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Sunday, September 25, 2011

RedSox (88-69) @ Yankees (96-61), Sunday, September 25, 2011, 6:30pm

BOS: John Lackey (32, RHP, 12-12, 6.49)
NYY: Ivan Nova (24, RHP, 16-4, 3.62)

The Primer Chimp Posted: September 25, 2011 at 01:00 PM | 1094 comment(s)
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   201. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: September 25, 2011 at 10:05 PM (#3935954)
Wells' K just now was one of the most embarrassing swing-and-misses I've ever seen.
   202. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: September 25, 2011 at 10:06 PM (#3935955)
Peter Bourjos!
   203. Dan Posted: September 25, 2011 at 10:07 PM (#3935956)
BTW wouldn't a three way wildcard shootout be fun? Flip a coin to determine the rivals in a game beginning at 11:00 on Thursday morning, and then fly the winner to the home field of the third team for an 8:30 night game. And given how they've all played, make the survivor fly Coach for the rest of the postseason.


It's not a coin flip anymore. It's based on combined head to head records.

In a three way tie scenario, it would be a game of the Angels at Boston followed by the winner playing at home against the Rays, unless the Rays decide to play 2 home games instead of 1 road game (which would be insane and no one would ever choose to do that).
   204. The District Attorney Posted: September 25, 2011 at 10:08 PM (#3935957)
I remember hearing about an old game that three teams played in, rotating like in 187. I think it was the Dodgers, Giants, and Yankees when they were all in New York.
Correct. (Someone recently posted this; credit to that person, whoever it was.) Final score was Dodgers 5, Yankees 1, Giants 0.

J. Weeks and M. Taylor screw up a bloop hit; 5-2 Angels.
   205. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: September 25, 2011 at 10:09 PM (#3935958)
Wells' K just now was one of the most embarrassing swing-and-misses I've ever seen.

I assume it would have been a good accomplishment just for it to be his own most embarrassing swing-and-miss this season.
   206. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: September 25, 2011 at 10:10 PM (#3935959)
Braun, 2-3, .333
Reyes, 2-4, .331
Kemp: 1-4, needs a bit of a Dodger rally to pick up a 5th at-bat, .325
   207. willcarrolldoesnotsuk Posted: September 25, 2011 at 10:12 PM (#3935961)
God, if the Sox somehow do pull it out, Ray will be insufferable<sup>*</sup>.

And judging from the Yanks' lineup, it looks like they're giving the Sox a sympathy ####.

<i>*: I mean, more than usual
   208. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: September 25, 2011 at 10:12 PM (#3935962)
I'm pretty stunned to see Drew back in the Sox line-up.
   209. willcarrolldoesnotsuk Posted: September 25, 2011 at 10:12 PM (#3935963)
I hate things that work in the preview window but don't work on posting.
   210. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: September 25, 2011 at 10:12 PM (#3935964)
I assume it would have been a good accomplishment just for it to be his own most embarrassing swing-and-miss this season.
So you understand the context, then.
   211. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: September 25, 2011 at 10:13 PM (#3935965)
Willingham homers off Walden. 5-3 Angels.
   212. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: September 25, 2011 at 10:14 PM (#3935966)
I remember hearing about an old game that three teams played in, rotating like in 187. I think it was the Dodgers, Giants, and Yankees when they were all in New York.

Yup.
   213. Dan Posted: September 25, 2011 at 10:14 PM (#3935968)
And judging from the Yanks' lineup, it looks like they're giving the Sox a sympathy ####.


They tried to do that in the afternoon game too. It didn't do much to help the Sox out. And considering Lackey is starting the second game, I doubt it will help them now either.
   214. Dan Posted: September 25, 2011 at 10:14 PM (#3935969)
I'm pretty stunned to see Drew back in the Sox line-up.


Guy has seen live pitching once in the past 3 months in a AAA rehab game a month ago. What could possibly go wrong?
   215. Swedish Chef Posted: September 25, 2011 at 10:15 PM (#3935970)
I thought Red Sox would be big underdogs at the bookies for this game and that it would be worthwhile to bet on them. But the odds implies 43% chance for them. So no bet.
   216. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: September 25, 2011 at 10:15 PM (#3935971)
And now tying run is on 1st base. 1st and 2nd, 1 out.
   217. Swedish Chef Posted: September 25, 2011 at 10:16 PM (#3935973)
given that I recently went on one of those "date" things I've heard so much about.

I hope you weren't the poor Magic player in that awful Gizmodo article...
   218. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: September 25, 2011 at 10:17 PM (#3935975)
OH MY ####### GOD.
   219. Dan Posted: September 25, 2011 at 10:18 PM (#3935976)
This has been a Red Sox worthy choke job by Walden.
   220. boteman Posted: September 25, 2011 at 10:18 PM (#3935977)
The Angels radio guy is going on about how Adam Rosales hasn't had a hit since Christ was in AA ball, has a 0.074 batting average, then Walden throws the ball into CF. 5-4 Angels now. Wow. This has been quite a September to remember (or forget, depending).
   221. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: September 25, 2011 at 10:19 PM (#3935979)
Guy has seen live pitching once in the past 3 months in a AAA rehab game a month ago. What could possibly go wrong?
They have to start three outfielders. You want Reddick and Ellsbury out there, but there needs to be a third, too.

Maybe Drew is the guy to put out on the field and give them some pathologically low-affect performance. I got no idea. Maybe he's not ready and will suck. I got no idea. I don't think you do either.

I grant nothing Francona has done yet has worked, but we just don't have good information to go with here.
   222. boteman Posted: September 25, 2011 at 10:20 PM (#3935981)
I hate things that work in the preview window but don't work on posting.

I can't get the preview to work at all, lucky you.
   223. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: September 25, 2011 at 10:20 PM (#3935982)
I hate sports.
   224. Mayor Blomberg Posted: September 25, 2011 at 10:20 PM (#3935984)
5-5 in Anaheim
   225. Group Captain Mandrake Posted: September 25, 2011 at 10:22 PM (#3935985)
God, if the Sox somehow do pull it out, Ray will be insufferable


If the Sox lose tonight, Ray will be proven wrong, regardless of what happens after. And he will know it even if he never admits it.
   226. Hugh Jorgan Posted: September 25, 2011 at 10:23 PM (#3935986)
I'm pretty stunned to see Drew back in the Sox line-up

desperate times, desperate measures and all that I suppose. Actually who are we kidding, panic is the order of the day!

I must be naive, because I really thought there'd be one stage this month where the team would simply string together 3-4 wins in spite of giving up 5-6 runs a game.
   227. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: September 25, 2011 at 10:24 PM (#3935987)
He won't admit it was "proven" because he will say he was using a comically non-standard meaning for both "lock" and "over".
   228. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: September 25, 2011 at 10:24 PM (#3935988)
I really thought there'd be one stage this month where the team would simply string together 3-4 wins in spite of giving up 5-6 runs a game.
I also thought that at some point, one of the bad pitchers would throw a good game. I guess Lackey did, two starts ago. But that's the only one.
   229. Swedish Chef Posted: September 25, 2011 at 10:24 PM (#3935989)
If the Sox lose tonight, Ray will be proven wrong, regardless of what happens after. And he will know it even if he never admits it.

Don't you know that being a lock means 85% chance to get there?
   230. Dan Posted: September 25, 2011 at 10:25 PM (#3935990)
They have to start three outfielders. You want Reddick and Ellsbury out there, but there needs to be a third, too.

Maybe Drew is the guy to put out on the field and give them some pathologically low-affect performance. I got no idea. Maybe he's not ready and will suck. I got no idea. I don't think you do either.

I grant nothing Francona has done yet has worked, but we just don't have good information to go with here.


I really wish he would bench Crawford for making all these godawful plays in the field.

Reddick misplayed the one ball in the Bedard game and everyone flipped out, and Crawford has routinely flubbed balls he should catch and Francona writes him in the lineup every day anyway. Hell, he's now decided he needs to hit 2nd. Francona seems to be panicking and his only solution is to bat Crawford 2nd to try and get him going, apparently.
   231. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: September 25, 2011 at 10:25 PM (#3935991)
6-5 Oakland.

Yikes.
   232. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: September 25, 2011 at 10:25 PM (#3935992)
A;s 6, Angels 5
   233. boteman Posted: September 25, 2011 at 10:26 PM (#3935993)
I'm sure these do-it-yourself hari kari kits can be relabeled with the Angels logo to cover up the big red "B".
   234. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: September 25, 2011 at 10:26 PM (#3935994)
Bottom of the 9th coming up.
   235. Dan Posted: September 25, 2011 at 10:26 PM (#3935995)
I also thought that at some point, one of the bad pitchers would throw a good game. I guess Lackey did, two starts ago. But that's the only one.


Even in that game he only went 5 1/3 innings.
   236. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: September 25, 2011 at 10:33 PM (#3935998)
Jose and Dale saw early on that this club was actually playing bad baseball, not just getting poor baseball results.

I still think that it was reasonable to expect that they would shake off their funk - usually, streaks end sooner than later - but they haven't.


My fear wasn't THIS so much as a bad month (8-14, 9-13) with Tampa doing more on their side of things. I was "confident" we were going to struggle but never dreamed it would be this bad. If you had told me we were about to go 5-17 I might've had a stroke.
   237. Dale Sams Posted: September 25, 2011 at 10:33 PM (#3935999)
Jose and Dale saw early on that this club was actually playing bad baseball, not just getting poor baseball results.

I still think that it was reasonable to expect that they would shake off their funk - usually, streaks end sooner than later - but they haven't.


It was the realization that Wake and Lackey literally are the worst pitchers in baseball, combined with the usual Sox stubborness to do anything about it. I doubt even Jose or I could predict that the Sox would blow back-to-back late inning leads against the O's though.

And no one in their right minds would predict "Worst September in history coming up!"

With our 'horses' going in BALT, there's still a non-zero chance the Sox can win if they can just stop making dumb early mistakes and stop giving up.
   238. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: September 25, 2011 at 10:35 PM (#3936000)
I hope you weren't the poor Magic player in that awful Gizmodo article...

Pfft, I wish I were him. He's rich, better at Magic than me, better-looking than me...
   239. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: September 25, 2011 at 10:36 PM (#3936002)
With our 'horses' going in BALT, there's still a non-zero chance the Sox can win if they can just stop making dumb early mistakes and stop giving up.
in theory! It could happen!

Maybe now is the time they start playing good baseball again. It's happened before...
   240. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: September 25, 2011 at 10:36 PM (#3936003)
By "now", I mean the next inning, of course.
   241. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: September 25, 2011 at 10:36 PM (#3936004)
goddammit you ############# i so ####### hate baseball. ####! ####! VUFK!TW-Y0814241HTRNSZG
   242. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: September 25, 2011 at 10:37 PM (#3936005)
Ouch, heartbreaker for the Angels.
   243. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: September 25, 2011 at 10:37 PM (#3936007)
Final: A's 6, Angels 5. Rally Monkey has ebola.
   244. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: September 25, 2011 at 10:37 PM (#3936008)
If Lackey allows only 1 run this inning, I will consider it a success.
   245. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: September 25, 2011 at 10:37 PM (#3936009)
I'd much, much rather choke away the Wild Card to the Rays instead of the Angels.

So we've got that going for us.
   246. Dale Sams Posted: September 25, 2011 at 10:38 PM (#3936010)
By "now", I mean the next inning, of course.


I didn't even know the game had started
   247. Group Captain Mandrake Posted: September 25, 2011 at 10:38 PM (#3936012)
OK, Kershaw exits with 7.1 IP and 2 ER, and a 6-2 lead after 8. Unless the bullpen gacks up a 4 run lead in the 9th, he's got stage 2 of the triple crown locked up. The ERA title is all but wrapped up, unless Lee pitches a 10 inning shutout.
   248. Orange & Blue Velvet Posted: September 25, 2011 at 10:39 PM (#3936013)
If Lackey isn't going to get that called for a strike...
   249. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: September 25, 2011 at 10:39 PM (#3936014)
Lackey starting with the Death Stare already.

That's bound to please the man behind the plate ...
   250. Dale Sams Posted: September 25, 2011 at 10:39 PM (#3936015)
fukkme ump
   251. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: September 25, 2011 at 10:39 PM (#3936016)
The Angels chances of making the playoffs are now in the same range as the Red Sox chances of missing the playoffs on September 1st, if the Rays offered to go ~.500 on the month.
   252. Dale Sams Posted: September 25, 2011 at 10:42 PM (#3936018)
Quick! Name the only non-American on the field for the Sox!
   253. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: September 25, 2011 at 10:42 PM (#3936019)
Four-pitch walk and a cutter as straight down the pipe as is possible to throw. Lackey has nothing.
   254. Hugh Jorgan Posted: September 25, 2011 at 10:42 PM (#3936020)
Angels choke, now the Red Sox turn....
   255. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: September 25, 2011 at 10:43 PM (#3936021)
Alright Tesh, avoid the GiDP.
   256. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: September 25, 2011 at 10:43 PM (#3936023)
That'll do Tesh, that'll do.
   257. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: September 25, 2011 at 10:43 PM (#3936024)
Keep hope alive, chowds. Nice throw.
   258. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: September 25, 2011 at 10:43 PM (#3936025)
And I'm out. I got a dinner to cook.
   259. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: September 25, 2011 at 10:43 PM (#3936026)
My god, Boston is just playing comically awful.
   260. Hugh Jorgan Posted: September 25, 2011 at 10:44 PM (#3936027)
Oh my, behind already.
   261. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: September 25, 2011 at 10:44 PM (#3936028)
If Lackey allows only 1 run this inning, I will consider it a success.

...Not so much.
   262. Jay Seaver Posted: September 25, 2011 at 10:44 PM (#3936030)
Are you #######...

I'm glad I'm out by the grill, listening on the phone, because I would have broke something if I were watching this on TV.
   263. Joel W Posted: September 25, 2011 at 10:44 PM (#3936031)
It's almost comical. Almost.
   264. Curse of the Graffanino (dfan) Posted: September 25, 2011 at 10:44 PM (#3936032)
Oh my lord.
   265. Swedish Chef Posted: September 25, 2011 at 10:44 PM (#3936033)
I say, I say.
   266. Dale Sams Posted: September 25, 2011 at 10:45 PM (#3936034)
See. Now *this* is the sort of thing Jose and I have predicted. Not late inning choke-jobs but Every. Fukking. Game. ..bad pitching and dumbass errors.
   267. Dale Sams Posted: September 25, 2011 at 10:46 PM (#3936036)
And thanks to the Olde Towne Clowns, my back lawn will now meet the same fate as my front lawn did yesterday.
   268. boteman Posted: September 25, 2011 at 10:46 PM (#3936038)
This team will now self-destruct in 5 seconds. Good luck, Jim.
   269. Srul Itza At Home Posted: September 25, 2011 at 10:46 PM (#3936040)
If Lackey allows only 1 run this inning, I will consider it a success.


Fail
   270. Joel W Posted: September 25, 2011 at 10:48 PM (#3936041)
OK all, I think that's it. Sadly I am now off to dinner w/ the only Tampa Bay Rays fan in the world.
   271. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: September 25, 2011 at 10:48 PM (#3936042)
When do we ask how the #### this team played well for three months rather than how are they playing so bad?

If this team had any integrity they would forfeit the last three games of the season.
   272. boteman Posted: September 25, 2011 at 10:48 PM (#3936043)
Do you think Ellsbury could have jumped to catch that ball off the top of the bullpen fence? Or did it look like it was going out until it was too late?
   273. Dan Posted: September 25, 2011 at 10:48 PM (#3936044)
I'd much, much rather choke away the Wild Card to the Rays instead of the Angels.

So we've got that going for us.


Ditto. I like the Rays. I hate the Angels. And a team that traded Napoli for Vernon Wells and his contract shouldn't be rewarded with making a playoff spot.
   274. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: September 25, 2011 at 10:50 PM (#3936045)
When do we ask how the #### this team played well for three months rather than how are they playing so bad?
This makes very little sense to me.

The Red Sox for five months played exactly as they were projected to play.

Now for three weeks they have played inept, bush league, mistake-after-mistake baseball. They are a highly talented team that is choking to an epic degree.

What, do you think the "true talent" of the 2011 Boston Red Sox was to commit three errors per game with a fielding percentage out of the 1890s?
   275. Depressoteric feels Royally blue these days Posted: September 25, 2011 at 10:50 PM (#3936047)
Pretty sure the Red Sox won't win another game all season long. I predict a season-ending sweep by the Orioles.
   276. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: September 25, 2011 at 10:52 PM (#3936049)
Pretty sure the Red Sox won't win another game all season long. I predict a season-ending sweep by the Orioles.


It might take an Orioles sweep to get the Rays into the WC.
   277. Orange & Blue Velvet Posted: September 25, 2011 at 10:54 PM (#3936050)
It might take an Orioles sweep to get the Rays into the WC.

Nah. I expect the Rays to win the series against the Yanks.

Honestly (and selfishly) I'm hoping for a one-game playoff between the Sox and the Rays. Those are lots of fun.
   278. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: September 25, 2011 at 10:54 PM (#3936051)
In the Rays game last night, Jeff Niemann came out and showed nothing. He was lucky to give up just two runs in the inning.

Joe Maddon warmed up a new pitcher, just about straight out of AAA, and gave him the next five innings.

The Red Sox both don't have a manager who has shown willingness to make such an aggressive move this month, and haven't developed the talent in their minors to make it an easy call.
   279. Accent Shallow Posted: September 25, 2011 at 10:55 PM (#3936053)
Quick! Name the only non-American on the field for the Sox!

Look, I know just about everyone hates J.D. Drew, but I can't imagine that they'd strip him of his citizenship.
   280. Group Captain Mandrake Posted: September 25, 2011 at 10:56 PM (#3936054)
It might take an Orioles sweep to get the Rays into the WC.


The Rays aren't playing great, but they are 13-7 in their last 20 games. Or, if you prefer, 7-6 against non-Red Sox. They will at least 1 against the Yankees at home, probably 2.
   281. Dan Posted: September 25, 2011 at 10:56 PM (#3936055)
Can we talk about how Varitek is doing nothing to make him worth playing? Why the #### not give Lavarnway a shot? Varitek has 1 hit all month, and he's making throwing errors and can't catch anyone stealing, sucks at framing pitches, and is below average at blocking pitches.
   282. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: September 25, 2011 at 10:57 PM (#3936056)
Nah. I expect the Rays to win the series against the Yanks.


I don't. The Rays were lucky to win 1 of 4 at the Stadium last week. The Yankees might play a House Money lineup tomorrow, but they'll be playing the regulars the last 2 days getting ready for the game on Friday.
   283. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: September 25, 2011 at 10:57 PM (#3936058)
Quick! Name the only non-American on the field for the Sox!
Is Scutaro's ethnicity/nationality a trivia matter? (Italian-Venezuelan)
   284. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: September 25, 2011 at 10:58 PM (#3936059)
Can we talk about how Varitek is doing nothing to make him worth playing? Why the #### not give Lavarnway a shot? Varitek has 1 hit all month, and he's making throwing errors and can't catch anyone stealing, sucks at framing pitches, and is below average at blocking pitches.
Yup.
   285. boteman Posted: September 25, 2011 at 10:58 PM (#3936060)
Who are the probable starting pitchers for the Yankees the next 3 games?
   286. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: September 25, 2011 at 10:58 PM (#3936061)
Honestly (and selfishly) I'm hoping for a one-game playoff between the Sox and the Rays. Those are lots of fun.
I am too. I'm going to strongly consider a BBTF Bar Outing to watch that game.
   287. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: September 25, 2011 at 10:58 PM (#3936062)
Nice hitting, Jesus!
   288. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: September 25, 2011 at 10:59 PM (#3936063)
Lackey actually jammed Montero there.

Hey, Adrian Gonzalez did a thing right! A Red Sox did a thing right!
   289. boteman Posted: September 25, 2011 at 10:59 PM (#3936065)
Hughes, Colon, and Undecided.
   290. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: September 25, 2011 at 10:59 PM (#3936066)
Lackey has nothing. They have to pull him soon.
   291. Dan Posted: September 25, 2011 at 11:00 PM (#3936069)
Leaving the corpse of Varitek in the lineup instead of trying Lavarnway. Letting Lackey and Wakefield suck start after start instead of starting Aceves or calling up Wilson and giving him a shot, etc. This team is stubborn and stupid and just pissing away innings and plate appearances on guys with zero upside instead of at least seeing if someone else can be decent. ####### terrible management.
   292. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: September 25, 2011 at 11:00 PM (#3936070)
Who are the probable starting pitchers for the Yankees the next 3 games?


Don't know if Girardi's announced them yet.

Colon for one of them, Hughes likely for another.
   293. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: September 25, 2011 at 11:00 PM (#3936071)
Yeah, Lackey just needed a little chat. Well done, Curt and Terry. You're clearly all over this problem.
   294. Dan Posted: September 25, 2011 at 11:01 PM (#3936072)
Lackey has nothing. They have to pull him soon.



He never has anything. Starting him in a must win game was criminally retarded. This team deserves everything they're getting.
   295. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: September 25, 2011 at 11:01 PM (#3936073)
Well, Young came out and Lackey threw two of his best pitches of the night. Those had movement and were on the corner.
   296. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: September 25, 2011 at 11:01 PM (#3936074)
The Red Sox for five months played exactly as they were projected to play.


I'd say four months but who the #### cares, I'm just annoyed. Can we please get this piece of #### out of the game and release him?
   297. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: September 25, 2011 at 11:03 PM (#3936075)
They played well above expectations for four months. You have to add in April to get the Sox down to their preseason projections.
   298. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: September 25, 2011 at 11:03 PM (#3936076)
And a team that traded Napoli for Vernon Wells and his contract shouldn't be rewarded with making a playoff spot.
How should the team that signed Lackey to a gigantic contract be rewarded?

Not that it matters. Today's loss ends the season for Anaheim. They're not sweeping Texas, and at this point it's far more likely that Texas sweeps the Angels instead, with Napoli homering every game to rub it in extra-good.
   299. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: September 25, 2011 at 11:03 PM (#3936077)
Holy crap, that 0-2 to Granderson was down the middle.
   300. Hugh Jorgan Posted: September 25, 2011 at 11:05 PM (#3936079)
Drew, Scutaro and Tek up...YES! Can it get any better?
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