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Friday, September 09, 2011
RedSox (85-58) @ Rays (78-64), Friday, September 9, 2011, 7:10pm
BOS: John Lackey (32, RHP, 12-11, 6.11) TBR: Wade Davis (25, RHP, 9-8, 4.50)
The Primer Chimp
Posted: September 09, 2011 at 01:00 PM | 85 comment(s)
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1. Dan Posted: September 09, 2011 at 11:06 PM (#3920659)(I hope.)
We are in serious, serious trouble. This isn't pants pissing. This is realizing that right now we have one--ONE!--starter who can be counted on to deliver an ERA under 6 in any given game. The rest are rubbish and dreck. Even if we get to the playoffs, we might have 2 decent starters and 2 decent relievers. Ain't no way we're winning a World Series with that.
I thought Abraham's floated idea of just letting Buchholz start in the playoffs for a Game 3 with Aceves behind him was nuts. I don't think it's nuts anymore. We're at a point where we're simply going to have to throw the dice and get Buchholz a start or two before the end of the season and hope his can give us 4 decent innings in a Game 4.
Oh... and then there's the $20 million question: Which starter do we target this off-season? Because honestly, we need a damn starter this off-season. Do we offer the moon to Sabbathia? Who else is out there?
This is a load of ####. I feel bad for the guy, but he's below replacement level and he's making the money of an ace. If you performed that far below expectations at your job, you'd be fired, regardless of your home situation. I also think his elbow is basically completely shredded, but the team and the man seem to be content to let him "pitch" through it, so who the #### knows.
Dan - Some guy named Rube Bressler posted a 58 in 1915. Post-integration it's Jose Lima in 205 with a 63. Lackey was 68 heading into tonight.
I just posted in another thread but the rotation is a mess, other than Lester they have four guys who are going to be fortunate to give up 4 runs in 5 innings and the offense basically has one good game a week followed by 4-5 crapfests.
Maybe we'll get lucky and they'll have to amputate.
I don't know that I earn "ace" level money as an editor, but it's better than when I worked at a Wawa in college. That said, 2+ years ago my wife and I were both gobsmacked by our then-3-1/2 year old son being diagnosed with a brain tumor. For 5 months we scrambled around like zombies, figuring out what to do, and then after we decided on surgery, spent 3 more months helping TE Jr. rehab from the surgery. During all this time, I was supposed to be "working" (and I did, though I did it quite badly), but with doctor appointments, getting second opinions, etc... to say nothing of the emotional toll it had on all of us... I just didn't have much left at the end of the day to concentrate on work-related stuff. Thankfully, we found an amazing surgeon and he was able to do a gross total resection and today aside from some vision issues TE Jr. is fine and there's been no recurrence of the tumor.
Now... my point is this: While I spent 8 months as a zombie up to and after TE Jr.'s surgery, I had (IIRC) 5 different book projects going on. Slowly, over time, my editors started to pull some of those books off my plate. I'm a freelance editor, so these guys really had no reason not to just "fire" me outright for lack of doing my job right. But they didn't fire me--they took projects off my hands and let me focus on the one big project I had told me not to worry about the others (though I know for a fact this pulling back of projects must have caused problems for them).
This whole episode (I thought, at the time) was bound to cause some of the editors I worked for to be reluctant to give me future projects... but I found this was not the case. They all (I'm assuming) took into account the pretty unique set of circumstances, weighed the fact that (when I wasn't a zombie) I was pretty good at my job, and thus--when I was ready and able to--they gave me more work.
My point being: If all of this is because Lackey's mind is in a million pieces, it's on Tito and Theo to take things off his plate (like starting games) until his head's on right. Lackey's the type who'll just take the ball regardless, and with guys like that you have to do the thinking for them.
Of course, the other side is this... Per Cot's Contracts:
It would not at all surprise me to find out that Lackey is basically hiding an elbow injury because he doesn't want to be an indentured servant in 2015. He also lacks a no-trade clause, so even if he has surgery and comes back in 2013 (say), he knows that if he's at all effective the Red Sox suddenly have a very valuable piece of property: a decent pitcher who in 2014 costs $15.25 million and in 2015 costs... $400,000. Over two years, that's less than $8 million a year. If he's decent in 2013 that is a very, very tradeable chip for the Red Sox... and there's be nothing Lackey could do about it.
Now, do I think Lackey's willing to pitch through a shredded elbow for 3 more years, just so he doesn't miss time and thus invoke the 2015 clause? Who knows... But I do know that it's pretty likely his head isn't on right at the moment, so who knows what he's thinking... But that's why Tito and Theo have to do the thinking for him and take the ball.
at Tampa (0-3)
Toronto (1-1)
Tampa (1-3)
Baltimore (2-2)
at New York (0-3)
at Baltimore (1-2)
finish - 90-72 good night Gracie
I don't disagree with this but who steps in for him? I just don't see an option. They could give Aceves a couple of starts (and that probably is the best option) but it's not like the bullpen is so impressive that taking Aceves out of it is a great move either.
At this point, I would seriously consider starting Aceves instead of Miller.
Now they're saying Youkilis might have a sports hernia or some other kind of injury, if Extra Bases is to be believed. Wunderbar.
I hope I'm wrong but I don't see it.
The 3-7 has already happened, so that part is 100% likely, and doesn't affect the probability of the 5-14 happening.
So by playing like crap for a few weeks they are MORE likely to play well now? That seems a bit optimistic.
And I think it's self evident that the team is less likely to win games in which they aren't playing their full starting lineup and pitching their best arms.
Elias notes that Lackey has worst ERA of any Red Sox starter with 25 starts. Ever.
I understand that. But it's not like the 3-7 stretch has been built on playing a bunch of backups, it's been built on the "strength" of the nine guys that are going to be out there in an ideal world.
Rays, go 4-2 the rest of the way against the Sox and they only need to pick up 3.5 games otherwise. It's a race.
And sorry MCOA, this team has had Beckett in the rotation and Youkilis in the lineup for much of the rest of the year. They also had the good Pedroia in there.
CJ Wilson is going to get the Carl Pavano Memorial "I'm Pretty Good but because I'm the best of a bad lot I'm going to get ridiculous years and money" contract.
Let me also ask, how does Tampa do this? How do they get every single pitching prospect to stay healthy and immediately succeed in the Majors, in the AL East? How do they get Desmond Jennings and Ben Zobrist to come up and play better than they ever did in the minors? How do they get retreads like Kotchman to turn great after years of sucking?
WOuldn't John Lackey be a better name to invoke here? Or AJ Burnett?
OK, so let's trade for him, then. We need a starter. Unless we're willing to go $30 million/year and take Sabbathia away from the Yankees, who else is out there to be had?
I don't think my imagination is capable of picturing something that's so impossible.
Imagine if instead of Carl Crawford, John Lackey, and Mike Cameron, the Red Sox had spent similar money on Matt Holliday and Cliff Lee.
Yeah, those did not quite work out did they? It boggles my mind, especially Crawford. 29 years old, presumably in the prime of his career and he posts the worst year of his career by a long shot in every respect. At least with Cameron you could say it's age and Lackey is a pitcher and weird things happen to them.
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