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1. Tony H. Posted: September 08, 2005 at 07:13 PM (#1605240)

I swear I looked it up last night and this game was listed as a night game. ####. I'll miss the first few innings.

2. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: September 08, 2005 at 07:34 PM (#1605325)

The Tribe's looking to finish off their second sweep in as many days.

When did Matthew get the keys? Congrats, Matthew.

3. Matthew Rich Posted: September 08, 2005 at 07:36 PM (#1605333)

Thanks, ECE.

I've actually always had them, I just never posted anything until now.

4. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: September 08, 2005 at 07:38 PM (#1605343)

DETROIT                              CLEVELAND                             
                      AVG  HR  RBI                         AVG  HR  RBI   
Placido Polanco 2B   .332   3   28   Grady Sizemore CF    .286  17   71   
Chris Shelton 1B     .295  12   46   Coco Crisp LF        .298  11   56   
Ivan Rodriguez C     .290  13   47   Jhonny Peralta SS    .284  20   67   
Magglio Ordonez RF   .323   7   40   Travis Hafner DH     .306  25   86   
Dmitri Young LF      .267  21   70   Ronnie Belliard 2B   .279  12   63   
Carlos Pena DH       .233  10   30   Jose Hernandez 1B    .236   6   29   
Brandon Inge 3B      .263  12   62   Aaron Boone 3B       .242  13   49   
Omar Infante SS      .227   7   41   Josh Bard C          .192   1    9   
Curtis Granderson CF .254   4    9   Casey Blake RF       .245  19   47   

Nate Robertson LHP   (6-12, 4.33)    Kevin Millwood RHP   (7-11, 3.15)

Have you seen this man?

5. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: September 08, 2005 at 07:41 PM (#1605355)

There's been a Ken Hill sighting on the pregame show.

6. Bernal Diaz has an angel on his shoulder Posted: September 08, 2005 at 07:41 PM (#1605356)

This is a vry strange lineup. I totally expected to see Garko and Gutierrez starting today. In fact my lineup would be this.

Sizemore
Guitierrez
Vaszquez
Hafner
Belliard
Garko
Boone
Bard
Blake

Maybe not in that order

7. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: September 08, 2005 at 07:43 PM (#1605360)

Wow, now it's Paul Sorrento.

Can't wait to see Scooter Tucker or Gregg Olson next.

8. Bernal Diaz has an angel on his shoulder Posted: September 08, 2005 at 07:44 PM (#1605361)

Is Paulie fat?

9. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: September 08, 2005 at 07:48 PM (#1605379)

It was old-school Paulie video.

Needle was doing a story on how great the '95 team was.

10. Matthew Rich Posted: September 08, 2005 at 07:49 PM (#1605383)

I don't see Garko or FG in anything other than a PH/PR role until somebody clinches the WC. They absolutely cannot afford to give away anything right now.

I'm obviously not real big on the value of Veteran Presence (otherwise I probably wouldn't be posting here) but I think Wedge is right to start Jose Hernandez today rather than give Garko or Gutierrez their first major league at bats in the middle of a madcap 3-way battle for a playoff spot.

11. Matthew Rich Posted: September 08, 2005 at 07:53 PM (#1605401)

Anybody know the story with John Farrell's one appearance in 1995?

12. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: September 08, 2005 at 07:57 PM (#1605420)

I tend to agree with your general point, Matthew, but Bard is so bad offensively. It might be worth giving Garko a start behind the plate.

I don't know much about him defensively, other than he doesn't have a good reputation. No idea if that's in terms of his arm, or his ability to block pitches in the dirt, or his ability yo call a game.

If Millwood isn't comfortable with the idea of starting Garko, you don't do it, but it's not as if you lose much offensively even if Garko The Destroyer is pressing.

13. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: September 08, 2005 at 08:00 PM (#1605441)

Anybody know the story with John Farrell’s one appearance in 1995?

IIRC, he was trying to come back from an arm injury, but I don't remember why it was just one appearance.

14. Bernal Diaz has an angel on his shoulder Posted: September 08, 2005 at 08:01 PM (#1605450)

Anybody know the story with John Farrell’s one appearance in 1995?

Farrell came back from a long rehab. He ws pitching well until Greg Kosc farted and tore Farrell's labrum in the process. Damn you Greg Kosc.

15. Matthew Rich Posted: September 08, 2005 at 08:03 PM (#1605459)

I thought the FO had pretty much decided to make Garko a full time 1B though.

Anyway, maybe we'll get to see (or in my case, listen to) him pinch hit today.

16. Bernal Diaz has an angel on his shoulder Posted: September 08, 2005 at 08:03 PM (#1605468)

Looking at retro it looks like Dennis Martinez started the game and only pitched one inning giving up 2 runs. then Farrell came in, pitched 4.2 innings and gave up 4 runs.

He was released in the off season and pitched breifly for the Mariners. I would venture to guess that he hurt his arm.

17. Bernal Diaz has an angel on his shoulder Posted: September 08, 2005 at 08:06 PM (#1605480)

Back to Farrell, he has been huge in developing this team. Huge.

18. zempf Posted: September 08, 2005 at 08:08 PM (#1605490)

Looks like he came in in relief of Dennis Martinez on September 17 of '95. Gave up a couple of runs in a few innings & was never heard from again.

19. zempf Posted: September 08, 2005 at 08:10 PM (#1605493)

Dammit. Bernal beat me.

20. Bernal Diaz has an angel on his shoulder Posted: September 08, 2005 at 08:14 PM (#1605505)

Dear kevin Millwood,

Please get yur head out of your ass. Thanks.

BD

21. zempf Posted: September 08, 2005 at 08:15 PM (#1605508)

Glad they've got Bard in there for his superior defense.

22. Matthew Rich Posted: September 08, 2005 at 08:15 PM (#1605509)

Well, this is just going swimmingly.

23. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: September 08, 2005 at 08:16 PM (#1605514)

I thought the FO had pretty much decided to make Garko a full time 1B though.

He was playing 5 games a week at first, 2 games a week at catcher, IIRC.

24. Bernal Diaz has an angel on his shoulder Posted: September 08, 2005 at 08:17 PM (#1605518)

The Tigers baserunning is terrible.

25. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: September 08, 2005 at 08:18 PM (#1605524)

The Tigers baserunning is terrible.

Maybe they should hire Rick Manning to be their baserunning coach.

26. MLB Posted: September 08, 2005 at 08:20 PM (#1605529)

Young grounded into double play first, Ordonez out at third.

Explain.

27. Bernal Diaz has an angel on his shoulder Posted: September 08, 2005 at 08:20 PM (#1605534)

Joe West behind the plate?

It is going to be a long day.

28. zempf Posted: September 08, 2005 at 08:21 PM (#1605536)

Runners on 2nd & 3rd, nobody out. Groundball to first, Hernandez steps on first, notices that Ordonez seems to be running to third for some reason (despite the fact that Rodriguez on third isn't going anywhere) & they get him in a rundown & catch him in no-man's land.

29. Bernal Diaz has an angel on his shoulder Posted: September 08, 2005 at 08:22 PM (#1605539)

Young grounded into double play first, Ordonez out at third.

Explain.

Pudge on 3rd. Didn;t break for home. Mags goes to 3rd. 2 runners on the same base. lead runner gets the base. Mags out.

30. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: September 08, 2005 at 08:23 PM (#1605544)

Young grounded into double play first, Ordonez out at third.
Explain.

On a ground ball to first, Ordonez put his head down and took off for third while Pudge stood there on third and didn't move. They both ended up standing at third.

31. JD Posted: September 08, 2005 at 08:24 PM (#1605548)

Nice job (or nice luck) to get away with only 2 runs.

I too am surprised to see Garko not behind the plate, but I guess Bard plays as the backup C on the "go with what has gotten you here" theory.

32. zempf Posted: September 08, 2005 at 08:24 PM (#1605549)

Children everywhere should be shown that inning and told that this is NOT how to play baseball. Passed ball, double play ball turned into an error, TERRIBLE baserunning..

33. Bernal Diaz has an angel on his shoulder Posted: September 08, 2005 at 08:26 PM (#1605557)

I have a feeling that Alan Trammel is not going to be manageing this team next year.

Good to see the Indians are being patient with the Cowboy behind the plate.

34. Bernal Diaz has an angel on his shoulder Posted: September 08, 2005 at 08:27 PM (#1605566)

Ok Robertson has what? 7 pitches that inning and the Indians swung at 5 of them?

35. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: September 08, 2005 at 08:33 PM (#1605581)

I sense Milwood is not long for this game

36. Bernal Diaz has an angel on his shoulder Posted: September 08, 2005 at 08:34 PM (#1605585)

You gotta pull Millwood right now. NOW!!!

37. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: September 08, 2005 at 08:34 PM (#1605587)

This is brutal.

MLB, if you're still here, any word on if you'll be able to join us Monday?

38. Bernal Diaz has an angel on his shoulder Posted: September 08, 2005 at 08:36 PM (#1605591)

This is why I am not a huge Wegde fan. He really needs to get off his butt and yank Millwood.

39. MLB Posted: September 08, 2005 at 08:57 PM (#1605650)

Juvenile word rearrangement fun: "butt", "yank", "wedge", ... "huge", ... "get off". It's weird anticipating meeting y'all in person, because I'm not likely to behave like this.

40. MLB Posted: September 08, 2005 at 09:09 PM (#1605673)

Did we all collapse from the stress of another multi-Tiger-baserunner inning and lose our ability to post?

41. Tony H. Posted: September 08, 2005 at 09:11 PM (#1605676)

Indians will win this game.

42. Bernal Diaz has an angel on his shoulder Posted: September 08, 2005 at 09:13 PM (#1605680)

Did we all collapse from the stress of another multi-Tiger-baserunner inning and lose our ability to post?

Nope, I just had to take a dump and got engrossed in the new Cabela's catalog.

43. Tony H. Posted: September 08, 2005 at 09:14 PM (#1605685)

is granderson the guy who robbed jhonny of that home run earlier in the series?

44. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: September 08, 2005 at 09:15 PM (#1605686)

Nah, I'm getting ready to tape a couple sportscasts, so I've been trying to get some work done.

Is Millwood over 100 pitches yet?

45. Tony H. Posted: September 08, 2005 at 09:17 PM (#1605693)

no, i forgot. millwood is pitching. no way cleveland wins this game.

46. Bernal Diaz has an angel on his shoulder Posted: September 08, 2005 at 09:20 PM (#1605701)

Grady HR. I am calling it.

47. Bernal Diaz has an angel on his shoulder Posted: September 08, 2005 at 09:21 PM (#1605702)

Next time maybe.

48. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: September 08, 2005 at 09:34 PM (#1605737)

Cabrera warming in the Tribe pen.

49. Tony H. Posted: September 08, 2005 at 09:38 PM (#1605749)

Indians have a losing record in day games.

Also, we are 20-30 in 1-run games. That is crazy with the bullpen we've got. The beginning of the season killed us there. Just think if the Indians had even a .500 record in 1-run games. Does it make sense to criticize Wedge for this stat? I think it does, as it seems like he's left his starters in too long a lot this year.

50. MLB Posted: September 08, 2005 at 09:39 PM (#1605751)

Wow. Five innings, two runs, six strikeouts. What a dominant performance!

51. Tony H. Posted: September 08, 2005 at 09:39 PM (#1605753)

a hit woohoo!

52. Tony H. Posted: September 08, 2005 at 09:43 PM (#1605760)

aaron boone is the greatest player ever

53. JD Posted: September 08, 2005 at 09:43 PM (#1605762)

Aaron Boone is aweseome.

54. Matthew Rich Posted: September 08, 2005 at 09:44 PM (#1605766)

Aaron, I'm partly sorry for all those horrible things I said about you earlier in the year.

55. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: September 08, 2005 at 09:44 PM (#1605767)

AFB still sucks.

But that was awesome.

56. MLB Posted: September 08, 2005 at 09:48 PM (#1605778)

Wow, I was just thinking to myself that it felt like another AFB setup. After sucking for the first couple months, he's actually been solid overall, and it seems, anecdotally, that he's had more than his share of such heroics. I thought, "Boone, be a hero again." Yeah.

57. MLB Posted: September 08, 2005 at 09:53 PM (#1605792)

The Tigers had their chance. If they couldn't put us away with 11 baserunners through 4.5 while their starter gave up just a walk, the game recap has written itself. Yes, I'm inviting the wrath of irony by proclaiming this now.

58. Ben Posted: September 08, 2005 at 09:55 PM (#1605800)

I'm still not sorry about all the horrible things I've said about Jose Hernandez, even though he's made two very headsup players at first the past week.

Freaking Jose Hernandez at first.

59. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: September 08, 2005 at 09:55 PM (#1605801)

As awful as Casey's been this year, his OPS is pretty much exactly his career average.

60. JD Posted: September 08, 2005 at 09:55 PM (#1605802)

Boone. Blake. Wow. F-ing wow.

61. Tony H. Posted: September 08, 2005 at 09:55 PM (#1605803)

I KNEW HE WAS GOING TO HIT A HOME RUN RIGHT THERE

i said it to myself. should've posted it.

whatever casey's personal problem was, i'm glad he got over it, for his own sake and for the sake of the indians.

62. MLB Posted: September 08, 2005 at 09:56 PM (#1605806)

Also, anecdotally, it seems as though Blake and Boone go together a lot.

63. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: September 08, 2005 at 09:59 PM (#1605814)

Covelli!

64. Ben Posted: September 08, 2005 at 09:59 PM (#1605815)

Ernie- That's going to happen pretty often when the current season comprises 1/4 of his total AB.

Anyway, this is why you don't inexplicably move your decent hitting third baseman to RF.

Yay for Coco.

65. JD Posted: September 08, 2005 at 09:59 PM (#1605817)

Coco!

If I were the Tigers, I would go home now.

66. Tony H. Posted: September 08, 2005 at 09:59 PM (#1605818)

haha way to go covelli this is fun.

67. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: September 08, 2005 at 10:00 PM (#1605823)

Detroit ought to just kill themselves for losing this game

68. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: September 08, 2005 at 10:02 PM (#1605830)

That’s going to happen pretty often when the current season comprises 1/4 of his total AB.

Yeah, that's probably true, but even if you take this year out:

Casey '05: .759 OPS
Before '05: .770 OPS

He's still a bad-hitting and bad-fielding corner outfielder, but his season totals aren't going to be all that bad...considering the first half he had.

69. Bernal Diaz has an angel on his shoulder Posted: September 08, 2005 at 10:11 PM (#1605858)

Sure, I go get some Korean food and wee what I miss.

70. Matthew Rich Posted: September 08, 2005 at 10:16 PM (#1605878)

I love Korean food. But I always smell bad after I eat it. So my wife is not so into me eating it.

ECE what makes you say Blake is a bad-fielding corner OFer? I think he's pretty good out there, but I'm not much of a scout.

71. Bernal Diaz has an angel on his shoulder Posted: September 08, 2005 at 10:18 PM (#1605883)

Blake is good side to side. He does have trouble with balls hit ovr his head that he has to go back on. he is average coming in to make a catch.

72. Tony H. Posted: September 08, 2005 at 10:18 PM (#1605884)

I'm kinda with Matthew on Blake in RF. His instincts don't seem that great, and sometimes he makes it look pretty ugly out there, but he seems to get the job done at least decently.

73. MLB Posted: September 08, 2005 at 10:24 PM (#1605902)

This is the only MLB game happening now. How is it #6 on the hot threads list?

74. Bernal Diaz has an angel on his shoulder Posted: September 08, 2005 at 10:26 PM (#1605906)

Hell yeah. That is why Bob Howry should be the closer!!!!

75. Tony H. Posted: September 08, 2005 at 10:26 PM (#1605907)

#### yeah howry

76. JD Posted: September 08, 2005 at 10:26 PM (#1605908)

Great work Howry.

77. MLB Posted: September 08, 2005 at 10:26 PM (#1605909)

Fun with statistics:
Teams most likely to make the postseason:
St. Louis
Chicago (A)
Atlanta
San Diego
Boston
Cleveland

78. MLB Posted: September 08, 2005 at 10:28 PM (#1605913)

Whew. For some reason, the first thought that struck me on seeing 74-76 was sarcasm, before I updated GameCenter. I don't know why.

79. Tony H. Posted: September 08, 2005 at 10:30 PM (#1605920)

Fun with statistics:
Teams most likely to make the postseason:
St. Louis
Chicago (A)
Atlanta
San Diego
Boston
Cleveland

I also notice that the Indians are the #2 team in baseball according to W3, only .5 behind the Cardinals.

80. MLB Posted: September 08, 2005 at 10:30 PM (#1605923)

This game may drop Cleveland (in underlying number, if not in slot) in BPro's Hit List rankings.

81. Tony H. Posted: September 08, 2005 at 10:33 PM (#1605927)

I also notice that the Indians are the #2 team in baseball according to W3, only .5 behind the Cardinals.

Actually, I take that back. We're #1 in baseball according to W3 winning percentage. Ahead of even the Cardinals. Weird.

82. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: September 08, 2005 at 10:34 PM (#1605930)

ECE what makes you say Blake is a bad-fielding corner OFer? I think he’s pretty good out there, but I’m not much of a scout.

Sorry to disappear after I said that.

I think he has a really strong arm and pretty good range, but to me he looks like a guy who's never played the outfield before.

He gets some bad jumps and takes the occasional "interesting" route to the ball.

When I say he's a bad-fielding outfielder, I don't mean Manny-bad or Kevin Mitchell-bad. I just mean worse than average.

YMMV, of course.

83. JD Posted: September 08, 2005 at 10:55 PM (#1605985)

Great win. A fantastic recovery by Millwood, some homers, and Wickman 1-2-3.

84. DanG Posted: May 17, 2006 at 12:53 PM (#2023998)

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85. DanG Posted: May 17, 2006 at 01:33 PM (#2024017)

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