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RedSox (88-69) @ Yankees (96-61), Sunday, September 25, 2011, 6:30pm

BOS: John Lackey (32, RHP, 12-12, 6.49)
NYY: Ivan Nova (24, RHP, 16-4, 3.62)

The Primer Chimp Posted: September 25, 2011 at 01:00 PM | 1094 comment(s)
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401. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: September 26, 2011 at 12:10 AM (#3936213)

That was pretty wacky.

402. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: September 26, 2011 at 12:11 AM (#3936215)

Look before you leap, 'toonie.

What the #### else was he supposed to do? That was the luckiest bounce in the history of wild pitches.

403. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: September 26, 2011 at 12:11 AM (#3936216)

How about some ####### runs here.

404. BDC

Posted: September 26, 2011 at 12:11 AM (#3936217)

Has any contending team, or any team, ever had two black pitchers as 1-2 in their rotation?

For the 1996 Rangers, Ken Hill and Darren Oliver had the two best ERAs among starters who were with them the whole season, and they started the second and third games of the ALDS after John Burkett, a deadline acquisition, started Game One. Not quite, perhaps, but close.

405. Esoteric throws a 'hard slider' Posted: September 26, 2011 at 12:11 AM (#3936218)

If it warn't for bad luck, the Red Sox wouldn't have no luck at all.

406. dave h Posted: September 26, 2011 at 12:11 AM (#3936219)

I don't think I've ever seen that many players converging on an outfield fly.

407. Cowboy Popup Posted: September 26, 2011 at 12:12 AM (#3936220)

Man, Lackey is freaking cruising. Two outs already.

408. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: September 26, 2011 at 12:12 AM (#3936221)

Man, anybody else see 4 guys converging on the pop-fly and instinctively imagine that a 4-way collision was the only appropriate outcome given the way things have been going for the Sox?

409. Esoteric throws a 'hard slider' Posted: September 26, 2011 at 12:13 AM (#3936222)

Man, anybody else see 4 guys converging on the pop-fly and instinctively imagine that a 4-way collision was the only appropriate outcome given the way things have been going for the Sox?

What, are you kidding? Of COURSE.

410. Jay Seaver Posted: September 26, 2011 at 12:14 AM (#3936223)

If that was Lackey's last inning, it was a Quality Start - possibly the least likely outcome I'd imagined this weekend.

411. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: September 26, 2011 at 12:14 AM (#3936224)

After I declared Lackey finished in the second, he's looked pretty good since. Credit where it's due.

412. dave h Posted: September 26, 2011 at 12:15 AM (#3936225)

It would be kinda sad/appropriate if Lackey and Co keep them to 3 runs for the rest of the game and lose 3-2.

413. dave h Posted: September 26, 2011 at 12:16 AM (#3936226)

For those watching NESN, was that a Bruin's ad or a clip from Youngblood?

414. The District Attorney Posted: September 26, 2011 at 12:16 AM (#3936227)

1970 Pirates, Bob Veale and Dock Ellis.

415. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: September 26, 2011 at 12:16 AM (#3936228)

Hey Joe, HOW ABOUT THE ####### BULLPEN?

416. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: September 26, 2011 at 12:17 AM (#3936229)

Giardi better have someone up.

417. Dan Posted: September 26, 2011 at 12:17 AM (#3936230)

Healthy Lowrie is pretty damn good at baseball. It's too bad his bones are made of paper maché.

418. Dan Posted: September 26, 2011 at 12:17 AM (#3936232)

What the #### is the point of running Aviles for Lowrie?

419. Jay Seaver Posted: September 26, 2011 at 12:18 AM (#3936235)

If you're going to pinch-run for Lowrie here, there is no good reason for Varitek to come to bat later in this inning.

420. dave h Posted: September 26, 2011 at 12:18 AM (#3936236)

Runner on 2nd, 0 outs, down by 1 is a situation made for J.D. Drew.

421. Benji Gil Gamesh Rises Posted: September 26, 2011 at 12:19 AM (#3936237)

MOMENTUM!!

422. Jay Seaver Posted: September 26, 2011 at 12:19 AM (#3936238)

HOLY CRAP DID YOU JUST SEE THAT?? THE RED SOX JUST CAME BACK TO TIE A GAME!

423. Cowboy Popup Posted: September 26, 2011 at 12:19 AM (#3936239)

Way Nova has been pitching since the end of the fifth, that was almost inevitable when Joe sent Nova out in the seventh.

424. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: September 26, 2011 at 12:19 AM (#3936240)

This inning is on Girardi.

425. Dan Posted: September 26, 2011 at 12:20 AM (#3936241)

Hey, how about that, a tie ball game.

But what the #### was the point of running for a guy who's been one of the only guys hitting well tonight with a guy who isn't even a good base runner or defender?

426. Benji Gil Gamesh Rises Posted: September 26, 2011 at 12:20 AM (#3936242)

ZOMBIE TEK!!!!

427. dave h Posted: September 26, 2011 at 12:20 AM (#3936243)

When was the last time the Sox were even ahead?

428. Jay Seaver Posted: September 26, 2011 at 12:20 AM (#3936245)

Varitek with the go-ahead RBI. I don't understand this game AT ALL.

429. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: September 26, 2011 at 12:21 AM (#3936246)

####### STUPID ####### GIRARDI.

#### YOU, YOU ####### FUCK.

430. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: September 26, 2011 at 12:21 AM (#3936247)

Nova really went to pieces quick. It happens.

431. Dan Posted: September 26, 2011 at 12:22 AM (#3936248)

Hooray, Varitek might be hurt!

432. Benji Gil Gamesh Rises Posted: September 26, 2011 at 12:22 AM (#3936249)

"That's still a horrible mistake by Tito to let Varitek bat there."
</Dan>

433. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: September 26, 2011 at 12:22 AM (#3936250)

####### STUPID ####### GIRARDI.

#### YOU, YOU ####### ####.

Seriously?

434. Benji Gil Gamesh Rises Posted: September 26, 2011 at 12:22 AM (#3936251)

Ah...so CoB is the Yankees' Phil Coorey I see?

435. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: September 26, 2011 at 12:22 AM (#3936252)

I'm confused. What happens when our team has more runs, in the aggregate, than the other team?

436. Jay Seaver Posted: September 26, 2011 at 12:23 AM (#3936253)

Folks, John Lackey is now in line for the win, and may deserve it.

437. boteman Posted: September 26, 2011 at 12:23 AM (#3936254)

This is the stuff I added to /etc/hosts:

In Windows it's in

C:\WINDOWS\system32\drivers\etc\hosts

#for disabling ads on mlb.com
127.0.0.1 ad.auditude.com
127.0.0.1 asset.auditude.com
127.0.0.1 click.auditude.com 

FYI, I run Firefox with AdBlockPlus which makes life unbelievably sweeter for me. Don't think it would help with mlb.tv though.

438. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: September 26, 2011 at 12:23 AM (#3936255)

How can anyone be mad at Girardi? His job isn't even to win the game, it's to prepare for the playoffs.

439. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: September 26, 2011 at 12:23 AM (#3936256)

Folks, John Lackey is now in line for the win, and may deserve it.

What, is Dr. Jinxtable now making house calls to chatter?

440. Darren

Posted: September 26, 2011 at 12:24 AM (#3936257)

Hey, fellas. I had a really great day today and just couldn't get sucked into the Red Sox debacle. But then I felt bad, like I was abandoning my Sox-fan brethren and thought I should just check in and let you know that I care. I'm with you, my brohammers.

441. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: September 26, 2011 at 12:24 AM (#3936258)

I think they're saying Lowrie managed to hurt himself again.

442. Jay Seaver Posted: September 26, 2011 at 12:25 AM (#3936260)

439 - Heh, I didn't even think of it in that terms. It just seemed like such a strange situation that it deserved to be noted.

443. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: September 26, 2011 at 12:26 AM (#3936262)

Seriously?

Yes, seriously.

Nova started elevating in the 5th.

He continued to get the ball up in the 6th and only a bloody miracle of a flukey play on a wild pitch he airmailed over Romine's head kept the Sox from at least tying the ballgame in that inning.

A prudent, thoughtful manager, might have taken a look at what was happening right in front of his eyes and at least had somebody warming for the 7th. Though as said on the last page, I'd have pulled Nova after the 6th.

Done is done.

444. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: September 26, 2011 at 12:27 AM (#3936263)

Drinking a modified Corpse Reviver #1. Apple brandy, sweet vermouth, benedictine, bitters. That part of tonight is going well.

445. Banta Posted: September 26, 2011 at 12:27 AM (#3936264)

Hello Red Sox Nation.

I'm following this game on Gameday and something smacked me right in the face... I knew that Ellsbury was having an MVP-like season, but I had no ####### idea he had anywhere close to 30 homeruns. How the hell did that happen?

446. Cowboy Popup Posted: September 26, 2011 at 12:28 AM (#3936265)

Another unusual way to get out of the inning. Is MLB.com really gonna stuff God Bless America down my throat too? I thought that was just a YES thing.

447. Jay Seaver Posted: September 26, 2011 at 12:28 AM (#3936266)

Aaaah, running into an out on the basepaths. This team has forgotten what to do with a lead.

448. Dan Posted: September 26, 2011 at 12:28 AM (#3936267)

I think they're saying Lowrie managed to hurt himself again.

Did they really or were you confused with them talking about Varitek hurting and being PR for?

It seems like 50% of the time Francona used a pinch runner the guy gets picked off.

449. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: September 26, 2011 at 12:28 AM (#3936268)

Done is done.

I agree. And I think Joe was a little slow with the hook. But given the circumstances of this game, a post with as many #### as actual words seems a rather disproportionate reaction.

450. Dan Posted: September 26, 2011 at 12:28 AM (#3936269)

Why does NESN feel they have to keep it on GBA?

451. boteman Posted: September 26, 2011 at 12:28 AM (#3936270)

God Bless America is our replacement national anthem, haven't you heard?

452. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: September 26, 2011 at 12:29 AM (#3936271)

CoB, yes he was but it's more useful for Girardi to see how he pulls it together without his best stuff than it is to run through the pen.

453. Dan Posted: September 26, 2011 at 12:29 AM (#3936273)

I'm following this game on Gameday and something smacked me right in the face... I knew that Ellsbury was having an MVP-like season, but I had no ####### idea he had anywhere close to 30 homeruns. How the hell did that happen?

I can't believe he hasn't been getting more ink as a candidate honestly.

454. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: September 26, 2011 at 12:30 AM (#3936274)

If they don't show GBA then they hate America.

I have no faith we are going to win.

455. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: September 26, 2011 at 12:30 AM (#3936275)

I knew that Ellsbury was having an MVP-like season, but I had no ####### idea he had anywhere close to 30 homeruns. How the hell did that happen?

He's always been athletic, reasonably strong. He came back from the last year another touch stronger. Beyond that, he's swinging harder - he used to occasionally use this little slappy swing, now he only swings hard with a small uppercut. His K rate has increased a bit, but it's been worth it.

456. Jay Seaver Posted: September 26, 2011 at 12:30 AM (#3936276)

445 - He is really, really good at baseball.

More seriously, he's a young guy gaining some power, and last year's absence hid the upward trend.

457. Benji Gil Gamesh Rises Posted: September 26, 2011 at 12:31 AM (#3936277)

People are going to lose their #### if Lackey comes back out aren't they?

458. Jay Seaver Posted: September 26, 2011 at 12:32 AM (#3936278)

457 - Nah. I've accepted that what makes sense has no bearing on what works tonight.

459. Dan Posted: September 26, 2011 at 12:32 AM (#3936279)

More seriously, he's a young guy gaining some power, and last year's absence hid the upward trend.

I don't think it was a trend at all. He stopped using his stupid little slap swing, and he vastly increased his core strength rehabbing from the rib injuries. He always used the power swing from time to time (I remember him hitting 2 or 3 homers off Roy Halladay into the bullpen at Fenway). He now uses that swing all the time.

He's a completely different hitter now.

460. NJ in NY Posted: September 26, 2011 at 12:32 AM (#3936280)

I agree. And I think Joe was a little slow with the hook. But given the circumstances of this game, a post with as many #### as actual words seems a rather disproportionate reaction.

As someone who would like nothing more than to see the Red Sox not make the playoffs, no offense to the gents here, I think that reaction was appropriate.

461. Dan Posted: September 26, 2011 at 12:33 AM (#3936281)

Why even start Lackey for the 6th? That seems like asking for trouble.

You got 6 solid innings from the guy. Take them and run.

462. Textbook Editor Posted: September 26, 2011 at 12:33 AM (#3936282)

Dear Tito,

Where was this hook the last 4 weeks?

Sincerely,
TE

463. Cowboy Popup Posted: September 26, 2011 at 12:33 AM (#3936283)

But given the circumstances of this game, a post with as many #### as actual words seems a rather disproportionate reaction.

If Joe has Montero bunt here, I'm gonna drop some #s myself.

464. boteman Posted: September 26, 2011 at 12:33 AM (#3936284)

John Lackey leaves with the lead.

A sentence not expected to be seen tonight.

465. Banta Posted: September 26, 2011 at 12:35 AM (#3936287)

he used to occasionally use this little slappy swing

Having not watched a ton of Red Sox games, this is the mental image I had of him.

It's just quite a jump. I understand young players developing power, but jeez. 30 homeruns is no joke. I mean, thirty DOUBLES would have been a new career high for him. And his minor league track record didn't exactly show that this could come down the road.

I'm thinking his development is as surprising, or maybe even more, than Granderson's amazing year this year. And I've heard waaaay more about Granderson.

466. Dan Posted: September 26, 2011 at 12:35 AM (#3936288)

Varitek getting hurt may have been the biggest boost to the Sox playoff chances in weeks. Now Beckett can start tomorrow with a real catcher behind the plate.

467. Jay Seaver Posted: September 26, 2011 at 12:36 AM (#3936289)

Considering that his teammates reportedly really like John Lackey, he must be the most gregarious and charming guy imaginable four out of five days to balance out what a ######## he seems to be on game days.

468. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: September 26, 2011 at 12:36 AM (#3936290)

Wait, did Lackey just give Francona attitude there???

Unbelievable.

469. Cowboy Popup Posted: September 26, 2011 at 12:36 AM (#3936291)

Those wild pitches are bouncing back hard tonight. Is that backstop made of rubber?

470. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: September 26, 2011 at 12:36 AM (#3936295)

Gardner now up to 48 of 61, including 34 of the last 37. That's pretty good.

471. Dan Posted: September 26, 2011 at 12:37 AM (#3936296)

He used the "little slappy swing" more than occasionally. More like 80% of the time.

472. Dan Posted: September 26, 2011 at 12:39 AM (#3936298)

I'm thinking his development is as surprising, or maybe even more, than Granderson's amazing year this year. And I've heard waaaay more about Granderson.

Ellsbury's development is FAR more surprising than Granderson. Granderson hit 30 homers a few years ago playing half his games at freaking Comerica. Hitting 40+ after moving to NYS shouldn't be a surprise at all, honestly. The fact that he's now hitting lefties is surprising, but the overall line really isn't.

473. Cowboy Popup Posted: September 26, 2011 at 12:39 AM (#3936299)

Gardner now up to 48 of 61, including 34 of the last 37. That's pretty good.

Yeah, especially considering how he started the season. Makes it that much harder for Crisp to catch him for the league lead too!

474. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: September 26, 2011 at 12:39 AM (#3936300)

Got the runner over.

Okay, Dickerson, get him in.

475. Cowboy Popup Posted: September 26, 2011 at 12:41 AM (#3936303)

Tie game!

476. Jay Seaver Posted: September 26, 2011 at 12:41 AM (#3936304)

So Lackey gets neither the win nor the quality start. Order kind of restored.

Dammit.

477. BDC

Posted: September 26, 2011 at 12:42 AM (#3936306)

Weird, on the Yahoo box scores they had Aceves in a Yankee hat and Dickerson in a Reds hat. I don't know who's playing for who.

478. Benji Gil Gamesh Rises Posted: September 26, 2011 at 12:44 AM (#3936309)

The unassisted triple play may be the rarest play in baseball, but it is not the hardest.

479. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: September 26, 2011 at 12:46 AM (#3936311)

The unassisted triple play may be the rarest play in baseball, but it is not the hardest.

I've always hated that about that ad. Glad to see I'm not the only one.

Giardi is apparently only kind-of trying here. He's using Soriano, but he's also still saving A-Rod.

480. Esoteric throws a 'hard slider' Posted: September 26, 2011 at 12:47 AM (#3936312)

Honestly, I have a bad feeling about this game. I think the Red Sox will win.

481. Banta Posted: September 26, 2011 at 12:47 AM (#3936313)

The unassisted triple play may be the rarest play in baseball, but it is not the hardest.

I get a bit too emotional over that commercial.

482. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: September 26, 2011 at 12:47 AM (#3936314)

That's a Romine Rocket!

483. Esoteric throws a 'hard slider' Posted: September 26, 2011 at 12:47 AM (#3936315)

...AAAND just like that Crawford gets caught stealing.

484. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: September 26, 2011 at 12:47 AM (#3936316)

Lettuce all praise Romine for that throw!

485. Jay Seaver Posted: September 26, 2011 at 12:47 AM (#3936317)

Aaaand thanks, Carl.

486. Hugh Jorgan Posted: September 26, 2011 at 12:47 AM (#3936318)

crawford batting second again, what stroke of genius is this! 2 hits already.

487. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: September 26, 2011 at 12:47 AM (#3936319)

Jesus Christ. Perfect pitch to throw on, perfect throw. ####### Yankees.

488. Cowboy Popup Posted: September 26, 2011 at 12:48 AM (#3936320)

The unassisted triple play may be the rarest play in baseball, but it is not the hardest.

Yes! I got a hard core eye roll from my wife when I went into how much I hated that commercial the other day.

I've always hated that about that ad. Glad to see I'm not the only one.

Me too!

Nice throw by Romine.

489. Dan Posted: September 26, 2011 at 12:48 AM (#3936321)

Laird might be better defensively than a hurt ARod.

Crawford....

490. Hugh Jorgan Posted: September 26, 2011 at 12:48 AM (#3936322)

sh*t spoke too soon, just got thrown out. Man, I hate crawford.

491. Jolly Old St. Nick Done Jumped The Ship

Posted: September 26, 2011 at 12:48 AM (#3936323)

Romine is officially a True Yankee.

492. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: September 26, 2011 at 12:48 AM (#3936324)

I'm just glad that Cawford ran in a big spot for once.

493. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: September 26, 2011 at 12:48 AM (#3936325)

I really don't have a problem with Carl running there. Anything but a fastball up, anything but a perfect strike to Cano, and he's safe.

494. Dan Posted: September 26, 2011 at 12:48 AM (#3936326)

crawford batting second again, what stroke of genius is this! 2 hits already.

Getting a hit and then getting caught stealing doesn't really accomplish much.

495. Textbook Editor Posted: September 26, 2011 at 12:49 AM (#3936328)

I'm just wondering what new form of awfulness will be on display for us to lose this game.

I'm also amused by the fact that in about 48 hours we could officially be eliminated from the playoffs, should we lose tonight and lose the next two while TB wins. To not even be in contention the last day of the season would somehow be a fitting end to this awfulness.

496. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: September 26, 2011 at 12:49 AM (#3936329)

[489] Alex has been looking positively spry in the field since he came back.

He had a game last week where he made 2 great diving plays, one to his right and one to his left, to take sure base hits away.

497. Dan Posted: September 26, 2011 at 12:50 AM (#3936330)

I'm just glad that Cawford ran in a big spot for once.

The problem is that getting caught means he probably won't run in a big spot for the rest of the season.

498. Benji Gil Gamesh Rises Posted: September 26, 2011 at 12:53 AM (#3936333)

That's a very good little piece of analysis there by Verducci on Crawford's first step on the steal.

499. Textbook Editor Posted: September 26, 2011 at 12:54 AM (#3936334)

I'm sorry, but short of a GS like Drew's in the ALCS in 2007, I don't see anything redeeming Crawford for the remainder of his contract. He never was an OBP guy, and his "speed" has been basically nonexistent this year. And now he's a terrible LF to boot. I suppose I'm just waking up to the fact I totally dislike Carl Crawford.

500. Dan Posted: September 26, 2011 at 12:54 AM (#3936335)

That's a very good little piece of analysis there by Verducci on Crawford's first step on the steal.

What did he say? (I've got NESN feed on MLB.tv)

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