2012 03:23 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 864 ]
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Gentlemen, after reviewing my schedule for the next few days it doesn’t feel like I’ll have time to participate, but I should have time to moderate. It’s up to you.

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Posted: 02 February 2012 08:11 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 865 ]
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The next time I run a game I think I will declare that, until a player votes to kill anyone else, he is voting to kill himself. So if there are 7 players it only requires 3 other votes to kill him. That will provide a strong incentive to get some real votes on the table.

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Y finalmente recuerden: país rico no es aquel donde los pobres logran tener carro, sino donde los ricos toman el transporte publico.
- Gustavo Petro, Alcalde Mayor de Bogotá.

Posted: 02 February 2012 08:28 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 866 ]
HCO, Transgressive Herbivore - 02 February 2012 08:11 AM

The next time I run a game I think I will declare that, until a player votes to kill anyone else, he is voting to kill himself. So if there are 7 players it only requires 3 other votes to kill him. That will provide a strong incentive to get some real votes on the table.

That makes it hard for those of us with jobs and stuff.  Maybe they should have 60 minutes from the time they first post in the “day”.

Also, I think in your game but not in CW’s. we could vote for multiple people.  I thought that that was good.

I think the revealing of the state of the people who died is an incredible benefit to the villagers.  I think without it, the werewolves would win almost all the time.  This is different than the in-person game, which I think is stacked against the werewolves, and tweaks to help the werewolves are usually positive.

Posted: 02 February 2012 08:30 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 867 ]

By the way, I will be without internet/phone from 4pm Friday to 8pm Sunday this weekend, so I will be out of the next game, assuming it starts this week.

Posted: 02 February 2012 10:23 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 868 ]
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HCO, Transgressive Herbivore - 02 February 2012 08:11 AM

The next time I run a game I think I will declare that, until a player votes to kill anyone else, he is voting to kill himself. So if there are 7 players it only requires 3 other votes to kill him. That will provide a strong incentive to get some real votes on the table.

That makes it hard for those of us with jobs and stuff.  Maybe they should have 60 minutes from the time they first post in the “day”.

I dreamed up the “10 to 10” schedule to accommodate people with jobs and stuff. As long as you check in and vote once every day, and do your seer/werewolf business once every night, you are a fully productive member of Mordavian society.

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Y finalmente recuerden: país rico no es aquel donde los pobres logran tener carro, sino donde los ricos toman el transporte publico.
- Gustavo Petro, Alcalde Mayor de Bogotá.

Posted: 02 February 2012 10:31 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 869 ]
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CW hits the pinata for the candy - 02 February 2012 12:11 AM
JGLB, Future King of a Future State - 01 February 2012 10:49 PM

I’m actually a fan of deadlines, I also wouldn’t be opposed for a PC with the ability to break ties.

Can you ‘splain why?

Game balance. Otherwise I can see scenarios where you drag a vote on until late in the night, and then kill someone when they can’t defend themselves.

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Posted: 02 February 2012 10:32 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 870 ]
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HCO, Transgressive Herbivore - 02 February 2012 08:11 AM

The next time I run a game I think I will declare that, until a player votes to kill anyone else, he is voting to kill himself. So if there are 7 players it only requires 3 other votes to kill him. That will provide a strong incentive to get some real votes on the table.

I like this, so long as we’re not playing it so where enough votes to hang ends a round.

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Posted: 02 February 2012 10:46 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 871 ]

I’m down for playing another game.  I don’t have strong feelings about any of the rules being discussed.

Posted: 02 February 2012 10:52 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 872 ]

I think it would be fun to have a game where non-players can comment and provide their insight to the wolves and the villagers.  Or even have one designated observer who can say whatever they want and their goal is to try and indentify the wolves AND the seer.

Yes, HCO your plan is fine in the 10 to 10 model.  I am not sure it would come into play often, at least practically (you may see some intentional grounding).

Posted: 02 February 2012 11:42 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 873 ]
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I’ve also thought about making people vote in a world-editable spreadsheet like this but I fear it would lead to too much out of character discussion about revision histories and so on. I might insist that people refer to the spreadsheet as a clay tablet on the wall or something.

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Y finalmente recuerden: país rico no es aquel donde los pobres logran tener carro, sino donde los ricos toman el transporte publico.
- Gustavo Petro, Alcalde Mayor de Bogotá.

Posted: 02 February 2012 11:52 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 874 ]
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HCO, Transgressive Herbivore - 02 February 2012 11:42 AM

I’ve also thought about making people vote in a world-editable spreadsheet like this but I fear it would lead to too much out of character discussion about revision histories and so on. I might insist that people refer to the spreadsheet as a clay tablet on the wall or something.

I am not opposed to it, but docs is now blocked at work. I said I would run the next one, but I can’t commit to checking until the middle of next week.

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Posted: 02 February 2012 04:29 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 875 ]
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I noticed yesterday that this thread does not require authentication to view. So now this works. That kind of sucks. Should we ask Jim to hide this forum? Should we move into the Lounge forum?

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Y finalmente recuerden: país rico no es aquel donde los pobres logran tener carro, sino donde los ricos toman el transporte publico.
- Gustavo Petro, Alcalde Mayor de Bogotá.

   
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