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Posted: 11 August 2006 01:37 AM   [ Ignore ]
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What 2 players, who hit their first MLB HR on the same day, combined for the most career HR?


I have no idea but I think it is a great trivia question.

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Posted: 11 August 2006 05:11 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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Here’s one candidate pair:

http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/B06040TOR1986.htm
http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/B06040ATL1986.htm

Jeff Reed finished his career with 61 homers; Bonds has 723 to date.

Total = 784 in the regular season.

So it would have to be two of the other 45 players with 392 career home runs (Carlos Delgado joined that list this year), or just one from that list and with whatever degree of help from another player.

From a check of Retrosheet it’s not Sosa, McGwire, Palmeiro, Reggie Jackson*, Mike Schmidt*,  Ken Griffey Jr.*, McCovey+, Eddie Murray*, Stargell+, Winfield+, Bagwell*, Sheffield, Frank Thomas, Dave Kingman+, Andre Dawson, Manny Ramirez*, Ripken*, Alex Rodriguez, Billy Williams+, Dale Murphy, Mike Piazza nor Joe Carter.

No one else hit their first homer of the season (*or another player hit a first of the year but verified not first of career) in conjunction with those players. +And subject to the limits of Retrosheet data.)

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Of the known double-firsts, here are career totals:

http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/B09090OAK1985.htm
http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/B09090HOU1985.htm

Jose Canseco (462) and Matt Nokes (136) = 588 total


http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/B04170TOR1987.htm
http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/B04170CIN1987.htm

Fred McGriff (493) and Kurt Stillwell (34) = 527 total


http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/B05290SLN1971.htm
http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/B05290PIT1971.htm

Darrell Evans (414) and Milt May (77) =  491 total


http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/B10040NYA1991.htm
http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/B10040SDN1991.htm

Jim Thome (430 through 2005) and Tom Browning (2) = 432 total
Jim Thome (446 through 9 Aug 2006) and Tom Browning (2) = 466 total


http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/B09180TEX1989.htm
http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/B09180CHN1989.htm

Juan Gonzalez (434) and Mitch Williams (1) = 435 total


http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/B09210SLN1985.htm
http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/B09210NYN1985.htm

Andres Galarraga (399) and Dwight Gooden (1) = 400 total

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Weirdness:

Pitcher Bob Gibson hit his next to last career HR on the same day Dave Winfield hit his first.

Eric Davis hit his first of 9 homers as a Tiger (‘93-‘94) on the same day Manny Ramirez hit the first of his career. It was Davis’s debut for Detroit after coming over from L.A. (Brett Butler filled the power void by hitting his only home run of the year for the Hated Dodgers on that same day); Ramirez went deep twice on the day.

Dale Murphy homered twice on the day, hitting the game-winner off Rollie Fingers in the 10th and a 7th inning shot off Randy Jones that started the Braves comeback from a six run deficit. (http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/B09150SDN1977.htm) This was also the date of the infamous Orioles forfeit to the Blue Jays. (http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/B09150TOR1977.htm and http://www.retrosheet.org/forfeits.htm)

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Posted: 11 August 2006 12:04 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
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More research show there are only 49 batter-pairs whose career homers are greater than Bonds and Reed, and who first homered in the same year, prior to ‘74 when Retrosheet data is missing or sketchy.

1915 : jacobba01 (83) + ruthba01 (714) = 797
1915 : kellyge01 (148) + ruthba01 (714) = 862
1915 : pippwa01 (90) + ruthba01 (714) = 804
1915 : ruthba01 (714) + sislege01 (102) = 816
1915 : ruthba01 (714) + smithel02 (70) = 784
1927 : foxxji01 (534) + ottme01 (511) = 1045
1951 : longda02 (132) + mayswi01 (660) = 792
1951 : mantlmi01 (536) + mayswi01 (660) = 1196
1951 : mantlmi01 (536) + thomafr03 (286) = 822
1951 : maxwech01 (148) + mayswi01 (660) = 808
1951 : mayswi01 (660) + niemabo01 (125) = 785
1951 : mayswi01 (660) + postwa01 (210) = 870
1951 : mayswi01 (660) + thomafr03 (286) = 946
1953 : bankser01 (512) + kalinal01 (399) = 911
1954 : aaronha01 (755) + amorosa01 (43) = 798
1954 : aaronha01 (755) + baileed01 (155) = 910
1954 : aaronha01 (755) + bakerge02 (39) = 794
1954 : aaronha01 (755) + bollifr01 (106) = 861
1954 : aaronha01 (755) + cunnijo01 (64) = 819
1954 : aaronha01 (755) + gardnbi02 (41) = 796
1954 : aaronha01 (755) + hoakdo01 (89) = 844
1954 : aaronha01 (755) + kattra01 (32) = 787
1954 : aaronha01 (755) + lynchje01 (115) = 870
1954 : aaronha01 (755) + moonwa01 (142) = 897
1954 : aaronha01 (755) + morynwa01 (101) = 856
1954 : aaronha01 (755) + powervi01 (126) = 881
1954 : aaronha01 (755) + skinnbo01 (103) = 858
1954 : aaronha01 (755) + skowrbi01 (211) = 966
1954 : aaronha01 (755) + tuttlbi01 (67) = 822
1954 : aaronha01 (755) + wilsobi02 (32) = 787
1955 : boyerke01 (282) + killeha01 (573) = 855
1955 : clemero01 (240) + killeha01 (573) = 813
1956 : colavro01 (374) + robinfr02 (586) = 960
1956 : robinbr01 (268) + robinfr02 (586) = 854
1956 : robinfr02 (586) + whitebi03 (202) = 788
1959 : cashno01 (377) + mccovwi01 (521) = 898
1963 : hortowi01 (325) + stargwi01 (475) = 800
1967 : benchjo01 (389) + jacksre01 (563) = 952
1967 : jacksre01 (563) + mondari01 (241) = 804
1967 : jacksre01 (563) + smithre06 (314) = 877
1971 : evansda01 (414) + fiskca01 (376) = 790
1971 : evansda01 (414) + kingmda01 (442) = 856
1971 : fiskca01 (376) + kingmda01 (442) = 818
1972 : bakerdu01 (242) + schmimi01 (548) = 790
1972 : baylodo01 (338) + schmimi01 (548) = 886
1972 : ceyro01 (316) + schmimi01 (548) = 864
1972 : evansdw01 (385) + schmimi01 (548) = 933
1972 : hendrge01 (267) + schmimi01 (548) = 815
1973 : parkeda01 (339) + winfida01 (465) = 804

From ‘57 on the Retrosheet data should still show the first homers for most players so thse should be easy to eliminate by a little research.

For the older ones, the partners of notable sluggers like Ruth and Aaron [whose first homer dates are available elsewhere] can possibly be eliminated by debut date which is always known.

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Posted: 11 August 2006 09:10 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]
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Burt Hooton (4) + Mike Schmidt (548) = 552


http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/B09160PHI1972.htm
http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/B09160CHN1972.htm

Posted: 13 August 2006 03:50 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]
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Might not hurt to revisit this question again around the end of the 2020 season…

http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/B04060TEX2001.htm
http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/B04060ARI2001.htm

Suzuki and Pujols have combined for 293 through the close of play today.

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Posted: 13 August 2006 06:08 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]
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Thomas Richard Hamilton Nugent - 11 August 2006 09:10 PM

Burt Hooton (4) + Mike Schmidt (548) = 552


http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/B09160PHI1972.htm
http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/B09160CHN1972.htm

Same date:
09-16-1972 : Gary Matthews (234) + Mike Schmidt (548) = 782

Contrast:
06-04-1986 : Barry Bonds (708*) + Rey Quinones (29) = 737
06-04-1986 : Barry Bonds (708*) + Jeff Reed (61) = 769

* - Through end of 2005

06-04-1986 : Barry Bonds (723^) + Rey Quinones (29) = 752
06-04-1986 : Barry Bonds (723^) + Jeff Reed (61) = 784

^ - to date

So if Matthews and Schmidt were the old record holders, the record fell with Bonds’s 14th homer of 2006 which was July 20th at home against the Padres.

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You come at me one-on-one, you better come with a lot, Jack. - B.L. Bonds

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Posted: 13 August 2006 10:15 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]
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A little more research into player pairs who might threaten the record.

For ‘86-‘05 these are the pairs that averaged a combined 30 HR per year or better
[‘99 first-homer pairs not included as the Retrosheet data isn’t available for that.]

(Figure in parenthesis is average pair HRs per year, adjusted for first HR date as a year fraction, but not considering playing time otherwise.)

06-04-1986 : Barry Bonds (708) + Rey Quinones (29) = 737 (36.12)
06-04-1986 : Barry Bonds (708) + Jeff Reed (61) = 769 (37.69)
04-18-1990 : John Olerud (255) + Robin Ventura (294) = 549 (33.71)
09-26-1991 : Todd Hundley (202) + Reggie Sanders (292) = 494 (34.80)
04-27-1993 : Vinny Castilla (315) + Ryan Klesko (272) = 587 (45.17)
09-28-1997 : Henry Blanco (43) + Derrek Lee (208) = 251 (30.87)
04-05-2000 : Eric Chavez (190) + Brian Daubach (93) = 283 (42.21)
04-05-2000 : Eric Chavez (190) + Kevin Millar (111) = 301 (44.89)
04-05-2000 : Eric Chavez (190) + Chris Singleton (45) = 235 (35.05)
04-05-2000 : Eric Chavez (190) + Daryle Ward (76) = 266 (39.67)
04-05-2000 : Brian Daubach (93) + Kevin Millar (111) = 204 (30.42)
04-07-2000 : Ramon Hernandez (90) + Jacque Jones (132) = 222 (33.43)
04-08-2000 : Mike Lowell (143) + Jay Payton (95) = 238 (36.01)
04-08-2000 : Mike Lowell (143) + Alfonso Soriano (162) = 305 (46.15)
04-08-2000 : Jay Payton (95) + Alfonso Soriano (162) = 257 (38.89)
04-09-2000 : Carlos Beltran (162) + Matt LeCroy (58) = 220 (33.45)
08-12-2000 : Torii Hunter (133) + Jason LaRue (76) = 209 (35.96)
04-06-2001 : Albert Pujols (201) + Ichiro Suzuki (52) = 253 (44.60)
04-20-2002 : Morgan Ensberg (74) + Eric Hinske (66) = 140 (33.17)
08-11-2002 : Joe Crede (74) + Travis Hafner (76) = 150 (39.02)

Pujols/Suzuki is the most obvious case of a late first MLB home run. But as Suzuki is a decidely minor partner and both he and Pujols have seen an up-turn in recent power numbers, the average may be viable depending on Suzuki’s ultimate career length.

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Life’s easy—a quirk of matter; nature’s way of keeping meat fresh. - The 9th Doctor

You come at me one-on-one, you better come with a lot, Jack. - B.L. Bonds

Get some. - Lt. Tom Drew