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Monday, April 16, 2012

Mets (6-3) @ Braves (5-4), Monday, April 16, 2012, 7:10pm

NYM:Dillon Gee (26, RHP, 0-1, 5.06)
ATL:Tommy Hanson (25, RHP, 1-1, 2.70)

The Primer Chimp Posted: April 16, 2012 at 10:00 AM | 79 comment(s)
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   1. Rickey Fredonia Fudge Duckery Precious Twiddle Posted: April 16, 2012 at 06:58 PM (#4108300)
Someone needs to take a weed whacker to Dillon Gee's chin.
   2. Why Bloody Valdespin? Posted: April 16, 2012 at 07:10 PM (#4108308)
Someone needs to take a weed whacker to Dillon Gee, period. He was pretty good in his first start though.
   3. AJM Posted: April 16, 2012 at 07:11 PM (#4108311)
Dillon Gee is not Mike Pelfrey, so he has that going for him.
   4. Why Bloody Valdespin? Posted: April 16, 2012 at 07:13 PM (#4108313)
After arguing against Tejada's presence for what seems like forever, he's starting to win me over. Even his outs tend to be good at bats.
   5. AJM Posted: April 16, 2012 at 07:15 PM (#4108315)
Yeah, I was about to say that Tejada is starting to grow on me.
   6. Why Bloody Valdespin? Posted: April 16, 2012 at 07:18 PM (#4108317)
Tejada's minor league stat line is pretty terrible. Hopefully, something just clicked late last year.
   7. AJM Posted: April 16, 2012 at 07:21 PM (#4108319)
Alan, how's the poker going?
   8. Lassus Posted: April 16, 2012 at 07:24 PM (#4108323)
You suck, Chipper.
   9. Lassus Posted: April 16, 2012 at 07:25 PM (#4108324)
As do all of you Tejada latecomers. :-)
   10. AJM Posted: April 16, 2012 at 07:26 PM (#4108326)
Using MLBtv for the first time this year. It's probably just my new computer, but the picture looks better than last year.

Though I wish my blu-ray player was cooperating so I could watch it through that.
   11. Lassus Posted: April 16, 2012 at 07:28 PM (#4108328)
Yeah, the MLB.com picture has been stellar lately.
   12. Why Bloody Valdespin? Posted: April 16, 2012 at 07:29 PM (#4108331)
Been a while since anything worth mentioning, AJM. Last cash of any substance was back in May, and with no internet poker and an unwillingness on my part to live abroad, have only played a dozen or so tournaments since last year's WSOP. In NY now, but heading to Vegas in a week or so. Going to try to play pretty much every day through the middle of July. If nothing looks promising on the internet front at that point, might move to Canada for a while.

I've been meaning to ask you, where, in anyplace, do you play in Florida? A friend of mine was playing at the Hard Rock down there in March, and he was in a game with Jonathan Papelbon, with Cliff Lee at the next table. I can't imagine a person I'd be much happier to see at a poker table than Jonathan Papelbon. Friend isn't a Mets fan, so he failed to mention the legendary Omir Santos.
   13. Lassus Posted: April 16, 2012 at 07:34 PM (#4108336)
I can't imagine a person I'd be much happier to see at a poker table than Jonathan Papelbon.

Awesome.
   14. AJM Posted: April 16, 2012 at 07:35 PM (#4108339)
I haven't played in a while, but I usually go down to the Hard Rock in Hollywood. The 1/2 games were super soft when I've been there.
   15. Lassus Posted: April 16, 2012 at 07:39 PM (#4108345)
Gee, I'm losing patience here.
   16. Lassus Posted: April 16, 2012 at 07:40 PM (#4108347)
See, if you hadn't walked that ugly #######, the fat one wouldn't have been able to waddle home.
   17. Why Bloody Valdespin? Posted: April 16, 2012 at 07:43 PM (#4108351)
I was at a Hard Rock in Florida once. Can't remember if it was Tampa or Hollywood. The cash games were indeed very soft.

Gee is not impressing.
   18. Lassus Posted: April 16, 2012 at 07:48 PM (#4108359)
Whoa, that was almost a shockingly good bunt by a Met.
   19. Lassus Posted: April 16, 2012 at 07:50 PM (#4108362)
Alan, do you ever travel to the smaller casinos for no-limit fish games, or is that just not a money-maker? I only ask being within spitting distance of Turning Stone up here outside of Utica, where I'd imagine those types are in a barrel. (At the same time, maybe the native American casinos don't offer no-limit games of any size. I am a complete dilettante here.
   20. AJM Posted: April 16, 2012 at 07:51 PM (#4108363)
I got a cool birthday gift last week, tickets to the Mets at Tampa in June!
   21. Why Bloody Valdespin? Posted: April 16, 2012 at 07:51 PM (#4108365)
Runs without hitting the ball out of the infield are always satisfying.
   22. AJM Posted: April 16, 2012 at 07:55 PM (#4108372)
maybe the native American casinos don't offer no-limit games of any size

Turning Stone cash game limits.
   23. Lassus Posted: April 16, 2012 at 07:57 PM (#4108373)
Nice inning, Gee.
   24. Why Bloody Valdespin? Posted: April 16, 2012 at 07:57 PM (#4108375)
Lassus, Turning Stone has great games. I went there a bunch 5 or so years ago (went to school in Binghamton for awhile). They've got a huge poker room, as big as most of the more well known casinos, and I'm pretty sure they have a bunch of .50/1 through 5/5 no-limit games running 24 hours a day. I don't really travel to play cash games, but they are definitely profitable and consistently so, a lot more than tournaments. Also a pretty nice casino for what it is, though, like any casino, it can be a rather depressing place to be for any extended period of time.
   25. Why Bloody Valdespin? Posted: April 16, 2012 at 07:58 PM (#4108376)
I got a cool birthday gift last week, tickets to the Mets at Tampa in June!

Think the Rays fans will outnumber the Mets fans?
   26. Lassus Posted: April 16, 2012 at 07:59 PM (#4108377)
Turning Stone cash game limits.

I'm also doing research for a traveling choral conductor while watching this! I can't google every damned thing I think of! ;-)

More out of curiosity, is that just generally a crap time for crap stakes to you, Alan?
   27. Lassus Posted: April 16, 2012 at 08:00 PM (#4108378)
Ah, I see you answered.

Yeah, I'm as amateur as one gets, thought about playing there a bit. I was disappointed Turning Stone didn't have a sports book to place a long-term Mets bet.

An upstate NY casino is probably even more depressing than many, because they you are.... here.
   28. AJM Posted: April 16, 2012 at 08:07 PM (#4108385)
Think the Rays fans will outnumber the Mets fans?

I'm not sure the D'Rays fans can outnumber Royal fans.
   29. AJM Posted: April 16, 2012 at 08:11 PM (#4108387)
I wish a casino here would run 2-7 draw. I'd definitely go more.
   30. AJM Posted: April 16, 2012 at 08:16 PM (#4108390)
Thole has a 6/1 BB/K ratio this year.
   31. AJM Posted: April 16, 2012 at 08:21 PM (#4108396)
Wow, Bay!
   32. Lassus Posted: April 16, 2012 at 08:21 PM (#4108397)
That is why I love Jason Bay even now.
   33. Zeba Zeba Eata Posted: April 16, 2012 at 08:23 PM (#4108398)
Woot. That was an awesome catch.
   34. Lassus Posted: April 16, 2012 at 08:23 PM (#4108399)
I wish a casino here would run 2-7 draw. I'd definitely go more.

Utica always looking for more people! :-)
   35. Rickey Fredonia Fudge Duckery Precious Twiddle Posted: April 16, 2012 at 08:27 PM (#4108407)
I'm pretty sure Jason Bay robbing Jack Wilson of a HR is the least probable play possible.
   36. formerly dp Posted: April 16, 2012 at 08:28 PM (#4108408)
Wow, that was a great catch.

Now back to the couch, taking advantage of the fact that I can watch this game on cable b/c they're playing the Braves.

As do all of you Tejada latecomers. :-)

How many on the bandwagon now? He's playing with confidence this year-- working a lot of deep counts, roping liners, ect. Just hoping Torres doesn't push him back to the #8 spot. Really, Tejada's the leadoff/#2 hitter of the future, and hitting him #8 does nothing to help him along that path.
   37. Lassus Posted: April 16, 2012 at 08:29 PM (#4108410)
Ruben Tejada mocks you all.
   38. Lassus Posted: April 16, 2012 at 08:30 PM (#4108411)
Man, that was unlucky.
   39. formerly dp Posted: April 16, 2012 at 08:30 PM (#4108412)
I'm pretty sure Jason Bay robbing Jack Wilson of a HR is the least probable play possible.

On so many levels. Wilson took it well though. I would have extended a large finger his way, to go along with the "holy #### what just happened" smile he managed to put on.
   40. Why Bloody Valdespin? Posted: April 16, 2012 at 08:34 PM (#4108413)
More out of curiosity, is that just generally a crap time for crap stakes to you, Alan?

It's not that the stakes aren't worth it. It's that I just find tournament keep my attention much better than cash games, and prevent me from doing stupid things with my money. I mostly keep away from higher stakes cash games too.

Also, 2-7 in any form is incredibly fun, and I apologize for not taking your Tejada-love seriously, Lassus. I hope you realize that the conversion of many us here all but dooms him to a .22/.290/.300 line for the rest of his career.
   41. Why Bloody Valdespin? Posted: April 16, 2012 at 08:34 PM (#4108414)
Ike Davis is a friend to all!
   42. Lassus Posted: April 16, 2012 at 08:34 PM (#4108415)
POW
   43. Zeba Zeba Eata Posted: April 16, 2012 at 08:34 PM (#4108416)
Oh, that's sweet, Ike!
   44. formerly dp Posted: April 16, 2012 at 08:34 PM (#4108417)
I really, really thought Ike was about to strike out there.
   45. Lassus Posted: April 16, 2012 at 08:37 PM (#4108418)
It's that I just find tournament keep my attention much better than cash games, and prevent me from doing stupid things with my money.

There is not a lot stupid to do up here with your money, though, so that's a bonus.


Also, 2-7 in any form is incredibly fun, and I apologize for not taking your Tejada-love seriously, Lassus. I hope you realize that the conversion of many us here all but dooms him to a .22/.290/.300 line for the rest of his career.

If this happens, I will totally find all of you and make you hit fungoes to Cedeno for a year, and not the one we have currently.

   46. AJM Posted: April 16, 2012 at 08:40 PM (#4108420)
I leave the room for 5 minutes and they score 3 runs. It figures.
   47. Lassus Posted: April 16, 2012 at 08:41 PM (#4108421)
I would like to count this as a good start for Gee, but I think it's mostly the fact that Atlanta sucks.
   48. formerly dp Posted: April 16, 2012 at 08:42 PM (#4108423)
There is not a lot stupid to do up here with your money, though, so that's a bonus.

Wait, going to Utica in and of itself isn't a stupid thing to do with your money?

In f-dp's house, Met game just got pre-empted for last night's Game of Thrones.
   49. Zeba Zeba Eata Posted: April 16, 2012 at 08:47 PM (#4108425)
That was a seriously off-target throw by Uggla.
   50. AJM Posted: April 16, 2012 at 08:49 PM (#4108429)
I like Kirk, I hope he's here to stay.
   51. CrosbyBird Posted: April 16, 2012 at 08:53 PM (#4108434)
I am still not a Tejada believer. I don't think any player with a history of such little power is very likely to ever be much better than an average player unless he's incredible defensively, and I haven't seen much reason to believe he's substantially better than average with the glove.

What am I missing?
   52. Zeba Zeba Eata Posted: April 16, 2012 at 08:57 PM (#4108440)
That's a highly unfortunate result.
   53. AJM Posted: April 16, 2012 at 08:57 PM (#4108441)
That wasn't good.
   54. AJM Posted: April 16, 2012 at 09:00 PM (#4108446)
What am I missing?

Most shortstops are shitty hitters.
   55. Lassus Posted: April 16, 2012 at 09:01 PM (#4108449)
Hmmm.... I went to get wine and I missed a run. Let's see....

PFFFT WIld pitch! wahoo!

Might be needed still, easily.
   56. Why Bloody Valdespin? Posted: April 16, 2012 at 09:03 PM (#4108451)
I don't think any player with a history of such little power is very likely to ever be much better than an average player unless he's incredible defensively, and I haven't seen much reason to believe he's substantially better than average with the glove.

If he's an average shortstop for an extended period of time, most of us, myself included, will have been proven wrong. If he can put up a string of .350/.350-ish seasons, I'll be content.
   57. AJM Posted: April 16, 2012 at 09:05 PM (#4108453)
Gee!
   58. Zeba Zeba Eata Posted: April 16, 2012 at 09:05 PM (#4108454)
Nicely done, Gee.
   59. Why Bloody Valdespin? Posted: April 16, 2012 at 09:06 PM (#4108457)
It's all the beard.
   60. Lassus Posted: April 16, 2012 at 09:08 PM (#4108458)
What am I missing?

I don't know how to choose end points at BBREF, but from August through the end of the year he hit at an .800 OPS clip or so. He showed a lot of excellent AB skills, none of which have left him through his current .810 OPS clip for 2012.
   61. AJM Posted: April 16, 2012 at 09:08 PM (#4108460)
Livan Hernandez?
   62. Lassus Posted: April 16, 2012 at 09:09 PM (#4108461)
The fact that few people improve from being fungible doesn't mean that nobody does. And he's YOUNG.
   63. Gonna break my Rusty Kuntz and run . . . Arbitol Posted: April 16, 2012 at 09:19 PM (#4108463)
I think I may be a Ruben believer.
   64. Lassus Posted: April 16, 2012 at 09:20 PM (#4108464)
I really hate the fact that they are letting Bourn have those bases. HATE. A run is a run is a run.
   65. Gonna break my Rusty Kuntz and run . . . Arbitol Posted: April 16, 2012 at 09:21 PM (#4108465)
Tried to edit to say that, while small, I don't think he's one of these guys with "so little power" that he can't make it. His minor league stats don't reflect the guy whose MLB slugging has trailed his OBP. He's never going to be a home run hitter, but he seems to have a stroke that can back up the outfielders.
   66. Gonna break my Rusty Kuntz and run . . . Arbitol Posted: April 16, 2012 at 09:22 PM (#4108466)
Is that Livan? I was hoping it was Roberto.
   67. Zeba Zeba Eata Posted: April 16, 2012 at 09:22 PM (#4108467)
Yay Bay!
   68. AJM Posted: April 16, 2012 at 09:23 PM (#4108469)
Bay is having a good game.
   69. Why Bloody Valdespin? Posted: April 16, 2012 at 09:23 PM (#4108470)
If there's a RHP Jason Bay should be able to hit, it's Livan Hernandez.

Yea!
   70. Lassus Posted: April 16, 2012 at 09:23 PM (#4108471)
Oh my god, if Jason Bay is good this year, I think I might collapse into a black wormhole of joy.
   71. The Wilpons Must Go (Tom D) Posted: April 16, 2012 at 09:26 PM (#4108473)
J. Bay is now on a 30 HR pace this year.
   72. Why Bloody Valdespin? Posted: April 16, 2012 at 09:27 PM (#4108476)
If only he got to bat against Livan 100 times or so.
   73. Lassus Posted: April 16, 2012 at 09:27 PM (#4108477)
I am not really a Mike Baxter believer.
   74. Zeba Zeba Eata Posted: April 16, 2012 at 09:30 PM (#4108479)
Baxter is quite terrible.
   75. CrosbyBird Posted: April 16, 2012 at 09:34 PM (#4108484)
I don't know how to choose end points at BBREF, but from August through the end of the year he hit at an .800 OPS clip or so.

He had a very strong run for 20 games in August (.348/.423/.478), but was right back to a ~.700 OPS hitter in September/October (.297/.354/.341).

August-October, 2011: 181 PA, 160 AB, 51 H, 11 2B, 1 3B, 0 HR, 14 BB. That's around .319/.359/.400 (I didn't check sacrifices).

He showed a lot of excellent AB skills, none of which have left him through his current .810 OPS clip for 2012.

I'm not going to put a lot of stock in his numbers through 10 games. I suppose it's possible that he's developed an entirely new level of power, but I'm skeptical.

The fact that few people improve from being fungible doesn't mean that nobody does. And he's YOUNG.

Sure, but it's not like he's young and dominating anything. The real problem is that he doesn't seem to have anything that is particularly impressive: he isn't a great basestealer, he doesn't play lights-out defense, he doesn't have great discipline, and he's got very light power. The only way Tejada becomes a great player is if something comes pretty much completely out of nowhere.

I'm not saying the Mets should put him in a trade as a throw-in. Even if he ends up a 1-1.5 WAR player, that still is worth something.
   76. Why Bloody Valdespin? Posted: April 16, 2012 at 09:35 PM (#4108485)
Huzzah!
   77. Lassus Posted: April 16, 2012 at 09:35 PM (#4108486)
Awesome.

That was very satisfying.
   78. Zeba Zeba Eata Posted: April 16, 2012 at 09:35 PM (#4108488)
Byrdak is quite good. That's a fun game to win.
   79. Gonna break my Rusty Kuntz and run . . . Arbitol Posted: April 16, 2012 at 09:38 PM (#4108489)
Gotta credit Sandy for Byrdak - more than a few people had a tummy ache about the end of the Feliciano era.

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