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   1. SM in DC Posted: September 06, 2005 at 02:25 PM (#1599761)
If we had a manager who was not asleep at the switch, the Yankees would run the following lineup out there against Awesome Casey Fossum..

2 Jeter, D. 6
55 Matsui, H. 7
11 Sheffield, G. 9
25 Giambi, J. 3
13 Rodriguez, A. 5
51 Williams, B. 8
20 Posada, J. 2
14 Phillips, A. DH
26 Bellhorn, M. 4
   2. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: September 06, 2005 at 02:56 PM (#1599834)
But that line-up has Bernie in center field.
   3. villainx Posted: September 06, 2005 at 03:13 PM (#1599858)
The Tampa series is more important than the series this weekend. The Yankees have to do some damage here and gain ground or keep pace.

That said, Boston is proving remarkably resilient, and have been wearing the division lead crown so far with much flair, - matching wins and all. It makes this last month really interesting.
   4. SM in DC Posted: September 06, 2005 at 03:15 PM (#1599863)
But that line-up has Bernie in center field.

Bernie in CF + RHB > Lawton in RF + LHB
   5. SM in DC Posted: September 06, 2005 at 04:22 PM (#1599999)
Yanks agressively promoted Tyler Clippard to AAA yesterday.

In one inning of work.. Clippard struck out two and induced a bounce out to the shortstop.

Clippard wound up leading the FSL league in strikeouts with 169.
   6. The Original SJ Posted: September 06, 2005 at 05:00 PM (#1600078)
ISn't Tyler Clippard 40 years old?
   7. SM in DC Posted: September 06, 2005 at 05:04 PM (#1600087)
Clippard was born on Valentine's Day, 1985... making him 20.
   8. SG Posted: September 06, 2005 at 05:09 PM (#1600094)
I think SJ is thinking of Matt DeSalvo, who's around 25.

I like Clippard quite a bit. He doesn't blow scouts away but his statistics profile pretty well.
   9. SM in DC Posted: September 06, 2005 at 06:14 PM (#1600207)
DeSalvo is in Trenton this year SG and SJ.

Finished the year 9-5 with a 3.02 ERA and 151/67 K/BB ratio.

DeSalvo signed as a minor league free agent out of DIII Marietta College in Ohio after setting NCAA all-division records for wins (53) and strikeouts (603).
   10. villageidiom Posted: September 06, 2005 at 10:22 PM (#1600746)
As mentioned in the Red Sox Game Chatter, I have the Red Sox and the Yankees entering their season-ending series with 92 wins each.

The Red Sox prediction I'd made back in mid-June, series-by-series, and they've stayed pretty much in line with the prediction the whole way. I used the same methodology on the Yanks from here on out.

That methodology assumes the Yankees are a very good team, and would do the following:

3-0 vs. Tampa
2-1 vs. Boston
2-1 at Tampa
1-2 at Toronto
3-1 vs. Baltimore
2-1 vs. Toronto
2-2 at Baltimore
1-2 at Boston

16-10 overall
15-8 through 9/29

FWIW, using the Yankees' 2005 win % vs. each team to project forward, they'd instead be at 11-12 through 9/29, four games out with three to play. The bottom line is that, for once, they must consistently perform at the level of a playoff-caliber team, a level higher than how they've played these teams to date. There is little margin for error.

I think rexracer is right. They'll likely split the 6 with the Sox; the deficit must be made up with their performance in series like this. A good team at home would sweep Tampa.
   11. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: September 06, 2005 at 10:23 PM (#1600749)
It's that 5-1 aganist Tampa which I fear will bear no resemblance to reality.
   12. villainx Posted: September 06, 2005 at 10:31 PM (#1600774)
After tonight, hopefully the 1 part of the 5-1 won't be a reality.
   13. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: September 06, 2005 at 10:36 PM (#1600786)
Dammit, no Bellhorn. I don't care about this game anymore.
   14. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: September 06, 2005 at 10:44 PM (#1600805)
Why is Cano playing aganist a lefty? Why? Why?
   15. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: September 06, 2005 at 11:13 PM (#1600874)
Is this game starting so late for a reason?
   16. Captain Supporter Posted: September 06, 2005 at 11:17 PM (#1600889)
Chien Ming Wang will be pitching on Thursday. Let me first guess this decision by saying that I believe Joe Torre is making the correct decision.
   17. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: September 06, 2005 at 11:20 PM (#1600896)
Who's spot in the rotation is that? Is it Leiter's? Because if so, puttng me in there is the right decision
   18. villainx Posted: September 06, 2005 at 11:22 PM (#1600902)
Was Wang's minor league start that promising?
   19. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: September 06, 2005 at 11:26 PM (#1600915)
Was Wang’s minor league start that promising?

Compared to the alternative yes
   20. Captain Supporter Posted: September 06, 2005 at 11:27 PM (#1600917)
Yes, it is Leiter. Wang's monor league start had mixed results, but he threw hard, and had no pain. Even if it takes him a start or two to adjust, he is an upgrade over Leiter.
   21. SG Posted: September 06, 2005 at 11:30 PM (#1600924)
Was Wang’s minor league start that promising?

He's made two starts. The results weren't bad, but weren't great either. Something like 7 innings, 14 hits, and 4 runs. He was throwing in the low 90s, up to 94, so they must feel that he's got enough back to help.

I agree that Torre is making the correct decision. What makes far less sense was Torre's comment that Proctor would be his "7th inning guy when Sturtze is not available." What does Felix Rodriguez have to do to get a chance?
   22. SG Posted: September 06, 2005 at 11:32 PM (#1600931)
Nice AB by Jeter there, taking the first five pitches. Fossum's stamina is suspect, they can wear him out early.
   23. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: September 06, 2005 at 11:33 PM (#1600937)
Was there some sort of botched double-steal? What happened?
   24. Jim Wisinski Posted: September 06, 2005 at 11:34 PM (#1600944)
It wasn't botched, Matsui is just slow.
   25. Captain Supporter Posted: September 06, 2005 at 11:35 PM (#1600945)
Felix has to demonstrate that he can throw strikes. Of course, so does Procter. They are actually very similar pitchers. Both throw very hard, very straight fastballs, and neither can be relied on to not to walk a batter in a big spot. There is no particular reason to favor one over the other.
   26. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: September 06, 2005 at 11:35 PM (#1600948)
Ah, Gameday finally caught up, nevermind
   27. SG Posted: September 06, 2005 at 11:35 PM (#1600950)
Why the hell does Torre not value his outs? Why do you hit and run when the first two runners have reached and the runner on first can't ####### steal?

RB, it was a hit and run I think that went horribly wrong. Just like the last 20 that Torre has called.
   28. SG Posted: September 06, 2005 at 11:37 PM (#1600959)
There is no particular reason to favor one over the other.

Sure there is. One has a pretty long track record of success in the majors, and one doesn't. I also think if Rodriguez got more frequent work, his control would be better. It's pretty hard to maintain consistent mechanics when you don't get regular work, and then when you do you are on a one baserunner leash.
   29. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: September 06, 2005 at 11:40 PM (#1600965)
Well, it was nice of Tampa Bay to make a fielding error to even out the Yankees mangerial error
   30. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: September 06, 2005 at 11:41 PM (#1600977)
Well, if Fossum's stamina really is questionable, 31 pitches in the first should help
   31. SG Posted: September 06, 2005 at 11:42 PM (#1600979)
Tampa better be as gracious during this series as they were to Boston last week.
   32. Captain Supporter Posted: September 06, 2005 at 11:46 PM (#1600992)
Rodriquez has given up 26 hits and 16 walks in 42 innings this year. Not the record of someone you want to give a crucial role. Proctor is a bit better (28 hits and 13 walks in 32 innings). And you could make the same argument about proctor's control if he was used more.

Still I would not argue with Torre if he promoted FRod. Its close
   33. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: September 06, 2005 at 11:49 PM (#1601009)
Well, if you take out Proctor's start, he has 25 hits and 13 walks in 27 innings. So in relief:

F-Rod: 5.5 H/9, 3.4 BB/9
Proctor: 8.3 H/9, 4.3 BB/9

I know who I want
   34. Sean Posted: September 06, 2005 at 11:50 PM (#1601013)
SG, I agree with you that F-Rodriguez is getting screwed by Torre. However, pure speculation on my part, he might have done something to annoy the organization in how he get injured and how he recovered. Since normally, to support his major ally Cashman, Joe tend to embrace new relievers obtained by the front office while bury guys from the Minors.
   35. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: September 06, 2005 at 11:58 PM (#1601043)
Keep those runs coming boys, crush them down into powder!
   36. villainx Posted: September 06, 2005 at 11:58 PM (#1601044)
Yay Cano, Yay Jeter!
   37. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: September 06, 2005 at 11:59 PM (#1601045)
Jeter is having a very good, if somewhat singleriffic, year.
   38. SG Posted: September 07, 2005 at 12:01 AM (#1601056)
Rodriquez has given up 26 hits and 16 walks in 42 innings this year.

It's short-sighted to look at one year's data and ignore previous data. Otherwise, you end up with Tanyon Sturtze as your third best reliever.

I'm enjoying the start of this game immensely.
   39. Captain Supporter Posted: September 07, 2005 at 12:01 AM (#1601058)
Well, if those stats were correct, I'd agree with you. Unfortunately, FRod has 8.9 H/9 not 5.5. And he is 33 and perhaps on the downside. Procter has upside.

Sean could be correct about FRod annoying management. Torre has been conspicuous in his silence about him.

<this is my last post on this topic>
   40. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: September 07, 2005 at 12:02 AM (#1601066)
Cook us up somethin' nice Sheff.
   41. villainx Posted: September 07, 2005 at 12:02 AM (#1601067)
Captain and Proctor Supporter!
   42. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: September 07, 2005 at 12:03 AM (#1601074)
What's the usual Jeter UZR? -15 for the season? Or about a run below for every ten games played? So far that would be -13, and his positive VORP is 58.5, so let's say 45.5 for the season. Giving everyone else a 0 defensively (which isn't right, I know) that would still put Jeter at #5 in SS VORP
   43. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: September 07, 2005 at 12:04 AM (#1601078)
Captain Harris supporter?
   44. rLr Is King Of The Romans And Above Grammar Posted: September 07, 2005 at 12:05 AM (#1601080)
Jeter is having a very good, if somewhat singleriffic, year.

Jeter is actually having a year almost exactly in line with his career average. Including homer-wise.
   45. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: September 07, 2005 at 12:06 AM (#1601087)
How did A-Rod K twice against Casey ####### Fossum?
   46. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: September 07, 2005 at 12:07 AM (#1601091)
Well, if those stats were correct, I’d agree with you. Unfortunately, FRod has 8.9 H/9 not 5.5. And he is 33 and perhaps on the downside. Procter has upside.

You're right, but of course, I was relying on the numbers you put in #32, so you'll have to forgive me
   47. rLr Is King Of The Romans And Above Grammar Posted: September 07, 2005 at 12:08 AM (#1601094)
Alex, you are embarrassing yourself today.
   48. villainx Posted: September 07, 2005 at 12:08 AM (#1601098)
Jeter at #5 in SS VORP

Is that good or bad when neither Alex and Nomar counts to SS?
   49. SG Posted: September 07, 2005 at 12:09 AM (#1601101)
How did A-Rod K twice against Casey #### Fossum?

Um, Casey Fossum is the next Steve Carlton. I know because some Red Sox fans told me so many years ago, and they are never wrong.
   50. rLr Is King Of The Romans And Above Grammar Posted: September 07, 2005 at 12:09 AM (#1601103)
Fossum weighs less than I do. I suspect there are very few major leaguers who weigh less than me.
   51. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: September 07, 2005 at 12:09 AM (#1601104)
####, Nick Green is up. Batten down the hatches.

Nick Green always sticks out to me as the guy who ruined Pavano's last chance at a good start.
   52. Captain Supporter Posted: September 07, 2005 at 12:11 AM (#1601111)
Range factors are notoriously inaccurate. I remember listening to Red Sox fans talking about Nomar's statistically superior range over Jeter. His range is not great, but it certainly does not cost them a run every ten days in comparison to the average shortstop. Plus he is the best in the league on pop flys, is great on relays, etc. He is a better than average defensive shortstop, as his peers clearly realize.
   53. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: September 07, 2005 at 12:12 AM (#1601119)
hit a guy on an 0-2 count. ####### brilliant asshat.
   54. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: September 07, 2005 at 12:12 AM (#1601121)
That's not strict range factor, that Ulitmate Zone Rating, as provided by our very own MGL. It's a play-by-play metric
   55. rLr Is King Of The Romans And Above Grammar Posted: September 07, 2005 at 12:13 AM (#1601128)
Get it together you big, ugly, gangly pituitary freak.
   56. SG Posted: September 07, 2005 at 12:14 AM (#1601131)
Who brought up range factor? Zone Rating and UZR are not bad stats, although all defensive stats need to be taken with a grain of salt. I think the Yankees position their defenders in a way that hinders Jeter statistically, but I still wouldn't describe him as better than the average shortstop. And his peers also voted for Shea Hillenbrand as an All Star, does that mean he was a good choice?
   57. rLr Is King Of The Romans And Above Grammar Posted: September 07, 2005 at 12:15 AM (#1601133)
Cantu homer right here.
   58. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: September 07, 2005 at 12:15 AM (#1601136)
Randy Johnson is a big fraud who poops his pants.
   59. villainx Posted: September 07, 2005 at 12:15 AM (#1601137)
This inning is inching dangerously close to an Eduardo at bat.
   60. rLr Is King Of The Romans And Above Grammar Posted: September 07, 2005 at 12:17 AM (#1601148)
You live to fight another day, you ugly loser.
   61. SG Posted: September 07, 2005 at 12:17 AM (#1601149)
Go Randy. You can tell he's not comfortable with an ERA under 4.
   62. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: September 07, 2005 at 12:18 AM (#1601152)
By the way, I wasn't necessarily suggesting Jeter is that bad, just worth noting that for SS, even if you look at the worst case scenario for his defense, he's still a premium player
   63. Captain Supporter Posted: September 07, 2005 at 12:18 AM (#1601156)
I don't think its positioning as much as the fact that the Yankees have mostly had fly ball pitchers through most of the Jeter era. And Zone Ratings are a derivative of Bill Jame's range factors.

Re: Shea - No it does not mean he was a good choice, but it also doesn't mean he is below average.
   64. villainx Posted: September 07, 2005 at 12:19 AM (#1601157)
Yay Johnson! I knew you could get out of it, sort of.
   65. SG Posted: September 07, 2005 at 12:21 AM (#1601168)
And Zone Ratings are a derivative of Bill Jame’s range factors.

No, they're not. They take the number of balls hit into a players' zone, and figure out how many plays he makes on those balls compared to other players. The types of pitchers on the team would not have any impact on either ZR or UZR.

Re: Shea - No it does not mean he was a good choice, but it also doesn’t mean he is below average.

Is he an All Star?
   66. Captain Supporter Posted: September 07, 2005 at 12:21 AM (#1601172)
To RB in DC - Lugo's play was above the major league average. And while I'm a Captain Supporter, I don't think he would make that play.
   67. rLr Is King Of The Romans And Above Grammar Posted: September 07, 2005 at 12:22 AM (#1601177)
The Randy Johnson era just has me filled with hate.

Even if he shouldn't be starting against a lefty (double not withstanding), there is no justification for batting Cano after Flaherty. Flaherty might even be a worse hitter than Womack.
   68. SG Posted: September 07, 2005 at 12:24 AM (#1601188)
rLr, I think Torre wants a "second leadoff hitter" so Cano batting ninth achieves that goal.
   69. Captain Supporter Posted: September 07, 2005 at 12:27 AM (#1601205)
AAnd he is also assuming he will pinch hit for Flaherty in a big spot
   70. rLr Is King Of The Romans And Above Grammar Posted: September 07, 2005 at 12:27 AM (#1601206)
rLr, I think Torre wants a “second leadoff hitter” so Cano batting ninth achieves that goal.

I know why Joe does it. Doesn't make it justified.

Jonny Gomes is the rookie of the year.
   71. villainx Posted: September 07, 2005 at 12:28 AM (#1601208)
Even if he shouldn’t be starting against a lefty (double not withstanding), there is no justification for batting Cano after Flaherty.

I always assume batting ninth was a position of honor for highly regarded rookies, Jeter did it, Soriano did it, now Cano.

It's either someone pretty good, or someone god awful.
   72. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: September 07, 2005 at 12:28 AM (#1601209)
To RB in DC - Lugo’s play was above the major league average. And while I’m a Captain Supporter, I don’t think he would make that play.

Don't misinterpret me, just for the record, I like Jeter and I think he's a helluva playe and I would even go far as to say he has a talent for making plays that don't always show up in the box score. I'm not kevin or anything
   73. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: September 07, 2005 at 12:30 AM (#1601216)
Oh, come on you skinny ####### freak! Jesus!
   74. My guest will be Jermaine Allensworth Posted: September 07, 2005 at 12:30 AM (#1601217)
Even if he shouldn’t be starting against a lefty (double not withstanding), there is no justification for batting Cano after Flaherty.

That's what Michael Kay calls "The Circular Lineup," and he deems them necessary.
   75. rLr Is King Of The Romans And Above Grammar Posted: September 07, 2005 at 12:30 AM (#1601218)
That's our gangly loser.
   76. SG Posted: September 07, 2005 at 12:30 AM (#1601219)
I always assume batting ninth was a position of honor for highly regarded rookies, Jeter did it, Soriano did it, now Cano.

And Roberto Kelly back in the day.
   77. villainx Posted: September 07, 2005 at 12:30 AM (#1601222)
Maybe Johnson was so happy to get Eduardo out that he just sort of lost focus.
   78. SG Posted: September 07, 2005 at 12:31 AM (#1601223)
Great, RJ is back to sucking ####.
   79. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: September 07, 2005 at 12:31 AM (#1601225)
They'd better score ten runs this inning. Jesus, I can't believe the ####### Devil Rays are what is going to keep them from the playoffs
   80. rLr Is King Of The Romans And Above Grammar Posted: September 07, 2005 at 12:33 AM (#1601230)
Great, RJ is back to sucking ####.

Nah, he always did. He was just lulling us into a false sense of confidence. And, by "us," I mean "people other than me." I always knew he was terrible.
   81. SG Posted: September 07, 2005 at 12:33 AM (#1601231)
RB, I realize all seems dire, but they are actually still winning. I echo your call for runs though.
   82. Captain Supporter Posted: September 07, 2005 at 12:33 AM (#1601233)
Kevin's posts were one of the reasons why the Captain Supporter was forced into action.
   83. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: September 07, 2005 at 12:33 AM (#1601236)
Once Flaherty goes 2-0 in a count, he should be forbidden to swing. If he Ks looking, fine. But a pop out? #### me
   84. rLr Is King Of The Romans And Above Grammar Posted: September 07, 2005 at 12:35 AM (#1601239)
Dammit, Robby. You made him work last AB and earned a double. Don't just ground out on teh first pitch.

Casey is a ridiculous name for a grown man.
   85. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: September 07, 2005 at 12:35 AM (#1601240)
RB, I realize all seems dire, but they are actually still winning.

Yes, but I'm getting drunker as the evening goes on so my tolerance is going down
   86. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: September 07, 2005 at 12:37 AM (#1601242)
This game is as good as lost. #### Randy Johnson with a pointy metal dildo
   87. SG Posted: September 07, 2005 at 12:38 AM (#1601245)
After that weak-ass inning, I feel like you do RB. And I'm not even drunk.
   88. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: September 07, 2005 at 12:41 AM (#1601253)
Well, that half inning was heartening. Now score some ####### RUNS YOU STUPID #############!
   89. rLr Is King Of The Romans And Above Grammar Posted: September 07, 2005 at 12:42 AM (#1601257)
This game is as good as lost. #### Randy Johnson with a pointy metal dildo

Nah, that's too narrow. He deserves an oxygen tank.
   90. SG Posted: September 07, 2005 at 12:45 AM (#1601266)
Christ, they Made Fossum throw 61 pitches through two innings, and since then he's thrown about six. WTF?
   91. rLr Is King Of The Romans And Above Grammar Posted: September 07, 2005 at 12:47 AM (#1601271)
Sombreroed by Casey Fossum. Disgraceful.
   92. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: September 07, 2005 at 12:48 AM (#1601272)
A-Rod is actually 0-for-3 with 3 Ks, right? I'm drunk but I'm not that drunk. Please tell I'm that drunk. 3 Ks? 3 Ks!?!
   93. SG Posted: September 07, 2005 at 12:49 AM (#1601276)
Casey Fossum will go down in history as yet another in the long line of Red Sox developed superstars. Just like Brian Rose, and Juan Pena, and ...
   94. rLr Is King Of The Romans And Above Grammar Posted: September 07, 2005 at 12:51 AM (#1601279)
You forgot Robinson Checo, SG.

Perez is a lock to homer here.
   95. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: September 07, 2005 at 12:53 AM (#1601282)
What about Pedro Martinez, why, Boston accquired him when he was just twenty-six years old. Combine him with Clemens and Schilling, and they've practically developed the best three pitchers of the last 20 years!
   96. SG Posted: September 07, 2005 at 12:54 AM (#1601285)
I'd rather he homered than draw a 10 pitch walk. Ugh.

Robinson Checo was going to be the next Mariano Rivera, accordng to Petey Gammons.
   97. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: September 07, 2005 at 12:54 AM (#1601288)
Casey Fossum, out-King the Unit!
   98. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: September 07, 2005 at 12:55 AM (#1601296)
just ####### kill me now. CAN WE BEAT THE ####### DEVIL RAYS!?!?!? HOW ABOUT WHEN WE HAVE A 3-0 LEAD WITH OUR "ACE" on THE MOUND, HUH? #### ALL Y'ALL
   99. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: September 07, 2005 at 12:56 AM (#1601300)
wow, a strikeout. Fancy that.
   100. EB Posted: September 07, 2005 at 12:56 AM (#1601301)
Casey Fossum will go down in history as yet another in the long line of Red Sox developed superstars. Just like Brian Rose, and Juan Pena, and

Jeff Suppan
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