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Monday, April 16, 2012

Rays (4-5) @ RedSox (4-5), Monday, April 16, 2012, 11:05am

TBR:James Shields (30, RHP, 1-0, 5.54)
BOS:Daniel Bard (27, RHP, 0-1, 9.00)

The Primer Chimp Posted: April 16, 2012 at 10:00 AM | 250 comment(s)
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201. The Mohole* of David Wells (* - Piehole)

Posted: April 16, 2012 at 01:36 PM (#4107941)

Make that all 5. This ump SUCKS at calling balls and strikes.

202. Joel W Posted: April 16, 2012 at 01:37 PM (#4107943)

I am just angry because I thought we were getting a manager who was the opposite of Tito in this respect, and frankly, had been through the first two weeks of the season. That it feels like he was just being petulant also grates.

203. Joel W Posted: April 16, 2012 at 01:37 PM (#4107945)

Would be a great time to pinch hit with Youk.

204. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: April 16, 2012 at 01:37 PM (#4107946)

Winning the world series is a bit more worthy of extended replay than winning a wild card berth.

True, but it's not like the Rays did nothing. That was a pretty incredible moment for them last year.

during the time when he's healthy, Lowrie is a useful ballplayer.

Lowrie is overrated. He's a below average defensive player up the middle and he can't hit right handed pitching and has no speed.

205. Dan Posted: April 16, 2012 at 01:38 PM (#4107949)

It's well-known that you can't do that. You can't do it in little league either.

The infield fly rule exists for a reason, to prevent you from turning a double play when there are 2 runners on and a ball is popped up like that. There's a specific reason that the infield fly rule specifies that: with 1 runner on, you are perfectly allowed to let a ball drop and go for the fielder's choice should you so please, as the runner at the plate has plenty of time to reach fiest and prevent you from turning it into a double play. If he chooses not to run out the play, he should hit into a DP, as the rules don't prevent it.

206. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: April 16, 2012 at 01:39 PM (#4107950)

Youk should bat this inning, provided he can. Really, he can hit for any of these guys, doesn't matter.

207. Joel W Posted: April 16, 2012 at 01:39 PM (#4107951)

Cherington traded an oft-injured player who I have no reason to believe is as good as Aviles for a guy who had just come off an excellent year in relief. It's ridiculous to complain about that, and it's certainly ridiculous to write of Melancon after just a few innings.

208. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: April 16, 2012 at 01:40 PM (#4107952)

I didn't see the play. I'm pretty sure the rule in such a situation is if the infielder just lets it drop it's OK but if it hits his glove first and is ruled to be an intentional drop it is not allowed.

209. Dan Posted: April 16, 2012 at 01:40 PM (#4107953)

I am just angry because I thought we were getting a manager who was the opposite of Tito in this respect, and frankly, had been through the first two weeks of the season. That it feels like he was just being petulant also grates.

This echoes my sentinments exactly. I thought we were getting a manager who would be aggressive with PH and pitching changes and not trying to get pitchers wins and stealing extra innings from clearly gassed starters, but Valentine appears to not come as advertised, other than the diarrhea of the mouth.

210. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: April 16, 2012 at 01:42 PM (#4107955)

It's not like Yankee Redneck who is as predictable as the tides, karl sneaks his shots in there with nice timing. I don't think I fully appreciate his genius.

I'm far more amused by YR than karl. His predictability is part of the amusement for me.

211. Dan Posted: April 16, 2012 at 01:42 PM (#4107956)

I also thought a situation like this inning would have Valentine batting Youkilis, unlike Francona who rarely used pinch hitters and rarely used guys on their "off days". But Valentine is apparently not going to actually do that either.

And Shields pitch count is low enough that he can go 9. An extra 4 or 5 pitches from not running Ross into an out at 2nd sure would've been nice.

212. The Mohole* of David Wells (* - Piehole)

Posted: April 16, 2012 at 01:44 PM (#4107959)

I didn't see the play. I'm pretty sure the rule in such a situation is if the infielder just lets it drop it's OK but if it hits his glove first and is ruled to be an intentional drop it is not allowed.

That's what happened. I've never seen the a ball that was intentionally dropped from the glove called anything other than an out in the majors or any other level of organized baseball. You can't just drop it with your glove. Aviles should have just let it hit the ground and fielded it.

213. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: April 16, 2012 at 01:45 PM (#4107963)

Valentine mismanaged this game by waiting too long to act, but he's shown good aggressive tendencies in other games.

214. The Mohole* of David Wells (* - Piehole)

Posted: April 16, 2012 at 01:45 PM (#4107964)

This is probably BV's worst game managing with the Sox. Shouldn't have had this lineup going, should have pulled Bard 2 batters earlier, shouldn't have had Ross try to steal 2nd, should have had Youk pinch hit. Just a poor day all around.

215. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: April 16, 2012 at 01:46 PM (#4107965)

You can't just drop it with your glove. Aviles should have just let it hit the ground and fielded it.

Right. I'm pretty sure the "intentional drop" is just an out. You have to let the ball hit the ground, and then you're taking a risk it spins away from you somehow.

216. The Mohole* of David Wells (* - Piehole)

Posted: April 16, 2012 at 01:47 PM (#4107970)

Just no movement on that FB.

217. Dan Posted: April 16, 2012 at 01:55 PM (#4107974)

I mean on Friday afternoon I'd've been thrilled as #### with 3 wins out of 4 in this series, but letting Bard walk in that run is going to leave a bad taste in my mouth for a long time. The fact that this game likely ends with that as the deciding run is just the icing on the cake.

218. villageidiom Posted: April 16, 2012 at 01:55 PM (#4107975)

In the definition of "catch" in Rule 2.00:

In establishing the validity of the catch, the fielder shall hold the ball long enough to prove that he has complete control of the ball and that his release of the ball is voluntary and intentional.

Rule 6.05(l):

6.05 A batter is out when an infielder intentionally drops a fair fly ball or line drive, with first, first and second, first and third, or first, second and third base occupied before two are out. The ball is dead and runner or runners shall return to their original base or bases.

APPROVED RULING: In this situation, the batter is not out if the infielder permits the ball to drop untouched to the ground, except when the Infield Fly rule applies.

219. The Mohole* of David Wells (* - Piehole)

Posted: April 16, 2012 at 01:57 PM (#4107977)

Nice defensive game by Salty so far. Doing #### with the bat though.

220. The Mohole* of David Wells (* - Piehole)

Posted: April 16, 2012 at 01:58 PM (#4107978)

Can't believe that first pitch to Aviles was called a strike. That was a ball all day long.

221. Joel W Posted: April 16, 2012 at 01:58 PM (#4107979)

Valentine mismanaged this game by waiting too long to act, but he's shown good aggressive tendencies in other games.

I agree, and I'm interested to see what he has to say about it, but it was just all kinds of wrong, moreso than other decisions he's made in the good directions so far. As I said above, I'm at least as concerned about the injury risk as anything else.

222. The Mohole* of David Wells (* - Piehole)

Posted: April 16, 2012 at 02:00 PM (#4107981)

This ump is an #######.

223. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: April 16, 2012 at 02:01 PM (#4107982)

"Swing and a drive jacked off to the left. " Dave O'Brien

224. The Mohole* of David Wells (* - Piehole)

Posted: April 16, 2012 at 02:01 PM (#4107984)

"Swing and a drive jacked off to the left. " Dave O'Brien

Heh.

225. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: April 16, 2012 at 02:04 PM (#4107986)

"Swing and a drive jacked off to the left. " Dave O'Brien

I coached a 5th grade basketball team this winter. At one point during a game we were changing 4 of the 5 kids on the floor with only a kid named Jack staying in the game. As confusion took hold during the substitution I loudly, and unfortunately screamed at the top of my lungs "everyone but Jack off!!!"

The giggling from the parents in the bleachers behind me lasted a couple of minutes.

226. Dan Posted: April 16, 2012 at 02:04 PM (#4107987)

Fernando Rodney's gotta be overdue to blow a save, right? Something like that?

227. Textbook Editor Posted: April 16, 2012 at 02:05 PM (#4107988)

Don't run us out of an inning.

228. The Mohole* of David Wells (* - Piehole)

Posted: April 16, 2012 at 02:05 PM (#4107989)

Throwing gas.

229. Dan Posted: April 16, 2012 at 02:05 PM (#4107990)

98 MPH from Rodney.

230. The Mohole* of David Wells (* - Piehole)

Posted: April 16, 2012 at 02:06 PM (#4107992)

What are they chanting?

231. Dan Posted: April 16, 2012 at 02:07 PM (#4107993)

Rodney overthrowing like crazy.

Please please don't chase his ####.

232. Dan Posted: April 16, 2012 at 02:07 PM (#4107996)

It sounds like they're chanting ROD-ney.

Gonzalez chases ball 4.

233. TomH Posted: April 16, 2012 at 02:10 PM (#4107997)

putting the winning run on first....

234. Joel W Posted: April 16, 2012 at 02:10 PM (#4107998)

Bat flip home run, bat flip home run, bat flip home run. Please, please, please.

235. TomH Posted: April 16, 2012 at 02:11 PM (#4107999)

good decision to PR

236. Dan Posted: April 16, 2012 at 02:11 PM (#4108001)

What the #### has Rodney done to earn that strike 1 call, exactly? Hasn't been a strike all day. #### this ump in the ear.

237. TomH Posted: April 16, 2012 at 02:11 PM (#4108002)

...but are there any fast pitchers who could be called on to do so?

238. Dan Posted: April 16, 2012 at 02:12 PM (#4108004)

Rodney hasn't throw a ####### strike yet. This is ####### BULL SH I T

239. The Mohole* of David Wells (* - Piehole)

Posted: April 16, 2012 at 02:12 PM (#4108005)

This ####### #######

240. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: April 16, 2012 at 02:12 PM (#4108006)

ARE YOU ####### KIDDING ME? NONE OF THOSE ####### PITCHES WERE ####### STRIKES

241. Chip Posted: April 16, 2012 at 02:12 PM (#4108007)

Ross getting the Eric Gregg strike zone.

242. Dan Posted: April 16, 2012 at 02:12 PM (#4108008)

HE DIDNT THROW A SINGLE ####### STRIKE AND THOSE HAVENT BEEN STRIKES ALL GODD DAMN DAY

243. The Mohole* of David Wells (* - Piehole)

Posted: April 16, 2012 at 02:13 PM (#4108009)

That was ########.

244. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: April 16, 2012 at 02:13 PM (#4108010)

Can't blame Ross for that whatsoever, you can't swing at those pitches.

245. Chip Posted: April 16, 2012 at 02:14 PM (#4108011)

If Bard had gotten that zone he would have had 20 Ks and no walks.

246. Answer Guy Posted: April 16, 2012 at 02:14 PM (#4108012)

So what is the deal w/ Youks anyway? If he's out I think we're going to be seeing a lot more games like this one.....

247. Lassus Posted: April 16, 2012 at 02:19 PM (#4108019)

Can't blame Ross for that whatsoever, you can't swing at those pitches.

One of the radio guys did actually said you had to swing at a pitch that close. (The other, older one said it wasn't a strike.)

248. Chip Posted: April 16, 2012 at 02:20 PM (#4108024)

Just a rest day for Youks.

249. Flynn Posted: April 16, 2012 at 02:21 PM (#4108026)

AG, Youks can't play 160 games a year, and an 11 am start against a guy he's never hit is a perfect time to rest him.

250. Dan Posted: April 16, 2012 at 02:22 PM (#4108029)

Ross "strikeout"

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