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   1. AJMcCringleberry Posted: September 07, 2005 at 09:20 PM (#1602990)
Glavine against the Braves, this should be fun. And by fun I mean shitty, really ####### shitty.
   2. rb's team is hopeful for the new year! Posted: September 07, 2005 at 09:30 PM (#1603013)
Wow, i was really trying to take over one of what were three milwaukee-cinci game chatters for this one, before the situation was righted. However, now two of those game chatters have disappeared, and my comments sent to an early grave. For those who show up later,

MIL @ CIN - Sorry All ready done...
(3 - 5:12pm, Sep 07)
Last: Get me a Chipper dipper! (TTR o' rb)

MIL @ CIN - Sorry All ready done...
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Last: Get me a Chipper dipper! (TTR o' rb)

MIL @ CIN - Sorry All ready done...
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Last: Get me a Chipper dipper! (TTR o' rb)




See, i had three going at once, with a joke set up and everything!
   3. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: September 07, 2005 at 09:37 PM (#1603029)
Yesterday's loss was the nail in the coffin for me. A 4 game deficit isn't that big, hell the Mets have overcome worse twice in their history, but there are just too many teams too far ahead. In addition, the teams ahead of them face each other so often and someone has to win those games. That being said, there has been some positives this season.

1) Jose Reyes' health and second half: Reyes showed that he can play everyday without getting hurt and has developed as the season has progressed. He's hitting .302/.335/.429 in the second half and has really cut down on the strikeouts. Reyes has taken a step forward this season.

2) David Wright: If there was any doubt about whether he was going to be a superstar before the season started, there isn't any longer.

3) Jae Seo and Aaron Heilman: Both of these pitchers had terrible seasons in 2004. Seo has been the best Met pitcher in the secold half and Heilman has posted some amazing peripherals as a reliever. Both have a lot more value to the franchise today than they did in March.

4) Ramon Castro: He's had a great year. Personally, I think he deserves a chance to be the starter next season. He has a nice minor league track record and has hit in the majors before. At the very least, the Mets have found their backup catcher for the next few seasons.

5) Kool-Aid: Nothing was expected from this guy and he's been one of the better relievers in baseball. It's been fun watching him pitch this season. I expect him to pitch well next season but hope the Mets build their bullpen with the assumption he won't.

6) Pedro's first 12 starts of the season: The stats really tell the story. From his scintillating Opening Day performance to his near no-hitter against the Astros, he pitched like dominant Pedro of the 1997-2003 wintage.

7-1, 2.45 ERA, .67 WHIP, 10.64 K/9, 8.00 k/bb.

He's been good since then (3.36 ERA) but he was incredible in his first dozen starts.
   4. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: September 07, 2005 at 09:40 PM (#1603032)
BTW, let's play a game. Let's say Kaz Matsui finishes the season strongly and goes something like .290/.350/.450. Should that change the Mets offseason plan?
   5. Tony H. Posted: September 07, 2005 at 10:01 PM (#1603065)
This game better get over quick. Within 3 hours. I'm going to be pissed if I miss any of the soccer match.
   6. rb's team is hopeful for the new year! Posted: September 07, 2005 at 10:02 PM (#1603068)
I’m going to be pissed if I miss any of the soccer match.

?
   7. Tony H. Posted: September 07, 2005 at 10:07 PM (#1603078)
USA/Guatemala follows the Braves/Mets game.
   8. Sam M. Posted: September 07, 2005 at 10:09 PM (#1603085)
Let’s say Kaz Matsui finishes the season strongly and goes something like .290/.350/.450. Should that change the Mets offseason plan?

In a word? No.
   9. Benji Posted: September 07, 2005 at 10:17 PM (#1603103)
In 2 words: absolutely not.
   10. Robert in Manhattan Beach Posted: September 07, 2005 at 10:26 PM (#1603126)
Standard lineup for the Bravos against a lefty. Franco, Estrada, and of course the only lefty in baseball that has carved out a platoon role against lefties Ryan Langerhans.
   11. rb's team is hopeful for the new year! Posted: September 07, 2005 at 10:28 PM (#1603129)
In four words?

Kevin is a retard.
   12. rb's team is hopeful for the new year! Posted: September 07, 2005 at 10:31 PM (#1603139)
and of course the only lefty in baseball that has carved out a platoon role against lefties Ryan Langerhans.


I love longerhands.
   13. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: September 07, 2005 at 10:31 PM (#1603140)
USA/Guatemala follows the Braves/Mets game.

That game isn't that important, is it? The US has already qualified and Guatemala isn't going to anyway.

Man, Brazil looks especially scary in attack right now. Adriano, Ronaldo, Ronaldhino, and Robinho in attack? That just isn't fair.
   14. rb's team is hopeful for the new year! Posted: September 07, 2005 at 10:41 PM (#1603153)
Perhaps I should finagle the gf into letting me borrow her tv for the night.
   15. Tony H. Posted: September 07, 2005 at 10:43 PM (#1603157)
No, not too important, but there are only so many national team games a year. Gotta watch what I can. Guatemala still has a chance, but that loss to Trinidad really hurt them.

Brazil is hilariously good. I don't see how anybody stands a chance against them.
   16. rb's team is hopeful for the new year! Posted: September 07, 2005 at 11:01 PM (#1603199)
What the hell is a chipper dipper anyway? I gotta get a new name.
   17. Joshemy Posted: September 07, 2005 at 11:04 PM (#1603206)
Is Mike Jacobs ever going to play again?
   18. rb's team is hopeful for the new year! Posted: September 07, 2005 at 11:08 PM (#1603215)
####### ESPN is holding things up.
   19. The Ted (now serving waffles) Posted: September 07, 2005 at 11:09 PM (#1603221)
What the hell is a chipper dipper anyway? I gotta get a new name.

A Hooter's waitress?

It looks like I'll be stuck at the office tonight. So, I'll be following this one on sportsline and hanging out here.
   20. Joshemy Posted: September 07, 2005 at 11:10 PM (#1603225)
Well, that's a good start for Reyes.
   21. Joshemy Posted: September 07, 2005 at 11:12 PM (#1603227)
That's even better.
   22. AJMcCringleberry Posted: September 07, 2005 at 11:12 PM (#1603228)
#50!
   23. AJMcCringleberry Posted: September 07, 2005 at 11:13 PM (#1603231)
Uh oh Matsui couldn't lay down the bunt, I guess that means Cairo will be starting tomorrow.
   24. AJMcCringleberry Posted: September 07, 2005 at 11:15 PM (#1603241)
Nice hustle!
   25. Joshemy Posted: September 07, 2005 at 11:15 PM (#1603242)
KazMat hustles!
   26. Joshemy Posted: September 07, 2005 at 11:16 PM (#1603244)
I would yell about Beltran giving up an out with the bunt, but knowing him, he would have grounded into a double play...
   27. AJMcCringleberry Posted: September 07, 2005 at 11:17 PM (#1603248)
Why the #### is Beltran bunting!?
   28. The Ted (now serving waffles) Posted: September 07, 2005 at 11:17 PM (#1603251)
Beltran sacrificed to catcher, Reyes to third, Matsui to second.


Can someone watching the game explain this? Was it a swinging bunt?
   29. Joshemy Posted: September 07, 2005 at 11:17 PM (#1603252)
Hey, we got a first inning run!
   30. AJMcCringleberry Posted: September 07, 2005 at 11:18 PM (#1603254)
No, just a plain old sac bunt.
   31. Joshemy Posted: September 07, 2005 at 11:19 PM (#1603258)
Can someone watching the game explain this? Was it a swinging bunt?

No, this is called having a third hitter who likes to bunt, thinking at worst it is a sac bunt and at best he beats it out with his speed...
   32. Joshemy Posted: September 07, 2005 at 11:20 PM (#1603264)
D-Wright!
   33. AJMcCringleberry Posted: September 07, 2005 at 11:20 PM (#1603268)
David Wright is good.
   34. Robert in Manhattan Beach Posted: September 07, 2005 at 11:22 PM (#1603272)
It's going to be uphill tonight I guess...
   35. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: September 07, 2005 at 11:28 PM (#1603291)
Tim Hudson really hasn't been as good as I thought he would be with the Braves. Entering tonight, the opponents OPS against is .758, exactly the same as Tom Glavine.
   36. Joshemy Posted: September 07, 2005 at 11:31 PM (#1603302)
A scoreless first inning against the Braves for Glavine. Whee!
   37. rb's team is hopeful for the new year! Posted: September 07, 2005 at 11:32 PM (#1603306)
Tim Hudson really hasn’t been as good as I thought he would be with the Braves. Entering tonight, the opponents OPS against is .758, exactly the same as Tom Glavine.

Well, he was better before he got hurt, and maybe someday he will recover. I think he had a good outing last time out.

Whatever happened to hampton anyway? Wasn't he supposed to go to the bullpen? Where is he?
   38. AJMcCringleberry Posted: September 07, 2005 at 11:33 PM (#1603310)
Scoreless inning? Woo!
   39. Joshemy Posted: September 07, 2005 at 11:34 PM (#1603313)
Another leadoff hitter on. Yay!
   40. Joshemy Posted: September 07, 2005 at 11:38 PM (#1603331)
And Reyes gets under it too much. I really hate when he does that.
   41. AJMcCringleberry Posted: September 07, 2005 at 11:39 PM (#1603332)
Damn you Andruw Jones!
   42. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: September 07, 2005 at 11:39 PM (#1603335)
I hate this broadcast crew. Synopsis so far.

The Atlanta Braves: Perfect.

The New York Mets: Worst thing in history.
   43. Joshemy Posted: September 07, 2005 at 11:43 PM (#1603346)
I already hate Jeff Francoeur.
   44. Tanto Posted: September 07, 2005 at 11:44 PM (#1603351)
The Atlanta Braves: Perfect.

The New York Mets: Worst thing in history.


I don't see anything factually incorrect about that.
   45. Robert in Manhattan Beach Posted: September 07, 2005 at 11:44 PM (#1603354)
Nice Franky. Let's get one back here.
   46. Joshemy Posted: September 07, 2005 at 11:44 PM (#1603358)
Beltran plays way too deep.
   47. Joshemy Posted: September 07, 2005 at 11:47 PM (#1603370)
Nice job Tommy.
   48. Robert in Manhattan Beach Posted: September 07, 2005 at 11:48 PM (#1603374)
Bummer. Gotta tune Glavine the second time through the order.
   49. AJMcCringleberry Posted: September 07, 2005 at 11:49 PM (#1603376)
Two scoreless innings!
   50. Joshemy Posted: September 07, 2005 at 11:52 PM (#1603389)
I wonder if Beltran will hit it past Hudson today...
   51. The Ted (now serving waffles) Posted: September 07, 2005 at 11:54 PM (#1603395)
Hudson has looked good so far. It looks like he just got a little unlucky in the first.
   52. Robert in Manhattan Beach Posted: September 07, 2005 at 11:58 PM (#1603403)
Maybe if we just swing at everything that will help.
   53. Joshemy Posted: September 07, 2005 at 11:58 PM (#1603405)
Nice quick inning for Tommy.
   54. The Ted (now serving waffles) Posted: September 08, 2005 at 12:00 AM (#1603407)
Good grief!

When did we forget how to hit Glavine!?!?!?
   55. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: September 08, 2005 at 12:05 AM (#1603421)
Infield hit for Castro. Seriously.
   56. Joshemy Posted: September 08, 2005 at 12:05 AM (#1603427)
That's going to be scored an infield single.

Castro got an infield single. Hah!
   57. AJMcCringleberry Posted: September 08, 2005 at 12:08 AM (#1603434)
Infield hit for Castro. Cool.
   58. AJMcCringleberry Posted: September 08, 2005 at 12:09 AM (#1603438)
What a bunch of loons.
   59. Joshemy Posted: September 08, 2005 at 12:14 AM (#1603451)
Tommy!
   60. AJMcCringleberry Posted: September 08, 2005 at 12:15 AM (#1603453)
Ok, so who inhabited Glavine's body tonight?
   61. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: September 08, 2005 at 12:17 AM (#1603458)
Including today's game, Glavine has a 3.24 ERA since his first six starts of the season.
   62. The Ted (now serving waffles) Posted: September 08, 2005 at 12:19 AM (#1603461)
Including today’s game, Glavine has a 3.24 ERA since his first six starts of the season.


He must have been pitching well of late if he has been able to get his ERA below 4.
   63. Chris Dial Posted: September 08, 2005 at 12:19 AM (#1603463)
That frickin' Francoeur is really good.
   64. Joshemy Posted: September 08, 2005 at 12:20 AM (#1603465)
They aren't impressive, but they are hits.

Now steal second Kaz.
   65. cynic Posted: September 08, 2005 at 12:20 AM (#1603466)
Argh. Stupid Matsui. He's going to make the Mets reconsider trading him this offseason, isn't he.
   66. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: September 08, 2005 at 12:21 AM (#1603468)
Seriously, these announcers are terrible.
   67. Chris Dial Posted: September 08, 2005 at 12:21 AM (#1603470)
I'd rather have Matsui than Cairo.
   68. Chris Dial Posted: September 08, 2005 at 12:22 AM (#1603471)
And I'd rather have Beltran/Floyd/Wright bat with no outs than otherwise.
   69. Joshemy Posted: September 08, 2005 at 12:22 AM (#1603472)
Did he actually ever tag him?
   70. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: September 08, 2005 at 12:23 AM (#1603473)
Damning with faint praise.
   71. cynic Posted: September 08, 2005 at 12:24 AM (#1603475)
Huh.

For those who frequent MG, you may have noticed a post I put up in response to one of OFF's minor talks, where I asked why Andy Wilson hadn't been promoted yet, as he is dominating the FSL and is too old for his league.

I strolled through milb today to find that the Mets jumped him up to AAA, skipping Binghamton. I guess that's one way to do it.
   72. cynic Posted: September 08, 2005 at 12:26 AM (#1603484)
I’d rather have Matsui than Cairo.

Me too, as long as his role is backup MI/pinch hitter.

I'd rather have Jeff Keppinger, if the intended role is everyday starting second baseman.

Are there any second basemen who might be available via trade this winter? I don't remember anyone of consequence as a free agent.
   73. The Ted (now serving waffles) Posted: September 08, 2005 at 12:28 AM (#1603490)
Has anyone read the Red Cross thread? I'm curious if it worth the read, or has it turned into a flame war? It's over 4200 posts now.
   74. Joshemy Posted: September 08, 2005 at 12:30 AM (#1603491)
Damnit.
   75. Chris Dial Posted: September 08, 2005 at 12:32 AM (#1603495)
I have read it - there is negligible disagreement, and no flaming.

It's mostly situation updates and pleasant discussion.
   76. The Ted (now serving waffles) Posted: September 08, 2005 at 12:33 AM (#1603499)
We got one back! Hopefully, Randolph will keep Glavine in too long.
   77. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: September 08, 2005 at 12:38 AM (#1603508)
This has all the earmarks of a heartbreaking loss.
   78. cynic Posted: September 08, 2005 at 12:41 AM (#1603513)
Hopefully, Randolph will keep Glavine in too long.

He already has, by 11 2/3 innings.
   79. Chris Dial Posted: September 08, 2005 at 12:42 AM (#1603518)
Nice one cynic!
   80. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: September 08, 2005 at 12:44 AM (#1603523)
If Glavine can keep his ERA under 4.00, I'll be happy to have him next season. The Mets have to pay him the 3.5 million dollar buyout anyway. He'll be worth the 5-7 million he'll make next season if he does what he's done this season.
   81. I Love LA (OFF) Posted: September 08, 2005 at 12:50 AM (#1603545)
I hope Guatemala makes the World Cup. Chapina women are a gift from God.

Anyway, just to respond to the Matsui question, no. Nobody currently in the organization should be the starting 2b next year. Nobody.
   82. cynic Posted: September 08, 2005 at 12:52 AM (#1603550)
That's a pretty big if, though, and will depend strongly on what the Met defense looks like. I agree that what he's done this season has probably been worth $6M, despite all the early season headaches. Would I count on him to do it again, though? I'd much rather have that money to make a run at someone else, I think.

Still. Pedro/Benson/Seo/Glavine/Trachsel is a reasonably strong collection of starters. If the Mets can find an average second baseman and figure out whether Ramon Castro and Mike Jacobs are for reals, I'd be comfortable with that group.
   83. Joshemy Posted: September 08, 2005 at 12:52 AM (#1603551)
That's a cheap two bases for Glavine.
   84. cynic Posted: September 08, 2005 at 12:55 AM (#1603561)
Anyway, just to respond to the Matsui question, no. Nobody currently in the organization should be the starting 2b next year. Nobody.

I agree that nobody should be handed the starting job, but I'm not sure I'd go so far as to say that nobody should be allowed to compete for it. If that's the case, what is your plan for filling that hole?

Unless...you're going to play Diaz in shallow right, and Cameron in deeper right, with no 2B, thus getting both bats in the lineup and having Cameron-Diaz as the official RF (no, that joke never gets old).
   85. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: September 08, 2005 at 12:58 AM (#1603573)
That’s a pretty big if, though, and will depend strongly on what the Met defense looks like.

Is it really that big of an if? Other than 2002, the last time his ERA was over 4.00 was 1999. Glavine's BABIP entering tonight was .312 so it will be hard for him to get less help from his defense than he's received this season.
   86. The Ted (now serving waffles) Posted: September 08, 2005 at 01:02 AM (#1603584)
I guess we're seeing Hudson in the 8th...
   87. Harris Posted: September 08, 2005 at 01:03 AM (#1603585)
NON GAME CHATTER SORRY -
Dial - might be in a bit late tomorrow. We're missing a cat. Neighbor found his collar by their mailbox, sent email throughout neigborhood, got a reply that someone said he thought he saw our cat dart in front of his car this morning at 6:30 AM, he stopped to see if he'd hit him, but no sign of the cat. Therefore we have to assume we've got a frightened kitty in the bramble who may be really injured or may be simply frightened. I've searched all evening, to no avail, we got the potential hit email after dark. We'll start looking againg early in the morning, but it may take a while. I'll keep you posted. you can email me in lieu of game chatter if you want, I won't be looking back here. It's not the place for this discussion.
   88. The Ted (now serving waffles) Posted: September 08, 2005 at 01:03 AM (#1603588)
Let's drive in another one here.
   89. Joshemy Posted: September 08, 2005 at 01:03 AM (#1603589)
Tommy with the punchout!
   90. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: September 08, 2005 at 01:04 AM (#1603593)
Glavine carved up Furcal in that AB.
   91. cynic Posted: September 08, 2005 at 01:05 AM (#1603595)
That's true, but the last time his age was 40 was...never. I don't see a whole lot of good comps for 40-something soft-tossing lefties, except maybe Jamie Moyer, who's had one very good year (2003), one very bad year (2004), and one basically average year (2005) since turning the big 4-0.

I think Glavine is reading my posts between batters. Nice inning for Tom.
   92. Chris Dial Posted: September 08, 2005 at 01:05 AM (#1603597)
Still. Pedro/Benson/Seo/Glavine/Trachsel

Or:
Still. Pedro/Seo/Glavine/Trachsel/"someone else"

Where "someone else" = Petit.
   93. cynic Posted: September 08, 2005 at 01:06 AM (#1603600)
Good luck, Harris. Here's hoping you find him uninjured.
   94. Joshemy Posted: September 08, 2005 at 01:07 AM (#1603603)
Furcal isn't having the best night...
   95. I Love LA (OFF) Posted: September 08, 2005 at 01:08 AM (#1603606)
None of the four internal candidates strike me as starting material. Matsui looks good right now, but we all know what he is. Anderson Hernandez is a flash in the pan, and Keppinger could very well be another Miguel Cairo. Maybe platooned they can combine to be above average, but with Randolph at the helm, I wouldn't count on it. We already have three hitters who are going to be below average next year (Reyes, Castro, pitcher), can we really afford to carry another one?
   96. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: September 08, 2005 at 01:09 AM (#1603611)
Um, Beltran stole 41 in 2003 and 42 last year. This announcing crew is retarded.
   97. cynic Posted: September 08, 2005 at 01:11 AM (#1603617)
Petit's getting pounded in AAA right now. It's only been three starts, so I'm not super-worried, but I don't think it likely that the Mets think he's ready. And I'd rather they take their time than risk rushing him, as he's still quite young.

Right now I'd imagine Bannister would get the call first. Plus you're planning on trading Benson in the offseason? I don't think the Mets are even thinking about that. I probably wouldn't mind signing Burnett to be the #2 and having an extra starter for injury insurance, but I'd guess Omar has other plans.
   98. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: September 08, 2005 at 01:12 AM (#1603620)
The Mets have some decisions to make this offseason. Can Diaz hit enough to be the firstbaseman? Should they acquire an outfielder? What to do with Cameron/Diaz and Zambrano?
   99. The Ted (now serving waffles) Posted: September 08, 2005 at 01:14 AM (#1603624)
That was dumb.
   100. Joshemy Posted: September 08, 2005 at 01:15 AM (#1603627)
Agreed Ted.
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