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   1. I Love LA (OFF) Posted: September 10, 2005 at 02:42 PM (#1610095)
Tough loss yesterday. Glad I wasn't around for that one. Now that we are out of the playoff hunt, it doesn't really matter either way, though. I know its hard to find positives in a 5 game losing streak, but here are some silver linings:

1. Looper won't be the closer next year.
2. The Met offense has been exposed.
3. Randolph's honeymoon is over.
4. We are getting closer to having our first rounder protected.
5. My cat finally knows who he'll have to visit later this year:

Posted by Fahrenheit 7/30 (Tom D.) on September 10, 2005 at 02:32 AM (#1609478)

It’s all my fault. I changed my handle after the Friday night win vs. SF.

Posted by The Victor Diaz of Met Chatter (Russlan) on September 10, 2005 at 02:34 AM (#1609483)

Really, it’s my fault. I jinxed the offense by saying they were doing a good job this season.

Posted by Sam M. on September 10, 2005 at 02:39 AM (#1609498)

No, it’s my fault. I attended my first Mets’ game of the year in Florida, when Cabrera cleared the bases off Takatsu. Shoulda stayed away.
   2. Шĥy Posted: September 10, 2005 at 02:45 PM (#1610099)
Coming up he was confused
Peterson kissing an Ishii
Confusion occurs
Coming up in AAA
Heilman aint around
Probably stiking batters out quick
His pitching coach used to say
Check, check out my fix
Seo wanna live good so sh-t he keeps hope
For a four-seam fastball
One of them curves that ropes
Duquette told him if he won he could keep his spot
With a good season
He gets the Met hat
Now that'll be dope
Tossed and turn in his sleep that night
Woke up the next morning
Peterson done stole his spot
Different day, same sh-t
Ain't nothing good with the Rick
He run away from this b-tch
And never come back if he could

Hate it or love it the under dog's on top
And he gon shine homie until he loses his spot

Go'head'n envy Seo
He's the Mets game adjusted MVP
And he ain't going no where
So you can get to know him
   3. I Love LA (OFF) Posted: September 10, 2005 at 11:01 PM (#1611171)
So where's everybody? Come on, guys. Its a Pedro start and Piazza is starting.

Anyway, in other news, the Mets have claimed of/1b Todd Self from the Houston Astros. He's a bit old, but he's my kind of player: 315 walks in 1819 ABs. As you might imagine, he has pretty respectable numbers as well: 302/.406/.433 coming into the year. This year he was hitting .298/.407/.460 58/91 bb/so in 326 AAA ABs. All in all, he looks like a pretty decent pickup.
   4. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: September 10, 2005 at 11:15 PM (#1611184)
It's not a Pedro start.
   5. I Love LA (OFF) Posted: September 10, 2005 at 11:16 PM (#1611186)
Ah ####. Trachsel!?! Damn.
   6. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: September 10, 2005 at 11:26 PM (#1611192)
Edmonds dramatized that.
   7. I Love LA (OFF) Posted: September 10, 2005 at 11:28 PM (#1611193)
Cliff!
   8. I Love LA (OFF) Posted: September 10, 2005 at 11:35 PM (#1611199)
PIAZZA!!!!!

393!!!
   9. Zeba Zeba Eata Posted: September 10, 2005 at 11:35 PM (#1611200)
Welcome back, Mike! We missed you!!
   10. I Love LA (OFF) Posted: September 10, 2005 at 11:39 PM (#1611206)
Should the Mets resign Piazza? I think they should. I'd hate to see him end his career elsewhere.
   11. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: September 10, 2005 at 11:41 PM (#1611207)
The St. Louis announcers called that.
   12. I Love LA (OFF) Posted: September 10, 2005 at 11:43 PM (#1611210)
The Mets' pitchers are perfecting the art of pitching well enough to lose.
   13. villainx Posted: September 11, 2005 at 12:26 AM (#1611293)
Should the Mets resign Piazza? I think they should. I’d hate to see him end his career elsewhere.

Might as well. Not like the Mets have anyone who is really better than he is.
   14. Chris in Wicker Park Posted: September 11, 2005 at 12:26 AM (#1611295)
I think the Mets should try to sign Piazza. He's still good enough, and there aren't many good alternatives.

This team is so frustrating.
   15. villainx Posted: September 11, 2005 at 12:26 AM (#1611296)
Matsui!!! Except he still shouldn't be hitting second.
   16. villainx Posted: September 11, 2005 at 12:29 AM (#1611305)
He’s still good enough, and there aren’t many good alternatives.

Piazza would make the second half of the lineup quite dangerous.
   17. yo la tengo Posted: September 11, 2005 at 12:29 AM (#1611306)
Is there a chance that this team will not see .500 again this year?
   18. villainx Posted: September 11, 2005 at 12:34 AM (#1611315)
Is there a chance that this team will not see .500 again this year?

I think they'll get back over .500. Not playing Cairo, getting Piazza back, a good stretch of home games, hopefully not using Looper as the closer... that should bring the Mets to the good side from .500.
   19. I Love LA (OFF) Posted: September 11, 2005 at 12:38 AM (#1611320)
Does it matter though? I'd rather finish below .500 and with a top 15 pick than finish with a .500 record and with a non-protected first rounder.
   20. villainx Posted: September 11, 2005 at 12:42 AM (#1611333)
I would say that getting back Piazza is a no brainer. The tougher question is what to do with Floyd. He is an injury risk, and is prone to deep slumps which makes batting him clean up kind of eh. He can still be a decent player, but his best years are already past.

I'm just saying, because expecting a similar year as this year, production wise and health wise, isn't the surest thing.
   21. Chris in Wicker Park Posted: September 11, 2005 at 12:46 AM (#1611343)
The Mets should be listening to offers for Floyd and Cameron, but they shouldn't trade either just to do a deal. This team has a lot of holes to fill.
   22. villainx Posted: September 11, 2005 at 12:47 AM (#1611346)
Does it matter though?


I think it matters only to the point of showing the FO and Willie who should be in the lineup, field, and rotation. I guess I'm saying over .500 if Jacobs hits enough to convince some doubters, Piazza hits well enough to pass milestones and to get resigned, Heilman (or basically anyone else) proving they can handle the closer role, Seo continuing to impress, some of the other bullpen guys doing good enough to distinguish who is useful, ... there are lots of things that playing well for the remainder of the season will help determine for the Mets.

A sub .500 record just leaves question marks that I don't necessarily think the FO or Willie are smart enough to answer.
   23. Rob Base Posted: September 11, 2005 at 12:51 AM (#1611352)
.257/.348/.437

Anyone?
   24. Chris in Wicker Park Posted: September 11, 2005 at 12:59 AM (#1611364)
Pinch "hitter" Jose Offerman, even when he doesn't make an out, makes me angry. Why is he on the team and playing? Ugh.
   25. Rob Base Posted: September 11, 2005 at 12:59 AM (#1611365)
Ok, number 23 is player A, here's player B:


.298/.329/.418
   26. Rob Base Posted: September 11, 2005 at 01:02 AM (#1611369)
Ah, there's nobody in this chatter.

Player A is our cleanup hitter. Player B is Jose Reyes. Since the break.
   27. Rob Base Posted: September 11, 2005 at 01:04 AM (#1611373)
Instead of this game (which is not on tv here), I am watching Field of Dreams and drinking. It's great. He's driving to Boston to go to a game with James Earl Jones right now. Good deal for me.
   28. villainx Posted: September 11, 2005 at 01:08 AM (#1611376)
.298/.329/.418


is that good for a leadoff hitter? or are you saying there are signs for more improvement.

ugh, nevermind me, the thought of reyes leading off plus whichever player batting second with a dismal OBP is depressing. i'm glad reyes is doing better though.
   29. Rob Base Posted: September 11, 2005 at 01:10 AM (#1611378)
Nah, I'm saying it sucks for a cleanup hitter.
   30. villainx Posted: September 11, 2005 at 01:15 AM (#1611388)
Nah, I’m saying it sucks for a cleanup hitter.

Floyd is capable of slumping all by himself, but those numbers are made worse by the hitters in front of him. Or, his post ASB numbers could still be decent if the plays before him were doing better.

Obviously it could be better, but slump that is still near .800 OPS isn't completely awful.
   31. Rob Base Posted: September 11, 2005 at 01:15 AM (#1611390)
Slump? It's practically half a season of the kind of performance I expected of him before the season began.
   32. villainx Posted: September 11, 2005 at 01:16 AM (#1611393)
Good moves by Willie?
   33. villainx Posted: September 11, 2005 at 01:19 AM (#1611398)
Well, it's awful, just not completely so. Given the other options that the Mets have, aside from switching with Wright, it's not like someone else would be a better option.
   34. villainx Posted: September 11, 2005 at 01:20 AM (#1611400)
Matsui!!! Should he be batting second?
   35. villainx Posted: September 11, 2005 at 01:23 AM (#1611406)
It's up to the clean up hitter! Come on, clean it up!
   36. villainx Posted: September 11, 2005 at 01:25 AM (#1611409)
Come on Floyd, I said you weren't completely awful, prove me right!
   37. villainx Posted: September 11, 2005 at 01:28 AM (#1611416)
Or it's up to Wright! Come on make it all Wright!!!!
   38. villainx Posted: September 11, 2005 at 01:30 AM (#1611422)
Mr. Wright, .362/.429/.597; just a reminder, in case you forgot what you should be doing here.
   39. I Love LA (OFF) Posted: September 11, 2005 at 01:31 AM (#1611426)
Are you kidding me?
   40. villainx Posted: September 11, 2005 at 01:32 AM (#1611429)
Mr. Wright, don't forget, the let Floyd get an infield hit just to get to you. Make them pay for it.
   41. I Love LA (OFF) Posted: September 11, 2005 at 01:33 AM (#1611434)
Seriously. Right now we are just running into bad luck. I mean, take this inning for example.

Double
Line-out
Infield Single
Double Play.
   42. villainx Posted: September 11, 2005 at 01:34 AM (#1611436)
Better luck next time?

That sucked, I thought the Mets would score this inning.
   43. Rob Base Posted: September 11, 2005 at 01:34 AM (#1611437)
Randolph only steals when it's stupid to do so.
   44. I Love LA (OFF) Posted: September 11, 2005 at 01:36 AM (#1611443)
Boy that was close.
   45. Keep your hand off my Poohole Posted: September 11, 2005 at 01:36 AM (#1611444)
Meet the Mets. Greet the Mets. Head to the park and beat the Mets !!
   46. Rob Base Posted: September 11, 2005 at 01:37 AM (#1611446)
Shut up, Poohole. I hope Pooholez gets run over by a Busch truck.
   47. I Love LA (OFF) Posted: September 11, 2005 at 01:40 AM (#1611449)
HOLY ####!
   48. Zeba Zeba Eata Posted: September 11, 2005 at 01:41 AM (#1611450)
Man, no luck for Mike. Fortunately looks like he's OK.
   49. I Love LA (OFF) Posted: September 11, 2005 at 01:41 AM (#1611451)
Was that on purpose? Tavarez is a dirty player.
   50. I Love LA (OFF) Posted: September 11, 2005 at 01:42 AM (#1611452)
WTF. Why is Ramon Castro PINCH-RUNNING?
   51. Old Matt Posted: September 11, 2005 at 01:43 AM (#1611453)
WTF. Why is Ramon Castro PINCH-RUNNING?

It doesn't really matter.
   52. Keep your hand off my Poohole Posted: September 11, 2005 at 01:43 AM (#1611455)
Good strategy to hit someone to set up the double play. That my friends, is efficient, winning baseball.
   53. I Love LA (OFF) Posted: September 11, 2005 at 01:44 AM (#1611456)
I hope Pujols gets one on the ribs.
   54. Old Matt Posted: September 11, 2005 at 01:45 AM (#1611459)
I really respect Mikey P and thus I am willing to delay The Mike Piazza Farewell Tour until 2006.
   55. Old Matt Posted: September 11, 2005 at 01:46 AM (#1611461)
And Victor slams one out.
   56. I Love LA (OFF) Posted: September 11, 2005 at 01:48 AM (#1611463)
Damn. Pujols isnt scheduled to hit in the next inning. Who do you hit then? Eckstein?
   57. Old Matt Posted: September 11, 2005 at 01:48 AM (#1611465)
Cairo pinch-hitting for Mientkiewicz.

BRILLANT!
   58. I Love LA (OFF) Posted: September 11, 2005 at 01:51 AM (#1611471)
That Cairo hit shouldn't even count. With a better CF that's an easy out.
   59. villainx Posted: September 11, 2005 at 01:52 AM (#1611475)
What happen with Mike, for us (or just me) GameCentering this game.
   60. I Love LA (OFF) Posted: September 11, 2005 at 01:53 AM (#1611479)
Okay, what's wrong with Floyd?
   61. Zeba Zeba Eata Posted: September 11, 2005 at 01:53 AM (#1611481)
Piazza got drilled in the helmet by Tavarez.

And now retaliation by Heilman.
   62. Chris in Wicker Park Posted: September 11, 2005 at 01:53 AM (#1611482)
Who do you hit then? Eckstein?

Apparently.
   63. I Love LA (OFF) Posted: September 11, 2005 at 01:55 AM (#1611484)
Dammit Heilman. If you are going to throw at him, drill him in the back.
   64. villainx Posted: September 11, 2005 at 01:55 AM (#1611485)
The Mets should hit two Card players. Just to prove a point.
   65. Old Matt Posted: September 11, 2005 at 01:55 AM (#1611486)
I hope they hit Pujols in the head too.
   66. I Love LA (OFF) Posted: September 11, 2005 at 01:56 AM (#1611489)
DRILL PUJOLS! DRILL PUJOLS!
   67. villainx Posted: September 11, 2005 at 01:57 AM (#1611492)
Where did it hit Eckstein?
   68. I Love LA (OFF) Posted: September 11, 2005 at 01:59 AM (#1611495)
Piazza has a slight concussion.
   69. villainx Posted: September 11, 2005 at 01:59 AM (#1611496)
Why didn't Heilman hit Pujols?
   70. I Love LA (OFF) Posted: September 11, 2005 at 02:00 AM (#1611501)
Probably because the benches were warned after the Eckstein HBP.
   71. villainx Posted: September 11, 2005 at 02:07 AM (#1611511)
Probably because the benches were warned after the Eckstein HBP.


So, the Mets have other pitchers, right?
   72. Chris in Wicker Park Posted: September 11, 2005 at 02:08 AM (#1611515)
1-8 road trip so far. Ugh.
   73. villainx Posted: September 11, 2005 at 02:10 AM (#1611517)
Okay fine, Pedro is pitching tomorrow, I'm sure he'll nail someone.
   74. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: September 11, 2005 at 02:41 AM (#1611558)
We suck.
   75. Benji Posted: September 11, 2005 at 11:07 AM (#1611774)
Mets since Traschel came back: 3-12
Mets since Matsui started playing every day: 2-12

Of course, just coincidence, because we all know the only things wrong with the Mets are Willie Randolph and Miguel Cairo.
   76. Benji Posted: September 11, 2005 at 11:13 AM (#1611777)
and in games where Cairo has more than 3 ABs, they are 35-30. I'm not calling him a star, and I'm hoping Anderson Hernandez is the real deal, but to be happy Matsui is in there is ####### insane.
   77. Sam M. Posted: September 11, 2005 at 03:47 PM (#1611907)
And just to bring it full circle, Benji:

Cairo's record since Trachsel's return:

27 0 4 0 0 0 1 .148 .148 .148

Matsui's record since Trachsel's return:

36 4 12 1 2 0 2 .333 .368 .472

I mean, as long as we're measuring things "since Trachsel's return," let's be consistent about it.

Simple facts:

* The Mets offense has sucked since Trachsel returned. I would very much like to hear the cause-and-effect relationship there.

* As poor a player as Matsui is, the Mets managed to find a second baseman who is even worse. Wanting Matsui in there ahead of Cairo doesn't mean anyone is fooling themselves about Matsui. It means Cairo is simply and utterly useless as a player.
   78. Spencer Benedict Posted: September 11, 2005 at 04:28 PM (#1611938)
J-E-T-S JETS JETS JETS!
   79. Шĥy Posted: September 11, 2005 at 04:38 PM (#1611948)
Kazmir's line from last night:

7 ip
6 h
0 er
1 bb
11 k

His ERA is now 3.85.

The Mets are already preparing to demote Seo again if he has a bad spring training.

"If I was a betting person, I'd say he's [Seo] really in the mix," Randolph said before Friday's game. "But when you go to spring training, you start all over. That's what I believe. You start all over. You don't know what kind of stuff's going to happen in the spring.

To bring something positive to the post, the Mets are second in the NL in 3rd order pythag!
   80. J. Cross Posted: September 11, 2005 at 09:43 PM (#1612628)
k/9, American League

Santana 9.2
Lackey 8.9
Kazmir 8.6
Johnson 8.5

Good thing we didn't hold on to that Kazmir kid. He's years away from being any good. The walks are still a little high but he keeps the ball in the ballpark.

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