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Thursday, September 01, 2011

Yankees (81-53) @ RedSox (83-52), Thursday, September 1, 2011, 7:10pm

NYY: A.J. Burnett (34, RHP, 9-11, 5.31)
BOS: Jon Lester (27, LHP, 14-6, 3.09)

The Primer Chimp Posted: September 01, 2011 at 01:00 PM | 264 comment(s)
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1. Darren

Posted: September 01, 2011 at 06:09 PM (#3914644)

Guaranteed win for the Red Sox, right?

2. ray james Posted: September 01, 2011 at 10:52 PM (#3914870)

It's never guaranteed, Lester could have a bad night too, but the decided advantage is with the Red Sox.

So, with Montero up, who do you think the better prospect is, he or Larvarnway? They're both basically the same guy- huge bats who can only play one position, and that very badly.

Lavarnway's a better hitter right now, it looks like, but he's also 2 years older, which is a big difference. Montero might eventually learn how to catch but I'm not seeing it with Lavarnway. He has a terrible arm and his feet are slow as molasses.

3. Phil Coorey. Posted: September 01, 2011 at 11:01 PM (#3914873)

Guaranteed win for the Red Sox, right?

No way

Remember this game?

*Please note I won't be as worries by a loss today as opposed to that fiasco in 2005 when we all thought it was a formality that they would hammer Al Leiter.

4. ray james Posted: September 01, 2011 at 11:01 PM (#3914874)

Oh god. Costas is doing the game for MLB TV. I hate the little munchkin.

5. ray james Posted: September 01, 2011 at 11:08 PM (#3914881)

Wow. In that link Phil provided, Varitek had an .891 OPS in mid-July. It's been awhile since I have thought of him as a superb hitter.

6. NJ in NY Posted: September 01, 2011 at 11:09 PM (#3914883)

How I feel.

EDIT: I'm also going to ignore the Lavarnway blasphemy above.

7. FancyPantsHandle glistening with foreign substance Posted: September 01, 2011 at 11:09 PM (#3914884)

So, with Montero up, who do you think the better prospect is, he or Larvarnway?

That one isn't really close.

8. FancyPantsHandle glistening with foreign substance Posted: September 01, 2011 at 11:15 PM (#3914889)

Pedroia back to hitting 4th I notice...

9. Drew (Primakov, Gungho Iguanas) Posted: September 01, 2011 at 11:17 PM (#3914890)

That one isn't really close.

Sadly true. Though Lavarnway can actually sorta catch. Would you rather have Victor Martinez lite or Mike Piazza-DH-only?

10. ray james Posted: September 01, 2011 at 11:17 PM (#3914891)

Teixiera is one of those switch hitters who's left handed stance and right handed stance aren't remotely similar. It's a little on the closed side as a lefty and wide open from the right.

11. Phil Coorey. Posted: September 01, 2011 at 11:19 PM (#3914893)

Ellsbury seemed awfully deep there

12. Phil Coorey. Posted: September 01, 2011 at 11:20 PM (#3914894)

That box sore also had Cano playing - I forgot he came up in 2005 - seems like it was 2006

13. ray james Posted: September 01, 2011 at 11:21 PM (#3914895)

God, is Costas annoying.

14. Phil Coorey. Posted: September 01, 2011 at 11:22 PM (#3914896)

Cano just ####### owns the Sox - should have walked him Giradi style....

15. Phil Coorey. Posted: September 01, 2011 at 11:25 PM (#3914898)

14 is an attempt at humour

16. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: September 01, 2011 at 11:32 PM (#3914900)

I do not have a good feeling about this at-bat.

17. Dale Sams Posted: September 01, 2011 at 11:32 PM (#3914901)

GS for Montero here in a sec

18. Phil Coorey. Posted: September 01, 2011 at 11:33 PM (#3914902)

Jesus - 36 ####### pitches.

19. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: September 01, 2011 at 11:33 PM (#3914903)

Ok, it's kind of cool that Montero is making his debut right now.

Now pop out, kid.

20. NJ in NY Posted: September 01, 2011 at 11:33 PM (#3914904)

!!!

21. ray james Posted: September 01, 2011 at 11:34 PM (#3914905)

Yankees are doing a really good job of making Lester work for it.

22. Drew (Primakov, Gungho Iguanas) Posted: September 01, 2011 at 11:35 PM (#3914907)

I already hate Montero's sideburns.

23. Drew (Primakov, Gungho Iguanas) Posted: September 01, 2011 at 11:36 PM (#3914908)

Yankees are doing a really good job of making Lester work for it.

That's an understatement. 41 pitches already.

24. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: September 01, 2011 at 11:36 PM (#3914909)

Why the hell doesn't YESN get a K-zone like every other sports network?

25. Dale Sams Posted: September 01, 2011 at 11:37 PM (#3914910)

Well it's only going to be 9 hours at this rate.

26. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: September 01, 2011 at 11:37 PM (#3914911)

Whew. Lester does not have his command tonight.

Hopefully AJ Burnett will have his AJ Burnett-itude.

27. Drew (Primakov, Gungho Iguanas) Posted: September 01, 2011 at 11:38 PM (#3914912)

Because K-zones suck?

28. ray james Posted: September 01, 2011 at 11:38 PM (#3914913)

Thank god that was over.

Not because the Yankees were threatening a big inning so much but I thought Costas would run down on the field and fellate Montero if he got a hit there.

29. ray james Posted: September 01, 2011 at 11:40 PM (#3914914)

Why the hell doesn't YESN get a K-zone like every other sports network?

That's what I was thinking too when they showed a replay of that outside breaking pitch.

30. ray james Posted: September 01, 2011 at 11:42 PM (#3914916)

Jacoby too aggressive there. If he wanted to be aggressive, he should have swing at that 2-0 meatball.

31. ray james Posted: September 01, 2011 at 11:43 PM (#3914918)

Jesus, this strikezone is microscopic.

32. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: September 01, 2011 at 11:49 PM (#3914923)

I think Pedroia's legitimately aiming at the pole.

33. ray james Posted: September 01, 2011 at 11:51 PM (#3914924)

I made a comment last night about him deliberately hitting to right. But I think he has to do it now because he never sees inside pitches anymore. His bat is just too quick and pitchers have given up trying to saw him off.

34. ray james Posted: September 01, 2011 at 11:52 PM (#3914925)

I Dan at the game tonight?

35. ray james Posted: September 01, 2011 at 11:52 PM (#3914926)

Is Dan at the game tonight?

36. Phil Coorey. Posted: September 01, 2011 at 11:57 PM (#3914928)

Jesus - there is a bounce off the bag that could send this game pear shaped

37. NJ in NY Posted: September 01, 2011 at 11:58 PM (#3914930)

A Mark Teixeira pop up. Shocking.

38. Famous Original Joe C Posted: September 02, 2011 at 12:04 AM (#3914932)

Evening all.

NJ, where would you set the over/under for NBA games played this season?

Might be time for a "WTF David Ortiz!?" thread, Sox Therapy People With Keys.

39. NJ in NY Posted: September 02, 2011 at 12:08 AM (#3914933)

NJ, where would you set the over/under for NBA games played this season?

50.

I really wish the Red Sox would start knocking AJ around.

40. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: September 02, 2011 at 12:09 AM (#3914934)

[37] You don't install the
popup blocker app, you get the popups ...

41. Famous Original Joe C Posted: September 02, 2011 at 12:10 AM (#3914935)

50.

Are you giving odds on a push?

42. NJ in NY Posted: September 02, 2011 at 12:10 AM (#3914936)

Most of the Baldwin/Office dude commercials suck, but I like the 9-1-2 one.

43. ray james Posted: September 02, 2011 at 12:11 AM (#3914937)

Does Christopher understand he's destroying all the goodwill he's build up over the last 2 decades in The Sopranos and Goodfellas by doing these insipid 1800 Tequila commercials?

44. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: September 02, 2011 at 12:12 AM (#3914938)

yanks wil regret that first inning

45. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: September 02, 2011 at 12:13 AM (#3914940)

Cornflake!

46. NJ in NY Posted: September 02, 2011 at 12:14 AM (#3914942)

Are you giving odds on a push?

The whole situation just makes me really sad. I've resigned myself to picking out a college team to follow.

47. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: September 02, 2011 at 12:15 AM (#3914943)

FRICKIN LAZER ... but foul.

48. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: September 02, 2011 at 12:15 AM (#3914944)

fastball: A. Jones :: rat: cheese

49. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: September 02, 2011 at 12:16 AM (#3914945)

err, cheese: rat

y'all know what I'm meant ...

50. Famous Original Joe C Posted: September 02, 2011 at 12:17 AM (#3914946)

The whole situation just makes me really sad. I've resigned myself to picking out a college team to follow.

The worst part is the apparent lack of urgency. The only hope I'm clinging to is that both sides are simply posturing and can all see where the ultimate compromise will probably end up. IOW, the Henry Abbott perspective.

I think 50 games is likely right on. Stern won't let one of his last seasons as commissioner be cancelled.

51. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: September 02, 2011 at 12:18 AM (#3914947)

y'all know what I'm meant ...

Sigh ... punches self in face ... pushes self down stairs.

52. ray james Posted: September 02, 2011 at 12:18 AM (#3914949)

The whole situation just makes me really sad. I've resigned myself to picking out a college team to follow.

You don't already have one, NJ?

53. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: September 02, 2011 at 12:19 AM (#3914950)

70 pitches with two outs in the third

54. Famous Original Joe C Posted: September 02, 2011 at 12:19 AM (#3914951)

Sabathia : Tuesday :: Lester : Thursday

55. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: September 02, 2011 at 12:19 AM (#3914952)

YOU SUCK, JESUS!

I KILLED A CHICKEN FOR THIS?!?!?!?!?

56. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: September 02, 2011 at 12:20 AM (#3914953)

rutgers puttin the hurt on 1aa nc central!

57. ray james Posted: September 02, 2011 at 12:20 AM (#3914954)

I think 50 games is likely right on. Stern won't let one of his last seasons as commissioner be cancelled.

Simmons fellates him all the time but I haven't particularly like the Stern era NBA. There were problems before he became commissioner but I thought the overall product was better.

58. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: September 02, 2011 at 12:24 AM (#3914956)

burnett looks shockingly cromulent

59. Famous Original Joe C Posted: September 02, 2011 at 12:26 AM (#3914957)

Simmons fellates him all the time but I haven't particularly like the Stern era NBA. There were problems before he became commissioner but I thought the overall product was better.

I think the plusses generally outweigh the negatives.

You don't already have one, NJ?

NCAA basketball, outside of the postseason, is for people who went to schools with good basketball programs. If you are simply a basketball fan, why wouldn't you watch the NBA?

60. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: September 02, 2011 at 12:27 AM (#3914958)

I'll take the over on the games lost. I think there are too many owners who are looking to this lock out as their last, best chance to make money hand over fist, regardless of how well, or poorly, they run their franchises.

61. Famous Original Joe C Posted: September 02, 2011 at 12:28 AM (#3914959)

ray, I should add that, whatever you think of the Stern era, you would likely agree that he seems very conscious of his legacy - and that is the reason, more than any other, that I don't think he'll allow the season to be cancelled.

62. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: September 02, 2011 at 12:28 AM (#3914962)

burnett looks shockingly cromulent

AJ's going 7 and the Yankees are winning this game.

Why?

Because it's the thing that shouldn't happen, that's why!

63. NJ in NY Posted: September 02, 2011 at 12:32 AM (#3914965)

You don't already have one, NJ?

Well, I cheer for the alma mater, but they're not really relevant (at the moment and for 99% of their history), so no.

I think the Sox hitters are throwing this game. They want to see AJ on the mound in ALCS game 4.

64. Darren

Posted: September 02, 2011 at 12:32 AM (#3914966)

I'm always sort of amazed that, even with terrible pitch-count innings early on, a pitcher still can usually put up 6 innings withotu going crazy high. For this game, for example, if Lester can go about 15 pitches per inning, he'll be at 117 for 6. Of course, then Tito will send him out for the 7th and 8th...'

(I agree with 62.)

65. ray james Posted: September 02, 2011 at 12:33 AM (#3914968)

NCAA basketball, outside of the postseason, is for people who went to schools with good basketball programs. If you are simply a basketball fan, why wouldn't you watch the NBA?

Well, the college game has an appeal the NBA lacks.
The fans are much more passionate, mostly because they have a direct emotional connection with the school the team plays for. The fans are generally younger, and so tend to root more out of unbridled love and less about the expectation to win. The players are younger and faster, in general, and the play can be extremely fast at times. And there doesn't seem to be the overt officiating favoritism for superstars like in the NBA. The refs also call things straight. For instance, a walk is a walk.

In other words, NCAA ball has a kind of purity the NBA lacks.

66. Darren

Posted: September 02, 2011 at 12:34 AM (#3914969)

Isn't NBA basketball really boring a lot of the time? I sometimes think the players' skills have outgrown the court. It needs to b 200 feet long with 15 foot baskets.

67. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: September 02, 2011 at 12:34 AM (#3914970)

well they arent winning it 1~0

68. Darren

Posted: September 02, 2011 at 12:34 AM (#3914972)

Remy and Orsillo find their meta-conversations far more interesting than actual baseball. At least Millar's inning was short.

69. ray james Posted: September 02, 2011 at 12:35 AM (#3914974)

you would likely agree that he seems very conscious of his legacy - and that is the reason, more than any other, that I don't think he'll allow the season to be cancelled.

I think all of his decisions are ultimately driven by the almighty dollar, and how the strike is resolved revolves around dollars and cents issues; i.e., whether it makes financial sense to prolong the srtrike or cut a deal.

70. Darren

Posted: September 02, 2011 at 12:36 AM (#3914975)

You just can't walk Jeter here.

71. Darren

Posted: September 02, 2011 at 12:37 AM (#3914976)

Well, Lester had a chance for a quick inning and blew it. He also put a runner on in front of the homer brothers.

72. ray james Posted: September 02, 2011 at 12:38 AM (#3914977)

Well, I cheer for the alma mater, but they're not really relevant (at the moment and for 99% of their history), so no.

And that alma mater would be?

73. NJ in NY Posted: September 02, 2011 at 12:38 AM (#3914978)

Don't want to get into the NCAA v NBA thing here, but...I enjoy watching well played basketball (insert Knicks joke here) and the NCAA just isn't anywhere close to the quality of play in the NBA.

74. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: September 02, 2011 at 12:39 AM (#3914979)

75. NJ in NY Posted: September 02, 2011 at 12:39 AM (#3914980)

And that alma mater would be?

Cornell.

76. NJ in NY Posted: September 02, 2011 at 12:39 AM (#3914981)

I would have hoped Lester would be above 90 pitches by now. The Sox have a good bullpen though, don't they?

77. Benji Gil Gamesh Rises Posted: September 02, 2011 at 12:40 AM (#3914982)

Isn't NBA basketball really boring a lot of the time? I sometimes think the players' skills have outgrown the court. It needs to b 200 feet long with 15 foot baskets.

This.

Also, when/where did the "pear shaped" meme come from?

78. Darren

Posted: September 02, 2011 at 12:40 AM (#3914983)

Another 20 pitches that inning. Le sigh.

79. Famous Original Joe C Posted: September 02, 2011 at 12:42 AM (#3914984)

In other words, NCAA ball has a kind of purity the NBA lacks.

I both agree and disagree with this statement. In the interest of not totally hijacking a game chatter over to basketball, I'll just say I'll offer mu rebuttal should you ever show up on the NBA thread.

80. ray james Posted: September 02, 2011 at 12:42 AM (#3914985)

Well, my son is at UNC-CH and the college basketball environment there is phenomenal so maybe I'm biased a little...

But I like both, but for different reasons.

81. ray james Posted: September 02, 2011 at 12:43 AM (#3914987)

The only reference to "pear-shaped" I have heard is when describing a woman with an unattractive figure.

82. Darren

Posted: September 02, 2011 at 12:43 AM (#3914988)

Don't want to get into the NCAA v NBA thing here, but...I enjoy watching well played basketball (insert Knicks joke here) and the NCAA just isn't anywhere close to the quality of play in the NBA.

Is the officiating as bad and as arbitrary as it seems to a casual observer? Are the players really, really intense, to the point where they don't look like htey're trying, or do they all just sleepwalk through the regular season?

Oh, too bad. Gonzo probably would've had a triple there.

83. NJ in NY Posted: September 02, 2011 at 12:45 AM (#3914990)

The only reference to "pear-shaped" I have heard is when describing a woman with an unattractive figure

And I was only familiar with it as a way to describe a woman with an attractive figure.

84. ray james Posted: September 02, 2011 at 12:45 AM (#3914991)

This is the acid test for Burnett. Let's see how he does when he gets runners in scoring position.

85. Darren

Posted: September 02, 2011 at 12:45 AM (#3914992)

Gonzalez gets his pitch and hammers it 250 feet.

Again, why the heck is Pedrioa batting 4th? He had a 400 OBP--put him in front of the guy hitting .350, move Ortiz to 4th, and there you go. This batting him 4th is too clever by 1/2.

86. ray james Posted: September 02, 2011 at 12:46 AM (#3914993)

Really, NJ? Pear-shaped means "big ass, small tits".

You like that?

87. Darren

Posted: September 02, 2011 at 12:46 AM (#3914994)

Golfer taking BP before a tournament--sounds like a good idea.

88. Darren

Posted: September 02, 2011 at 12:47 AM (#3914995)

So, as I was saying...

89. FancyPantsHandle glistening with foreign substance Posted: September 02, 2011 at 12:47 AM (#3914996)

MCP!

90. ray james Posted: September 02, 2011 at 12:47 AM (#3914997)

Pedroia's ####### awesome.

91. booond Posted: September 02, 2011 at 12:48 AM (#3914999)

Crushed!

92. NJ in NY Posted: September 02, 2011 at 12:51 AM (#3915000)

Really, NJ? Pear-shaped means "big ass, small tits".

I don't use the term. I think when I've heard it used it was mainly a way to describe the hip/ass area with less focus on the breast portion.

93. NJ in NY Posted: September 02, 2011 at 12:52 AM (#3915002)

Is Crawford hurt? Is there an official explanation for his awful year?

94. FancyPantsHandle glistening with foreign substance Posted: September 02, 2011 at 12:53 AM (#3915003)

This game just went pear-shaped for the Yankees.

95. ray james Posted: September 02, 2011 at 12:53 AM (#3915004)

Is the officiating as bad and as arbitrary as it seems to a casual observer? Are the players really, really intense, to the point where they don't look like htey're trying, or do they all just sleepwalk through the regular season?

It's more like the players are all looking towards the playoffs, and gear their intensity towards that. So unimportant moments/games aren't going to generate much intensity, nor are the players willing to incur wear and tear, fatigue or risk injury.

Playoff basketball is unbelievably intense sometimes.

96. Phil Coorey. Posted: September 02, 2011 at 12:56 AM (#3915005)

Pear - Shaped is Aussie slang - it's when things turn to crap quickly

I still can't believe that Pedroia home run

97. Phil Coorey. Posted: September 02, 2011 at 12:58 AM (#3915006)

The third meaning is mostly limited to the United Kingdom, Ireland and Australasia. It describes a situation that went awry, perhaps horribly wrong. A failed bank robbery, for example, could be said to have "gone pear-shaped". Less well known in the US it generated some media interest when British politician Margaret Thatcher used the phrase[citation needed] in front of the world's press at one of her first meetings with U.S. President Ronald Reagan, with many reporters being unsure of the meaning of the term. The origin for this use of the term is in dispute. The OED cites its origin as within the Royal Air Force; as of 2003 the earliest citation there is a quote in the 1983 book Air War South Atlantic.[1] Others date it to the RAF in the 1940s, from pilots attempting to perform aerial manoeuvres such as loops. These are difficult to form perfectly, and are usually noticeably distorted—i.e., pear-shaped.

98. Phil Coorey. Posted: September 02, 2011 at 01:00 AM (#3915007)

Golfer taking BP before a tournament--sounds like a good idea.

Mickelson is like a big kid - especially with baseball - which he loves. He tried out for the Toledo Mud Hens once

Cano just freaking owns the Red Sox

99. FancyPantsHandle glistening with foreign substance Posted: September 02, 2011 at 01:01 AM (#3915008)

Pear - Shaped is Aussie slang - it's when things turn to crap quickly

That's the UK use too, see #94. It's pretty commonly used...

100. NJ in NY Posted: September 02, 2011 at 01:01 AM (#3915010)

This team and all the ####### bunts. What the ####.

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