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Tuesday, September 13, 2011

Blue Jays (74-73) @ RedSox (85-61), Tuesday, September 13, 2011, 7:10pm

TOR: Brandon Morrow (26, RHP, 9-10, 5.12)
BOS: Tim Wakefield (44, RHP, 6-6, 5.03)

The Primer Chimp Posted: September 13, 2011 at 01:00 PM | 380 comment(s)
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1. tfbg9 Posted: September 13, 2011 at 04:09 PM (#3923420)

Tim Wakefield (44, RHP, 6-6, 5.03)

Have no fear. We can't lose. The man has icewater running through his..err...fingertips. Yes, that's it.

2. tfbg9 Posted: September 13, 2011 at 07:58 PM (#3923681)

This is a big game. Tim is generally huge in big games. So we have that going for us.
The Sox are ~7.5/5 favorites, a line I put together by averaging-out the various books in NV...so, 7.5 + 5 =12.5 and 7.5/12.5 =.60!

Vegas says, after all this losing and carping and what-not, with Tim on the mound, the Sox are 60% to win.

Yeah, right. But that's what the line* is.

*people who claim that there is any meaningful diff. bt. the line and what Vegas thinks the chances of one team winning are are ignorant to the
world of gambling and gamblers. One cannot make $ by betting against "all that NY money", that kind of thing.

3. Joe Bivens, Minor Genius Posted: September 13, 2011 at 11:00 PM (#3923803)

WTF are you talking about? I know it has to do with gambling. After that...?

4. Phil Coorey. Posted: September 13, 2011 at 11:03 PM (#3923806)

Nothing like logging on and seeing the whole season has gone pear shaped

5. Joe Bivens, Minor Genius Posted: September 13, 2011 at 11:08 PM (#3923812)

Wind is blowing out. That actually helps a knuckleballer, the ball moves more thrown into the wind.

6. Benji Gil Gamesh Rises Posted: September 13, 2011 at 11:10 PM (#3923813)

Man, the 9/11 stuff if you didn't know any better looks like commemmoratng the winning of WWII or something. Shouldn't it be a little more, I don't know, somber if they're going to do it, rather than celebratory?

7. Benji Gil Gamesh Rises Posted: September 13, 2011 at 11:11 PM (#3923814)

Wind is blowing out. That actually helps a knuckleballer, the ball moves more thrown into the wind.

You forget that Wakefield is evil incarnate that no force on this earth could help.

8. Dan Posted: September 13, 2011 at 11:13 PM (#3923815)

Loewen playing CF? That could be ugly for the Jays.

9. Good cripple hitter Posted: September 13, 2011 at 11:14 PM (#3923816)

Loewen playing CF? That could be ugly for the Jays.

That was my thought. Then again, their options are Loewen, Mike McCoy, or Dewayne Wise, so Loewen probably isn't the worst option.

10. Dan Posted: September 13, 2011 at 11:15 PM (#3923817)

McCoy and Wise both seem pretty good defensively (although both are weak hitters).

11. Joe Bivens, Minor Genius Posted: September 13, 2011 at 11:16 PM (#3923818)

Joey Bats.

12. Dan Posted: September 13, 2011 at 11:17 PM (#3923820)

So far it looks like the wind is helping Wakefield get more movement on the knuckled. Some ugly hacks so far, especially by Bautista.

13. Benji Gil Gamesh Rises Posted: September 13, 2011 at 11:18 PM (#3923821)

Guys I've been out of pocket for ~10 days, what did they end up doing with Drew? Is he active? Gotten any starts?

14. Darren

Posted: September 13, 2011 at 11:19 PM (#3923822)

Good to see all of you here and facing our destiny!

15. Jay Seaver Posted: September 13, 2011 at 11:19 PM (#3923824)

Injured - broke his finger during his first rehab game.

Really.

16. Dan Posted: September 13, 2011 at 11:20 PM (#3923825)

He broke his middle finger during his rehab game. Doesn't look likely that he'll be back in a Boston uniform at all.

17. Good cripple hitter Posted: September 13, 2011 at 11:20 PM (#3923826)

McCoy and Wise both seem pretty good defensively (although both are weak hitters).

Come to think of it, the Jays need to play McCoy at short with Escobar out, and McCoy doesn't have much experience in the outfield.

Wise's bat is terrible, so the Jays might as well see if Loewen has a shot at playing CF, they don't have much space for him otherwise, outside of LF.

18. Dan Posted: September 13, 2011 at 11:20 PM (#3923828)

And Reddick has been hitting again lately anyway. Even if Drew had been activated, it's doubtful he'd have gotten more than a handful of ABs.

19. Dan Posted: September 13, 2011 at 11:23 PM (#3923831)

Orioles are leading the Rays 1-0 in the first inning.

20. Phil Coorey. Posted: September 13, 2011 at 11:25 PM (#3923832)

Is this some sort of a ####### joke? Where's ortiz?

21. Jay Seaver Posted: September 13, 2011 at 11:25 PM (#3923833)

Lowrie for Ortiz? This can't be good in any way whatsoever.

22. Phil Coorey. Posted: September 13, 2011 at 11:25 PM (#3923834)

Is this some sort of a ####### joke? Where's ortiz?

23. Dan Posted: September 13, 2011 at 11:25 PM (#3923835)

Why is Ortiz not hitting?

24. Benji Gil Gamesh Rises Posted: September 13, 2011 at 11:25 PM (#3923836)

Ortiz a late scratch...hey sure, why not?

25. Dan Posted: September 13, 2011 at 11:26 PM (#3923837)

And why is Lowrie hitting instead of Lavarnway?

26. Phil Coorey. Posted: September 13, 2011 at 11:26 PM (#3923839)

Nice at bat , Jed - brilliant

27. Phil Coorey. Posted: September 13, 2011 at 11:27 PM (#3923841)

Jesus - he gets hit so freaking often

28. Dan Posted: September 13, 2011 at 11:27 PM (#3923842)

Seriously, why the #### wouldn't Lavarnway take over DHing if Ortiz can't go? What the #### is lefty Jed doing batting cleanup and DHing?

29. ray james Posted: September 13, 2011 at 11:28 PM (#3923844)

Why is Lowrie hitting in front of Youkilis?

30. Benji Gil Gamesh Rises Posted: September 13, 2011 at 11:28 PM (#3923845)

Youk with no beard...are we sure this is 2011? I feel like I've been asleep for a year.

Thx for the Drew update.

31. Phil Coorey. Posted: September 13, 2011 at 11:28 PM (#3923846)

C'Mon Josh

32. Dan Posted: September 13, 2011 at 11:28 PM (#3923847)

Francona's managing this season has been just ####### godawful.

33. Phil Coorey. Posted: September 13, 2011 at 11:29 PM (#3923849)

Why is Lowrie hitting in front of Youkilis?

Ortiz was pinch hit for - god knows why.

#25 would be my next point as well

34. Jay Seaver Posted: September 13, 2011 at 11:30 PM (#3923850)

Well, that's not a hit with the bases loaded, but who cares?

35. Phil Coorey. Posted: September 13, 2011 at 11:30 PM (#3923851)

That could be a massive turning point for the season - then again - Wakefield is pitching

36. Benji Gil Gamesh Rises Posted: September 13, 2011 at 11:31 PM (#3923854)

Oh Crawford grounding out weakly to second, now all seems normal.

37. ray james Posted: September 13, 2011 at 11:31 PM (#3923855)

####### Crawford. That AB was pathetic.

38. Phil Coorey. Posted: September 13, 2011 at 11:31 PM (#3923856)

#### you are a useless #### Crawford - there is nothing to like about him this season - nothing

Nice at bat you #### after Morrow would have been clearly rattled

39. Dan Posted: September 13, 2011 at 11:33 PM (#3923858)

Watching Crawford is physically painful.

40. Dan Posted: September 13, 2011 at 11:34 PM (#3923859)

Good thing Crawford redeems his ####### awful AB by playing that ball well off the wall and making a nice accurate throw, right?

41. ray james Posted: September 13, 2011 at 11:35 PM (#3923861)

The O's just wormed their way out of a based loaded, no out jam against the Rays. O's up 1-0.

Nice job by Simon.

42. Phil Coorey. Posted: September 13, 2011 at 11:35 PM (#3923862)

Watching Crawford is physically painful.

Under statement - he drives me insane.

Wakefield about to hand the lead back - typical.

43. Benji Gil Gamesh Rises Posted: September 13, 2011 at 11:35 PM (#3923863)

Le sigh.

44. Jay Seaver Posted: September 13, 2011 at 11:35 PM (#3923864)

Great job, Wakefield. Why do you hate the Sox having the lead?

45. ray james Posted: September 13, 2011 at 11:36 PM (#3923866)

Ah ####. Tito, please do not start Wakefield anymore!! You are in a pennant race now!!

46. Hugh Jorgan Posted: September 13, 2011 at 11:36 PM (#3923867)

Arrives into work late...logs on to Gameday...notices Wakefield is pitching....hears simultaneous explosion of Teddy and Phil's heads 17,000 kilometres apart.

47. Dan Posted: September 13, 2011 at 11:36 PM (#3923868)

Way to ####### pick up the team, Wakefield.

48. Phil Coorey. Posted: September 13, 2011 at 11:36 PM (#3923869)

Well done Wake

49. Hugh Jorgan Posted: September 13, 2011 at 11:37 PM (#3923872)

Jose, Jose, are you around mate? I need you to predict next week's lottery numbers.

50. Phil Coorey. Posted: September 13, 2011 at 11:40 PM (#3923875)

Seriously - all the people who think we are a little too serious or over the top in chatter better stay the #### away - cause I am about to lose my ####

I ####### hate watching this guy pitch and have so since I logged on here in chatter in 2004 (check the ####### files if you want)

He ####### sux - he always has - he's a ####### novelty act in a game where you can't afford to have one. He has been taking the piss for years.

Every other team strikes pixie dust with pitchers while the Sox trot out this ####### joker year in year out

#### this

51. Hugh Jorgan Posted: September 13, 2011 at 11:42 PM (#3923877)

Phil I'm with you on the Wakefield issue, however I'm not panicking yet about the playoffs. If we drop 2 to Toronto, well even I think I'll have soiled my pants by then.

52. karlmagnus Posted: September 13, 2011 at 11:42 PM (#3923878)

He's the Red Sox' Shane Warne -- but three years older, and Warne probably won't be up to much by 2014.

The mistake was not bringing him up in 1990!

53. karlmagnus Posted: September 13, 2011 at 11:43 PM (#3923881)

He's the Red Sox' Shane Warne -- but three years older, and Warne probably won't be up to much by 2014.

The mistake was not bringing him up in 1990!

54. Dan Posted: September 13, 2011 at 11:44 PM (#3923883)

23 homers allowed in ~140 innings for Wakefield. That's pretty impressive.

55. Phil Coorey. Posted: September 13, 2011 at 11:46 PM (#3923885)

Shane Warne is the greatest cricketer I ever saw, karl. We all know leg spinning is a little harsher on the body that this novelty act they call the knuckle ball.

Good to see England are number one in cricket btw.

56. Dan Posted: September 13, 2011 at 11:47 PM (#3923887)

Also, to go back to Crawford: He's played 120 games this year, and has 1 OF assist. 1 OF assist while playing LF at Fenway ####### Park. That's just comically awful.

57. Phil Coorey. Posted: September 13, 2011 at 11:48 PM (#3923888)

Scutaro teaches Crawford how to have an at bat against a guy like Morrow - why Crawford is not batting nine is a mystery

58. Dan Posted: September 13, 2011 at 11:50 PM (#3923889)

Also, Ortiz apparently is having back spasms.

59. karlmagnus Posted: September 13, 2011 at 11:50 PM (#3923890)

Phil, you are of course entirely right about Shane -- couldn't resist a dig.

All the same it's odd that leggies can make it to Test cricket at 24, while there are no young knucklers (never have been, not just now.)

60. Dan Posted: September 13, 2011 at 11:50 PM (#3923892)

Marc Normandin
Wakefield now allowing 1.5 homers per nine in a year where the average pitcher is giving up 0.9.

Alex Speier
Tim Wakefield has now allowed at least three earned runs in each of his last 14 starts, the longest such streak of his career.

61. Benji Gil Gamesh Rises Posted: September 13, 2011 at 11:51 PM (#3923893)

It would be really amusing if after tonight we were to end up closer to the Yankees than the Rays are to us.

62. Hugh Jorgan Posted: September 13, 2011 at 11:51 PM (#3923894)

Thankfully Ortiz is only out with a back problem. Maybe they can send him to the same experts they sent Buchholz to....

Shane Warne is the greatest cricketer I ever saw

I believe this statement should read...Shane Warne is the greatest cricketer ever...full stop. If you are picking an all time team he's your first pick. He is the Babe Ruth of cricket. Unfortunately Shane as a human being had some less then desirable aspects to his personality, but the dude was amazing, he was like sorcerer with the ball. Heck of good fielder and handy with the bat.

63. Phil Coorey. Posted: September 13, 2011 at 11:53 PM (#3923896)

I can't wait to see him give back the lead soon

64. Jay Seaver Posted: September 13, 2011 at 11:53 PM (#3923897)

So it's going to be this kind of game. They're going to have to do more than this to Wakefield-proof the game, though.

65. Benji Gil Gamesh Rises Posted: September 13, 2011 at 11:53 PM (#3923898)

This might end up 12-9, but we're winning this ####### game.

66. Hugh Jorgan Posted: September 13, 2011 at 11:53 PM (#3923900)

Does anyone else think we are going to need like 14 runs to win this game?

67. Hugh Jorgan Posted: September 13, 2011 at 11:54 PM (#3923902)

cokes to Jay and Benji

68. Phil Coorey. Posted: September 13, 2011 at 11:56 PM (#3923903)

Phil, you are of course entirely right about Shane -- couldn't resist a dig.

All the same it's odd that leggies can make it to Test cricket at 24, while there are no young knucklers (never have been, not just now.)

hehe

Spinning has been a real problem is Australia - trying to re-create another Warnie has been a disaster - asking kids to take wickets and keep the run rate down bowling leggies has created some disasters out here.

62 is right - he really was great - amazing slips fielder - just amazing

69. Dan Posted: September 13, 2011 at 11:56 PM (#3923904)

What's the over/under on pitches Wakefield needs to blow this lead? 5.5?

70. Phil Coorey. Posted: September 13, 2011 at 11:56 PM (#3923905)

What's the over/under on pitches Wakefield needs to blow this lead? 5.5?

I'll take the under

71. Phil Coorey. Posted: September 13, 2011 at 11:57 PM (#3923907)

Good to see the lead off runner is on - love watching this guy - love it

72. Jay Seaver Posted: September 13, 2011 at 11:58 PM (#3923908)

Oh, for crying out loud, Wake!

He's probably got one more start at Fenway. The Sox should throw him a surprise retirement party during the opening ceremonies.

73. Phil Coorey. Posted: September 13, 2011 at 11:58 PM (#3923910)

They talk about a 'Harvest Moon' on NESN as we watch this 'Old Man' pitch....

74. ray james Posted: September 14, 2011 at 12:00 AM (#3923912)

This is torture. Wakefield has zero chance of holding this lead.

75. Jay Seaver Posted: September 14, 2011 at 12:01 AM (#3923913)

Believe it or not, I liked Wakefield, like, a month ago. Now we're just talking pure anger when he shows up.

76. ray james Posted: September 14, 2011 at 12:01 AM (#3923914)

##################!!!!!!!!!

77. Hugh Jorgan Posted: September 14, 2011 at 12:01 AM (#3923915)

F*****************************************************CK....I hate this.

78. Dan Posted: September 14, 2011 at 12:01 AM (#3923916)

Wakefield is a ####### embarrassment.

79. Phil Coorey. Posted: September 14, 2011 at 12:01 AM (#3923918)

Thanks Wake - couldn't have missed the post season without you

Show some dignity and retire - now

80. Hugh Jorgan Posted: September 14, 2011 at 12:03 AM (#3923920)

Are the fans booing yet? Please tell me some of the fans are booing.

81. Famous Original Joe C Posted: September 14, 2011 at 12:03 AM (#3923921)

The Greeks couldn't conceive of tragedy like the Tim Wakefield 200 wins chase.

Have no fear. We can't lose. The man has icewater running through his..err...fingertips. Yes, that's it.

I blame you.

82. Dan Posted: September 14, 2011 at 12:04 AM (#3923922)

Just ####### go away, Wakefield. I don't care where you go, just disappear.

83. Phil Coorey. Posted: September 14, 2011 at 12:04 AM (#3923924)

Are the fans booing yet? Please tell me some of the fans are booing.

This ####### joker never gets booed - him and Varitek - it's a ####### joke.

The crowd is quiet as #### - they have the same dread we do

84. ray james Posted: September 14, 2011 at 12:04 AM (#3923925)

Hey, he got an out!

85. Phil Coorey. Posted: September 14, 2011 at 12:06 AM (#3923926)

Well done Youks - sure fire out botched - just what this joker needed as he can't get outs at the best of times

86. Dan Posted: September 14, 2011 at 12:06 AM (#3923927)

What is the ####### point in letting Wakefield even continue pitching this inning? Just ####### pull him while the deficit is manageable.

87. karlmagnus Posted: September 14, 2011 at 12:06 AM (#3923928)

Doesn't help when the unpleasant Youkilis can't field.

88. Hugh Jorgan Posted: September 14, 2011 at 12:06 AM (#3923929)

Now an error. #81 was right, you really couldn't come up with a more cataclysmic scene right now.

89. Phil Coorey. Posted: September 14, 2011 at 12:07 AM (#3923931)

Doesn't help when the unpleasant Youkilis can't field.

Youks let in the first five runs - I forgot!

90. Jay Seaver Posted: September 14, 2011 at 12:08 AM (#3923932)

Gift third out!

91. Famous Original Joe C Posted: September 14, 2011 at 12:08 AM (#3923934)

You guys need to get over it. Root for him, you've got no choice.

92. Paul D(uda) Posted: September 14, 2011 at 12:09 AM (#3923935)

Joey Bats.

You're damn straight Joe!

93. karlmagnus Posted: September 14, 2011 at 12:09 AM (#3923936)

Ha! Genius Wake! Now all we need is a 12-run inning and we're OK.

94. Dan Posted: September 14, 2011 at 12:09 AM (#3923938)

Doesn't help when the unpleasant Youkilis can't field.

And Crawford didn't scale the monster to grab either of those home run balls either. Man if the defense picked him up, Wakefield would be tossing a gem, right karl?

95. Joe Bivens, Minor Genius Posted: September 14, 2011 at 12:09 AM (#3923937)

KM is much like the Ziff-bot.

96. Famous Original Joe C Posted: September 14, 2011 at 12:10 AM (#3923939)

Also, he's not the worst pitcher in the rotation.

97. Famous Original Joe C Posted: September 14, 2011 at 12:10 AM (#3923940)

Ha! Genius Wake! Now all we need is a 12-run inning and we're OK.

I'm with you, km. Have I ever told you how great I think Jake Beckley is?

98. Dan Posted: September 14, 2011 at 12:11 AM (#3923941)

Yes he is.

99. Phil Coorey. Posted: September 14, 2011 at 12:11 AM (#3923942)

You guys need to get over it. Root for him, you've got no choice.

I'm not actively cheering for him to fail, but how much is enough?

100. Textbook Editor Posted: September 14, 2011 at 12:11 AM (#3923943)

I should have stayed away from the Chatter...

So who's the long man out of the pen tonight? Aceves I'm assuming is going to start a TB game and thus wouldn't be available.

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