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RedSox (17-19) @ Rays (23-14), Wednesday, May 16, 2012, 7:10pm

BOS:Clay Buchholz (27, RHP, 4-1, 8.31)
TBR:Jeremy Hellickson (25, RHP, 3-0, 2.95)

The Primer Chimp Posted: May 16, 2012 at 10:00 AM | 159 comment(s)
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1. Dan Posted: May 16, 2012 at 07:21 PM (#4133352)

Oh, Adrian...

2. Dan Posted: May 16, 2012 at 07:27 PM (#4133354)

Seemed like a bit of a generous call to K Middlebrooks there.

3. Phil Coorey. Posted: May 16, 2012 at 07:28 PM (#4133355)

Seemed like a bit of a generous call to K Middlebrooks there.

Watching it on my iphone in a cafe - lets just say I wasn't happy...

4. Mattbert Posted: May 16, 2012 at 07:28 PM (#4133356)

Great line from someone in the MLB Network studio: "There are broken down lefthanders all over this land lining up to pitch to that strike zone tonight."

5. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: May 16, 2012 at 07:30 PM (#4133357)

Buchholz's fastball looks pretty blah so far.

6. Dan Posted: May 16, 2012 at 07:31 PM (#4133359)

Buchholz's first 1-2-3 first inning all year? If not , it sure seems that way.

7. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: May 16, 2012 at 07:33 PM (#4133362)

So apparently tonight belt-high is a ball, but three inches off the outside is a strike.

8. Dan Posted: May 16, 2012 at 07:44 PM (#4133370)

Peña bought that hit with his past bunts. With Middlebrooks playing in a location to be able to defend the bunt, they had Aviles a bit farther left than a standard shift, and the ball went between Aviles and Pedroia.

9. Dan Posted: May 16, 2012 at 07:46 PM (#4133373)

1-2 count, hits batter. Too cool for strikeouts.

10. Dan Posted: May 16, 2012 at 07:51 PM (#4133379)

I'd like to see a replay on the call at first there.

11. Dan Posted: May 16, 2012 at 07:51 PM (#4133381)

Good call. He was out.

12. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: May 16, 2012 at 07:52 PM (#4133382)

Sox are going to need a lot of offense and a lot of luck to win. DiceK would be better, even if he's not fully healthy.

13. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: May 16, 2012 at 07:53 PM (#4133383)

To be fair, though, that cutter actually looks like a damn good pitch.

14. Dan Posted: May 16, 2012 at 07:54 PM (#4133384)

Where the #### did that miss?

15. ellsbury my heart at wounded knee Posted: May 16, 2012 at 07:54 PM (#4133385)

Clay's nibbling does remind of Dice-K, though.

16. Mattbert Posted: May 16, 2012 at 07:55 PM (#4133387)

2-2 to Rhymes was a strike.

And what the hell was that? Bawkward!

17. ellsbury my heart at wounded knee Posted: May 16, 2012 at 07:55 PM (#4133388)

Come on, dude.

18. Dan Posted: May 16, 2012 at 07:56 PM (#4133391)

So now the missed call means Clay goes on tilt. Still has no emotional maturity.

19. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: May 16, 2012 at 07:56 PM (#4133392)

Buchholz is the proverbial million dollar arm, ten cent head. Don't think, just throw.

20. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: May 16, 2012 at 07:57 PM (#4133393)

Two more starts for Daisuke in the minors, right?

21. Chip Posted: May 16, 2012 at 07:59 PM (#4133395)

What are the velocity reports on Dice-K?

22. ellsbury my heart at wounded knee Posted: May 16, 2012 at 08:00 PM (#4133396)

Two more starts for Daisuke in the minors, right?

I think so. Although they could extend his time there.

23. Dan Posted: May 16, 2012 at 08:02 PM (#4133397)

Wow. Toronto hung a 5 spot on Kuroda in the 3rd inning. 5-0 TOR.

24. Dan Posted: May 16, 2012 at 08:04 PM (#4133399)

Oh. I guess they scored 2 in the 2nd inning and 3 in the 3rd.

25. Chip Posted: May 16, 2012 at 08:07 PM (#4133402)

Squander!

26. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: May 16, 2012 at 08:10 PM (#4133405)

Let that roll and it goes foul.

27. Dan Posted: May 16, 2012 at 08:10 PM (#4133406)

Let's see the Red Sox hit more line drives right at outfielders.

28. Mattbert Posted: May 16, 2012 at 08:11 PM (#4133408)

Young William should have let that roll foul.

29. Dan Posted: May 16, 2012 at 08:12 PM (#4133410)

Middlebrooks has been pretty disappointing on defense after the stuff all the minors guys said about his glove.

30. Dan Posted: May 16, 2012 at 08:14 PM (#4133412)

Good changeup, though the location wasn't great.

31. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: May 16, 2012 at 08:16 PM (#4133414)

I think the tools have looked good but he's looked a bit uncertain. The throw in KC was rushed, he had another play where he booted one after backing up on it, this one here he should have known to let roll andhe let one fall in the camera well the other day that he could have had.

It seems that he is fine on the routine plays, it is just a matter of understanding the speed of runners and tht sort of thing. As long as the early mistakes don't get in his head I think we will see the defender we have been told about eventually.

32. Dan Posted: May 16, 2012 at 08:18 PM (#4133418)

That assessment seems about right. I was just expecting someone more polished defensively from reading the scouting reports.

33. Dan Posted: May 16, 2012 at 08:20 PM (#4133420)

Where did "ball 2" to Joyce miss?

34. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: May 16, 2012 at 08:20 PM (#4133421)

Joyce was overmatched that entire t bat.

35. Dan Posted: May 16, 2012 at 08:25 PM (#4133425)

Gonzalez has really showed off the not to the warning track power this year.

36. Mattbert Posted: May 16, 2012 at 08:29 PM (#4133426)

I dub thee Gonzolerud.

37. Dan Posted: May 16, 2012 at 08:30 PM (#4133427)

Nava missed his pitch on the 1-1 there.

38. Chip Posted: May 16, 2012 at 08:31 PM (#4133428)

Daniel Nava, Well-Placed Hitting Machine.

39. ellsbury my heart at wounded knee Posted: May 16, 2012 at 08:31 PM (#4133429)

Nava!

40. Dan Posted: May 16, 2012 at 08:31 PM (#4133431)

BABIP luck!!

41. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: May 16, 2012 at 08:34 PM (#4133433)

That guy will probably want to adjust the story of how he got that baseball. It's not as bad as the guy taking one in the nuts but it wasn't very impressive.

42. Dan Posted: May 16, 2012 at 08:36 PM (#4133435)

At least they're driving up his ptich count, but that ball was at Aviles' ankles.

43. Chip Posted: May 16, 2012 at 08:37 PM (#4133436)

Bautista homers. 3 HRs allowed in 4+ IP so far for Kuroda, 7-0 Jays.

44. Dan Posted: May 16, 2012 at 08:40 PM (#4133437)

Kuroda had been lucky as #### to have a mid 3s ERA with how many baserunners he was allowing before today anyway.

45. Darren

Posted: May 16, 2012 at 08:41 PM (#4133438)

You guys are wishing for Dice K--it's like me asking for Francona or Curt Schilling asking for a government bailout!

46. Chip Posted: May 16, 2012 at 08:43 PM (#4133440)

Kuroda has hastened the reversion to mean tonight by allowing 7 of the 9 to reach base to score.

47. ellsbury my heart at wounded knee Posted: May 16, 2012 at 08:45 PM (#4133442)

Middlebrooks not having his best defensive game tonight.

48. Dan Posted: May 16, 2012 at 08:45 PM (#4133443)

Middlebrooks...

49. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: May 16, 2012 at 08:46 PM (#4133444)

I don't think he has a play even if he gets it cleanly but it would have been nice to see him have the chance. I think he closed his glove before the ball got to him.

50. Dan Posted: May 16, 2012 at 08:50 PM (#4133447)

That might've been Buchholz's best curveball all year. His fastball, curve, and change have all looked good at times tonight. Not consistently, but he's had flashes. And the cutter for the K!

51. Chip Posted: May 16, 2012 at 08:53 PM (#4133452)

Don't know what Molina was complaining about on that cutter. More of a strike than a lot that have been called tonight.

52. ellsbury my heart at wounded knee Posted: May 16, 2012 at 09:00 PM (#4133459)

Whoa, a 3-pitch strikeout? Do my eyes deceive me?

53. Chip Posted: May 16, 2012 at 09:00 PM (#4133462)

Clay Buchholz striking people out? Be still my heart.

54. ellsbury my heart at wounded knee Posted: May 16, 2012 at 09:01 PM (#4133464)

This last few pitches is the best I've seen Buchholz pitch all season.

55. Dan Posted: May 16, 2012 at 09:01 PM (#4133465)

Buchholz is pitching great now.

56. Mattbert Posted: May 16, 2012 at 09:04 PM (#4133466)

Jeez, his stuff looks filthy right now. Just disgusting.

57. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: May 16, 2012 at 09:07 PM (#4133469)

Youk at Pawtucket 1-2 with a double, a walk and a run scored. Out of the game now.

58. ellsbury my heart at wounded knee Posted: May 16, 2012 at 09:07 PM (#4133470)

Sadly, Hellickson's looking pretty good too.

59. Dan Posted: May 16, 2012 at 09:09 PM (#4133472)

Salty reaching might at least mean Hellickson will get over 100 pitches here and be done after this inning.

60. Dan Posted: May 16, 2012 at 09:13 PM (#4133476)

That mgiht be it for Hellickson.

61. ellsbury my heart at wounded knee Posted: May 16, 2012 at 09:15 PM (#4133477)

I thought the DIPS gods were supposed to come down and smite Hellickson this year. He actually looked pretty decent.

62. ellsbury my heart at wounded knee Posted: May 16, 2012 at 09:16 PM (#4133480)

uh-oh. Was that Clay checking out a blister?

63. Chip Posted: May 16, 2012 at 09:20 PM (#4133485)

Valentine with the quick hook.

64. ellsbury my heart at wounded knee Posted: May 16, 2012 at 09:21 PM (#4133486)

Surprising.

65. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: May 16, 2012 at 09:22 PM (#4133487)

Better this than waiting for Buchholz to throw it away.

66. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: May 16, 2012 at 09:23 PM (#4133490)

That cutter could be a game-changer for Buchholz. It reminds me a lot of Lester's - I wonder if he learned it from Lester?

67. Chip Posted: May 16, 2012 at 09:23 PM (#4133491)

Throw. Strikes.

68. ellsbury my heart at wounded knee Posted: May 16, 2012 at 09:23 PM (#4133492)

Totally. This is a depleted lineup with Longoria and Jennings out, but it was nice to see some flashes of good Buchholz.

69. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: May 16, 2012 at 09:24 PM (#4133493)

Ugh. Stupid dome.

70. Chip Posted: May 16, 2012 at 09:24 PM (#4133494)

Ross absolutely butchered that.

71. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: May 16, 2012 at 09:24 PM (#4133495)

####### Christ, what the hell happened there.

72. Dan Posted: May 16, 2012 at 09:24 PM (#4133496)

Cody Ross is a ####### disaster on defense.

73. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: May 16, 2012 at 09:24 PM (#4133497)

The dome happened there.

74. Chip Posted: May 16, 2012 at 09:25 PM (#4133498)

A balk and a dome ball for two runs.

75. ellsbury my heart at wounded knee Posted: May 16, 2012 at 09:25 PM (#4133499)

I don't know if Ross has him if he's better positioned, but he really looks bad out there.

76. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: May 16, 2012 at 09:26 PM (#4133500)

If Ross makes the catch in stride, Joyce doesn't even try.

It's hard for me to blame that on the fielder - losing the ball in the roof just sort of randomly happens.

77. Dan Posted: May 16, 2012 at 09:26 PM (#4133501)

Re: 75, They weren't even going to send him until Ross overran the ball.

78. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: May 16, 2012 at 09:28 PM (#4133502)

Watching the replay I think MCoA and Chip are right, the dome caused the problems for Ross.

79. Chip Posted: May 16, 2012 at 09:28 PM (#4133503)

I thought he butchered it initially, but the replay showed Mikael was right - he lost it in the fabric.

80. ellsbury my heart at wounded knee Posted: May 16, 2012 at 09:29 PM (#4133504)

Re: 75, They weren't even going to send him until Ross overran the ball.

No? Well shoot. Rays' field does seem to have more than its share of difficult fly balls.

81. Dan Posted: May 16, 2012 at 09:29 PM (#4133505)

That may have been the worst swing I have ever seen.

82. Chip Posted: May 16, 2012 at 09:30 PM (#4133506)

(And I've been to a handful of games there now - that place is a ####### nightmare. I don't know how anyone fields anything successfully that gets in the air.

83. Chip Posted: May 16, 2012 at 09:31 PM (#4133507)

Walking Jose Molina is a crime against humanity.

84. Chip Posted: May 16, 2012 at 09:34 PM (#4133512)

Man, looked like Miller got a gift on the 3-2.

85. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: May 16, 2012 at 09:34 PM (#4133513)

Might have been a generous call there but I'll take it.

86. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: May 16, 2012 at 09:34 PM (#4133514)

Andrew Miller walking no one in five innings was just screaming for regression. He scares me out there...

Hey, a perfect pitch. He's great.

87. Dan Posted: May 16, 2012 at 09:35 PM (#4133516)

That could've been far worse.

88. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: May 16, 2012 at 09:36 PM (#4133517)

Celtics took care of business tonight.

89. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: May 16, 2012 at 09:36 PM (#4133519)

That may have been the worst swing I have ever seen.

Did you see the Barry Zito 11-pitch at bat .gif collection?

90. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: May 16, 2012 at 09:37 PM (#4133520)

Celtics took care of business tonight.

KG has been all kinds of great.

91. Dan Posted: May 16, 2012 at 09:38 PM (#4133522)

Swings by pitchers don't count. Might as well talk about how bad the kid in little league looked against a curveball.

92. Dan Posted: May 16, 2012 at 09:40 PM (#4133525)

Please PH for Sweeney...

93. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: May 16, 2012 at 09:40 PM (#4133526)

Mauro Gomez is up? Wha' happened?

94. Phil Coorey. Posted: May 16, 2012 at 09:41 PM (#4133530)

Celtics were sensational tonight - double play - ugh

95. Dan Posted: May 16, 2012 at 09:41 PM (#4133531)

He's been up for at least 3 or 4 games.

96. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: May 16, 2012 at 09:41 PM (#4133532)

("Up" as in on the roster - who went down?)

And that was quick. Eh, still the right call.

97. Dan Posted: May 16, 2012 at 09:42 PM (#4133533)

First pitch GIDP. Good god.

98. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: May 16, 2012 at 09:42 PM (#4133535)

He's been up for at least 3 or 4 games.

Huh.

99. Mattbert Posted: May 16, 2012 at 09:43 PM (#4133536)

Barry Zito is a golden god.

100. Darren

Posted: May 16, 2012 at 09:43 PM (#4133539)

That was not good hitting. Get Linares!

Are the Rays really this brilliant or have they been very lucky in having every one of their call ups and acquisition turn into stars? And is their positioning really this good or are they blah blah blah.

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