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Saturday, July 07, 2012

Yankees (50-32) @ RedSox (42-41), Saturday, July 7, 2012, 7:15pm

NYY:Phil Hughes (26, RHP, 9-6, 4.29)
BOS:Felix Doubront (24, LHP, 8-4, 4.42)

The Primer Chimp Posted: July 07, 2012 at 10:00 AM | 193 comment(s)
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1. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: July 07, 2012 at 11:27 AM (#4175427)

I guess this will serve as the chatter for both games? Behold today's Red Sox line-up for game one!

1. Nava, LF
2. Ciriaco, 2B
3. Ortiz, DH
4. Gonzalez, 1B
5. Gomez, 3B
6. Kalish, CF
7. Aviles, SS
8. Shoppach, C
9. Lillibridge, RF

Scared yet, Yankees fans?

2. Answer Guy Posted: July 07, 2012 at 11:49 AM (#4175458)

Doubleheader, eh?

Probably for the best. The fates have been toying with Sox fans so far. There have been struggles and what we thought were superstar players (and who are by and large being paid to be superstars) playing either like pretty ordinary ballplayers or playing very little or not at all. What has kept hope alive is that they've gotten some strong performances out of unexpected sources, and that two other key competitors, Tampa and Anaheim, had largely been failing to take advantage of the situation.

It can be overdramatic to talk about must win games in July, but dropping these games will have them under .500, double digits behind the Yankees, more than a week's worth of wins shy of a playoff berth, and quite possibly looking up at every team in the league that's not Kansas City, Minnesota, or Seattle.

I've said elsewhere I don't think much of the Sox' chances this season, but they have been hanging around the edges threatening to make things interesting, and have produced a few nice season stories that might take at least a little sting out of the season's dominant narrative, which is a team of overpaid underachievers that nearly everyone wishes would just go away already.

So what's it gonna be?

3. Randy Jones

Posted: July 07, 2012 at 12:04 PM (#4175470)

Yankee lineup:

Jeter, DH
Teixeira, 1B
Rodriguez, 3B
Cano, 2B
Swisher, RF
Jones, LF
Nix, SS
McDonald, CF
Stewart, C

No clue why Granderson isn't starting.

4. Answer Guy Posted: July 07, 2012 at 12:08 PM (#4175476)

I guess they're starting McDonald because the Sox are starting a lefty. (Not that it's a platoon or anything, but a day game after a night game against a LHP is usually a good game to give a LH batter a game off. They'll probably start him in the nightcap.)

If you have a guy the other team just cut it might be useful to see what he knows, if anything.

5. Randy Jones

Posted: July 07, 2012 at 12:14 PM (#4175484)

Except that since he worked with Kevin Long to fix his swing at the end of 2010, Granderson has hit lefties for like a .900 OPS

6. Answer Guy Posted: July 07, 2012 at 12:16 PM (#4175487)

I think the Sox are actually starting LHP in both halves.

7. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: July 07, 2012 at 12:41 PM (#4175505)

Standard Jeter-type hit.

8. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: July 07, 2012 at 12:47 PM (#4175509)

Yowza, that sucks. Hope he's ok.

(Mostly.)

9. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: July 07, 2012 at 12:49 PM (#4175511)

Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

10. Answer Guy Posted: July 07, 2012 at 12:50 PM (#4175513)

Looking like this season may be getting some palliative euthanasia.

11. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: July 07, 2012 at 12:51 PM (#4175514)

Jesus Christ.

12. Cowboy Popup Posted: July 07, 2012 at 12:52 PM (#4175515)

Too bad Garcia is starting this game.

13. Dale Sams Posted: July 07, 2012 at 12:52 PM (#4175516)

If I wern't so apathetic...and besides the fact it would start a riot...I'd advocate beaning someone for Cano faking (INHO)

14. Chip Posted: July 07, 2012 at 12:55 PM (#4175518)

Giving up a HR to the slumping Swisher hitting righty is as bad as giving up a hit of any kind to Russell Martin.

And now back-to-back. But still better than Beckett!

15. Dale Sams Posted: July 07, 2012 at 12:58 PM (#4175519)

Boston Massacre III

16. Answer Guy Posted: July 07, 2012 at 12:59 PM (#4175521)

Just looked it up. Patriots training camp is 19 days away.

17. Chip Posted: July 07, 2012 at 01:00 PM (#4175523)

I still don't understand why guys who get HBP on the hand when the hand is on the bat and over the plate get awarded first.

18. Dan Posted: July 07, 2012 at 01:01 PM (#4175525)

Thought this was a 1 pm start. Apparently all I missed was another disastrous first inning.

19. Chip Posted: July 07, 2012 at 01:02 PM (#4175527)

Ciriaco's wild swing to strike out was not encouraging.

20. Dan Posted: July 07, 2012 at 01:03 PM (#4175528)

Ciriaco is not a major league player. He isn't even a AAAA player. He's a standard AAA regular.

21. Dan Posted: July 07, 2012 at 01:05 PM (#4175530)

Watching Gonzalez "hit" is just depressing.

22. Answer Guy Posted: July 07, 2012 at 01:06 PM (#4175532)

Bye guys...off to brave the heat. Life's too short to keep watching this.

23. Phil Coorey. Posted: July 07, 2012 at 01:12 PM (#4175534)

morning

24. Swedish Chef Posted: July 07, 2012 at 01:18 PM (#4175538)

evening :-)

25. Swedish Chef Posted: July 07, 2012 at 01:20 PM (#4175539)

Seems like both teams are running out house money lineups this game.

26. Phil Coorey. Posted: July 07, 2012 at 01:22 PM (#4175541)

this is not surprising at all really

27. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: July 07, 2012 at 01:29 PM (#4175545)

I'll be shocked if we don't get swept this weekend.

28. Cowboy Popup Posted: July 07, 2012 at 01:40 PM (#4175550)

Watching Gonzalez "hit" is just depressing.

But he's got a 16 game hitting streak! With just 4 XBHs...

29. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: July 07, 2012 at 01:45 PM (#4175552)

Joe Castiglione sounds about two more innings of this from hanging himself.

30. Chip Posted: July 07, 2012 at 01:47 PM (#4175555)

They're getting no-hit by Freddy ####### Garcia.

31. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: July 07, 2012 at 01:51 PM (#4175559)

Jayson Nix? ####### seriously? These scrubs are hitting HRs today and we can't do jack #### against Freddy ####### Garcia?

32. Dan Posted: July 07, 2012 at 01:52 PM (#4175560)

Joe Castiglione sounds about two more innings of this from hanging himself.

At least he gives a ####. Remy and Orsillo are yucking it up about their plans for the all-star break.

33. Jolly Old St. Nick Done Jumped The Ship

Posted: July 07, 2012 at 01:53 PM (#4175561)

I ain't sayin', I'm just sayin'.....

34. Swedish Chef Posted: July 07, 2012 at 01:59 PM (#4175564)

Does Morales always work that slowly, or is it the NYY-BOS gametime curse at work?

35. Darren

Posted: July 07, 2012 at 02:07 PM (#4175570)

Depressing. Very very depressing.

What's the injury everyone's talking about?

36. Darren

Posted: July 07, 2012 at 02:07 PM (#4175573)

Looking forward to cheap Sox tickets later this year.

37. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: July 07, 2012 at 02:08 PM (#4175574)

Kalish just isn't baseball ready at the plate. He hadn't played a competitive game for well over a year, and his approach looks very poor.

38. Gamingboy Posted: July 07, 2012 at 02:09 PM (#4175576)

What number Boston Massacre is this one?

39. Chip Posted: July 07, 2012 at 02:10 PM (#4175577)

Dreadful overanxious AB, especially against a pitcher who had shown in the inning he was more than hittable once he fell behind in the count.

40. Textbook Editor Posted: July 07, 2012 at 02:32 PM (#4175587)

#38--4? I honestly have lost count the last few years.

41. Darren

Posted: July 07, 2012 at 02:34 PM (#4175588)

I dunno. Look at these two lineups. The Yankees have an actual first division team on the field. The Red Sox don't. They should be getting beat up, just hopefully not swept.

It is a bit frustrating that our little surprising starter has to get murdered by them.

42. Dan Posted: July 07, 2012 at 02:37 PM (#4175589)

Ciriaco batting 2nd is such a ####### joke.

43. Dan Posted: July 07, 2012 at 02:38 PM (#4175590)

Gotta agree with Darren. It doesn't qualify as Boston Massacre X, because the Yankees are simply a far better and healthier team right now. There is no expectation for the Red Sox to be good right now.

44. Textbook Editor Posted: July 07, 2012 at 02:40 PM (#4175591)

There is no expectation for the Red Sox to be good right now.

I wish they'd just play the kids. Bring up Igelsias, etc. What's the point of playing veterans to get to 82 wins?

45. Dan Posted: July 07, 2012 at 02:47 PM (#4175595)

I have to hear McCarver in the ####### booth on NESN now too? Seriously, #### off ########.

46. Dan Posted: July 07, 2012 at 02:48 PM (#4175596)

Gonzalez swings late on a straight 88 MPH fastball, barely able to get a piece.

47. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: July 07, 2012 at 02:50 PM (#4175599)

I wish they'd just play the kids. Bring up Igelsias, etc. What's the point of playing veterans to get to 82 wins?

They're playing all of the kids except for Iglesias.

48. Dan Posted: July 07, 2012 at 02:51 PM (#4175600)

And Gonzalez can't even hit the ball high enough to get past the LF at the wall. Ortiz was actually safe, but whatever. And it's hard to blame him for thinking that Gonzalez hitting a ball hard to LF should be an uncatchable ball; he's not adjusted to the new powerless version yet.

49. Chip Posted: July 07, 2012 at 02:51 PM (#4175601)

Kay thinks the crowd is booing the Red Sox when it seems obvious they're booing the call at first.

50. Darren

Posted: July 07, 2012 at 02:52 PM (#4175602)

Imagine if Gonzalez was strong enough to hit the ball all the way over the fence?

51. Chip Posted: July 07, 2012 at 02:54 PM (#4175605)

Imagine if Gonzalez was strong enough to hit the ball all the way over the fence?

To imagine that you'd have to imagine he had two healthy shoulders. But it appears he has at most one.

52. Darren

Posted: July 07, 2012 at 02:57 PM (#4175606)

But they paid him $160 mil. He must have been superhealthy!

53. Dan Posted: July 07, 2012 at 02:58 PM (#4175607)

Imagine if Gonzalez was strong enough to hit the ball all the way over the fence?

I don't think my imagination has been that strong in at least 20 years.

54. Textbook Editor Posted: July 07, 2012 at 03:00 PM (#4175610)

They're playing all of the kids except for Iglesias.

More kids! Trade Ross, Sweeney, Aviles, Punto, etc. They're pointless, and won't be on the next really good Red Sox team.

And trade Beckett if you can. Watching him pitch is like watching Dice-K. I'm over it.

55. Dan Posted: July 07, 2012 at 03:01 PM (#4175611)

That ball goes for a double if McDonald is still in the game in CF.

56. Dan Posted: July 07, 2012 at 03:03 PM (#4175613)

Red Sox won't even have the benefit of making the Yankees use their good relievers in this game. They'll have a fully fresh pen for game 2.

57. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: July 07, 2012 at 03:11 PM (#4175614)

More kids! Trade Ross, Sweeney, Aviles, Punto, etc. They're pointless, and won't be on the next really good Red Sox team.

Even if we give up on the season, the Red Sox should only be playing those kids whose development will be helped by playing in the major leagues. Jose Iglesias needs to learn how to hit minor league pitching before he can learn something playing in the majors.

The only prospect or semi-prospect in AA or AAA who I think would be ready to learn against big league competition is Ryan Lavarnway. Do you trade Salty?

I would not have a problem with trading Albers to get Tazawa on the roster. He'd be the other one.

58. Dan Posted: July 07, 2012 at 03:13 PM (#4175617)

Let's just play Lavarnway at third base. How much worse can he be there than Mauro Gomez?

59. Dan Posted: July 07, 2012 at 03:15 PM (#4175621)

Or put Gonzalez on the shelf to fix his shoulder and split Salty/Lavarnway between 1B and catcher.

60. Dan Posted: July 07, 2012 at 03:18 PM (#4175623)

Amazing that Teixeira has a ~.800 OPS and that it's still better than Gonzalez's line.

61. Chip Posted: July 07, 2012 at 03:21 PM (#4175626)

I trade Shoppach before Salty to free PT for Lavarnway. How much more is Salty going to bring back?

62. Dan Posted: July 07, 2012 at 03:30 PM (#4175630)

There is absolutely no reason to give Ortiz anything to hit right now.

63. Chip Posted: July 07, 2012 at 03:30 PM (#4175631)

Pitching around Ortiz to get at Gonzalez again.

64. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: July 07, 2012 at 03:32 PM (#4175632)

I think Lavarnway's development is better served as a full-time minor leaguer than as the short side of a platoon in the majors.

I also think he's better served actually playing catcher than hitting in the majors and learning a new position. (And all the reports are that Lavarnway has Piazzan athleticism - he can't play first.)

65. Chip Posted: July 07, 2012 at 03:32 PM (#4175633)

Chases out of the zone, grounds out weakly.

Wash, rinse, repeat.

66. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: July 07, 2012 at 03:37 PM (#4175636)

Germano's done yeoman's work today. The Sox will have a bullpen for the nightcap. Maybe they'll even have cause to use it.

67. Dan Posted: July 07, 2012 at 03:44 PM (#4175640)

Man I was excited to see Kalish come up after he was tearing up the minors, but he's been just awful.

68. Chip Posted: July 07, 2012 at 03:45 PM (#4175641)

Gomez forces Soriano to start warming, a small victory, but Kalish immediately sits him down.

69. Dan Posted: July 07, 2012 at 03:45 PM (#4175642)

Whoever decided Kalish should be the long term RFer over Reddick should really be fired.

70. booond Posted: July 07, 2012 at 03:53 PM (#4175645)

Whoever decided Kalish should be the long term RFer over Reddick should really be fired.

I'm not going to argue the Reddick-Kalish point. That said, Kalish has played fewer than 60 total games in the last two years. He should be given a little time before we bury him.

71. The Yankee Clapper Posted: July 07, 2012 at 03:54 PM (#4175646)

Hughes has a 3.03 ERA over the last 30 days, so I'm cautiously optimistic about the nightcap.

72. Dan Posted: July 07, 2012 at 03:55 PM (#4175647)

Oh, I wouldn't bury him. He should still play until Ellsbury is back, because he's the only competent defensive CFer on this team. Maybe Lillibridge is okay in CF too, I'm not sure, I haven't seen much of him, but he is the short side of a platoon at best anyway.

73. Dan Posted: July 07, 2012 at 07:10 PM (#4175730)

Anyone actually have the stomach to watch game 2?

74. JJ1986 Posted: July 07, 2012 at 07:17 PM (#4175733)

I have somehow gotten a feed for this game that's just the noise of the ballpark. It's glorious.

75. The Yankee Clapper Posted: July 07, 2012 at 07:17 PM (#4175734)

Looking forward to it.

76. Dan Posted: July 07, 2012 at 07:19 PM (#4175735)

Gomez at third base after trading Youkilis should be an immediate termination for Cherington. What a ####### disaster.

77. Phil Coorey. Posted: July 07, 2012 at 07:20 PM (#4175736)

Anyone actually have the stomach to watch game 2?

I won't be

78. Dan Posted: July 07, 2012 at 07:20 PM (#4175737)

#firecherington

79. Cowboy Popup Posted: July 07, 2012 at 07:24 PM (#4175741)

Hughes has a 3.03 ERA over the last 30 days, so I'm cautiously optimistic about the nightcap.

Me too, although Fenway has been a house of horrors. Even with the seriously depleted lineup the Sox are running out there, if Hughes has a good game, I'll feel a lot more comfortable with him going forward.

80. JJ1986 Posted: July 07, 2012 at 07:24 PM (#4175742)

Nate Spears has to have more value to a team that already has an everyday 1Bmen than Gomez does. Why not bring him up instead?

81. Gamingboy Posted: July 07, 2012 at 07:25 PM (#4175743)

What's the record for 1st inning runs in a four game series?

82. The Yankee Clapper Posted: July 07, 2012 at 07:32 PM (#4175751)

What's the record for 1st inning runs in a four game series?

Memory might be off, but I think the Yanks did very well right out of the gate in the original Boston Massacre. Doubt it was a record, though.

83. Chip Posted: July 07, 2012 at 07:32 PM (#4175752)

Punto, Aviles, and Lillibridge should have all been available to play third backing up Middlebrooks after the Youkilis trade. Why the latter two haven't is a mystery, especially with the Pedroia injury pushing Punto to second.

84. Srul Itza Posted: July 07, 2012 at 07:33 PM (#4175753)

5 runs given up in the first inning of the Game 1
4 runs given up in the first inning of the Game 2
3 runs given up in the first inning of the Game 3

The Red Sox are improving every game.

85. Dan Posted: July 07, 2012 at 07:34 PM (#4175754)

Ok, well why does Valentine think Mauro Gomez is more qualified to play third base than Lillibridge?

86. Srul Itza Posted: July 07, 2012 at 07:34 PM (#4175755)

Hughes has a 3.03 ERA over the last 30 days, so I'm cautiously optimistic about the nightcap.

Really? I don't see the Yankees making it out of the first with the lead.

87. Mayor Blomberg Posted: July 07, 2012 at 07:35 PM (#4175756)

thanks Srul!

88. Srul Itza Posted: July 07, 2012 at 07:35 PM (#4175757)

Of course, I forgot to consider the Punto Factor.

89. Srul Itza Posted: July 07, 2012 at 07:36 PM (#4175758)

They didn't walk Ortiz? I guess Hughes didn't get the memo.

90. Srul Itza Posted: July 07, 2012 at 07:37 PM (#4175760)

thanks Srul!

Just practicing my RLYW style game chattering.

91. Mayor Blomberg Posted: July 07, 2012 at 07:37 PM (#4175761)

Just practicing my RLYW style game chattering.

& a good job of it!

92. The Ghost of Sox Fans Past

Posted: July 07, 2012 at 07:37 PM (#4175762)

I am sorry I didn't get to the thread earlier. However, the appropriate ######## has been made in my absence, so it's all OK.

Wait, no one grumbled about the Yankees picking up McDonald and playing him against the Sox ... but maybe that's a good thing, really?

93. Dan Posted: July 07, 2012 at 07:41 PM (#4175763)

Harper going to the ASG! Awesome!

94. Chip Posted: July 07, 2012 at 07:43 PM (#4175765)

I like that Desmond begged out of the ASG with an oblique injury, then played today and hit a HR.

95. The Ghost of Sox Fans Past

Posted: July 07, 2012 at 07:44 PM (#4175766)

Jeter is in charge of the NYY Dress Code now?

96. Gamingboy Posted: July 07, 2012 at 07:45 PM (#4175768)

Jeter is in charge of the NYY Dress Code now?

Guess so.

97. Chip Posted: July 07, 2012 at 07:45 PM (#4175769)

Buck optimistically suggests Steinbrenner is in heaven.

98. Dan Posted: July 07, 2012 at 07:47 PM (#4175771)

The "washed up" Kevin Youkilis now has more home runs than Adrian Gonzalez, despite missing significant time and being benched for more significant time.

99. Gamingboy Posted: July 07, 2012 at 07:47 PM (#4175772)

Buck optimistically suggests Steinbrenner is in heaven.

It's possible. Hell might not want have wanted him because the Devil was afraid he'd take over.

100. Chip Posted: July 07, 2012 at 07:49 PM (#4175773)

It's certainly true that the old fascist is looking approvingly from whatever afterlife abode accepted him at Jeter's petty tyrant attack on McDonald's hair.

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