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   1. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: September 05, 2005 at 12:16 AM (#1597382)
Go Bellhorn!

Boo Jeter HR!
   2. Paul S Posted: September 05, 2005 at 12:16 AM (#1597383)
I suppose this is The Only Chatter That Matters for today.

I hate Jeter and his wind-aided home runs. Stupid Yankee-biased wind.
   3. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: September 05, 2005 at 12:17 AM (#1597385)
The crowd is chanting "BALCO" for Giambi's at bat.
   4. Paul S Posted: September 05, 2005 at 12:22 AM (#1597386)
Holy crap. The throw doesn't even have to be CLOSE to A-Rod for him to do his girly run/cover-up.
   5. Ivan Grushenko of Hong Kong Posted: September 05, 2005 at 12:23 AM (#1597388)
I realize this game doesn't count more than the others, but...

Let's Go Oak-Land.

Clap-Clap

Clap-Clap-Clap
   6. Paul S Posted: September 05, 2005 at 12:24 AM (#1597390)
Hatteberg hitting cleanup? Uh, OK.
   7. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: September 05, 2005 at 12:25 AM (#1597393)
Nice play by Bellhorn! Whoo!
   8. Ivan Grushenko of Hong Kong Posted: September 05, 2005 at 12:27 AM (#1597394)
Hat...Hat... in French Hat Chapeau
In Spanish ....

In Cantonese...
   9. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: September 05, 2005 at 12:29 AM (#1597396)
I did get confused by Bellhorn's new number 26 on that play. I thought I saw the second baseman make the catch, but when I saw the 26 I was confused. Who's number 12 on the Yankees?

I should be wearing my Bellhorn #12 Red Sox shirt right now.
   10. Ivan Grushenko of Hong Kong Posted: September 05, 2005 at 12:30 AM (#1597398)
I interpret the lack of Yankees chatterers present as a referendum on their post-season chances.

Unfortunately the actualy team doesn't agree.
   11. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: September 05, 2005 at 12:31 AM (#1597401)
Jesus ESPN, cut the SC in-game crap and focus on the game.
   12. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: September 05, 2005 at 12:32 AM (#1597402)
YES! BELLHORN RULES!
   13. Paul S Posted: September 05, 2005 at 12:32 AM (#1597403)
Womack is #12

DAMN YOU BELLHORN
   14. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: September 05, 2005 at 12:33 AM (#1597405)
WOMACK!??!?!
   15. Paul S Posted: September 05, 2005 at 12:33 AM (#1597406)
I'm sorry, Biff. He's wearing the wrong laundry now. I just can't.
   16. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: September 05, 2005 at 12:34 AM (#1597407)
Jeter just looked silly there. Too bad Zito couldn't do that the first time.
   17. Ivan Grushenko of Hong Kong Posted: September 05, 2005 at 12:35 AM (#1597408)
The A's should have signed that Bellhorn guy.
   18. chris p Posted: September 05, 2005 at 12:35 AM (#1597409)
bellhorn is going ot pull a bucky dent. i just know it.
   19. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: September 05, 2005 at 12:36 AM (#1597411)
I’m sorry, Biff. He’s wearing the wrong laundry now. I just can’t.

And I can't root against him despite the wrong laundry. Now the A's need to come back.
   20. chris p Posted: September 05, 2005 at 12:37 AM (#1597412)
that was bernietastic by sheffield.
   21. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: September 05, 2005 at 12:37 AM (#1597413)
How did Sheffield not catch that?
   22. 'zop sympathizes with the wrong ####### people Posted: September 05, 2005 at 12:37 AM (#1597414)
nice play, nephew.
   23. Paul S Posted: September 05, 2005 at 12:38 AM (#1597415)
This is a very stupid ballpark. I bet it smells of urine too.
   24. chris p Posted: September 05, 2005 at 12:38 AM (#1597416)
payton is another guy the red sox could use right now.
   25. 'zop sympathizes with the wrong ####### people Posted: September 05, 2005 at 12:39 AM (#1597417)
The hard-luck life of a flyball pitcher on the 2005 New York Yankees.
   26. Paul S Posted: September 05, 2005 at 12:39 AM (#1597418)
They could use Payton, but he decided to be a big #### knocker.
   27. Paul S Posted: September 05, 2005 at 12:43 AM (#1597421)
I wonder if Joe will say anything about "aggressive" baseball backfiring horribly. No? He's not? OK, then.
   28. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: September 05, 2005 at 12:45 AM (#1597424)
That should be on Giambi, not Jeter.
   29. 'zop sympathizes with the wrong ####### people Posted: September 05, 2005 at 12:47 AM (#1597429)
Chacon seems to fool alot of people with a fastball of middling velocity. He must conceal the ball well or something, because he makes people look stupid on 89mph pitches high in the zone.
   30. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: September 05, 2005 at 12:47 AM (#1597430)
Well, it should have been on Giambi, kevin.
   31. 'zop sympathizes with the wrong ####### people Posted: September 05, 2005 at 12:48 AM (#1597431)
Anyone notice that in that John Smoltz/Home Depot commercial, they have Smoltz walking around the store in his cleats? That's a nice touch.
   32. villainx Posted: September 05, 2005 at 12:50 AM (#1597432)
I am still SHOCKED, just SHOCKED.
   33. chris p Posted: September 05, 2005 at 12:52 AM (#1597433)
They could use Payton, but he decided to be a big #### knocker.

well i don't blame him. he deserved more playing time, and i'm sure he tried to settle it behind the scenes first.
   34. 'zop sympathizes with the wrong ####### people Posted: September 05, 2005 at 12:53 AM (#1597435)
I would love to take a little BP off of Zito's curveball....that #### must be cuh-razy.
   35. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: September 05, 2005 at 12:53 AM (#1597438)
well i don’t blame him. he deserved more playing time, and i’m sure he tried to settle it behind the scenes first.

He was not particularly effective in his time with the Red Sox, and given the alternatives, you can't really say he deserved more PT.
   36. 'zop sympathizes with the wrong ####### people Posted: September 05, 2005 at 12:55 AM (#1597440)
Shocked about what, rr? That I posted the Yankees game chatter?

It's like Hitler editing the newsletter for my local B'nai B'rith.
   37. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: September 05, 2005 at 12:56 AM (#1597441)
Yay-Rod!
   38. 5.00, .280/.320/.400, 4th outfielder Posted: September 05, 2005 at 12:57 AM (#1597442)
Wouldn't this be the perfect time for Giambi to use his bunt
   39. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: September 05, 2005 at 12:58 AM (#1597443)
Shell!
   40. 1k5v3L Posted: September 05, 2005 at 12:58 AM (#1597444)
payton has helped the a's a LOT more than bradford has helped the red sox. and imo, he's a better guy to have on your team than kapler. just like bellhorn is a better guy to have around than one of backup inf guys the sox have on their roster right now.
   41. 1k5v3L Posted: September 05, 2005 at 12:58 AM (#1597446)
overcooked ziti for dinner tonight.
   42. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: September 05, 2005 at 12:59 AM (#1597448)
just like bellhorn is a better guy to have around than one of backup inf guys the sox have on their roster right now.

It gets better. At the time they cut Bellhorn loose, sacred cow Adam Stern was on the roster. He's definitely going to be more use to Boston than Bellhorn down the stretch run.
   43. chris p Posted: September 05, 2005 at 12:59 AM (#1597449)
he was particularly effective in the field. he was the best defensive outfielder on the team, and he wasn't a complete loss at the plate. if tito was at all creative, which we know he isn't, he could have found spots to get him in the lineup. maybe some lf on the road with manny->dh, ortiz->1b, maybe an occasional rest for damon, who probably could have used more rest so he wouldn't fade down the stretch. who knows?
   44. 5.00, .280/.320/.400, 4th outfielder Posted: September 05, 2005 at 12:59 AM (#1597450)
Can you think of a better triple-play combo on one team than Giambi-Sierra-Posada
   45. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: September 05, 2005 at 01:00 AM (#1597452)
I don't think you can fault the Red Sox for the Payton situation. It's just unfortunate that he's taken off since getting to Oakland.
   46. 'zop sympathizes with the wrong ####### people Posted: September 05, 2005 at 01:02 AM (#1597455)
I must be dreaming. Posada can't hit major league pitching anymore. That couldn't have happened.
   47. chris p Posted: September 05, 2005 at 01:02 AM (#1597456)
good managers find ways to get good players like payton in the lineup.
   48. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: September 05, 2005 at 01:03 AM (#1597457)
Yes! Bellhorn with the bases loaded!
   49. 1k5v3L Posted: September 05, 2005 at 01:04 AM (#1597459)
At the time they cut Bellhorn loose, sacred cow Adam Stern was on the roster.

I was really surprised Stern didn't come down with a strange case of debilitating hemorrhoids about the time Bellhorn should've returned from the DL. It figures with the Red Sox doctors though...
   50. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: September 05, 2005 at 01:05 AM (#1597460)
Shut up Joe Morgan about strikeouts.

Bellhorn almost goes down the line for a hit. Damn.

He's swung at both first pitches so far. Interesting.
   51. 1k5v3L Posted: September 05, 2005 at 01:05 AM (#1597461)
Oh geez, a bellhorn grand slam would be icing on the cake...
   52. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: September 05, 2005 at 01:06 AM (#1597462)
Wow, Bellhorn usually won't swing at high fastballs.
   53. 'zop sympathizes with the wrong ####### people Posted: September 05, 2005 at 01:06 AM (#1597464)
mmm half-pound beef combo burrito.....
   54. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: September 05, 2005 at 01:07 AM (#1597467)
i like the beef and potato burrito
   55. chris p Posted: September 05, 2005 at 01:08 AM (#1597468)
I was really surprised Stern didn’t come down with a strange case of debilitating hemorrhoids about the time Bellhorn should’ve returned from the DL.

yeah sure maybe stern wasn't really hurt, but if he wasn't hurt and he didn't want to go on the dl, he could have said something and forced his way back to the braves AAA team. can you blame him for wanting to not be behind all those young braves outfielders on the depth chart?
   56. 'zop sympathizes with the wrong ####### people Posted: September 05, 2005 at 01:08 AM (#1597469)
Man, I could go for a little KenTacoHut right now. The commercials are strangely effectivfe.
   57. 5.00, .280/.320/.400, 4th outfielder Posted: September 05, 2005 at 01:11 AM (#1597472)
A's announcers made a mistake. They said its a routine fly to left. With Matsui nothing is routine.
   58. 1k5v3L Posted: September 05, 2005 at 01:14 AM (#1597473)
he could have said something and forced his way back to the braves AAA team.

As opposed to ALL the other times he was on the DL with bogus sounding ailments but he kept his mouth shut? Stern isn't an idiot; on the Sox 25 man roster, he gets $300+K; with the Braves in AAA, he'll get pennies. Not to mention that he has NO future in ATL, with their overcrowded outfield. He would've been behind every single rookie OF that the Braves called up this year. If I were Stern, I'd stay with the Sox, and save up every penny of that $300k they're paying me--for rainy days.
   59. 1k5v3L Posted: September 05, 2005 at 01:16 AM (#1597474)
small and chacon, the aces for the yankees. wow.

and i thought leiter would be a cy young contender in ny.
   60. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: September 05, 2005 at 01:18 AM (#1597475)
Jeter is having a very, very good season. He's not really in MVP territory anymore, but he's having pretty much his quintessential excellent season.
   61. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: September 05, 2005 at 01:19 AM (#1597477)
Zito has nothing this game. Macha better get him out of there soon.
   62. Ivan Grushenko of Hong Kong Posted: September 05, 2005 at 01:20 AM (#1597478)
It’s not like Payton had established himself as some kind of budding superstar or something.

But he had been an above average OF, if you include defense, for a number of years. Trot in LF, Manny DH, Ortiz 1B, Payton RF would probably have been the best Red Sox option.
   63. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: September 05, 2005 at 01:21 AM (#1597479)
Trot in LF, Manny DH, Ortiz 1B, Payton RF would probably have been the best Red Sox option.

Supposedly Ortiz's knees couldn't handle playing first every day and his hitting would suffer.
   64. Ivan Grushenko of Hong Kong Posted: September 05, 2005 at 01:22 AM (#1597481)
OK, then DH Ortiz from time to time and play Manny at 1B
   65. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: September 05, 2005 at 01:23 AM (#1597483)
OK, then DH Ortiz from time to time and play Manny at 1B

Despite the high hilarity potential, Manny at first would definitely not be a good idea.

Payton just did not fit given the Red Sox roster. Now, if PAYTON could play first base, then maybe he could've had some PT. Then again, given Tito's infatuation with Millar, maybe not.
   66. 'zop sympathizes with the wrong ####### people Posted: September 05, 2005 at 01:24 AM (#1597485)
When you watch a game in OAK, its glaringly obvious how the excess foul territory saps offense. Its kind of amazing, actually.
   67. villainx Posted: September 05, 2005 at 01:24 AM (#1597486)
It’s like Hitler editing the newsletter for my local B’nai B’rith.

Hitler was really good with Photoshop.
   68. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: September 05, 2005 at 01:25 AM (#1597488)
the giambi special
   69. villainx Posted: September 05, 2005 at 01:27 AM (#1597492)
he’s having pretty much his quintessential excellent season.

With each passing season, it's amazing how unimpressive that seems.
   70. Ivan Grushenko of Hong Kong Posted: September 05, 2005 at 01:30 AM (#1597493)
Now, if PAYTON could play first base, then maybe he could’ve had some PT.

But that would negate his defensive value in the big RF at Fenway.
   71. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: September 05, 2005 at 01:31 AM (#1597495)
With each passing season, it’s amazing how unimpressive that seems.

Yes, consistent excellence year in and year out at shortstop is very unimpressive.
   72. Ivan Grushenko of Hong Kong Posted: September 05, 2005 at 01:33 AM (#1597496)
With each passing season, it’s amazing how unimpressive that seems.

Is Jeter the most underappreciated player in BTF? How does he compare with the other top hitting, mediocre fielding SS in history -- Appling, Vaughan, Cronin, Banks? Isn't he HOF/HOM material? Perspective, people!
   73. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: September 05, 2005 at 01:35 AM (#1597499)
But that would negate his defensive value in the big RF at Fenway.

Good point. If NIXON could play first base, etc.
   74. 'zop sympathizes with the wrong ####### people Posted: September 05, 2005 at 01:36 AM (#1597500)
Of course, Alan Trammell was also consistently excellent at shortstop, and it doesn't seem like anyone wants to put him in the HOF.
   75. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: September 05, 2005 at 01:36 AM (#1597502)
BELLHORN!!!!
   76. Rough Carrigan Posted: September 05, 2005 at 01:36 AM (#1597503)
Give Jeter his due. He's a terrific table setter. Nothing special in the field but don't overreact to idiot media overreactions gushing about him.
   77. villainx Posted: September 05, 2005 at 01:37 AM (#1597504)
Yes, consistent excellence year in and year out at shortstop is very unimpressive.

Are you saying his seasons are consistent excellence or consistent very very good?

I always thought he would be the former, but he's been proving to be only the latter. I say excellent starts when his .OPS rising above, oh say, .860.
   78. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: September 05, 2005 at 01:37 AM (#1597505)
Jeter doesn't have appling's gaudy BA and walk numbers, but he licks him in the slugging department.
   79. Captain Supporter Posted: September 05, 2005 at 01:38 AM (#1597507)
The Jeter haters seem to get more desperate every day. Meanwhile the Captain is hitting .310 with a .390 on base percentage, not to mention his 15th HR tonight. And, of course, those highly disparate little things (like the steal of third) that knowledgeable fans (and his manager) appreciate more and more every year.
   80. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: September 05, 2005 at 01:41 AM (#1597508)
Hooray, Bellhorn has completed the Three True Outcomes!
   81. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: September 05, 2005 at 01:41 AM (#1597509)
Atta boy Mark! The double leadeoff hitters of doom!
   82. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: September 05, 2005 at 01:41 AM (#1597511)
The Jeter haters seem to get more desperate every day. Meanwhile the Captain is hitting .310 with a .390 on base percentage, not to mention his 15th HR tonight. And, of course, those highly disparate little things (like the steal of third) that knowledgeable fans (and his manager) appreciate more and more every year.

J1F, is that you on a new account?
   83. 'zop sympathizes with the wrong ####### people Posted: September 05, 2005 at 01:42 AM (#1597513)
According to BPro's stats going into today, Jeter is 14th ( I think) in VORP in the major leagues.

That's excellent.
   84. villainx Posted: September 05, 2005 at 01:43 AM (#1597514)
Yeah, who is this Captain Supporter?
   85. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: September 05, 2005 at 01:43 AM (#1597515)
I take it all back. Jeter is a bum.
   86. 'zop sympathizes with the wrong ####### people Posted: September 05, 2005 at 01:45 AM (#1597516)
Sayeth Derek: GIDPyup!
   87. 'zop sympathizes with the wrong ####### people Posted: September 05, 2005 at 01:46 AM (#1597517)
Another excellent start by a ostensible Yankee bum. Yawn.
   88. Captain Supporter Posted: September 05, 2005 at 01:46 AM (#1597518)
The Captain Supporter is a new addition. I've been lurking out here for awhile, but have decided that there is a need for further balance out here.
   89. schuey Posted: September 05, 2005 at 01:46 AM (#1597519)
Is Chacon our number two starter in the plyoffs or is it Small? Another excellent job by "highly respected pitching coach Mel Stottlemyre" (all grovel at the sound of a Michael Kay quote).
   90. 'zop sympathizes with the wrong ####### people Posted: September 05, 2005 at 01:47 AM (#1597521)
The Captain Supporter is a new addition. I’ve been lurking out here for awhile, but have decided that there is a need for further balance out here.

Just in time for this upcoming weekend's Holy War.
   91. 'zop sympathizes with the wrong ####### people Posted: September 05, 2005 at 01:49 AM (#1597522)
Is Chacon our number two starter in the plyoffs or is it Small?


One hopes that Chacon would be #3, behind Johnson and a rested/healed Mussina. Wright would be #4 in my book right now, with Small being the long man in the pen (IOW, Torre better have a quick hook in the playoffs).
   92. Captain Supporter Posted: September 05, 2005 at 01:50 AM (#1597523)
And for the Stottlemeyer bashers, I'll add this. If you bashed him when the staff was having big problems early on, then you have to give him (and Brian Cashman) credit for piecing things together in the second half of the year. Of course, pitching coaches can only do so much. But you bashers can't have it both ways.
   93. 'zop sympathizes with the wrong ####### people Posted: September 05, 2005 at 01:50 AM (#1597524)
####. All these extra outs finally bit them in the ass.
   94. villainx Posted: September 05, 2005 at 01:50 AM (#1597525)
The Unholy War would be the series against Tampa.
   95. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: September 05, 2005 at 01:50 AM (#1597526)
wow, great call on an 0-2 pitch Posada. wtf
   96. Phil Coorey is a T-Shirt Salesman Posted: September 05, 2005 at 01:51 AM (#1597527)
The Captain Supporter is a new addition. I’ve been lurking out here for awhile, but have decided that there is a need for further balance out here.

I agree this website is not balanced at all...:)

I love the story by the way of Giambi donating 20 grand to his mate, Ken Washington. Wish more stories like that would hit the media.
   97. 'zop sympathizes with the wrong ####### people Posted: September 05, 2005 at 01:52 AM (#1597528)
I knew Kendal lost his power, but he really hits like a wussy girl nowadays.
   98. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: September 05, 2005 at 01:52 AM (#1597529)
Well, I'm here to support them, at least until my Labor Day plans commence in earnest. Let's see what the score is...hey, 6-1! Alright
   99. Phil Coorey is a T-Shirt Salesman Posted: September 05, 2005 at 01:54 AM (#1597530)
And for the Stottlemeyer bashers, I’ll add this. If you bashed him when the staff was having big problems early on, then you have to give him (and Brian Cashman) credit for piecing things together in the second half of the year. Of course, pitching coaches can only do so much. But you bashers can’t have it both ways.

What was pieced together? The Yankees are playing the way they should. I never wrote them off.
   100. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: September 05, 2005 at 01:54 AM (#1597531)
Well, 6-2 is nice too
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