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   1. Joshemy Posted: September 09, 2005 at 02:33 PM (#1607169)
I say it will be lower!

And the Mets will still find a way to lose...
   2. cardsfanboy Posted: September 09, 2005 at 07:03 PM (#1607899)
If Seo is a 'scrub' pitcher then he will shut the cardinals offense down, keeping them to one or two runs. If he is a scrub lefthander he will shut us out and probably be done in under 90 pitches.
if he is a 'scouted' prospect then we will light him up the second time through the lineup.

another bet...will albert pujols see anything in the strike zone tonite? (damn edmonds, k's looking on three straight pitches makes the decision to pitch around pujols that much easier)
   3. cynic Posted: September 09, 2005 at 07:51 PM (#1608022)
Half Run Watch:

If they score exactly 3 runs, they'd need to do it before Seo records a single out.
If they score exactly 4 runs, they'd need to do it before the end of the fourth.
If they score exactly 5 runs, they'd need to do it
before the end of the sixth.
If they score 6 runs or more, that would do it unless Seo goes 10 innings.

Season being over and all, it's nice to have a reason to watch a game in which I fully expect the Mets to get pummelled.
   4. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: September 09, 2005 at 07:58 PM (#1608041)
Half run watch?
   5. cynic Posted: September 09, 2005 at 08:26 PM (#1608131)
Sean McNally is predicting Seo's ERA will be a half run higher by the end of this game. I'm listing the scenarios in which such a thing would happen, thus allowing me to watch the game and focus on Seo's ERA rather than whether the Mets are winning or losing.
   6. Rob Base Posted: September 10, 2005 at 12:08 AM (#1608777)
*crickets*
   7. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: September 10, 2005 at 12:09 AM (#1608779)
I was just about to make the same joke.
   8. Rob Base Posted: September 10, 2005 at 12:10 AM (#1608791)
You're a funny guy, Russ, just a little slow.

They keep finding brand new ways to disappoint me.
   9. Rob Base Posted: September 10, 2005 at 12:11 AM (#1608793)
Hey, Cairo back in the 2-hole, that's ... not even worth comment who cares?
   10. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: September 10, 2005 at 12:12 AM (#1608797)
Miguel Cairo in the lineup is almost enough to make me turn off the game.
   11. Rob Base Posted: September 10, 2005 at 12:13 AM (#1608802)
The O'Reilly Factor is almost enough to make me turn off the game.
   12. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: September 10, 2005 at 12:14 AM (#1608806)
Does Cairo ever hit the ball hard? Lazy flyball after lazy flyball.
   13. Rob Base Posted: September 10, 2005 at 12:15 AM (#1608816)
Floyd since the ASB: .251/.345/.436

That's about what I figured he'd hit for the year.
   14. Rob Base Posted: September 10, 2005 at 12:19 AM (#1608828)
Maybe with a little less IsoD
   15. Ska Posted: September 10, 2005 at 12:35 AM (#1608875)
This is one reason that Ted Robinson is so grossly overrated. The way he was gushing about how great a season Taguchi has had. For a left fielder, his stats are pretty miserable.

s.
   16. Ska Posted: September 10, 2005 at 12:40 AM (#1608899)
Are the Mets still advertising their "Playoff Packs"??

Get in line for playoff tickets!!!!

Why is it that everything Met managment does is so damn wrong? Is damn tone deaf. Do they intentionally try to F up? If so, they are doing a terrific job.

s.
   17. Ska Posted: September 10, 2005 at 12:45 AM (#1608917)
You have to ask the question of whether or not Beltran was on steroids.
s.
   18. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: September 10, 2005 at 12:46 AM (#1608924)
He's playing with a broken face. He played hurt this season. I'll wait until next year before tossing out the steroid allegations.
   19. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: September 10, 2005 at 12:54 AM (#1608949)
I can't believe we're a ####### .500 team again.
   20. Ska Posted: September 10, 2005 at 12:55 AM (#1608956)
His stats really went south after his "broken face".
Sure.

And there was nothing about him being injured before.

Those are just excuses.

This man is Bobby Bonilla Lite.

s.
   21. Sam M. Posted: September 10, 2005 at 12:56 AM (#1608963)
Jae Seo can pitch, folks. He'll be the Mets second best starter in 2006.
   22. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: September 10, 2005 at 01:03 AM (#1608990)
And there was nothing about him being injured before.


22-May-05 Quadricep injury, day-to-day.

25-May-05 Missed 3 games (quadricep injury).

26-May-05 Quadricep injury, day-to-day.

31-May-05 Missed 4 games (quadricep injury).
   23. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: September 10, 2005 at 01:05 AM (#1608994)
Jae Seo can pitch, folks. He’ll be the Mets second best starter in 2006.

He's been the second best starter this season.
   24. Sam M. Posted: September 10, 2005 at 01:09 AM (#1609014)
He’s been the second best starter this season.

Well, it's only 60 IP in the majors. The question is whether you believe it's for real, and he can sustain it for 175-200 IP. I think it is, and he can.
   25. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: September 10, 2005 at 01:24 AM (#1609102)
I hate Cairo.
   26. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: September 10, 2005 at 01:28 AM (#1609125)
This is the game here for the Mets. 1nd and 2nd for Wright with one out.
   27. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: September 10, 2005 at 01:30 AM (#1609136)
Mets score! RBI single for Wright.
   28. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: September 10, 2005 at 01:32 AM (#1609152)
Mets take the lead thanks to some crappy defense by the Cardinals.
   29. Sam M. Posted: September 10, 2005 at 01:32 AM (#1609155)
Pujols should have at least stopped that ball to prevent the run from scoring.
   30. Chris Dial Posted: September 10, 2005 at 01:39 AM (#1609188)
Well, it’s only 60 IP in the majors. The question is whether you believe it’s for real, and he can sustain it for 175-200 IP.

guess what I think?
   31. cynic Posted: September 10, 2005 at 01:39 AM (#1609189)
I say it will be lower!

And the Mets will still find a way to lose…


Right now this prediction is looking pretty darned good.
   32. Chris Dial Posted: September 10, 2005 at 01:40 AM (#1609196)
I am coming to NYC next Wednesday - anyone want to meetup at the Mets/Nats game? Rob?
   33. cynic Posted: September 10, 2005 at 01:40 AM (#1609197)
guess what I think?

That a pitcher's job is to prevent runs, not have a pretty K/BB ratio?
   34. Chris Dial Posted: September 10, 2005 at 01:41 AM (#1609202)
Too bad we didn't have Seo in teh rotation all season. And last year.
   35. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: September 10, 2005 at 01:41 AM (#1609203)
guess what I think?

That Rob Base is your enemy.
   36. Spencer Benedict Posted: September 10, 2005 at 01:42 AM (#1609206)
A nice nucleus has developed with Wright, Reyes, Seo, Benson, Pedro, Heilman (if they let him). There was really no established nucleus going into the season, so I have to be pleased about that. It would be nice if Beltran could join the party - Castro has a higher OPS.
   37. Chris Dial Posted: September 10, 2005 at 01:42 AM (#1609209)
Russlan,
I don't think that.
   38. Chris Dial Posted: September 10, 2005 at 01:44 AM (#1609218)
Heilman? Benson? Please.

I like the infield: Wright, Reyes, Matsui, Jacobs, Castro

I like the outfield: Floyd, Beltran, Diaz

I like the rotation: Pedro, glavine, Seo, trachsel

I hate the mfing bullpen.
   39. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: September 10, 2005 at 01:44 AM (#1609222)
Russlan,
I don’t think that.


I was trying to make a funny.
   40. Chris Dial Posted: September 10, 2005 at 01:45 AM (#1609226)
Hmmm, Reyes is starting his PA with his hands much ower and looser this time (nice work Jose - wake up)
   41. Sam M. Posted: September 10, 2005 at 01:45 AM (#1609228)
Oh, Jose . . . that you take???
   42. Chris Dial Posted: September 10, 2005 at 01:47 AM (#1609235)
Ooof, we stink in the clutch. Willie *has* to change the batting order.

If we have a statistical advisor, it is for show only, because this construct is retarded.
   43. Spencer Benedict Posted: September 10, 2005 at 01:48 AM (#1609246)
You scoff at Benson and Heilman and include Matsui??
   44. Sam M. Posted: September 10, 2005 at 01:48 AM (#1609249)
I like the infield: Wright, Reyes, Matsui, Jacobs, Castro

Well, I honestly see little basis for liking Mike Jacobs. Since his Arizona-aided rush start, he hasn't done much. He's got a lot of work to do before he'll even be a solid platoon player, much less a major-league average first baseman. There's potential there, but I'd much rather see him work on his game at Norfolk next year than be the everyday first baseman.
   45. Spencer Benedict Posted: September 10, 2005 at 01:50 AM (#1609262)
You scoff at Benson and Heilman and include Matsui??
   46. Chris Dial Posted: September 10, 2005 at 01:50 AM (#1609263)
Jacobs has a dislocated shoulder. It'll pop back in and be okay.
   47. cynic Posted: September 10, 2005 at 01:50 AM (#1609266)
It would be nice if Beltran could join the party - Castro has a higher OPS.

That's a tough comparison -- Castro's .777 OPS ranks him 10th among MLB catchers with at least 100 PA (13th among all catchers). And he's supposed to be pretty good defensively too. Say what you like about Beltran (though some of us will probably defend him as he's playing with a broken face), but use someone else to make your point. For example, Chris Woodward has a higher OBP.

Also, I know we all expected him to be much better for $119M, but Beltran ranks 10th among qualifying CF in OPS, so it's not like he's been some kind of unmitigated disaster. He's been average, or slightly above. Just expensive.
   48. Old Matt Posted: September 10, 2005 at 01:53 AM (#1609284)
Man, the Mets ####### blow.
   49. Sam M. Posted: September 10, 2005 at 01:54 AM (#1609292)
Beltran has had one of those everything-that-can-go-wrong years. Lots of pressure, lots of little injuries, lots of hitting into bad luck, then one truly horrific play that IMO gives him a mulligan for everything that happens the last two months.

He'll be just fine.
   50. Spencer Benedict Posted: September 10, 2005 at 01:59 AM (#1609330)
Beltran has had one of those everything-that-can-go-wrong years.

He put up an awful year in 2000. The occasional deeply off year may be part of his pattern.
   51. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: September 10, 2005 at 02:00 AM (#1609331)
How high are you guys on Castro? Can he be the everyday catcher next season?
   52. Sam M. Posted: September 10, 2005 at 02:00 AM (#1609336)
What a little ####### gnat.
   53. Old Matt Posted: September 10, 2005 at 02:01 AM (#1609339)
How high are you guys on Castro? Can he be the everyday catcher next season?

If we get a real 1B, yes.
   54. cynic Posted: September 10, 2005 at 02:03 AM (#1609352)
Jae Seo: 7IP, 7H, 2R, 1BB, 4K, 65/90 pitches for strikes.
Marquis: 7IP, 7H, 2R, 1BB, 3K, 65/92 pitches for strikes.

They've even given up the same number of total bases, 8.
   55. Old Matt Posted: September 10, 2005 at 02:04 AM (#1609359)
I really like Jae Seo. He's a fun pitcher to watch. I hope he is on the team next year.
   56. Spencer Benedict Posted: September 10, 2005 at 02:07 AM (#1609369)
I hope he is on the team next year.

If he's not, I'll be carrying a pitchfork at the front of the mob on Roosevelt Avenue.
   57. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: September 10, 2005 at 02:08 AM (#1609375)
Seriously, this Nunez fellow thinks he's Rolen.
   58. cynic Posted: September 10, 2005 at 02:08 AM (#1609376)
I'd be reasonably comfortable letting Castro play every day. But that would leave the Mets without a backup catcher, and at the moment they don't have anyone in the minors who can fill in. Jacobs might be able to catch in an emergency, but he's no backup.

For that reason, and sentimental ones, I'd see if Piazza would be interested in coming back for a year, at something like $5M, to split time with Castro and see if maybe he can get back to the playoffs with the Mets. If not, I say thanks for the great times and good luck, and go see whom I can pick up on the cheap.
   59. Sam M. Posted: September 10, 2005 at 02:09 AM (#1609378)
If he’s not, I’ll be carrying a pitchfork at the front of the mob on Roosevelt Avenue.

No one but Wright is untouchable. If Seo can get them the bat they need, I'd certainly be in favor of it.
   60. Spencer Benedict Posted: September 10, 2005 at 02:11 AM (#1609394)
No one but Wright is untouchable. If Seo can get them the bat they need, I’d certainly be in favor of it.

Sure. Everyone's available at a price. Maybe a deal involving Huff and Kazmir...
   61. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: September 10, 2005 at 02:13 AM (#1609397)
Seo made Pujols look silly there.
   62. Chris Dial Posted: September 10, 2005 at 02:13 AM (#1609399)
Nice K of Pujols just there (8th)
   63. Spencer Benedict Posted: September 10, 2005 at 02:14 AM (#1609408)
I know its a cliche, but ####.
   64. Old Matt Posted: September 10, 2005 at 02:15 AM (#1609409)
Oh well.
   65. Chris Dial Posted: September 10, 2005 at 02:16 AM (#1609417)
Nice poke by Walker. Seo has to be tired. good outing nonetheless.

Too bad we just suck.
   66. Old Matt Posted: September 10, 2005 at 02:16 AM (#1609418)
I really feel bad for the ####### starters here. They're pitching their ####### hearts out and the ####### offense can't even get three runs.
   67. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: September 10, 2005 at 02:16 AM (#1609422)
That was crushed.
   68. Sam M. Posted: September 10, 2005 at 02:17 AM (#1609424)
When things fall apart for this team, they really do fall apart, don't they? The winnable games this trip all were lost late, painfully: Cabrera v. Takatsu, Looper doing his best Benitez impersonation, now this.
   69. Old Matt Posted: September 10, 2005 at 02:17 AM (#1609425)
Well, Seo's ERA goes up 0.20. Not bad. Still under 2.00.
   70. Sam M. Posted: September 10, 2005 at 02:20 AM (#1609436)
Seo’s ERA goes up 0.20. Not bad. Still under 2.00.

Really? Two ER in 8 IP sent it up .20?
   71. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: September 10, 2005 at 02:20 AM (#1609437)
I was surprised by that as well. Apparently, the second runs was earned.
   72. Old Matt Posted: September 10, 2005 at 02:20 AM (#1609438)
Yeah. Actually, 0.19.
   73. Old Matt Posted: September 10, 2005 at 02:22 AM (#1609443)
Bannister got absolutely spanked today by Nicaragua.
   74. Sam M. Posted: September 10, 2005 at 02:22 AM (#1609445)
Well, it went up that much because -- as Russlan notes -- it was 3 ER, not 2. I guess that's right, now that I think about it. If it had been only 2, his ERA would have gone up only to 1.83.
   75. Sam M. Posted: September 10, 2005 at 02:23 AM (#1609447)
Bannister got absolutely spanked today by Nicaragua.

But Milledge hit a HR.
   76. Spencer Benedict Posted: September 10, 2005 at 02:24 AM (#1609450)
The 2000 NLCS win seem like so long ago.
   77. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: September 10, 2005 at 02:25 AM (#1609454)
Anderson for Castro? Really? With two out and a one run deficit wouldn't you want a guy who can hit for some power.
   78. Old Matt Posted: September 10, 2005 at 02:25 AM (#1609456)
Do you think the Mets will win another game in 2005?
   79. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: September 10, 2005 at 02:26 AM (#1609460)
August 30th seems so far away.
   80. Spencer Benedict Posted: September 10, 2005 at 02:26 AM (#1609462)
Anderson for Castro? Really? With two out and a one run deficit wouldn’t you want a guy who can hit for some power.

As pinch runner, I could see it.
   81. Sam M. Posted: September 10, 2005 at 02:27 AM (#1609465)
Well, it's sure looking a lot like the Great Collapse of 2004, isn't it? The little spurt that got us to 68-60 meant free fall started about 10 days later, but it's sure looking pretty familiar. And not pretty at all.
   82. Ska Posted: September 10, 2005 at 02:31 AM (#1609477)
Is the Playoff Pack still on sale?
   83. Spencer Benedict Posted: September 10, 2005 at 02:32 AM (#1609478)
It's all my fault. I changed my handle after the Friday night win vs. SF.
   84. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: September 10, 2005 at 02:34 AM (#1609483)
Really, it's my fault. I jinxed the offense by saying they were doing a good job this season.
   85. Spencer Benedict Posted: September 10, 2005 at 02:38 AM (#1609496)
I look forward to seeing Petit in the spring.
   86. Sam M. Posted: September 10, 2005 at 02:39 AM (#1609498)
No, it's my fault. I attended my first Mets' game of the year in Florida, when Cabrera cleared the bases off Takatsu. Shoulda stayed away.
   87. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: September 10, 2005 at 02:44 AM (#1609519)
The Mets haven't won a non-Seo start since August 26th.
   88. Chris Dial Posted: September 10, 2005 at 01:56 PM (#1610061)
The Mets haven’t won a non-Seo start since August 26th.

Wow.
   89. Old Matt Posted: September 10, 2005 at 10:23 PM (#1611153)
Hey, Mikey P is playing today.

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