BBTF's Game Chatter Discussion :: Mets (39-39) @ Tigers (43-36), Tuesday, June 28, 2011, 7:05pm

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1. Zeba Zeba Eata Posted: June 28, 2011 at 11:03 PM (#3864795)

Not a fan of Willie Harris, DH.

2. Orange & Blue Velvet Posted: June 28, 2011 at 11:09 PM (#3864803)

Not a fan of Willie Harris.

3. Zeba Zeba Eata Posted: June 28, 2011 at 11:10 PM (#3864805)

Way to be, Murphy.

4. Orange & Blue Velvet Posted: June 28, 2011 at 11:13 PM (#3864809)

Mike Porcello or Rick Pelfrey?

5. Zeba Zeba Eata Posted: June 28, 2011 at 11:13 PM (#3864810)

Sweet AB by Angel.

6. Orange & Blue Velvet Posted: June 28, 2011 at 11:16 PM (#3864812)

Jason Bay is the Incredibly Strange Creature Who Stopped Hitting and Became An Out-Making Zombie

7. Zeba Zeba Eata Posted: June 28, 2011 at 11:29 PM (#3864837)

Not entirely sure why Turner is playing if he's too injured to hit properly.

8. AJM Posted: June 28, 2011 at 11:34 PM (#3864843)

Not entirely sure why Turner is playing if he's too injured to hit properly.

This is the Mets, you have to ask? What's wrong with Turner anyway?

I heart Reyes.

9. Banta Posted: June 28, 2011 at 11:34 PM (#3864844)

Reyes is the best player who's ever lived. And that's probably not going far enough.

Come on, Harris.

10. Banta Posted: June 28, 2011 at 11:36 PM (#3864850)

Boo. That's the best play Miggy's capable of making.

11. Zeba Zeba Eata Posted: June 28, 2011 at 11:36 PM (#3864852)

Sucks to get robbed on the rare occasion of WFH hitting the ball hard.

12. Zeba Zeba Eata Posted: June 28, 2011 at 11:38 PM (#3864856)

Turner's thumb is screwed up.

13. Banta Posted: June 28, 2011 at 11:40 PM (#3864860)

Mmm, DPs....

14. Zeba Zeba Eata Posted: June 28, 2011 at 11:40 PM (#3864863)

Yay for double plays. Duda's been pretty good at 1st so far (not that that was particularly challenging).

15. Banta Posted: June 28, 2011 at 11:41 PM (#3864864)

Reyes's dWAR is up to -.4 after being at -.7 a few weeks ago, too, fwiw.

If that number isn't positive by the end of the year, I'm leaving this site and joining the ESPN forums.

...Are there ESPN forums?

16. Zeba Zeba Eata Posted: June 28, 2011 at 11:41 PM (#3864865)

Eephu-knuckler!

17. Banta Posted: June 28, 2011 at 11:55 PM (#3864882)

That's a horrible ####### walk, Dickey. You deserve Cabrera to take you deep now.

18. Banta Posted: June 28, 2011 at 11:56 PM (#3864883)

Do not groove a 3-1 fastball, Dickey.

19. AJM Posted: June 29, 2011 at 12:01 AM (#3864887)

Nice pitch.

20. Zeba Zeba Eata Posted: June 29, 2011 at 12:01 AM (#3864888)

Way to get out of that, R.A.

21. Swoboda is freedom Posted: June 29, 2011 at 12:06 AM (#3864895)

5 hits and 2 walks in 3 innings does not portend a great outing.

22. Zeba Zeba Eata Posted: June 29, 2011 at 12:07 AM (#3864897)

Josh with the pop!

23. AJM Posted: June 29, 2011 at 12:08 AM (#3864898)

Thole!!

24. AJM Posted: June 29, 2011 at 12:09 AM (#3864899)

15 triples!

25. Zeba Zeba Eata Posted: June 29, 2011 at 12:09 AM (#3864900)

You can't get Jose out.

26. Zeba Zeba Eata Posted: June 29, 2011 at 12:09 AM (#3864901)

Holy crap, even Harris did something right!

27. Gonna break my Rusty Kuntz and run . . . Arbitol Posted: June 29, 2011 at 12:10 AM (#3864903)

Has a Met ever been on a tear like Reyes's right now?

28. AJM Posted: June 29, 2011 at 12:12 AM (#3864906)

Most triples since WWII is 23 by Granderson.

29. AJM Posted: June 29, 2011 at 12:12 AM (#3864907)

Woo! This is fun.

30. Orange & Blue Velvet Posted: June 29, 2011 at 12:14 AM (#3864908)

Ever since I called the Mets boring they've been hitting the crap out of the ball.

31. Banta Posted: June 29, 2011 at 12:17 AM (#3864911)

The Mets have scored all their runs tonight when I haven't been watching!

32. Banta Posted: June 29, 2011 at 12:17 AM (#3864914)

MAN, I missed Thole's HOMERUN??

33. AJM Posted: June 29, 2011 at 12:18 AM (#3864915)

I think this is already the most lively chatter in two weeks.

34. Zeba Zeba Eata Posted: June 29, 2011 at 12:22 AM (#3864918)

A GRAND SLAM!!!! BY BAY!?!?!?!

35. Banta Posted: June 29, 2011 at 12:22 AM (#3864920)

HE DID ITTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT

36. AJM Posted: June 29, 2011 at 12:22 AM (#3864919)

GRAND SLAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

37. Gonna break my Rusty Kuntz and run . . . Arbitol Posted: June 29, 2011 at 12:22 AM (#3864921)

SLAM!!!!

38. Orange & Blue Velvet Posted: June 29, 2011 at 12:22 AM (#3864922)

I CAN'T BELIEVE WHAT I JUST SAW!

39. Banta Posted: June 29, 2011 at 12:22 AM (#3864923)

That's gotta be a good omen, right??

40. Zeba Zeba Eata Posted: June 29, 2011 at 12:24 AM (#3864927)

That was an extremely enjoyable inning.

41. Banta Posted: June 29, 2011 at 12:26 AM (#3864934)

I literally stood up and shouted when Bay hit that. I don't even know what I said. I'm very happy right now.

42. Mark S. is bored Posted: June 29, 2011 at 12:27 AM (#3864935)

Adam Rubin is excited. He can finally stop the Grand Slam watch he does on Twitter.

43. Gonna break my Rusty Kuntz and run . . . Arbitol Posted: June 29, 2011 at 12:27 AM (#3864936)

We're due for like 10 more grand slams this year, right? Isn't that statistics?

44. AJM Posted: June 29, 2011 at 12:29 AM (#3864938)

I almost posted that Bay up with the bases loaded was a guaranteed failure.

45. Lassus Posted: June 29, 2011 at 12:29 AM (#3864939)

From my phone, I swear, reading about Bay's slam almost made me cry.

46. Zeba Zeba Eata Posted: June 29, 2011 at 12:35 AM (#3864948)

Reyes' awesomeness even makes outfielders miss balls he hits.

47. Mark S. is bored Posted: June 29, 2011 at 12:37 AM (#3864950)

4-4 with a 2B, 3B and SB and it's only the 5th inning.

48. Zeba Zeba Eata Posted: June 29, 2011 at 12:40 AM (#3864953)

2 IN 2 INNINGS!

49. AJM Posted: June 29, 2011 at 12:40 AM (#3864954)

GRAND SLAM!!!!!!!!!!

50. Gonna break my Rusty Kuntz and run . . . Arbitol Posted: June 29, 2011 at 12:40 AM (#3864955)

Told you. [43]

51. Orange & Blue Velvet Posted: June 29, 2011 at 12:40 AM (#3864956)

Is this reality or is this a dream?

52. Walks Clog Up the Bases Posted: June 29, 2011 at 12:40 AM (#3864958)

This is unreal. My Tigers fans friends are shitting themselves.

53. Mark S. is bored Posted: June 29, 2011 at 12:43 AM (#3864961)

Schlereth's ERA has increased by 2 since he entered the game.

54. Lassus Posted: June 29, 2011 at 12:43 AM (#3864962)

Holy crap.

55. Banta Posted: June 29, 2011 at 12:52 AM (#3864970)

I left again, but I left the TV on pause this time so I didn't miss the second grandslam. Unbelievable.

56. Zeba Zeba Eata Posted: June 29, 2011 at 12:56 AM (#3864975)

Wow, that was a bad play.

57. Banta Posted: June 29, 2011 at 12:57 AM (#3864978)

That's ####### sloppy, Turner.

I'm glad that Wright is almost back. Our blessed reserves are starting to wear out, I think.

58. Orange & Blue Velvet Posted: June 29, 2011 at 12:57 AM (#3864979)

If I were Terry, I would put Tejada in after the inning. Unacceptable.

59. Banta Posted: June 29, 2011 at 12:58 AM (#3864981)

So, when David does come back, second base probably becomes the hot hand between Murph and Turner, right?

I'm crossing my fingers that Duda can take the first base job and run with it.

60. Zeba Zeba Eata Posted: June 29, 2011 at 01:03 AM (#3864987)

Assuming that David actually ever comes back, I imagine 1st and 2nd would be shared fairly equally among Duda (1st), Turner (2nd), and Murphy (both). Unless Tejada gets hot again or Turner is still scuffling, and Tejada takes Turner's spot.

61. Banta Posted: June 29, 2011 at 01:07 AM (#3864988)

David's coming back. Santana too.

Ike's dead though.

62. Banta Posted: June 29, 2011 at 01:09 AM (#3864989)

And I say that because David was ALWAYS gonna be out this long, as soon as they diagnosed him. It was beyond wishful thinking to think he could be back in a couple weeks. But, I don't see any reason why he should be out longer.

I think Santana will be back because he's a badass.

And I think Ike is dead because his injury was one of those mysterious ones. Those never work out.

63. Zeba Zeba Eata Posted: June 29, 2011 at 01:10 AM (#3864990)

At this point, I just assume that anyone on the DL is dead until they actually show up on the field.

64. AJM Posted: June 29, 2011 at 01:10 AM (#3864991)

Ike's dead though.

I find it hard to believe the Mets screwed up an injury, that doesn't sound like them.

65. Zeba Zeba Eata Posted: June 29, 2011 at 01:11 AM (#3864992)

But I agree that it does seem likely that David and Johan will be back, assuming no further setbacks. Which...

66. Banta Posted: June 29, 2011 at 01:14 AM (#3864998)

NO WALKS DICKEY

67. Zeba Zeba Eata Posted: June 29, 2011 at 01:19 AM (#3865005)

How awesome is it that Reyes, in a 13-2 game, with 4 hits already, doesn't chase and takes a walk?

68. Banta Posted: June 29, 2011 at 01:19 AM (#3865007)

Probably a good idea to take Reyes out, but... I wanted a cycle!

69. Banta Posted: June 29, 2011 at 01:25 AM (#3865010)

It's so cool that Reyes actually has lived up to his massive potential. Hell, looking at my last sentence, that really isn't saying enough.

And that's why he needs to be resigned. We lived through the no-walk '05. We lived through his ups and downs and his antsyness. We lived through his injury disappearance. And if he's truly turned into this sort of superstar, we're the ones who should get to ####### see it.

70. Orange & Blue Velvet Posted: June 29, 2011 at 01:33 AM (#3865015)

And if he's truly turned into this sort of superstar, we're the ones who should get to ####### see it.

While I agree with this emotionally, you can't expect Jose to hit .350 every year. If somebody gives him 150M, the Mets have to let him go.

Yeah. I'm a real bastard.

71. AJM Posted: June 29, 2011 at 01:34 AM (#3865016)

I'm glad they're up 10 or I'd be really pissed this inning.

72. Orange & Blue Velvet Posted: June 29, 2011 at 01:35 AM (#3865018)

Since the Mets jumped out to the big lead, the Mets have played some really sloppy baseball.

And I am not a fan of Duda in the field... irrespective of the position.

73. Banta Posted: June 29, 2011 at 01:39 AM (#3865023)

While I agree with this emotionally, you can't expect Jose to hit .350 every year. If somebody gives him 150M, the Mets have to let him go.

I agree with the first, but not with the second. I don't think he's gonna hit for this high of a average again, but I don't think it's impossible that he's settled into a higher level of production. Like 120 OPS+ or thereabouts.

And there isn't an amount of money that I wouldn't give him, really. He's worth what the market dictates and I don't care if it's an overpay. He's the most exciting player since.... uh, ever? If that's not worth extra, ESPECIALLY in NY, then I don't know what to say.

This isn't like a small market team which will lose all its flexibility by taking on a big contract. This should be a top five franchise AT LEAST payroll-wise, Wilpons be damned. The Mets should be able to pay Reyes big money, have him suffer a career ender, and STILL BE ABLE TO FIELD A FUNCTIONAL TEAM. Just because they haven't or it doesn't look like they can right now this moment doesn't mean that it still isn't true.

74. Orange & Blue Velvet Posted: June 29, 2011 at 01:40 AM (#3865025)

What do you think the Mets should/will do about Angel Pagan? Is he somebody they should look to sign long-term? Do they shop him in the offseason?

75. Banta Posted: June 29, 2011 at 01:43 AM (#3865030)

I wouldn't sign Pagan long term. He bloomed late and his bloom isn't pretty enough for me to gamble on long term.

76. Sam M. Posted: June 29, 2011 at 01:53 AM (#3865036)

Well, damn. Two f'ing grand slams???? Back-to-back innings????

Are they winning?

(This is a take, by the way, on a very old story about this 1964 game, after which a guy called what was then WOR and said, "So, I heard the Mets scored 19 runs today." And he was told that they had, indeed, scored 19 on the Cubs. And he responded by saying, "And did they win?")

77. Orange & Blue Velvet Posted: June 29, 2011 at 01:57 AM (#3865041)

but I don't think it's impossible that he's settled into a higher level of production. Like 120 OPS+ or thereabouts.

I don't know if the Mets are in a position (financially/success-cycle wise) to take that bet. If he's a TT 100-110 OPS+ SS with great baserunning and scratch defense, that's not worth 150M.

JJ Hardy has a 99 OPS+ for his career. He could do a fair job of replicating Jose's typical production at a fraction of the cost.

I want to keep Jose. The Mets shouldn't do it at ANY cost. That's how you end up with a really bad contract.

78. Banta Posted: June 29, 2011 at 02:04 AM (#3865045)

JJ Hardy has a 99 OPS+ for his career. He could do a fair job of replicating Jose's typical production at a fraction of the cost.

You're a good guy, OBV, and you do have a point, but if the Mets do this, I think I'll become a fan of a completely different sport. Perhaps cricket.

Looking at his stats though, I did not realize Hardy was having that good of a year this year. I thought he was fairly toasty. Also thought he was a little bit older.

79. Banta Posted: June 29, 2011 at 02:10 AM (#3865047)

Over .500! And they KILLED Pythagoras tonight.

80. Orange & Blue Velvet Posted: June 29, 2011 at 02:11 AM (#3865048)

but if the Mets do this, I think I'll become a fan of a completely different sport. Perhaps cricket.
If the Phillies or Yankees sign Jose, I might join you.

Put it in the books! One of the more entertaining games of the year.

81. Zeba Zeba Eata Posted: June 29, 2011 at 02:14 AM (#3865051)

Above .500!

82. AJM Posted: June 29, 2011 at 02:14 AM (#3865052)

Ballgame!

83. Sam M. Posted: June 29, 2011 at 02:18 AM (#3865054)

By the way, it takes 15 triples to make B-Ref's list of all-time, single-season leaders. Jose's 2011 season* now qualifies for that list, after just 79 games.

Yikes.

* -- He had already had three seasons on the list: 2008 (19), and 2005 and 2006 (17 each).

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