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Sunday, May 27, 2012

Rays (28-19) @ RedSox (23-23), Sunday, May 27, 2012, 1:35pm

TBR:Jeremy Hellickson (25, RHP, 4-1, 2.73)
BOS:Clay Buchholz (27, RHP, 4-2, 7.84)

The Primer Chimp Posted: May 27, 2012 at 10:00 AM | 79 comment(s)
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1. Jim Wisinski

Posted: May 27, 2012 at 01:41 PM (#4141207)

The good news is that with Angel Hernandez behind the plate we shouldn't have to worry about any controversy or frustration from the batters and pitchers today.

2. Dan Posted: May 27, 2012 at 01:42 PM (#4141208)

Podsednik is soo bad

3. Jim Wisinski

Posted: May 27, 2012 at 01:50 PM (#4141213)

I think Rhymes brushed the jersey anyway but you can't expect to get a close call when the throw beats you by that much.

4. Dan Posted: May 27, 2012 at 01:50 PM (#4141214)

Rhymes never even tagged Pedroia.

5. Rafael Bellylard: Built like a Fielder Posted: May 27, 2012 at 01:52 PM (#4141216)

looks like Rhymes did miss Pedroia, but that doesn't make it any less a dumb move by Pedroia.

6. Dan Posted: May 27, 2012 at 01:55 PM (#4141219)

I'll probably regret saying this in an inning or two, but Buchholz looks good early.

7. Dan Posted: May 27, 2012 at 02:04 PM (#4141221)

Salty needed IV fluids yesterday and hit a walkoff home run. Josh Hamilton did both of those things yesterday too.

8. Jim Wisinski

Posted: May 27, 2012 at 02:07 PM (#4141223)

By IV fluids you mean super-steroids in liquid form, right?

9. Jim Wisinski

Posted: May 27, 2012 at 02:39 PM (#4141235)

I was wondering why the right fielder was running after that so slowly and then playing it out of the corner tenatively until I remembered who the Red Sox had out there today.

10. Dan Posted: May 27, 2012 at 03:09 PM (#4141245)

Dunno why Hellickson would throw WMB a curve instead of the change after how bad he's looked on the changeups.

11. Jim Wisinski

Posted: May 27, 2012 at 03:20 PM (#4141257)

Buchholz is the new Steve Trachsel.

12. Dan Posted: May 27, 2012 at 03:22 PM (#4141258)

I think I'd go to Miller after Zobrist no matter what happens. Does BV even have anyone warming though?

13. Dan Posted: May 27, 2012 at 03:23 PM (#4141259)

Buchholz is the new Steve Trachsel.

I believe I read somewhere that Buchholz and Hellickson are the first and second slowest paced starters in the AL, respectively.

14. Jim Wisinski

Posted: May 27, 2012 at 03:26 PM (#4141261)

I know Hellickson isn't quick but didn't realize he was that bad. I suspect that it's more of a result of him being really slow when men get on, I don't think he's as bad as Buchholz when the bases are empty.

I know that fairly recently the Rays radio guys relayed a tweet by Karl Ravech saying that five of the seven slowest pitchers in baseball this season were on the Red Sox.

15. Dan Posted: May 27, 2012 at 03:28 PM (#4141262)

Hellickson's gonna throw a 95 pitch CG ShO.

16. Joe Bivens, Minor Genius Posted: May 27, 2012 at 03:34 PM (#4141266)

They were both safe!

17. Jim Wisinski

Posted: May 27, 2012 at 03:35 PM (#4141267)

One angle I'd swear Rodriguez had his hand on the base before the tag, the other angle looked a lot like the tag was on just barely before he touched the bag.

18. plink Posted: May 27, 2012 at 03:38 PM (#4141269)

Pedroia should have tried to hold the tag, though. (Not that it would have been easy...)

19. Joe Bivens, Minor Genius Posted: May 27, 2012 at 03:38 PM (#4141270)

OK, when Drew Sutton just misses a HR, it's time to take out your pitcher.

20. Joe Bivens, Minor Genius Posted: May 27, 2012 at 03:39 PM (#4141271)

103 pitches? Yeah, that's enough.

21. Joe Bivens, Minor Genius Posted: May 27, 2012 at 03:41 PM (#4141273)

Come on.

22. Joe Bivens, Minor Genius Posted: May 27, 2012 at 03:42 PM (#4141274)

I guess Nava is another noodle arm out there.

23. Dan Posted: May 27, 2012 at 03:42 PM (#4141275)

And Bobby V's patented slow hook strikes again!

24. plink Posted: May 27, 2012 at 03:42 PM (#4141276)

There's no way Rodriguez should have been allowed to score there. A short liner to left in Fenway?

25. Joe Bivens, Minor Genius Posted: May 27, 2012 at 03:44 PM (#4141279)

He's left the inbred-looking goof in there a couple batters too long. Eh. They can come back. Buchholz's era must be down to 7.00 now.

26. Joe Bivens, Minor Genius Posted: May 27, 2012 at 03:46 PM (#4141280)

That guy singing GBA looked like Joe the Plumber.

27. Dan Posted: May 27, 2012 at 03:48 PM (#4141282)

7.19

28. Joe Bivens, Minor Genius Posted: May 27, 2012 at 03:50 PM (#4141284)

Dan, take your biblical references to the...wait, is there a biblical thread going?

29. Jim Wisinski

Posted: May 27, 2012 at 03:51 PM (#4141286)

I guess Nava is another noodle arm out there.

He isn't, is he? I thought he made a pretty strong (although ill-advised) throw to the plate last night, I was expecting a play at the plate on Rodriguez there because a similar throw probably would have made it very close. It's almost as if he was overreacted to being chastened by the coaching staff for not giving the cut-off man a chance last night and went the opposite direction, making a throw directly to the SS that would have rolled to the plate if allowed through.

30. Joe Bivens, Minor Genius Posted: May 27, 2012 at 03:51 PM (#4141287)

OK Youk. You've had a good day in the field. Let's go.

31. Joe Bivens, Minor Genius Posted: May 27, 2012 at 03:53 PM (#4141288)

I don't know, Jim, he looked like he took his time getting rid of it, and didn't give Aviles a chance. He should have aired it out to home.

32. Joe Bivens, Minor Genius Posted: May 27, 2012 at 03:55 PM (#4141291)

Oh yeah. I called it. (Ask my wife)

33. plink Posted: May 27, 2012 at 03:55 PM (#4141293)

That is Adrian Gonzalez.

34. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: May 27, 2012 at 03:55 PM (#4141294)

Man did I pick the right time to stop doing yard work.

35. Joe Bivens, Minor Genius Posted: May 27, 2012 at 03:56 PM (#4141295)

Alright, I lied. My wife isn't here. But I called it. Ask my dogs and cats.

36. Dan Posted: May 27, 2012 at 03:56 PM (#4141296)

Adrian Gonzalez finally hits an opposite field homer!

37. Jim Wisinski

Posted: May 27, 2012 at 03:56 PM (#4141297)

Looks like I had picked the right time to go take a crap. Very Price-ish by Hellickson.

38. Dan Posted: May 27, 2012 at 04:04 PM (#4141302)

I know it downgrades the defense at third, but I like pulling WMB there instead of Gonzo or Youkilis, who might get a chnace to bat again in a bit spot if the Rays tie it up.

39. Joe Bivens, Minor Genius Posted: May 27, 2012 at 04:04 PM (#4141303)

This is a game Buchholz deserves to win, along with the game they beat the A's 11-6. That's about it, though.

40. Joe Bivens, Minor Genius Posted: May 27, 2012 at 04:05 PM (#4141305)

You think Youk is better than Middlebrooks at 3rd? I don't.

41. Dan Posted: May 27, 2012 at 04:07 PM (#4141306)

No, which is why I said "I know it downgrades the defense at third".

42. Joe Bivens, Minor Genius Posted: May 27, 2012 at 04:07 PM (#4141307)

I don't like this move. I'd rather see Morales finish the inning and get to Aceves, and save Padilla in case.

43. Dan Posted: May 27, 2012 at 04:08 PM (#4141308)

Buchholz was also good in his last start against the Rays.

44. Joe Bivens, Minor Genius Posted: May 27, 2012 at 04:08 PM (#4141309)

Huh? If he's better than Youk...?

45. Dan Posted: May 27, 2012 at 04:09 PM (#4141310)

I'm okay with going to Padilla for Upton. Morales has a history of big platoon splits, so letting him face Upton in a 1 run game is asking for trouble. Then go to Hill for Joyce, and Aceves for the 9th.

46. Joe Bivens, Minor Genius Posted: May 27, 2012 at 04:10 PM (#4141311)

Is Hill ready?

47. Dan Posted: May 27, 2012 at 04:11 PM (#4141313)

Huh? If he's better than Youk...?

They pulled WMB. I like the move based on where the Sox are in the lineup, even though it downgrades the defense at third base. Middlebrooks just batted in the last inning, and there's a fair chance Youk and Gonzalez could come to bat in the bottom of the 8th or 9th if the game goes past 8 innings.

48. plink Posted: May 27, 2012 at 04:11 PM (#4141314)

Generous strike one to Joyce. (Not thrilled with leaving Padilla in for Joyce...)

49. Joe Bivens, Minor Genius Posted: May 27, 2012 at 04:13 PM (#4141315)

OH, "pulling".

50. Dan Posted: May 27, 2012 at 04:13 PM (#4141316)

Seems weird to let Padilla face Joyce if you're playing matchups aggressively.

51. Joe Bivens, Minor Genius Posted: May 27, 2012 at 04:17 PM (#4141318)

I hope Salatalamonkeyface catches tomorrow. I saw Shoppach catch the last time I was at Fenway.

52. Joe Bivens, Minor Genius Posted: May 27, 2012 at 04:19 PM (#4141322)

Don't have him bunt. He just gave up a hit to a cadaver.

53. Dan Posted: May 27, 2012 at 04:20 PM (#4141323)

Who's pitching for Detroit tomorrow, Fister? It should be Salty unless it's a lefty.

54. Joe Bivens, Minor Genius Posted: May 27, 2012 at 04:22 PM (#4141325)

It's Fister.

55. Dan Posted: May 27, 2012 at 04:22 PM (#4141326)

Not a fan of the bunt against a pitcher who's tiring and over 90 pitches.

56. Dan Posted: May 27, 2012 at 04:23 PM (#4141327)

Looks like Verlander Tuesday and then Smyly Wednesday against Lester. So i'd expect to see Salty for 2 more days and then Shoppach.

57. Joe Bivens, Minor Genius Posted: May 27, 2012 at 04:25 PM (#4141331)

But Salty has been on IV fluids.

58. Joe Bivens, Minor Genius Posted: May 27, 2012 at 04:28 PM (#4141332)

Back in Abe Simpson's day, 3-2 games didn't last 3 hours.

59. Joe Bivens, Minor Genius Posted: May 27, 2012 at 04:33 PM (#4141336)

I would have given Papi the green light there.

60. Joe Bivens, Minor Genius Posted: May 27, 2012 at 04:34 PM (#4141339)

Wait, who was up? I got sunblock in my eye.

61. Dan Posted: May 27, 2012 at 04:34 PM (#4141340)

And replacing WMB instead of Youk or Gonzo pays off: they're both going to bat in this inning.

62. Dan Posted: May 27, 2012 at 04:35 PM (#4141341)

Must've been a lot of sunblock to make the stout, right-handed, white Youkilis look like David Ortiz.

63. Joe Bivens, Minor Genius Posted: May 27, 2012 at 04:36 PM (#4141342)

I would have given YOUK the green light at 3-0.

64. Joe Bivens, Minor Genius Posted: May 27, 2012 at 04:36 PM (#4141343)

He probably had the green light and took on his own.

65. Joe Bivens, Minor Genius Posted: May 27, 2012 at 04:37 PM (#4141344)

I'm not calling anything here. No jinxes.

66. Dan Posted: May 27, 2012 at 04:37 PM (#4141345)

Maddon tried to get awfully fancy rather than just going to McGee to face Ortiz.

67. Joe Bivens, Minor Genius Posted: May 27, 2012 at 04:42 PM (#4141347)

And they strand the cadaver at third. The cadaver is 5 for 11 with a HR.

68. Joe Bivens, Minor Genius Posted: May 27, 2012 at 04:43 PM (#4141348)

Wait, they took out the cadaver for a defensive replacement? He's in there for his bat?

69. Chip Posted: May 27, 2012 at 04:48 PM (#4141351)

Aceves getting squeezed.

70. Joe Bivens, Minor Genius Posted: May 27, 2012 at 04:48 PM (#4141352)

He called that first pitch a strike on Middlebrooks, earlier.

71. Jim Wisinski

Posted: May 27, 2012 at 04:50 PM (#4141354)

Yes!

Rodriguez has serious pop in his bat, it doesn't show all that often because he's not a very good hitter but he can launch them out.

72. Lassus Posted: May 27, 2012 at 04:52 PM (#4141356)

Thank god I sat Aceves today.

I assume this is somehow Valentine's fault.

73. plink Posted: May 27, 2012 at 04:53 PM (#4141357)

It was a pretty terrible pitch from Aceves.

74. Dan Posted: May 27, 2012 at 04:56 PM (#4141359)

I love that Maddon brings in Molina specifically to frame pitches for Rodney.

75. Chip Posted: May 27, 2012 at 04:58 PM (#4141361)

It must be working. Rodney has had terrible control throughout his career, until this year.

76. Dan Posted: May 27, 2012 at 04:59 PM (#4141362)

It is working. It's legitimately brilliant.

77. Chip Posted: May 27, 2012 at 05:00 PM (#4141363)

Aceves could have used some framing in the top of the inning, given that clear strikes were called balls, causing him to walk the leadoff guy and fall behind Rodriquez before giving up the HR.

78. Chip Posted: May 27, 2012 at 05:02 PM (#4141365)

This team just refuses to get above .500.

79. Joe Bivens, Minor Genius Posted: May 27, 2012 at 05:02 PM (#4141367)

Yeah. #### happens. Not a big deal. They're playing better.

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