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Yankees (81-52) @ RedSox (82-52), Wednesday, August 31, 2011, 7:10pm

NYY: Phil Hughes (25, RHP, 4-4, 6.46)
BOS: Josh Beckett (31, RHP, 11-5, 2.43)

The Primer Chimp Posted: August 31, 2011 at 01:00 PM | 302 comment(s)
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101. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: September 01, 2011 at 12:19 AM (#3913976)

#### JoeyJoeJoe AND his binder.

102. Dan Posted: September 01, 2011 at 12:19 AM (#3913977)

I absolutely love watching Joe Girardi's overmanaging backfire. Love it.

103. Cowboy Popup Posted: September 01, 2011 at 12:20 AM (#3913979)

[94] When the binder calls, there is no refusing ...

What's remarkable is how frequently the decision doesn't work, yet he continues to do it.

Still better than Torre though.

104. ray james Posted: September 01, 2011 at 12:20 AM (#3913980)

I'm not getting the Binder reference.

105. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: September 01, 2011 at 12:20 AM (#3913981)

Oh, looky, Phil's down to 92 already ...

106. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: September 01, 2011 at 12:21 AM (#3913982)

Jeez Crawford, you just got challenged and defeated.

107. ray james Posted: September 01, 2011 at 12:21 AM (#3913983)

What's remarkable is how frequently the decision doesn't work, yet he continues to do it.

That's nothing compared to Grady Little's love of running on a full count with 1 out.

108. Dan Posted: September 01, 2011 at 12:21 AM (#3913984)

Strangely, Lowrie has been better lefty than righty since coming back off the DL.

Hahaha Ellsbury clapped when he scored.

109. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: September 01, 2011 at 12:22 AM (#3913985)

[103] Nothing is better than the pinch "stand there" who never comes around to score, late in games!

110. Cowboy Popup Posted: September 01, 2011 at 12:22 AM (#3913986)

I'm not getting the Binder reference.

You know how football coaches have charts that tell them when to go for two. Joe has that for IBBs and sacrifice bunts and probably a host of other decisions for which it is inappropriate, all in one big binder of stupid ####### ideas.

Nice bounce back Hughes.

ESPN is trying to convince me that when Ellsbury scored he did...something to show up Cervelli. Of course, no such thing happened. Pathetic.

111. Dan Posted: September 01, 2011 at 12:23 AM (#3913987)

Hughes down around 2 MPH since the first

112. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: September 01, 2011 at 12:25 AM (#3913990)

[110] Well, I'm afraid that's on you, for deciding to continue to listen to a 4-letter network broadcast that features BOTH Schilling AND Nomar.

113. Cowboy Popup Posted: September 01, 2011 at 12:25 AM (#3913991)

@ 111, Maybe Hughes needs to start doing leg lifts and more intense running. If an old man like Colon can maintain his velocity all game, there's no reason for Hughes to start losing steam in the third. Or maybe he just isn't built to start, since he's had this problem for a while now (although not at the beginning of last year IIRC).

114. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: September 01, 2011 at 12:25 AM (#3913992)

[112] ;-)

115. Cowboy Popup Posted: September 01, 2011 at 12:26 AM (#3913993)

[110] Well, I'm afraid that's on you, for deciding to continue to listen to a 4-letter network broadcast that features BOTH Schilling AND Nomar.

I know I should mute it, but I like the sounds of the game. I wish there was a no announcer option, I would sign up for that in a minute.

116. NJ in NY Posted: September 01, 2011 at 12:26 AM (#3913994)

For the record...the Yankees are apparently having a Binder Day at some point this weekend, which is hilarious to me.

117. Dan Posted: September 01, 2011 at 12:26 AM (#3913995)

Lackey's velocity charts during the last few months have been carbon copies of the Hughes chart, FWIW. He comes out throwing 94-95 and he's down to 92-93 in the third, and 90-91 in the 5th.

118. Joe Bivens, Minor Genius Posted: September 01, 2011 at 12:27 AM (#3913996)

The fans should litter the field with them.

119. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: September 01, 2011 at 12:27 AM (#3913997)

Yeah, I've got NO problems with drilling Frankie Brains.

120. Cowboy Popup Posted: September 01, 2011 at 12:28 AM (#3913998)

And I don't think Schilling is all that bad. Nomar is absolutely horrific. He says a shocking number of things that simply don't make sense. Even the guys in the booth don't know how to respond sometimes.

121. ray james Posted: September 01, 2011 at 12:28 AM (#3913999)

@ 111, Maybe Hughes needs to start doing leg lifts and more intense running.

122. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: September 01, 2011 at 12:28 AM (#3914000)

Hey Phil, *that's* what a CURVEBALL is supposed to look like.

123. ray james Posted: September 01, 2011 at 12:29 AM (#3914002)

Oh, Jesus. That's a strike.

Schilling ripping on Rapuano's strike zone last night, but lauding him overall.

124. Dan Posted: September 01, 2011 at 12:30 AM (#3914004)

For the record...the Yankees are apparently having a Binder Day at some point this weekend, which is hilarious to me.

I will admit that is very awesome.

125. Dan Posted: September 01, 2011 at 12:31 AM (#3914005)

I think a better idea is for Hughes to learn to get hitters out with 92 stuff. Then he'll go deeper in games and has the ability to dial it up on key pitches.. Maybe learn to throw a cutter or something.

Doesn't Hughes already use a cutter?

I think the Yankees should just make Hughes into Mariano's successor. Robertson is very good but to me he walks too many guys to be a great closer. See Marmol. Sometimes Marmol (usually) is great, but occasionally he comes out and walks the world and blows a game.

126. Cowboy Popup Posted: September 01, 2011 at 12:32 AM (#3914006)

I think a better idea is for Hughes to learn to get hitters out with 92 stuff. Then he'll go deeper in games and has the ability to dial it up on key pitches.. Maybe learn to throw a cutter or something.

He has a cutter! He seems to have stowed it for tonight though.

For a guy who was supposed to have great command in the minors, he has shown very little of it at the big league level. I mean, Hughes absolutely has the stuff to succeed, even in the later innings, but he's done nothing over the past couple of years to make me think he can hit his spots more consistently.

127. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: September 01, 2011 at 12:32 AM (#3914007)

[120] I guess I'm the opposite, Nomar is so staggeringly banal that he can be tuned out like white noise from another room. Schilling is staggeringly grating, in thought and tone, fatuous and reactive.

Plus he's a backfeifengesicht ...

128. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: September 01, 2011 at 12:32 AM (#3914011)

And I don't think Schilling is all that bad. Nomar is absolutely horrific. He says a shocking number of things that simply don't make sense. Even the guys in the booth don't know how to respond sometimes.

Schilling's both smart and articulate, and he's reasonably, for a ballplayer, self-aware. He's going to be an excellent announcer for a couple years, then slide into horrific self-importance and -parody.

I really can't tell if Nomar is capable of understanding the words that are spoken to him, or the words that come out of him.

129. Dan Posted: September 01, 2011 at 12:33 AM (#3914012)

I know I should mute it, but I like the sounds of the game. I wish there was a no announcer option, I would sign up for that in a minute.

MLB.tv has a ball park sounds only option. It's kind of nice, but I find I have a problem with having no announcers if I'm reading anything or something, I miss a lot since I don't have as many cues to pay attention.

130. NJ in NY Posted: September 01, 2011 at 12:33 AM (#3914013)

Beckett is going to drill him now.

131. Cowboy Popup Posted: September 01, 2011 at 12:33 AM (#3914014)

backfeifengesicht

Nice word, had to look that up. Gotta respect the Germans for having a word for that.

132. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: September 01, 2011 at 12:34 AM (#3914015)

Schilling is staggeringly grating, in thought and tone, fatuous and reactive.

The last time I heard Schilling in the booth, he had interesting things to say about throwing strikes early in the count and about how he thought the pitcher was trying to set up the hitter. I enjoyed it.

133. NJ in NY Posted: September 01, 2011 at 12:35 AM (#3914016)

I think the Yankees should just make Hughes into Mariano's successor. Robertson is very good but to me he walks too many guys to be a great closer. See Marmol. Sometimes Marmol (usually) is great, but occasionally he comes out and walks the world and blows a game.

Nothing about Robertson indicates to me that he's incapable of being one of the best closers in baseball.

134. ray james Posted: September 01, 2011 at 12:35 AM (#3914017)

He's going to be an excellent announcer for a couple years, then slide into horrific self-importance and -parody.

I think Schilling would make a dynamite pitching coach. Not sure he wants the job, though. He certainly doesn't need the money.

135. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: September 01, 2011 at 12:39 AM (#3914018)

Nothing about Robertson indicates to me that he's incapable of being one of the best closers in baseball.

I'd trust Robertson to close for my club at this point, but his walk rate over 5 BB/9 at least should count as "a thing that indicates" against him being one of the best in baseball for a long time.

136. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: September 01, 2011 at 12:40 AM (#3914020)

DRIVEN!!!!!

137. ray james Posted: September 01, 2011 at 12:41 AM (#3914021)

Schilling = Normite

Nomar = Neanderthal

138. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: September 01, 2011 at 12:42 AM (#3914022)

Nothing about Robertson indicates to me that he's incapable of being one of the best closers in baseball.

Yeah, I LOVES me some ALABAMA HAMMA, but his propensity to walk himself into trouble is concerning, to say the least ...

139. Famous Original Joe C Posted: September 01, 2011 at 12:43 AM (#3914023)

Bill James temperature gauge? What the ####?

140. NJ in NY Posted: September 01, 2011 at 12:45 AM (#3914026)

I'd trust Robertson to close for my club at this point, but his walk rate over 5 BB/9 at least should count as "a thing that indicates" against him being one of the best in baseball for a long time.

Fortunately, when you strike out every ####### body...it doesn't really matter. Especially in bases loaded situations where hitters might as well not even bat.

141. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: September 01, 2011 at 12:46 AM (#3914027)

I am thankful for Francisco Cervelli. The injury to Joba had left me with far, far too few Yankees to hate.

142. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: September 01, 2011 at 12:47 AM (#3914029)

Fortunately, when you strike out every ####### body...it doesn't really matter. Especially in bases loaded situations where hitters might as well not even bat

I'd worry about having a pitcher who walks a guy every other inning pitching with the bases loaded.

(I know he has a great split, but it must be fluke. If he has the capacity to not walk guys, he'd not walk guys all the time.)

143. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: September 01, 2011 at 12:49 AM (#3914032)

That seems like a play a decent third basemen should make.

144. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: September 01, 2011 at 12:50 AM (#3914033)

Really slow response from Lowrie there - I thought that was a ball the 3B should get.

145. Cowboy Popup Posted: September 01, 2011 at 12:51 AM (#3914035)

I'd be happy with Robertson at closer. He's not Mo, but no one is. His career FIP is 2.96. He's a fantastic pitcher, even if he walks a few too many guys.

146. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: September 01, 2011 at 12:52 AM (#3914036)

[145] I'm not saying NO ... I'm just saying, that's asking to ride the whirlwind ...

147. Cowboy Popup Posted: September 01, 2011 at 12:52 AM (#3914037)

Schilling just made another very good point. I have to say I enjoy him. The talking head and Nomar still suck.

148. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: September 01, 2011 at 12:53 AM (#3914039)

Beckett missed location on that fastball to Granderson. He's lucky Granderson didn't park it.

149. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: September 01, 2011 at 12:53 AM (#3914040)

Gah.

150. Cowboy Popup Posted: September 01, 2011 at 12:54 AM (#3914042)

How did someone put enough money into this "Bucky Larson" movie to make it and advertise it on apparently every TV program I watch.

151. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: September 01, 2011 at 12:57 AM (#3914043)

[147] "Hey, sewer rat may taste like pumpkin pie, but I'd never know 'cause I wouldn't eat the filthy ############\" ...

152. ray james Posted: September 01, 2011 at 12:57 AM (#3914044)

Geez, I thought Ellsbury got all of that.

But it didn't sound great off the bat.

153. Phil Coorey. Posted: September 01, 2011 at 12:57 AM (#3914045)

I watched ESPN for the first three innings and loved Schilling - he's great

154. ray james Posted: September 01, 2011 at 12:58 AM (#3914046)

Pedroia is trying to hit for power to rightfield. I'm not sure that's a good idea for him. He has to hit it perfect to get it out in Fenway.

155. Cowboy Popup Posted: September 01, 2011 at 12:58 AM (#3914047)

Kind of random but...Who knew Dontrelle Willis struck out ten batters in a game THIS year? I have been following the game closer than I have in a long time and I had no idea.

156. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: September 01, 2011 at 12:59 AM (#3914048)

Pedroia is trying to hit for power to rightfield. I'm not sure that's a good idea for him. He has to hit it perfect to get it out in Fenway.

I remember back when Youkilis was trying to hit for power to right, and I'd get annoyed because it never worked. Then he added power and it became worth it.

157. Cowboy Popup Posted: September 01, 2011 at 01:00 AM (#3914050)

[147] "Hey, sewer rat may taste like pumpkin pie, but I'd never know 'cause I wouldn't eat the filthy ############\" ...

I hated Al Leiter as a player and he's one of my favorite announcers. I'm sure I can make the same transition for Schilling if he's as good as this most of the time out.

158. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: September 01, 2011 at 01:01 AM (#3914051)

Can I just say, in the 90% of this season's game BEFORE I installed NEXDEF, I had trouble about 1% of the time.

In the 10% of the season's games SINCE I've installed NEXDEF, I've had trouble 100% of the time.

HOW THE #### IS THAT POSSIBLE?!?!!??!

159. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: September 01, 2011 at 01:02 AM (#3914053)

Papi had that changeup read. He waited, was going to take it oppo, but just missed.

160. Cowboy Popup Posted: September 01, 2011 at 01:02 AM (#3914054)

Hughes has been too tentative this AB IMO. Yes Ortiz is good, but you can come at him a bit. Got lucky on 3-1 though.

161. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: September 01, 2011 at 01:02 AM (#3914055)

Should've walked him.

162. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: September 01, 2011 at 01:02 AM (#3914056)

And he got the next one. Who said Hughes had to stay up in the zone?

163. Cowboy Popup Posted: September 01, 2011 at 01:02 AM (#3914057)

And ####. That wasn't a bad pitch, he just hit the snot out of it.

164. Phil Coorey. Posted: September 01, 2011 at 01:02 AM (#3914058)

Hammered !!Beautiful swing by Big Papi there!!

165. ray james Posted: September 01, 2011 at 01:02 AM (#3914059)

Well, now we know why the intentional walk occurred earlier.

166. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: September 01, 2011 at 01:04 AM (#3914061)

[157] Good? I LOVED the part where he trotted out the standard issue banality of MVP = Player with the best conventional stats from a playoff team ...

Meanwhile, perhaps JoeyJoeJoe *was* right to walk Ortiz the last time up.

167. Dan Posted: September 01, 2011 at 01:04 AM (#3914062)

Can I just say, in the 90% of this season's game BEFORE I installed NEXDEF, I had trouble about 1% of the time.

In the 10% of the season's games SINCE I've installed NEXDEF, I've had trouble 100% of the time.

HOW THE #### IS THAT POSSIBLE?!?!!??!

NexDef is just ####### awful. If you're having issues though, try ending the NexDef Autobahn process to reboot NexDef.

168. Cowboy Popup Posted: September 01, 2011 at 01:06 AM (#3914064)

Well, now we know why the intentional walk occurred earlier.

I don't know, I'm inclined to believe throwing 5 of six pitches to the same location might have been partly responsible for that. I know if I do that in MLB the Show the computer adjusts and hits the ball. Ortiz isn't Ryan Howard, he's hitting .314, I'm not sure why they pounded one spot in that AB.

169. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: September 01, 2011 at 01:07 AM (#3914065)

[157] Also, how could you "hate" Al Leiter, that's like hating the color beige ...

170. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: September 01, 2011 at 01:08 AM (#3914066)

[167] Yeah, I'm just going to have to uninstall that ############ ...

171. ray james Posted: September 01, 2011 at 01:08 AM (#3914067)

I'm kin of enjoying this, Yankee fans on the chatter. Usually, all the Yankee fans go over to RLYW to chatter.

172. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: September 01, 2011 at 01:08 AM (#3914068)

Anyways, that thing in the last thing?

Ballgame.

173. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: September 01, 2011 at 01:09 AM (#3914069)

I always found Leiter supercilious.

174. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: September 01, 2011 at 01:10 AM (#3914070)

That double was Pedroia-esque.

175. Cowboy Popup Posted: September 01, 2011 at 01:11 AM (#3914071)

I'm surprised Teix took second there. I guess Tek thought he caught it.

[157] Also, how could you "hate" Al Leiter, that's like hating the color beige ...

30 3-2 counts in five innings every time out is a quick way to becoming one of my least favorite players. Also, he was always dogging guys when he was on the Mets IIRC.

I can't think of a sight I enjoy more aesthetically than when Cano hits line drives to left center.

176. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: September 01, 2011 at 01:11 AM (#3914072)

SLASHER!!!

Gotta LOVE ROBBIE!

177. ray james Posted: September 01, 2011 at 01:12 AM (#3914073)

I guess you're all right. Nomar doesn't have a whole lot to say. No insight at all.

But Schilling is very good.

178. Cowboy Popup Posted: September 01, 2011 at 01:12 AM (#3914074)

See, what Schilling is saying here about Tek is worthwhile and good analysis IMO.

179. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: September 01, 2011 at 01:13 AM (#3914075)

Beckett's doing that annoying thing where he loses faith in one of his necessary pitches. You have to throw fastballs, Josh.

180. Cowboy Popup Posted: September 01, 2011 at 01:14 AM (#3914076)

I'm kin of enjoying this, Yankee fans on the chatter. Usually, all the Yankee fans go over to RLYW to chatter.

Not me! I got tired of all the reverse jinxes and pants wetting and hating of everyone except A-rod every time they didn't succeed. I only chatter here, for Yanks-Sox games because it's the only time its worth it any more. I do miss the old Yankee chatter crew, but none of us are in college with hours and hours to burn every night.

181. Cowboy Popup Posted: September 01, 2011 at 01:15 AM (#3914077)

Good PA by Swisher there. Man, he's been so good at the plate since he broke out of his early season slump.

182. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: September 01, 2011 at 01:15 AM (#3914078)

Is this for real?

183. NJ in NY Posted: September 01, 2011 at 01:15 AM (#3914079)

That was some shockingly bad defense by Reddick.

184. Cowboy Popup Posted: September 01, 2011 at 01:15 AM (#3914080)

TIE GAME!!! YES!

185. Dan Posted: September 01, 2011 at 01:16 AM (#3914081)

Well this went to #### quickly.

186. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: September 01, 2011 at 01:16 AM (#3914082)

#### fuck ####.

I guess Beckett lost faith in the fastball because he's putting it in bad places. Terrible pitch, terrible fielding.

187. Phil Coorey. Posted: September 01, 2011 at 01:16 AM (#3914084)

That went pear shaped quickly

188. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: September 01, 2011 at 01:17 AM (#3914085)

Wow, color me surprised and stuff.

CHAVEY!!!

189. Phil Coorey. Posted: September 01, 2011 at 01:18 AM (#3914086)

If he can keep it 4-4 they'll be right - don't like the odds though

190. Cowboy Popup Posted: September 01, 2011 at 01:18 AM (#3914087)

Taking the lead! I hope Hughes can hold it.

191. Phil Coorey. Posted: September 01, 2011 at 01:18 AM (#3914088)

There goes that theory

192. Dan Posted: September 01, 2011 at 01:18 AM (#3914089)

Last run is on Reddick ,but the first 4 were all Beckett.

193. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: September 01, 2011 at 01:18 AM (#3914090)

AW, YEAH!!!

194. Cowboy Popup Posted: September 01, 2011 at 01:18 AM (#3914091)

I obviously can't add.

195. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: September 01, 2011 at 01:20 AM (#3914092)

Uh oh, Vulture is up ...

We'd better score more, quick ...

196. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: September 01, 2011 at 01:21 AM (#3914093)

Dammit, should have DRILLED Frankie Brains there.

Just sayin' ...

197. Chip Posted: September 01, 2011 at 01:21 AM (#3914094)

What a brilliant, ace-o-riffic shutdown inning after the offense gave him a 3-run lead.

198. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: September 01, 2011 at 01:23 AM (#3914095)

Beckett completely lost faith in his fastball after Cano went to left-center for the double. He doesn't have a workable plan B when he sin't throwing the fastball and the curve well.

199. Dan Posted: September 01, 2011 at 01:24 AM (#3914096)

He's had the cutter and change up a lot this year, though apparently not tonight.

200. Chip Posted: September 01, 2011 at 01:25 AM (#3914097)

The pitch to Cano couldn't have been more awful.

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