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Monday, May 07, 2012

RedSox (11-16) @ Royals (9-18), Monday, May 7, 2012, 8:10pm

BOS:Felix Doubront (24, LHP, 1-1, 5.19)
KCR:Jonathan Sanchez (29, LHP, 1-1, 5.24)

The Primer Chimp Posted: May 07, 2012 at 10:00 AM | 192 comment(s)
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1. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: May 07, 2012 at 03:06 PM (#4125532)

According to PeteAbe the Sox are not making any roster moves for this one. So we're sending a pitcher who has been good but inefficient to the mound with a short bullpen the day before another pitcher who basically is cooked after 90 pitches with a depleted bullpen. Awesome. Apparently Adrian Gonzalez was lobbying hard to pitch yesterday before McDonald was called upon.

My WAG for availability tonight with pitches yesterday

Available:
Clayton Mortensen - 0 (57 on Saturday though)
Andrew Miller - 17

Probably Available for an Inning:
Franklin Morales - 25
Vicente Padilla - 31
Alfredo Aceves - 31

Probably Not Available
Matt Albers - 31 (doesn't seem as rubber armed as Padilla and Aceves)
Rich Hill - 34
Scott Atchison - 23 (30+ on Saturday also)
Darnell McDonald - 24

All things considered if Doubront pitches well the bullpen isn't in terrible shape. This is going to feed on itself with no days off coming. Somewhere in the next few days the Sox are going to need someone to grind out a 7-8 inning start.

2. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: May 07, 2012 at 05:32 PM (#4125674)

Lineups from the Globe

RED SOX (11-16)
Aviles SS
Pedroia 2B
Ortiz DH
Ross RH
Gonzalez 1B
Middlebrooks 3B
McDonald LF
Byrd CF
Shoppach C
Pitching: LHP Felix Doubront (1-1, 5.19)

ROYALS (9-18)
Dyson CF
Gordon LF
Butler DH
Hosmer 1B
Francoeur RF
Moustakas 3B
Pena C
Getz 2B
Escobar SS
Pitching: LHP Jonathan Sanchez (1-1, 5.24)

3. Dan Posted: May 07, 2012 at 07:35 PM (#4125771)

I would like Gonzalez to start hitting home runs again so I can stop being concerned about his power and start being excited to watch him hit again. His opposite field power swing is a beautiful thing, and if I've been harsh on him it's only because I miss seeing him hit that way.

4. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: May 07, 2012 at 08:10 PM (#4125792)

I realize I'm in the minority on this one but I hope we don't have too much Eck. I find his shtick every bit as annoying as others find Remy.

5. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: May 07, 2012 at 08:11 PM (#4125793)

Dan - agree with what you wrote in the ST thread, roster management so far is less than inspiring.

6. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: May 07, 2012 at 08:16 PM (#4125795)

That really looks like such a beautiful park.

7. Mattbert Posted: May 07, 2012 at 08:17 PM (#4125796)

As I said in the ST thread, the only explanation I can conjure up is that Tazawa and Melancon have thrown too much at Pawtucket recently to be available to the big club on short notice like this. Otherwise, what the fudge.

8. Dan Posted: May 07, 2012 at 08:20 PM (#4125800)

Adrian still looks totally lost.

9. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: May 07, 2012 at 08:21 PM (#4125801)

Even when you're totally lost, though, you can get a fluky hit like that.

10. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: May 07, 2012 at 08:21 PM (#4125803)

You gotta have someone here just in case Doubront gets hurt or throws up on himself. Even if it's Duckworth or Ohlendorf they needed to make a move.

11. Dan Posted: May 07, 2012 at 08:22 PM (#4125804)

Good recovery to have a good AB after the terrible strike 2 swing on the slider down and away.

12. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: May 07, 2012 at 08:22 PM (#4125805)

Middlebrooks, however, is not totally lost!

13. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: May 07, 2012 at 08:22 PM (#4125806)

Whoa, that thing was tagged, I thought it was foul. Replay?

14. Dan Posted: May 07, 2012 at 08:23 PM (#4125807)

Middlebrooks!

I think Youkilis might really have been Pipped. IMO play Youks in LF on his rehab assignment. How much worse out there can he be than Ross has been?

15. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: May 07, 2012 at 08:23 PM (#4125808)

Ok, he has serious power. That was a nothing swing.

16. ellsbury my heart at wounded knee Posted: May 07, 2012 at 08:23 PM (#4125809)

Holy crap

17. Phil Coorey. Posted: May 07, 2012 at 08:24 PM (#4125810)

WMB!

18. Dan Posted: May 07, 2012 at 08:30 PM (#4125814)

Seriously though, I think they need to try Youk in LF. It'll save his hip and lower back from not having to dive for grounders too.

19. ellsbury my heart at wounded knee Posted: May 07, 2012 at 08:31 PM (#4125817)

I like this 94MPH-throwing Doubront.

20. Dan Posted: May 07, 2012 at 08:38 PM (#4125823)

Nice 3-1 swing, Byrd.

21. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: May 07, 2012 at 08:39 PM (#4125825)

Man Eck is a fan of Melky Cabrera.

22. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: May 07, 2012 at 08:42 PM (#4125827)

Youk was horrible in left when he could move around. I can't imagine he will be better now.

Let's also slow down on Middlebrooks, that K rate is going to rear its ugly head at some point.

23. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: May 07, 2012 at 08:45 PM (#4125829)

Willy Pipplebrooks.

24. Dan Posted: May 07, 2012 at 08:47 PM (#4125831)

Even if you're not a fan of Melky, you have to think his trade value was higher than a pitcher who can't throw strikes that's already past his minimum salary years.

25. Dan Posted: May 07, 2012 at 08:48 PM (#4125832)

Walking Frenchy with a 4 run lead, Felix? Good god.

26. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: May 07, 2012 at 08:48 PM (#4125833)

While it's clearly a suboptimal arrangement of resources, all else being equal, I think Middlebrooks to left might be a better idea. Youkilis reportedly hates the OF, and I think the young guy would be more likely to make the move without hurting his production or himself.

27. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: May 07, 2012 at 08:48 PM (#4125834)

Great defensive center fielder!

28. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: May 07, 2012 at 08:49 PM (#4125835)

Of course.

29. Dan Posted: May 07, 2012 at 08:49 PM (#4125836)

#### Byrd. #### him. Just go away.

30. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: May 07, 2012 at 08:50 PM (#4125837)

Walking Frenchy with a 4 run lead, Felix?

It looks to me like Doubront has found some extra velocity, but hasn't figured out how to command his new, better stuff.

...

Ugh. The Royals announcers have been saying the winds are crazy tonight in KC. There they are.

31. ellsbury my heart at wounded knee Posted: May 07, 2012 at 08:50 PM (#4125838)

Is it against the rules for a Red Sox OF to make a decent play?

32. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: May 07, 2012 at 08:53 PM (#4125841)

What bothers me isn't that we can't pitch is the fear that we will finish this game with the four runs we have.

33. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: May 07, 2012 at 08:55 PM (#4125843)

Or not.

34. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: May 07, 2012 at 08:55 PM (#4125844)

Ageless Papi!

35. Dan Posted: May 07, 2012 at 08:55 PM (#4125845)

What bothers me isn't that we can't pitch is the fear that we will finish this game with the four runs we have.

Say it agaiN!

36. Dan Posted: May 07, 2012 at 08:58 PM (#4125847)

Another terrible AB from Gonzo after a walk.

37. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: May 07, 2012 at 08:59 PM (#4125849)

Gonzalez is showing symptoms Carl Crawford Syndrome, where he seems to have forgotten everything he used to know about hitting.

38. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: May 07, 2012 at 08:59 PM (#4125851)

I don't think Gonzo had a bad at bat, he got a good pitch to hit he just missed it.

39. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: May 07, 2012 at 09:00 PM (#4125852)

In my head, Jonathan Sanchez was a big, slightly overweight dude. How did I get that idea?

40. Dan Posted: May 07, 2012 at 09:02 PM (#4125853)

In my head, Jonathan Sanchez was a big, slightly overweight dude. How did I get that idea?

By never watching NL baseball, I'd assume.

41. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: May 07, 2012 at 09:03 PM (#4125854)

In my head, Jonathan Sanchez was a big, slightly overweight dude. How did I get that idea?

Tequila?

42. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: May 07, 2012 at 09:05 PM (#4125855)

It's spelled L-I-N-A-R-E-S

43. Dan Posted: May 07, 2012 at 09:07 PM (#4125858)

I don't see how Linares could possibly be worse than Byrd with the glove or bat. And he has the possibility of being far better.

44. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: May 07, 2012 at 09:08 PM (#4125859)

Wow, that guy is fast.

45. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: May 07, 2012 at 09:08 PM (#4125860)

That's a hell of a play by Pedroia for no benefit.

46. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: May 07, 2012 at 09:09 PM (#4125861)

Well. ....well.

47. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: May 07, 2012 at 09:09 PM (#4125862)

Jesus. Is this what watching this team is like? Maybe I should go back to being super busy at night again.

48. Dan Posted: May 07, 2012 at 09:09 PM (#4125863)

Ross wasn't even in the picture to backup that throw up the line.

49. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: May 07, 2012 at 09:11 PM (#4125865)

I don't see how Linares could possibly be worse than Byrd with the glove or bat.

Byrd still projects as only a somewhat below average hitter, and it's really easy for a guy with no meaningful experience above A-ball to be a lot worse than that.

50. Dan Posted: May 07, 2012 at 09:13 PM (#4125867)

This team really punishes you for daring to feel good about anything they do.

51. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: May 07, 2012 at 09:14 PM (#4125869)

Credit to Doubront for continuing to throw strikes while getting no support behind him.

52. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: May 07, 2012 at 09:14 PM (#4125871)

This is just a #### show.

53. Phil Coorey. Posted: May 07, 2012 at 09:15 PM (#4125873)

This team really punishes you for daring to feel good about anything they do.

That's an understatement

54. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: May 07, 2012 at 09:16 PM (#4125874)

Morning Phill how early is too early to start drinking in Oz?

55. Dan Posted: May 07, 2012 at 09:17 PM (#4125876)

Byrd still projects as only a somewhat below average hitter, and it's really easy for a guy with no meaningful experience above A-ball to be a lot worse than that.

Yeah but watching him he doesn't look like the same guy he was before Aceves beaned him in the face, and I think that's significant data the projection doesn't take into account.

56. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: May 07, 2012 at 09:17 PM (#4125877)

Kelly Shoppach stand-up triple. Has that ever happened?

57. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: May 07, 2012 at 09:17 PM (#4125878)

Credit to Shoppach for running hard the whole way. Hope Middlebrooks was watching.

58. Dan Posted: May 07, 2012 at 09:18 PM (#4125879)

Credit to Doubront for continuing to throw strikes while getting no support behind him.

Only 24 of his 45 pitches have been strikes...

59. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: May 07, 2012 at 09:18 PM (#4125880)

No! First career triple!

60. Dan Posted: May 07, 2012 at 09:18 PM (#4125882)

Gonzalez hugs Shoppach after the triple. Slow congratulating slower.

61. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: May 07, 2012 at 09:18 PM (#4125883)

Shoppach's last triple was with the Portland Seadogs in 2003.

62. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: May 07, 2012 at 09:19 PM (#4125884)

Only 24 of his 45 pitches have been strikes...

It could've gotten worse?

63. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: May 07, 2012 at 09:19 PM (#4125885)

Your 2012 Red Sox;

SB
Shoppach - 1
Ellsbury - 0

3B
Shoppach - 1
Ellsbury - 0

64. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: May 07, 2012 at 09:21 PM (#4125886)

Only 45 pitches is a good sign.

65. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: May 07, 2012 at 09:22 PM (#4125887)

The ball is shooting out that way tonight.

66. Dan Posted: May 07, 2012 at 09:23 PM (#4125888)

I still think Pedroia will hit 30 homers this year.

67. Jim Wisinski

Posted: May 07, 2012 at 09:23 PM (#4125890)

In my head, Jonathan Sanchez was a big, slightly overweight dude. How did I get that idea?

I thought the same thing, I think we both got him confused with Jonathan Broxton

68. Dan Posted: May 07, 2012 at 09:29 PM (#4125897)

Jim, any idea why Zobrist didn't play yesterday or even pinch hit?

69. Dan Posted: May 07, 2012 at 09:30 PM (#4125898)

Gonzalez with another piss poor AB. Dude needs a day or three off.

70. The Mohole* of David Wells (* - Piehole)

Posted: May 07, 2012 at 09:32 PM (#4125901)

What's going on? Walked away but inning appears not to be over and it's in commercial break on mlb.tv? Coaching visit to mound? Are they lifting Doubront?

71. The Mohole* of David Wells (* - Piehole)

Posted: May 07, 2012 at 09:34 PM (#4125903)

Oh, sorry. Had the wrong inning summary on. Phew.

72. Jim Wisinski

Posted: May 07, 2012 at 09:41 PM (#4125907)

Jim, any idea why Zobrist didn't play yesterday or even pinch hit?

Just a scheduled day off to my knowledge, Maddon likes to do them before an off day when possible so it's two full days of rest. I assume he would have pinch-hit if the game had been close late.

73. Dan Posted: May 07, 2012 at 09:44 PM (#4125911)

I guess I was just surprised that he didn't come in when Jennings left due to the injury, especially against the LHP.

74. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: May 07, 2012 at 09:44 PM (#4125912)

So I'm just going to assume that Byrd missed a hit and run because it fits my narrative.

75. dirk

Posted: May 07, 2012 at 09:48 PM (#4125918)

it was on a pitchout, so it would have been tough to poke one behind the runner

76. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: May 07, 2012 at 09:49 PM (#4125919)

Throw the bat a it, Juan Carlos Linares would have!

77. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: May 07, 2012 at 10:02 PM (#4125931)

Eck back pedaling away from Canseco as fast as possible.

78. Dan Posted: May 07, 2012 at 10:03 PM (#4125933)

Way to be, Ross.

79. Dan Posted: May 07, 2012 at 10:04 PM (#4125936)

Papelbon just gave up the first career hit to someone named Jordany Valdespin as a 3 run home run in the top of the 9th in Philly in a tie game.

80. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: May 07, 2012 at 10:04 PM (#4125937)

I is just not possible to feel good about a baseball game with this team.

81. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: May 07, 2012 at 10:06 PM (#4125939)

Charlie Manuel has to know not to use his closer in a tie game.

82. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: May 07, 2012 at 10:07 PM (#4125940)

Including that one I think the check swing calls have favored us tonight.

83. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: May 07, 2012 at 10:11 PM (#4125946)

Well it's a two hit night but I don't think we can say its a slump buster.

84. Dan Posted: May 07, 2012 at 10:13 PM (#4125947)

A jammed bloop single and a seeing eye grounder don't really inspire confidence that he's turned anything around.

85. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: May 07, 2012 at 10:13 PM (#4125948)

I do love watching the ball of his bat.

86. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: May 07, 2012 at 10:14 PM (#4125949)

By the way was I imagining thins or did Doubront give a little fist pump like a guy who thought he was done after the sixth?

87. Dan Posted: May 07, 2012 at 10:17 PM (#4125954)

Probably just excited to have a clean inning.

88. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: May 07, 2012 at 10:17 PM (#4125955)

MARLON BYRD IS SO USEFUL

89. Dan Posted: May 07, 2012 at 10:18 PM (#4125956)

Just awesome ABs by McDonald and Byrd. What losers.

90. Phil Coorey. Posted: May 07, 2012 at 10:18 PM (#4125957)

I really ####### hate Marlon Byrd

91. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: May 07, 2012 at 10:18 PM (#4125958)

We are ######. This game is over.

92. Dan Posted: May 07, 2012 at 10:20 PM (#4125962)

Why the hell didn't BV PH Sweeney for DMac or Byrd there, BTW? I thought we were getting an aggressive manager, but he's just sitting on his ass letting platoon players flail away against their weak side.

93. Dan Posted: May 07, 2012 at 10:23 PM (#4125963)

The Sox are winning, but they're 3-11 with RISP and have left 8 men on base in 7 innings.

94. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: May 07, 2012 at 10:27 PM (#4125966)

Velocity is not the sign of fatigue, diminished command is.

95. Phil Coorey. Posted: May 07, 2012 at 10:27 PM (#4125968)

Tying run to the plate due to an inability to drive in runs earlier - ####### hell

96. Dan Posted: May 07, 2012 at 10:27 PM (#4125969)

They're going to lose this game.

97. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: May 07, 2012 at 10:28 PM (#4125970)

Miller up then he sits and Morales gets up? Is Bobby just winging it?

98. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: May 07, 2012 at 10:29 PM (#4125971)

GET HIM NOW

99. Phil Coorey. Posted: May 07, 2012 at 10:29 PM (#4125972)

Morning Phill how early is too early to start drinking in Oz?

10 am - the time this crap game started - my god this is a joke

100. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: May 07, 2012 at 10:29 PM (#4125973)

Wow

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