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1. I Love LA (OFF) Posted: August 24, 2006 at 04:47 PM (#2155276)

How awesome. Barca gets stuck with Chelsea while we get a Diarra-less Lyon.

2. Sam M. Posted: August 24, 2006 at 04:50 PM (#2155278)

Barca gets stuck with Chelsea

How do you think poor Bremen feel? Ouch.

3. I Love LA (OFF) Posted: August 24, 2006 at 05:01 PM (#2155287)

You know what I was thinking, though. The other two teams are pushovers so both teams should go to the next round quite easily regardless of how they do against each other. The problem will be that since presumably Real will finish first, and Chelsea will finish second, we could draw the Blues in the knock-out round. Hopefully this potentially horrible situation will be resolved by Barca finishing second and getting stuck with Arsenal, or the clubs from Milan.

4. Sam M. Posted: August 24, 2006 at 05:09 PM (#2155295)

You're evil. I hate those early knockout match-ups, whether it's Barca/Arsenal or Real/Chelsea -- doesn't matter. When those teams meet too early and then silly teams advance all the way to the semi-finals, it's just annoying.

If Chelsea doesn't win this time, Mourinho will be found somewhere at the bottom of the Channel. If he's ever found at all.

5. I Love LA (OFF) Posted: August 24, 2006 at 05:21 PM (#2155311)

I hate both teams, but even I have to admit that right now there's no hotter ticket than a Barca-Chelsea matchup. I mean, just think about it. Both teams were LOADED last year, and all they've done this offseason is add Shevshenko, Thuram, Zambrotta, Ballack, Kalou, Obi.. That's simply ridiculous. Even if it helps Barca, I hope Messi shines again if for no other reason that it'll make Mourinho go bonkers.

6. Sam M. Posted: August 24, 2006 at 05:40 PM (#2155331)

I don't mind it when they meet in the group phase -- at that point, they can still control their own fate and advance if they take care of business in their other games. So it's fine by me that Barca and Chelsea are together right now. It's the knockout stage when the cruel match-ups bug me.

7. manchestermets Posted: August 24, 2006 at 06:02 PM (#2155354)

<cite>You're evil. I hate those early knockout match-ups, whether it's Barca/Arsenal or Real/Chelsea -- doesn't matter. When those teams meet too early and then silly teams advance all the way to the semi-finals, it's just annoying.

If Chelsea doesn't win this time, Mourinho will be found somewhere at the bottom of the Channel. If he's ever found at all.</cite>

Heh heh. The difference between US and European sport fandom there. We all love it when a little team makes waves in a knockout trophy. As long as it isn't at our expense of course.

Also, I'd say that Chelsea have been stuck with Barca. Ha ha ha ha ha.

8. Sam M. Posted: August 24, 2006 at 06:12 PM (#2155367)

As long as it isn't at our expense of course.

Precisely! If you happen to root for the giant that got knocked out early on, the presence of some minnow in the semis is not such a happy state of affairs, is it??? Whereas if you are fairly neutral, or better yet it's your side facing PSV in the semis, it's all just peachy. Me? I want to see the greatest players & sides facing off in the late-stage matches.

9. manchestermets Posted: August 24, 2006 at 06:22 PM (#2155384)

Yeah, but that's the risk you take with knockout competitions.

Thing is, to an extent all the knockout competitions - including the European ones - are a sideshow to the leagues. The main target at the start of the year should always be to win your league. I'd happily take Chelsea winning the European Cup if we could ge the league back.

10. Russlan is fond of Dillon Gee Posted: August 24, 2006 at 07:48 PM (#2155522)

Thing is, to an extent all the knockout competitions - including the European ones - are a sideshow to the leagues.

Is that really true?

11. manchestermets Posted: August 24, 2006 at 08:31 PM (#2155551)

On reflection, sideshow is maybe overstating it, but the leagues are certainly the main priority.

12. Banta Posted: August 24, 2006 at 08:36 PM (#2155555)

Cy Young Predictor
Stumbled across this thanks to the Metradamus blog. I had forgotten all about it, since Neyer went to Insider. Pretty, uh, interesting results.

13. Banta Posted: August 24, 2006 at 08:38 PM (#2155557)

I'd have to say that the second candidate in each league is much more likely than who's in first. They'd probably be the ones I'd give it too as well.

14. Raskolnikov Posted: August 24, 2006 at 08:42 PM (#2155563)

I haven't been following my team during the offseason. How does Chelsea look compared to last year? Barca/Chelsea should be fun.

15. Sam M. Posted: August 24, 2006 at 08:46 PM (#2155572)

Wagner's fine work of late has certainly been good to watch, but he isn't going to win the CYA. It'll probably be whichever of Webb, Zambrano, or Carpenter has the best September, perhaps measured by who gets closest to 20 wins. Ironically, the fact that Zambrano has been doing well for the worst team of the three will likely help his chances (unlike the way it usually hurts MVP candidates to play for bad teams).

16. Russlan is fond of Dillon Gee Posted: August 24, 2006 at 08:54 PM (#2155581)

I hope Zambrano wins. He's fun to watch.

Jose Reyes stat-tracker

Hits: He currently has 150, is on pace for 197, goal is 200.
Runs: He currently has 101, is on pace for 132, goal is the league lead, trailing Utley by 3.
Homers: He currently has 15, is on pace for 20, goal is 20.
Triples: He currently has 15, is on pace for 20, goal is 20.

17. Russlan is fond of Dillon Gee Posted: August 24, 2006 at 09:27 PM (#2155610)

Deolis Guerra has been called up to high-A. His numbers in Low-A.

IP-81.2
H-59
K-64
bb-37
hr-3

18. Van Lingle Mungo Jerry Posted: August 24, 2006 at 09:31 PM (#2155616)

Another strong start (and win) by Zambrano today probably pushes him into the lead. Has anyone ever won a CYA while leading his league in walks?

19. greenback

Posted: August 24, 2006 at 10:13 PM (#2155667)

Be a mensch, Jason. That is all.

20. manchestermets Posted: August 24, 2006 at 10:35 PM (#2155696)

NY Daily News: El Duque out of tomorrow's game. Bannister to start, probably Perez on Saturday.

21. Dr. Vaux Posted: August 24, 2006 at 10:42 PM (#2155702)

"General soreness..." I like that. Since every player has that by this point in the season, it's just a fancy way of saying "we want to let him save some bullets and get a look at Bannister." Of course, they could just say that.

22. Joshemy Posted: August 24, 2006 at 10:53 PM (#2155715)

Shawn Green in the lineup, batting 6th and playing RF.

23. PreservedFish Posted: August 24, 2006 at 10:57 PM (#2155719)

It's also been suggested that both Ollie and Bannister will be eligiable for the postseason roster, by getting their roster time in before Sept 1. So a convenient day off for a 40+ starter.

By the way ...

Reyes
LoDuca
Beltran
Delgado
Wright
Green
Valentin
Chavez

That's not a bad looking lineup.

24. Raskolnikov Posted: August 24, 2006 at 11:01 PM (#2155722)

Considering that Castro will be out for a while, maybe it would be a good idea not to wear out Loduca before October?

25. Orange & Blue Velvet Posted: August 24, 2006 at 11:06 PM (#2155726)

Iriki is starting for Norfolk. Ollie was supposed to start tonight, so you've got to assume he'll start Saturday.

26. I Love LA (OFF) Posted: August 24, 2006 at 11:06 PM (#2155727)

It's also been suggested that both Ollie and Bannister will be eligiable for the postseason roster, by getting their roster time in before Sept 1. So a convenient day off for a 40+ starter.

If they are on the 40 man before Sept 1st, aren't they automatically eligible for the postseason roster? Either way, good thing Ollie is getting a chance. He could be a major contributor in October.

27. Russlan is fond of Dillon Gee Posted: August 24, 2006 at 11:06 PM (#2155729)

Castro is basically done for the season as the Mets put him on the 60-day DL.

28. Sam M. Posted: August 24, 2006 at 11:08 PM (#2155730)

Castro is basically done for the season as the Mets put him on the 60-day DL.

Which means, IMHO, that DiFelice should catch at least 10 games the rest of the year. Maybe more.

29. Sam M. Posted: August 24, 2006 at 11:12 PM (#2155732)

When they were each acquired from Arizona, most of us didn't think that either El Duque or Green would help the Mets all that much. Assuming you felt that way, which one would you rather be wrong about in October? That is, which one would help the Mets' cause more if he has a big post-season?

30. Banta Posted: August 24, 2006 at 11:13 PM (#2155733)

Great, SNY is showing that Giants game from April where Bonds homered again. They'll probably only have time to show about 30 minutes of it. How pointless. I'd rather listen to Gary, Keith, and Ron bs for that time.

31. Banta Posted: August 24, 2006 at 11:15 PM (#2155737)

That is, which one would help the Mets' cause more if he has a big post-season?

El Duque's performance is much more important to this team than Green. Well, provided he's a starter in the playoffs, anyway.

32. Orange & Blue Velvet Posted: August 24, 2006 at 11:17 PM (#2155739)

In spots like this, it would be nice to see that 10-run inning against the Braves or the 9th inning comeback against Schilling.

33. PreservedFish Posted: August 24, 2006 at 11:23 PM (#2155747)

El Duque. It would be tough to imagine anything more entertaining than El Duque expanding his reputation as a postseason master and pitching the Mets to victory after victory.

For some reason I am very sure that Green is going to have the type of postseason where his overall numbers are pedestrian, but he gets a few clutch hits, maybe has a decent SLG, and people remember him as an important contributor. It's the only thing I can imagine right now.

34. AJM Posted: August 24, 2006 at 11:24 PM (#2155748)

When's the game supposed to start?

35. Raskolnikov Posted: August 24, 2006 at 11:26 PM (#2155751)

Mulvey's first start in AA. Gave up a solo shot to Jackson Melian in the first, but also struck out 2.

36. Rob Base Posted: August 24, 2006 at 11:27 PM (#2155752)

a 40+ starter

Kitty Foxx is the best.

37. Sam M. Posted: August 24, 2006 at 11:41 PM (#2155759)

Williams is slow, slower, and glacial.

38. Sam M. Posted: August 24, 2006 at 11:44 PM (#2155760)

With a guy like Williams on the mound, Wright's positioning away from the line is even worse than usual. He is just too "pullable" by right-handed hitters, because he (a) will try to come inside (as he should), and (b) doesn't have great stuff.

39. Sam M. Posted: August 24, 2006 at 11:48 PM (#2155761)

That was nice. Williams facing Pujols and Rolen w/ a RISP -- and coming out unscathed? I'll take that every time.

40. AJM Posted: August 24, 2006 at 11:52 PM (#2155764)

That was bad by Encarnacion.

41. Banta Posted: August 24, 2006 at 11:52 PM (#2155765)

Reyes got one of his hits back from earlier in the series right there. That should have been caught.

42. Russlan is fond of Dillon Gee Posted: August 24, 2006 at 11:52 PM (#2155766)

Well, the Cards owed him at least one hit after the last few days.

43. Joshemy Posted: August 24, 2006 at 11:54 PM (#2155767)

Taking it for the team Paul.

44. Sam M. Posted: August 24, 2006 at 11:54 PM (#2155768)

Marquis is off to a great start . . . .

45. I Love LA (OFF) Posted: August 24, 2006 at 11:57 PM (#2155769)

Tectonic plates move faster than Williams.

46. Sam M. Posted: August 24, 2006 at 11:58 PM (#2155770)

Ah, darn. Cohen goes for the "protection" myth . . . .

47. AJM Posted: August 24, 2006 at 11:59 PM (#2155774)

That was disappointing.

48. Sam M. Posted: August 24, 2006 at 11:59 PM (#2155775)

That sucked. I guess we'll have to wait an inning to see if Green offers Wright any line-up protection.

Rolls eyes.

49. Banta Posted: August 25, 2006 at 12:00 AM (#2155776)

That was disappointing.

50. Orange & Blue Velvet Posted: August 25, 2006 at 12:00 AM (#2155778)

I bet the Mets have the lowest GIDP total in baseball.

51. Banta Posted: August 25, 2006 at 12:01 AM (#2155779)

...yeah, I'm definitely spending too much time with you guys.

52. Sam M. Posted: August 25, 2006 at 12:01 AM (#2155780)

Kris Benson is off to a roaring start tonight . . . .

53. Orange & Blue Velvet Posted: August 25, 2006 at 12:04 AM (#2155782)

Kris '4.2 K/9' Benson.

54. Banta Posted: August 25, 2006 at 12:05 AM (#2155783)

Holy crap, Dave Williams is awesome.

55. Sam M. Posted: August 25, 2006 at 12:06 AM (#2155785)

You know you have problems when: you can't catch up to Dave Williams' "heat."

56. Sam M. Posted: August 25, 2006 at 12:08 AM (#2155787)

Met Rookies of the Year: Seaver, Matlack, Gooden, Straw.

57. Banta Posted: August 25, 2006 at 12:09 AM (#2155788)

That's tough luck.

58. Sam M. Posted: August 25, 2006 at 12:09 AM (#2155789)

Oops. That didn't go well.

59. AJM Posted: August 25, 2006 at 12:10 AM (#2155790)

Green off too a great start.

60. Banta Posted: August 25, 2006 at 12:11 AM (#2155793)

Gotta love the Stache.

61. Russlan is fond of Dillon Gee Posted: August 25, 2006 at 12:13 AM (#2155794)

When Minaya began shopping Benson, I said I would have been happy if the Mets just dumped his salary. The way he faded down the stretch last year scared me.

62. Banta Posted: August 25, 2006 at 12:17 AM (#2155797)

Baseball was invented in Atlantis. True story.

63. Joshemy Posted: August 25, 2006 at 12:18 AM (#2155798)

Dave Williams keeps rolling.

64. I Love LA (OFF) Posted: August 25, 2006 at 12:19 AM (#2155800)

Hmm...didn't MLB lower the mounds a while ago?

65. manchestermets Posted: August 25, 2006 at 12:19 AM (#2155802)

Ew, I don't like this new stuff between the innings on mlb.tv.

66. Sam M. Posted: August 25, 2006 at 12:20 AM (#2155803)

Baseball was invented in Atlantis. True story.

And brought back through the Stargate?

67. Russlan is fond of Dillon Gee Posted: August 25, 2006 at 12:21 AM (#2155805)

Did Hideo Nomo win the ROY with the Dodgers?

68. Banta Posted: August 25, 2006 at 12:22 AM (#2155806)

And brought back through the Stargate?

That's a common misconception. It was actually the only surviving citizen of Atlantis, Julio Franco, who kept the game alive.

69. Joshemy Posted: August 25, 2006 at 12:23 AM (#2155807)

Todd Hollandsworth won the ROY with the Dodgers, I believe.

70. Sam M. Posted: August 25, 2006 at 12:24 AM (#2155808)

That's a common misconception. It was actually the only surviving citizen of Atlantis, Julio Franco, who kept the game alive.

Now, that's got to be the # 1 all-time "Franco's old" joke. Awesome.

71. AJM Posted: August 25, 2006 at 12:25 AM (#2155809)

Reyes is awesome.

72. Banta Posted: August 25, 2006 at 12:25 AM (#2155811)

Did Hideo Nomo win the ROY with the Dodgers?

Yep. I thought that Chipper should have that year.

73. AJM Posted: August 25, 2006 at 12:26 AM (#2155813)

A Nady-esque play from Preston.

74. Sam M. Posted: August 25, 2006 at 12:26 AM (#2155814)

A LoDuca triple???? Rarer than . . . a Tour de France rider testing clean?

75. Russlan is fond of Dillon Gee Posted: August 25, 2006 at 12:27 AM (#2155815)

That's hometown scoring.

76. Banta Posted: August 25, 2006 at 12:27 AM (#2155816)

Now, that's got to be the # 1 all-time "Franco's old" joke. Awesome.

I might need to retire from Primer now.

What happened to Wilson out there? He looked pretty rattled.

77. Joshemy Posted: August 25, 2006 at 12:27 AM (#2155817)

Preston Wilson is certainly an adventure out there.

I also have no idea how LoDuca gets credit for a triple on that. At least a double and base error, if not a single and two base error.

I also concur with Sam. That was well done Banta.

78. Russlan is fond of Dillon Gee Posted: August 25, 2006 at 12:29 AM (#2155818)

If I were scoring that play, Lo Doca doesn't even get a hit there.

79. Joshemy Posted: August 25, 2006 at 12:31 AM (#2155820)

And Jason Marquis has lost the plate.

80. AJM Posted: August 25, 2006 at 12:31 AM (#2155821)

Bases loaded. Let's go David!

81. Banta Posted: August 25, 2006 at 12:31 AM (#2155822)

Remember when Wright hit homeruns?

82. Sam M. Posted: August 25, 2006 at 12:31 AM (#2155823)

Come and get some stuff, David. All for you, baby.

83. Joshemy Posted: August 25, 2006 at 12:32 AM (#2155825)

Remember when Wright hit homeruns?

For a moment, I thought so.

It's a run, I guess. Let's see if Green can contribute here.

84. Banta Posted: August 25, 2006 at 12:32 AM (#2155826)

Damn it, my comment ALMOST got Wright the homerun. I guess it didn't work because I was intentionally going for that.

85. Sam M. Posted: August 25, 2006 at 12:32 AM (#2155827)

Good job. A very nice sign that he went the other way with authority. Excellent, just a bit short of the downs.

86. Banta Posted: August 25, 2006 at 12:33 AM (#2155829)

GREEN!

87. I Love LA (OFF) Posted: August 25, 2006 at 12:34 AM (#2155830)

I don't care what the numbers say, Shawn Green is a good hitter.

88. Joshemy Posted: August 25, 2006 at 12:34 AM (#2155831)

Hmm... I think Taguchi should have caught that.

But, hey, a Green RBI!

89. PreservedFish Posted: August 25, 2006 at 12:34 AM (#2155832)

Shawn Green!

90. AJM Posted: August 25, 2006 at 12:34 AM (#2155833)

Green contributes!

91. Joshemy Posted: August 25, 2006 at 12:35 AM (#2155834)

That swing makes Stache look a little rusty.

92. Banta Posted: August 25, 2006 at 12:43 AM (#2155836)

Seriously, that ball right there... who else gets that ball but Endy?

And nice play Wright!

93. Russlan is fond of Dillon Gee Posted: August 25, 2006 at 12:43 AM (#2155837)

Chavez catchs everything.

94. PreservedFish Posted: August 25, 2006 at 12:48 AM (#2155842)

Dave Williams has the Mets' most unsightly Gamecast photo

95. Russlan is fond of Dillon Gee Posted: August 25, 2006 at 12:50 AM (#2155843)

Kaz Matsui played for the Rockies yesterday. A double and walk in 4 plate appearances.

96. Banta Posted: August 25, 2006 at 12:53 AM (#2155846)

Kaz Matsui played for the Rockies yesterday. A double and walk in 4 plate appearances.

He got a hit pinchhitting today too.

97. I Love LA (OFF) Posted: August 25, 2006 at 12:54 AM (#2155847)

Typical. Kaz leaves and becomes a suprstar somewhere else

98. AJM Posted: August 25, 2006 at 12:54 AM (#2155848)

Gary Bennett?

99. Joshemy Posted: August 25, 2006 at 12:55 AM (#2155849)

Gary Bennett? That was unexpected.

100. Russlan is fond of Dillon Gee Posted: August 25, 2006 at 12:55 AM (#2155850)

I'm rooting for him. He always gave it his all and handled himself with dignity.

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