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   1. Harris Posted: September 06, 2005 at 02:08 PM (#1599743)
Suggested Lineup for Charlie Tonight:
1) 26 2B Chase Utley
2) 22 CF Jason Michaels
3) 53 RF Bobby Abreu
4) 5 LF Pat Burrell
5) 6 1B Ryan Howard
6) 24 C Mike Lieberthal
7) 4 3B David Bell
8) 11 SS Jimmy Rollins
9) 21 P Lieber P

Move Utley to the top because he really appears to have the best bat in the lineup all around and has decent speed. OBP really doens't matter for the phillies too much because we rarely convert leadoff doubles/singles into runs, unless someone jacks one out of the park in the first inning.

Move Rollins to the 8 hole because he's such an impatient hitter he never sees a good pitch anyway, and batting infront of the pitcher won't change anything. Should he happen to get on base, he should try to steal or be bunted into scoring position by the pitcher. You don't have to worry about him getting held up on the bases because he'll be behind David Bell who will either not reach base, get a double, or end the inning with a double play.
Lierberthal has been swining a good bat lately, reward him with a trip up in the order.

Pinch hitter pecking order...
vs LHP - Pratt, Victorino, Tucker, Kata, Lofton, Perez, Martinez, Hinch, Vince Padilla, Endy Chavez
vs RHP - Lofton, Martinez, Tucker, Pratt, Kata, Lofton, Perez, Hinch, Aaron Fultz, Endy Chavez
   2. Johnny Zen Posted: September 06, 2005 at 02:33 PM (#1599777)
Face it guys: the Astros own us (10-0 against the last two seasons). And the maddening, incomprehensible use of Endy Chavez in important situations ain't exactly helping.
   3. Harris Posted: September 06, 2005 at 04:13 PM (#1599976)
Doesn't every team have an Endy Chavez? That one guy who despite the fact that he's horrible, the manager continues to use him in tight spots and watches him repeatedly fail, but because he gets that clutch hit every 20th at bat the manager only remembers his successes.

As for last night's game, I was watching in disbelief as Dancey held Kata at 3rd. While I agree, he likely would have been out at the plate, I feel there was more of a chance of there being a wild throw/dropped relay/bounce out of the catchers mitt, then of Chavez plating a run. I truly think Dancey had no idea in his head that the pitchers spot in the lineup was left and the pinch hitter of choice was going to be Pratt/Chavez/Martinez. It's his job to know that, and he failed.
   4. My guest will be Jermaine Allensworth Posted: September 06, 2005 at 04:40 PM (#1600030)
Doesn’t every team have an Endy Chavez? That one guy who despite the fact that he’s horrible, the manager continues to use him in tight spots and watches him repeatedly fail, but because he gets that clutch hit every 20th at bat the manager only remembers his successes.

Ours is T.I.M.O.™ Perez. It must be the uncommon first names.
   5. PhillyBooster Posted: September 06, 2005 at 05:54 PM (#1600167)
You don’t have to worry about him getting held up on the bases because he’ll be behind David Bell who will either not reach base, get a double, or end the inning with a double play.

Isn't the optimal strategy to bat Rollins -- the fastest Phil -- directly ahead of Bell in order to break up the inevitable DP ball?
   6. PhillyBooster Posted: September 06, 2005 at 05:57 PM (#1600174)
Pinch hitter pecking order…

For RHP, I'd still have Victorino above Chavez.

Also, in both cases, I'd favor activating Randy Wolf from the 60-day DL to pinch hit rather than batting Endy Chavez.
   7. PhillyBooster Posted: September 06, 2005 at 06:04 PM (#1600187)
Postseason Odds Report, NL Wild Card Division:

Astros: 37.82%
Phillies: 23.45%
Marlins: 12.97%
Mets: 10.44%
Nationals: 8.01%
Braves: 6.46%
Entire NL West: 0.00%

Phils and Marlins are 1 game back in the loss column. Nats 2 games back, and Mets 3 games back.
   8. GregD Posted: September 06, 2005 at 09:20 PM (#1600587)
I assume y'all saw the ridiculous Manuel quotes about Rollins in the Philly papers. Couldn't possibly think about moving him from the leadoff spot. No, sir. Kenny Lofton can't bat leadoff because he's "too old" and Jason Michaels can't because he "can't steal bases."
   9. stubbyc Posted: September 06, 2005 at 09:51 PM (#1600666)
Mike Lamb at 3b tonight for the Astros. That should be an offensive and defensive disaster.
   10. Johnny Zen Posted: September 06, 2005 at 10:11 PM (#1600713)
Ensberg out of the lineup might give the Phils a fighting chance, but Oswalt's career numbers against are silly. It's only a five game sample, but 26K in 24.2 innings, .213 BAA, 1.01 WHIP, 1.46 ERA. It's a good thing I'm not a betting man, because I'd definitely be going against my heart. This stretch against the 'stros was why it REALLY would have been nice to win at least 2 of 3 in the Nats series (beyond the fact that every win is vital, yadda yadda).
   11. Larry Bowa Posted: September 06, 2005 at 10:37 PM (#1600788)
Fellas,

OK, now I need a 2-22 skid to win my bet.

I think it can be done, starting with two more losses to the Astros, followed by more illiterate ramblings by Bubba Gump on why he continues to put Rollins at leadoff, followed by more 1st-pitch swings by Rollins with men on base and after consecutive walks. Stir in player discontent, media dissatisfaction, and a manager who is the stupidest mother****er this side of Charlie Brown, and I think it can be done.

Fellas, a 2-22 skid to end the season would win the hearts and minds of Phlopper fans everywhere... it would justify your hopelessness in the minds of every man, woman and child in the Philadelphia region, and ensure you have a place in history next to the v.1964 team.

You can do it. Believe in yourselves.

Your pal,
Larry
   12. GregD Posted: September 06, 2005 at 11:09 PM (#1600864)
Larry, I'm sure you're feeling better after Lieber's "contribution" to the 1st inning. How's the drying out going? Got taste buds yet?
   13. Harris Posted: September 06, 2005 at 11:12 PM (#1600872)
Well he didnt give up a dinger to Berkman. I guess that's a moral victory.
   14. Harris Posted: September 06, 2005 at 11:14 PM (#1600876)
Another moral victory - he mad Oswalt throw three pitches. 12-game hit streak batting 0.259. Beautiful.
   15. Joshemy Posted: September 06, 2005 at 11:16 PM (#1600887)
6 pitches for Oswalt in the first. That is terrible for the Phils.
   16. Harris Posted: September 06, 2005 at 11:20 PM (#1600899)
In all fairness to Lofton and Utley, they both hit their balls right at Lamb, and hard, just didn't work out.
   17. Harris Posted: September 06, 2005 at 11:26 PM (#1600913)
through 2 innings:
Roy Oswalt - 14 pitches, 12 strikes.
   18. Johnny Zen Posted: September 06, 2005 at 11:27 PM (#1600916)
Looks like one run is all they'll need.
   19. GregD Posted: September 06, 2005 at 11:38 PM (#1600961)
Has anyone ever threw a 60-pitch shutout? The Phils seem to be aiming for some kind of record.
   20. Harris Posted: September 06, 2005 at 11:41 PM (#1600970)
through 3 innings:
Roy Oswalt - 23 pitches, 21 strikes.

Wow, he's throwing a perfect game, a no-hitter, and a hutout.
   21. Johnny Zen Posted: September 06, 2005 at 11:41 PM (#1600971)
22 pitches, 20 strikes.
   22. stubbyc Posted: September 06, 2005 at 11:52 PM (#1601023)
Phillies get their first hit on a terrible call. He was way out.
   23. stubbyc Posted: September 06, 2005 at 11:57 PM (#1601041)
Wow. Burrell just got dominated.
   24. GregD Posted: September 07, 2005 at 12:05 AM (#1601085)
Nothing like coming back in on the radio broadcast...after Howard hits his home run. They have to figure out how to solve that.
   25. Old Matt Posted: September 07, 2005 at 12:16 AM (#1601143)
Is there a reason why Luke Scott is batting third?
   26. AstrosFan Posted: September 07, 2005 at 12:21 AM (#1601171)
It's a creative lineup and he had a couple of xtra base hits last week.

It's interesting that I'm thinking about innings in terms of getting through utley, abreu, burrell, and howard. Phillies fans are probably worried about uh maybe Berkman.

Man he's throwing a lot of strikes. I hope it doesn't bite him.
   27. AstrosFan Posted: September 07, 2005 at 12:25 AM (#1601196)
If the FSSW graphic was right the Astros have hit for 29:00 and the Phillies about 24:20 through 6 innings.
   28. Johnny Zen Posted: September 07, 2005 at 12:52 AM (#1601281)
What the hell, Jimmy?
   29. AstrosFan Posted: September 07, 2005 at 01:09 AM (#1601353)
just inexcusable. Burke or Bruntlett has to pinch hit for Scott and you can't pr for Lance. I guess the game will be won or lost this half inning against Wagner.
   30. AstrosFan Posted: September 07, 2005 at 01:13 AM (#1601372)
<ducks> the crow was pretty good.
   31. Johnny Zen Posted: September 07, 2005 at 01:13 AM (#1601373)
Strap yourselves in for another 1 run loss to the Astros. It'll be the fourth in a row.
   32. Old Matt Posted: September 07, 2005 at 01:17 AM (#1601383)
Charles Gipson strikes again!
   33. Sean Forman Posted: September 07, 2005 at 01:27 AM (#1601427)
It's pretty sad when Michael Tucker is clearly a better choice than the pinch hitter your manager did send up there.
   34. Old Matt Posted: September 07, 2005 at 01:28 AM (#1601431)
Ahahaha, Tomas Perez!
   35. FredUD Posted: September 07, 2005 at 01:30 AM (#1601439)
Phils can't beat the 'Stros!!! 11 straight.
   36. Johnny Zen Posted: September 07, 2005 at 01:32 AM (#1601447)
Great. Another soul crushing, one run loss to the Astros, precipitating another September collapse. No wonder Larry's a ####### lush.
   37. GregD Posted: September 07, 2005 at 01:34 AM (#1601459)
Sucks.
   38. Harris Posted: September 07, 2005 at 01:37 AM (#1601468)
we're done.
   39. Old Matt Posted: September 07, 2005 at 01:37 AM (#1601469)
I'm really upset. Since the Mets blow, I want to see the Phils win it. Manuel's incompetent though.
   40. Larry Bowa Posted: September 07, 2005 at 02:48 AM (#1601744)
Thanks, fellas. Only 21 more to go!

Atta boy, Gump!
   41. gfoxcook Posted: October 22, 2005 at 04:26 AM (#1697605)
#7: Astros: 37.82%

I'm kinda glad I never saw those postseason odds, as 37 is kinda my least favourite number.

2-1... that was a nice one. Roy Oswalt with the win, Brad Lidge with the save... and Billy Wagner with the loss... and he said the Astros didn't want to win. (sigh)

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