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RedSox (88-69) @ Yankees (96-61), Sunday, September 25, 2011, 6:30pm

BOS: John Lackey (32, RHP, 12-12, 6.49)
NYY: Ivan Nova (24, RHP, 16-4, 3.62)

The Primer Chimp Posted: September 25, 2011 at 01:00 PM | 1094 comment(s)
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501. boteman Posted: September 26, 2011 at 12:55 AM (#3936336)

Which Bard tonight? Good or bad?

502. Textbook Editor Posted: September 26, 2011 at 12:55 AM (#3936337)

Now this pitching change is a bit weird; it's like they're tempting the gods for Cano to hit a HR off Bard here.

503. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: September 26, 2011 at 12:55 AM (#3936338)

Hmmm ... Cano vs Bard ... that's a marquee match-up!

Still, given how Aceves was throwing, this seems a bit of over-managing.

504. Benji Gil Gamesh Rises Posted: September 26, 2011 at 12:56 AM (#3936339)

Dan, they basically pointed out that not only did CC not cross over on his first step, but his right foot basically took a half-step *backward*.

505. Hugh Jorgan Posted: September 26, 2011 at 12:56 AM (#3936340)

I'm just wondering what new form of awfulness will be on display for us to lose this game

No f*cking way. We are winning this f*cking thing AND this will be the BIG turnaround!

506. Dan Posted: September 26, 2011 at 12:56 AM (#3936341)

I'm sorry, but short of a GS like Drew's in the ALCS in 2007, I don't see anything redeeming Crawford for the remainder of his contract. He never was an OBP guy, and his "speed" has been basically nonexistent this year. And now he's a terrible LF to boot. I suppose I'm just waking up to the fact I totally dislike Carl Crawford.

Honestly I'd be happy if he'd just go back to playing good defense. It's one thing to suck at Fenway (Monster, a year apparently isn't long enough to play it, etc.), but even on the road his defense has been just awful.

507. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: September 26, 2011 at 12:56 AM (#3936342)

I'm sorry, but short of a GS like Drew's in the ALCS in 2007, I don't see anything redeeming Crawford for the remainder of his contract. He never was an OBP guy, and his "speed" has been basically nonexistent this year. And now he's a terrible LF to boot. I suppose I'm just waking up to the fact I totally dislike Carl Crawford.

All he has to do is hit 300/360/460 with 40 steals and good defense. He was that good just a year ago, no reason he couldn't be again.

508. Orange & Blue Velvet Posted: September 26, 2011 at 12:56 AM (#3936343)

My first thought was that taking out Aceves for Bard is an annoying bit of overmanaging. Am I wrong?

509. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: September 26, 2011 at 12:58 AM (#3936345)

My first thought was that taking out Aceves for Bard is an annoying bit of overmanaging. Am I wrong?

Bard is a much better pitcher than Aceves. You get your best pitcher in there.

510. Dan Posted: September 26, 2011 at 12:58 AM (#3936346)

Dan, they basically pointed out that not only did CC not cross over on his first step, but his right foot basically took a half-step *backward*.

Yikes. That kinda explains why he's been awful at stealing bags, if his first step is all wrong.

Isn't that the sort of thing a coach should notice and fix?

511. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: September 26, 2011 at 12:58 AM (#3936349)

Dan, they basically pointed out that not only did CC not cross over on his first step, but his right foot basically took a half-step *backward*.

Wow. He's a mess, ain't he?

512. Phil Coorey. Posted: September 26, 2011 at 12:59 AM (#3936350)

What a ####### fiasco

513. Hugh Jorgan Posted: September 26, 2011 at 12:59 AM (#3936351)

overmanaging pays off this time.Now let's get one f*cking run and win this damn thing...just for once.

514. Benji Gil Gamesh Rises Posted: September 26, 2011 at 12:59 AM (#3936352)

All he has to do is hit 300/360/460 with 40 steals and good defense. He was that good just a year ago, no reason he couldn't be again.

This. Beckett was terrible his first year in Boston, too.

Watch this ####### game go 15.

515. Phil Coorey. Posted: September 26, 2011 at 01:01 AM (#3936353)

Ah...so CoB is the Yankees' Phil Coorey I see?

There's only one Phil Coorey....

516. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: September 26, 2011 at 01:01 AM (#3936354)

Alrighty, how about a 1-2-3 from Mo and then a Pie-ing in the home half.

Seems only appropriate given how well Burnett pitching in the opener.

517. Jay Seaver Posted: September 26, 2011 at 01:01 AM (#3936355)

Phil, if this is a fiasco, there aren't words for the rest of September.

518. Hugh Jorgan Posted: September 26, 2011 at 01:03 AM (#3936356)

Quick bring in Dave Roberts to pinch run!

519. Phil Coorey. Posted: September 26, 2011 at 01:03 AM (#3936357)

Phil, if this is a fiasco, there aren't words for the rest of September.

That's what I'm talking about - looking forward to this all being over soon I think

520. The District Attorney Posted: September 26, 2011 at 01:03 AM (#3936358)

Wait, didn't they trade Lars Anderson?? Or was it for Harden and then it didn't happen?

521. Jay Seaver Posted: September 26, 2011 at 01:03 AM (#3936359)

On the one hand, this looks headed for extras and I hate to lose Gonzo for the rest of the game. On the other hand, he is very, very slow.

522. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: September 26, 2011 at 01:03 AM (#3936361)

Adrian Gonzalez is so, so slow post injury I almost don't hate this PR decision as much as I usually do. But I don't like it.

523. Dan Posted: September 26, 2011 at 01:04 AM (#3936362)

Going to be fun when this goes 15 innings and Francona has pinch run for every single starter.

524. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: September 26, 2011 at 01:04 AM (#3936363)

Wait, didn't they trade Lars Anderson?? Or was it for Harden and then it didn't happen?

No, yes, yes.

525. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: September 26, 2011 at 01:04 AM (#3936364)

Somehow, this is totally set up for Drew to come through here.

526. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: September 26, 2011 at 01:05 AM (#3936365)

Or not.

527. Hugh Jorgan Posted: September 26, 2011 at 01:05 AM (#3936366)

small ball baby, this is what we need to end the slide.

528. Lassus Posted: September 26, 2011 at 01:05 AM (#3936367)

Boston did this pinch-run thing for Manny Ramirez once in an extra-inning game that they seemed to lose as a result.

529. Lassus Posted: September 26, 2011 at 01:05 AM (#3936368)

In 2005

530. Scoriano Flitcraft Posted: September 26, 2011 at 01:05 AM (#3936369)

Mo is laughing. I don't think he is taking this very seriously.

531. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: September 26, 2011 at 01:05 AM (#3936370)

Wait, what?

WTF????

532. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: September 26, 2011 at 01:06 AM (#3936371)

There's only one Phil Coorey....

And thank goodness for that!

(I kid, Phil, we love you.)

533. The District Attorney Posted: September 26, 2011 at 01:06 AM (#3936372)

BINDER!

534. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: September 26, 2011 at 01:06 AM (#3936373)

Marcus Scutaro vs Mo ... wait ... what??????

Wow.

That's ... unexpected.

535. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: September 26, 2011 at 01:06 AM (#3936374)

...we're intentionally walking Marco Scutaro?

536. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: September 26, 2011 at 01:06 AM (#3936375)

I mean, it's not like Salty is likely to do anything useful, but this is weird and hilarious.

537. Jay Seaver Posted: September 26, 2011 at 01:06 AM (#3936376)

This is the sort of IBB that immediately bites managers in the ass in a just world.

538. Dan Posted: September 26, 2011 at 01:06 AM (#3936377)

Which move was dumber? The sac bunt or the IBB here?

539. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: September 26, 2011 at 01:07 AM (#3936378)

First pitch to Salty was a bad cutter, over the plate with little movement.

540. Benji Gil Gamesh Rises Posted: September 26, 2011 at 01:07 AM (#3936379)

Be interesting to see if Girardi tries this hard next series.

541. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: September 26, 2011 at 01:07 AM (#3936380)

Usually that's a strike for Rivera.

542. Scoriano Flitcraft Posted: September 26, 2011 at 01:08 AM (#3936381)

Mo.

He got his work in tonight. You won't see him again in this game.

543. Jay Seaver Posted: September 26, 2011 at 01:08 AM (#3936382)

No justice.

544. Accent Shallow Posted: September 26, 2011 at 01:08 AM (#3936383)

It paid off, but that's 100% crazypants.

545. The District Attorney Posted: September 26, 2011 at 01:08 AM (#3936384)

THE BINDER KNOWS

546. Dan Posted: September 26, 2011 at 01:09 AM (#3936385)

Cool. And now our offense and defense is weakened by subbing Lars for Adrian. ####### brilliant.

547. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: September 26, 2011 at 01:09 AM (#3936386)

I can only assume Mo was just laughing at Giardi telling him to walk Scutaro. That's good fun.

548. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: September 26, 2011 at 01:09 AM (#3936387)

Alright, time for pie.

549. Lassus Posted: September 26, 2011 at 01:09 AM (#3936388)

Be interesting to see if Girardi tries this hard next series.

If he doesn't, I wouldn't count it as improper.

550. Benji Gil Gamesh Rises Posted: September 26, 2011 at 01:09 AM (#3936389)

In a tie game, I think that's defensible. Salty is much, much more likely to K.

551. Phil Coorey. Posted: September 26, 2011 at 01:10 AM (#3936390)

Hey RB - at least the Hammers have a few testicles left I guess

552. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: September 26, 2011 at 01:11 AM (#3936391)

In a tie game, I think that's defensible. Salty is much, much more likely to K.

But there's two outs. Ks are just any other out.

553. salajander Posted: September 26, 2011 at 01:11 AM (#3936393)

Scutaro has hit Rivera pretty well lately. It's a decent move, but still pretty hilarious.

554. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: September 26, 2011 at 01:12 AM (#3936394)

I don't think I've ever seen an umpire call Balls and STRIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII-EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEKS quite like who ever is behind the plate tonight ...

555. Benji Gil Gamesh Rises Posted: September 26, 2011 at 01:13 AM (#3936395)

But there's two outs. Ks are just any other out.

Sorry, should have said "much less likely to make contact" -- i.e. get lucky with a little bloop or something. Plus Rivera is still tougher on lefties than righties, right?

556. Benji Gil Gamesh Rises Posted: September 26, 2011 at 01:14 AM (#3936396)

I don't think I've ever seen an umpire call Balls and STRIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII-EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEKS quite like who ever is behind the plate tonight ...

Sounds like someone mimicking the Family Feud buzzer.

557. salajander Posted: September 26, 2011 at 01:15 AM (#3936399)

Pet peeve: I hate the 3-2 pitch being called the "payoff" pitch.

558. Benji Gil Gamesh Rises Posted: September 26, 2011 at 01:17 AM (#3936400)

Pet peeve: I hate the 3-2 pitch being called the "payoff" pitch.

It's always bothered me when they say the count is "even" at 1-1 or 2-2. It's not really even.

559. The Long Arm of Rudy Law Posted: September 26, 2011 at 01:18 AM (#3936401)

Pet peeve: I hate the 3-2 pitch being called the "payoff" pitch.

I'd like to see "payoff pitch" replaced with "Here comes the money shot!"

560. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: September 26, 2011 at 01:18 AM (#3936402)

Hey RB - at least the Hammers have a few testicles left I guess

They've been looking good, as they should be in that League. I'd be a happy guy if they could just plant themselves in one of the automatic promotion spots though.

561. Dan Posted: September 26, 2011 at 01:21 AM (#3936403)

Bard is going to blow this.

562. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: September 26, 2011 at 01:22 AM (#3936405)

Bah.

Steal, then swing.

563. Jay Seaver Posted: September 26, 2011 at 01:22 AM (#3936406)

I was about to make a comment about how Adrian would have made a double play out of that, but clearly that wasn't happening.

564. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: September 26, 2011 at 01:23 AM (#3936407)

If you're not putting Papelbon into this game, why warm him up?

565. Benji Gil Gamesh Rises Posted: September 26, 2011 at 01:24 AM (#3936408)

In the event that Bard had, for example, just lost the strize zone and walked Gardner or something.

566. The District Attorney Posted: September 26, 2011 at 01:25 AM (#3936409)

I don't know how to pitch to hiiiiiiiiiiim...

567. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: September 26, 2011 at 01:25 AM (#3936410)

Papelbon's pitching the 10th. He was gonna come on if there were two on. That didn't seem weird to me.

568. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: September 26, 2011 at 01:25 AM (#3936412)

Oh, baby, it MUST be time to praise Jesus, right?

What would be MORE perfect than Jesus getting pied tonight?

Oh, #### off, Tito ...

569. Jay Seaver Posted: September 26, 2011 at 01:25 AM (#3936413)

564 - Bard is good for an inning and a third, and I'd rather have a fresh Paps for the 10th.

Oh, enough with the IBBs all around.

Also, expanded rosters are BS.

570. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: September 26, 2011 at 01:25 AM (#3936414)

Oh #### me. I thought the inning was over. I guess I should have had one fewer drinks.

571. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: September 26, 2011 at 01:26 AM (#3936416)

Actually, I've answered my own question ... Cletus getting the walk off hit, in likely his last regular season Yankees game, would be more perfect!

572. Jim Wisinski

Posted: September 26, 2011 at 01:26 AM (#3936417)

Honestly I'd be happy if he'd just go back to playing good defense. It's one thing to suck at Fenway (Monster, a year apparently isn't long enough to play it, etc.), but even on the road his defense has been just awful.

Crawford always did well fielding at Fenway with the Rays (and had 75 career starts there as a visitor), that wouldn't be any excuse even if he was fielding fine on the road.

573. Benji Gil Gamesh Rises Posted: September 26, 2011 at 01:27 AM (#3936418)

Ok, can someone explain the "pie" thing to me?

574. Phil Coorey. Posted: September 26, 2011 at 01:27 AM (#3936419)

Bard is due for another loss

575. Jay Seaver Posted: September 26, 2011 at 01:28 AM (#3936420)

THE STRIKE ZONE IS DOWN THERE, BARD!

576. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: September 26, 2011 at 01:28 AM (#3936421)

Oh look, you give a pointless IBB and now he can't throw a strike after. That's never happened before.

577. Mattbert Posted: September 26, 2011 at 01:28 AM (#3936422)

It is a little weird not to have my heart pounding in this situation. That is really the only nice thing about this team being totally dead to me.

578. Dan Posted: September 26, 2011 at 01:28 AM (#3936423)

Bard has completely lost it. Papelbon needs to be in this game..

579. Lassus Posted: September 26, 2011 at 01:29 AM (#3936424)

So, shouldn't it be time for Papelbon now?

580. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: September 26, 2011 at 01:29 AM (#3936425)

That's it for Bard, right?

581. Dan Posted: September 26, 2011 at 01:29 AM (#3936426)

Crawford always did well fielding at Fenway with the Rays (and had 75 career starts there as a visitor), that wouldn't be any excuse even if he was fielding fine on the road.

Oh, I know. Apologists have been saying he just needs more time to learn to play the Green Monster.

582. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: September 26, 2011 at 01:29 AM (#3936427)

The Red Sox rarely punish other teams for stupid IBBs. It seems appropriate that they'll lose by trying the strategy themselves.

583. Answer Guy Posted: September 26, 2011 at 01:29 AM (#3936429)

It is a little weird not to have my heart pounding in this situation. That is really the only nice thing about this team being totally dead to me.

Yeah, I know. It still hurts a little of course. But one way or another, this nightmare of a month ends soon.

584. Benji Gil Gamesh Rises Posted: September 26, 2011 at 01:29 AM (#3936430)

So Girardi has to PH with Martin or ARod here, right?

585. Jay Seaver Posted: September 26, 2011 at 01:30 AM (#3936431)

Obviously, the Red Sox think that it being impossible to get a hit with the bases loaded applies to other teams.

586. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: September 26, 2011 at 01:32 AM (#3936432)

I think I'd go with Martin or Rodriguez here.

But who knows, maybe Romine, who grew up a Red Sox fan, has a magic moment here.

587. boteman Posted: September 26, 2011 at 01:32 AM (#3936433)

How many friggin catchers do the Yankees have available right now?

588. Jay Seaver Posted: September 26, 2011 at 01:32 AM (#3936435)

One out, Paps. No choice.

589. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: September 26, 2011 at 01:32 AM (#3936436)

At least Girardi is sparing us from losing to Jeter or ARod right here.

590. Scoriano Flitcraft Posted: September 26, 2011 at 01:33 AM (#3936437)

So Girardi has to PH with Martin or ARod here, right?

Nope. The outcome of this game means little to nothing to Girardi.

591. BDC

Posted: September 26, 2011 at 01:33 AM (#3936438)

Weird that he'd leave Romine in with several Hall of Famers on the bench.

592. Dan Posted: September 26, 2011 at 01:33 AM (#3936439)

How do people feel about possibly converting Bard to a starter? He has the 4-seamer, 2-seamer, slider (that he somethings makes more a of slurve or curve), and the change up. And the Sox need starting depth. And Bard seems to lack that killer instinct high leverage relievers need.

593. Answer Guy Posted: September 26, 2011 at 01:33 AM (#3936440)

Yeah, weird. I'd have batted ARod here were I Girardi.

594. Benji Gil Gamesh Rises Posted: September 26, 2011 at 01:33 AM (#3936441)

Is he any relation to Kevin?

595. Answer Guy Posted: September 26, 2011 at 01:33 AM (#3936442)

Yes. His son.

596. Der_K Posted: September 26, 2011 at 01:34 AM (#3936443)

Honestly, I'd think hat the Yans would want to stick a knife in Boston's back, just on principle.

597. Der_K Posted: September 26, 2011 at 01:34 AM (#3936444)

...as Romine can't hit.

598. Dan Posted: September 26, 2011 at 01:34 AM (#3936445)

To clarify, I'm not saying Bard isn't clutch or that he's a choker or anything, I just think he's a bit too cerebral to be that lockdown closer type like a guy like Papelbon or BIlly Wagner, etc.

599. Benji Gil Gamesh Rises Posted: September 26, 2011 at 01:34 AM (#3936447)

How do people feel about possibly converting Bard to a starter? He has the 4-seamer, 2-seamer, slider (that he somethings makes more a of slurve or curve), and the change up. And the Sox need starting depth. And Bard seems to lack that killer instinct high leverage relievers need.

Dumb.

600. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: September 26, 2011 at 01:36 AM (#3936449)

Honestly, I'd think hat the Yans would want to stick a knife in Boston's back, just on principle.

When "The Binder" speaks, Girardi is powerless in its thrall, like some sap before a dame in a pulpy noir novel ...

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