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Saturday, September 24, 2011

RedSox (88-68) @ Yankees (95-61), Saturday, September 24, 2011, 4:10pm

BOS: Jon Lester (27, LHP, 15-8, 3.15)
NYY: Freddy Garcia (34, RHP, 11-8, 3.77)

The Primer Chimp Posted: September 24, 2011 at 01:00 PM | 226 comment(s)
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201. Dan Posted: September 24, 2011 at 10:50 PM (#3935296)

Part of this is absolutely the scoreboard. But there are a few players in the game, when they hit the ball that Crawford did for a double, that are a baserunning event. I've seen Crawford be one of those guys in years past, Gardner is one of those guys, as is Ellsbury. When Carl hit that one, it was so much of an assumed double that the live camera never even went to him as a baserunner.

It has nothing to do with the scoreboard. Whether it's due to his confidence, his hamstring, or his lack of confidence in his hamstring, Crawford hasn't been that guy for months, if he ever was that guy this year.

202. Dan Posted: September 24, 2011 at 10:52 PM (#3935297)

The defensive misplay in the 2nd inning was the same thing. In the past, Crawford makes that catch, maybe even standing up. This year's version has gone from amazing to watch play the field to borderline disastrous.

203. Dan Posted: September 24, 2011 at 10:55 PM (#3935298)

I guess what galls me about Crawford is that I was genuinely excited to see him in a Boston uniform. The deal looked like a bit of an overpay, but he is (or at least was) one of the most exciting players in baseball. Seeing him 150 times playing for my favorite team was going to be awesome!

Compare that to a guy like Lackey, whose signing I disliked from day one. I didn't figure him to be a disaster either, but I hated the guy as an Angel, and he seemed like an overpay too. I was prepared to grin and bear it if he was going to be a good pitcher, but I was never looking forward to seeing him in a Boston uniform.

204. TVerik Posted: September 24, 2011 at 10:56 PM (#3935299)

With this particular game situation, he would have been stupid to go to third there. But again, Jorge Posada gets a RBI double on that ball.

205. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: September 24, 2011 at 10:58 PM (#3935301)

I guess what galls me about Crawford is that I was genuinely excited to see him in a Boston uniform. The deal looked like a bit of an overpay, but he is (or at least was) one of the most exciting players in baseball. Seeing him 150 times playing for my favorite team was going to be awesome!

Compare that to a guy like Lackey, whose signing I disliked from day one. I didn't figure him to be a disaster either, but I hated the guy as an Angel, and he seemed like an overpay too. I was prepared to grin and bear it if he was going to be a good pitcher, but I was never looking forward to seeing him in a Boston uniform.

I generally agree with all of that except I was looking forward to seeing Lackey. I thought he'd be a guy who won a bunch "how the hell did he win that game" games where he gave up 1 run on 11 hits type stuff. Instead he's still a "how the hell did he get the win" because he got a bunch of support in a 15-10 win.

206. TVerik Posted: September 24, 2011 at 10:59 PM (#3935303)

When Clemens first came to NY, I felt much the same way, Dan. I was prepared to cheer and root for him, and I figured that he'd help the team. But there was just too much bad blood; too much history. I was never going to love him. He's a Sock.

207. boteman Posted: September 24, 2011 at 10:59 PM (#3935304)

#199 I simply asked a question, which is a dangerous task around these parts, apparently.

I saw Emilio Bonifacio hit an inside-the-park home run against his former team, the Natinals, here in Miami Gardens a couple seasons ago. Nothing quite like that.

It just seems like some people get extra b|tchy about stupid stuff said by stupid sports commentators. This "xxx short of the cycle" seems like another such gripe, but it just doesn't trigger a reaction in me, which is why I asked what's so egregious about an idiot commentator expressing it.

208. TVerik Posted: September 24, 2011 at 11:02 PM (#3935307)

I read my response again. The last line was indeed snarky, perhaps too much so. But the rest of it was, I think, an honest attempt to make more clear a situation that another person had stated that he doesn't understand.

Commentators are like the rest of attendees. They'd rather broadcast history (even made-up trivia history) than a game that was effectively over in the second inning.

209. Dan Posted: September 24, 2011 at 11:02 PM (#3935308)

When Clemens first came to NY, I felt much the same way, Dan. I was prepared to cheer and root for him, and I figured that he'd help the team. But there was just too much bad blood; too much history. I was never going to love him. He's a Sock.

Now imagine that he also turned into the worst pitcher in MLB. And you'll have Lackey.

210. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: September 24, 2011 at 11:04 PM (#3935309)

Boteman - I think Erik was on your side.

I was there for Ellsbury's ITPHR this week and I've seen a couple of others (Nomar, Pokey at least off the top of my head. Think Shin Soo Choo hit one at AAA at the SABR convention a couple years back). They are incredibly exciting, not so much for the drama of the play but that moment when you realize "holy crap this could happen."

Just generally I think baseball's greatest moments are those anticipatory moments, not the wham bam moments.

211. Mattbert Posted: September 24, 2011 at 11:04 PM (#3935310)

Hard to say if the Red Sox could be any more dead to me. I’m sure they’ll try, though.

Go Rays.

212. TVerik Posted: September 24, 2011 at 11:05 PM (#3935311)

Clemens coming to the Yankees was a chocolate/peanut butter pairing. The best pitcher in the game, going to the best team in the game. And his first season in the Bronx was not wonderful.

213. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: September 24, 2011 at 11:05 PM (#3935312)

Anyone know a good place to get a futon in the Burlington, MA area?

214. Dan Posted: September 24, 2011 at 11:05 PM (#3935313)

Montero struck out against Michael Bowden?!?!?

Clearly he's a bust.

215. Darren

Posted: September 24, 2011 at 11:08 PM (#3935315)

Try Futon World.

If such a place exists. Which it probably doesn't.

216. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: September 24, 2011 at 11:11 PM (#3935317)

There's actually a place called Boston Bed that sells some pretty nice ones, I'd just like to comparison shop a bit.

Apparently Futon World is in Fairfield, NJ.

217. TVerik Posted: September 24, 2011 at 11:12 PM (#3935319)

I didn't think to Google this phrase, but here you go, Jose. I'm reasonably sure my Geek Card is now punched for a few more years.

218. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: September 24, 2011 at 11:12 PM (#3935320)

Look at that, Sox-Yankees with a game under 3 hours!

219. Jay Seaver Posted: September 24, 2011 at 11:13 PM (#3935321)

Damn it. And Wakefield and Lackey tomorrow. This is ridiculous.

220. boteman Posted: September 24, 2011 at 11:13 PM (#3935322)

In a previous crappy job, my cheap-ass boss put me up in some hourly rate motel in San Diego. Right across the highway was a place called "Caskets For Less". Because, you know, when you're grieving for a loved one you need a go-to place to score a cheap casket.

221. Dan Posted: September 24, 2011 at 11:14 PM (#3935323)

The Rays game isn't televised in Florida because Sun Sports is covering Florida Atlantic vs. Auburn. That's how much they care about the Rays in the playoff hunt.

222. Liver of blaspheming 'zop Posted: September 24, 2011 at 11:15 PM (#3935324)

Anyone know a good place to get a futon in the Burlington, MA area?

I remember there being a store like that in Natick - maybe off of Speen St.?

223. boteman Posted: September 24, 2011 at 11:16 PM (#3935327)

Jays @ Rays on MLBN channel 214 on DirecTV, thankfully.

Although Jeff Niemann has a better road w/l record than at home and he's not starting out auspiciously thus far. Red Sox fans take heart. Or cyanide. Either would do at this point.

224. Joe Bivens, Minor Genius Posted: September 24, 2011 at 11:17 PM (#3935328)

Building 19 may sell futons. Or not.

225. TVerik Posted: September 24, 2011 at 11:18 PM (#3935330)

Some futons have springs in 'em. Most don't.

I think you want a futon that is comfortable enough for an occasional overnight guest. But it ought to be the kind of thing that causes immense pain if one sleeps on it again and again. Gotta inconvenience those sponges; motivate 'em to get their own place.

226. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: September 24, 2011 at 11:22 PM (#3935334)

I think you want a futon that is comfortable enough for an occasional overnight guest. But it ought to be the kind of thing that causes immense pain if one sleeps on it again and again. Gotta inconvenience those sponges; motivate 'em to get their own place.

For a Yankee fan you have some good ideas.

227. IronChef Chris Wok Posted: September 24, 2011 at 11:28 PM (#3935340)

why won't the season just end?

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