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Sunday, July 08, 2012

Yankees (51-33) @ RedSox (43-42), Sunday, July 8, 2012, 8:05pm

NYY:Ivan Nova (25, RHP, 9-3, 4.05)
BOS:Jon Lester (28, LHP, 5-5, 4.33)

The Primer Chimp Posted: July 08, 2012 at 10:00 AM | 237 comment(s)
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1. Joe Bivens, Minor Genius Posted: July 08, 2012 at 04:56 PM (#4176222)

Over/under on HR's Nova gives up tonight...2.

Over/under on HR's Lester gives up tonight...2.

2. Dan Posted: July 08, 2012 at 07:21 PM (#4176276)

I know Gomez has been hitting, but his glove at third really concerns me with all of these LHP on the mound and all the switch-hitters in the Yankees lineup.

3. Dan Posted: July 08, 2012 at 08:03 PM (#4176307)

Reddick just hit a walk-off double in the 13th inning against Seattle off of Oliver Perez.

4. Chip Posted: July 08, 2012 at 08:04 PM (#4176308)

Can Reddick pitch the first inning tonight?

5. Dan Posted: July 08, 2012 at 08:11 PM (#4176312)

Lester serving up cookies on 0-2. Awesome job, Jon.

6. Chip Posted: July 08, 2012 at 08:11 PM (#4176313)

Jon Lester, master of surrendering the 0-2 hit.

7. Dan Posted: July 08, 2012 at 08:12 PM (#4176314)

And Gomez at 3rd already burns them.

8. Chip Posted: July 08, 2012 at 08:12 PM (#4176315)

I told you Josh Reddick should have pitched the first inning.

9. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: July 08, 2012 at 08:15 PM (#4176319)

Are we contractually required to give up a bunch of runs in the first inning to the Yankees?

10. Dan Posted: July 08, 2012 at 08:15 PM (#4176320)

Orel: "He's going to take a shot at a strikeoiut here, Salty better be ready to block a bouncer in the dirt"

<Lester throws 92 MPH fastball down the middle>

11. The Clarence Thomas of BBTF (scott) Posted: July 08, 2012 at 08:17 PM (#4176321)

#### you Jon Lester, you're not a cancer patient anymore! Stop licking ass.

12. The Clarence Thomas of BBTF (scott) Posted: July 08, 2012 at 08:19 PM (#4176322)

Jon Lester pitched better with leukemia

13. Chip Posted: July 08, 2012 at 08:20 PM (#4176325)

Doubront and Morales helped Swisher break out of his deep slump. This is headed to LansdownevStreet.

14. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: July 08, 2012 at 08:21 PM (#4176326)

And that's what happens when you have a first baseman playing third base.

15. Dan Posted: July 08, 2012 at 08:21 PM (#4176327)

And Gomez burns them again.

16. The Clarence Thomas of BBTF (scott) Posted: July 08, 2012 at 08:21 PM (#4176328)

Anyone wondering about the effects of a shitty SSS 3b just saw the downside.

17. Phil Coorey. Posted: July 08, 2012 at 08:21 PM (#4176329)

WHAT THE #### WAS THAT THROW??

This season is a ####### joke

18. Dan Posted: July 08, 2012 at 08:22 PM (#4176330)

And Gonzalez probably should have picked that too.

19. Textbook Editor Posted: July 08, 2012 at 08:22 PM (#4176331)

Gonzalez still should have had that. Not sure from the replay if he would have been out or not if the throw had been held.

20. Benji Gil Gamesh Rises Posted: July 08, 2012 at 08:23 PM (#4176332)

The Sox could reeeaaaaaaaaaaly use Lester to snap back to 2008-2010 form.

21. Chip Posted: July 08, 2012 at 08:23 PM (#4176333)

The obvious solution to this is to trade Ellsbury.

22. Phil Coorey. Posted: July 08, 2012 at 08:23 PM (#4176334)

He's not used to a 40 hopper

23. Benji Gil Gamesh Rises Posted: July 08, 2012 at 08:24 PM (#4176335)

Well, we were "supposed" to give up 2 in the first inning this time right?

24. Textbook Editor Posted: July 08, 2012 at 08:24 PM (#4176337)

He's not used to a 40 hopper

Granted, but the throw was soooo slow that it wasn't like it ate him up or anything like that. The throw was bad but it was very pick-able.

25. JJ1986 Posted: July 08, 2012 at 08:25 PM (#4176338)

5 runs in the 1st Friday. Then 4, then 3, then 2.

26. King Berenger Posted: July 08, 2012 at 08:26 PM (#4176339)

On the bright side Sox fans, if this rate continues, you'll be giving up -1 runs in the first inning.

27. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: July 08, 2012 at 08:27 PM (#4176340)

Jon Lester irritates me more than any pitcher I can remember. He does less with more than any pitcher the Sox have had in a long time.

28. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: July 08, 2012 at 08:27 PM (#4176342)

Hooray, we got the "he knows how to win" cliche!

29. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: July 08, 2012 at 08:28 PM (#4176343)

Thank god for the win last night.

30. Chip Posted: July 08, 2012 at 08:28 PM (#4176344)

A three-pitch strikeout is suboptimal, Daniel.

31. Phil Coorey. Posted: July 08, 2012 at 08:28 PM (#4176346)

Granted, but the throw was soooo slow that it wasn't like it ate him up or anything like that. The throw was bad but it was very pick-able.

After vomiting, then typing my comment - I rewound the throw and you are right

Still laughing at this joke of a season though

On the bright side Sox fans, if this rate continues, you'll be giving up -1 runs in the first inning.

Brilliant

32. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: July 08, 2012 at 08:29 PM (#4176347)

Ciriaco thinks its March and Ft.. Myers again.

33. Benji Gil Gamesh Rises Posted: July 08, 2012 at 08:30 PM (#4176348)

Wow, looked out on the SB.

34. Dan Posted: July 08, 2012 at 08:30 PM (#4176349)

A homer from Ortiz here would be awfully swell.

35. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: July 08, 2012 at 08:30 PM (#4176350)

Jeter must have missed the tag.

36. Dan Posted: July 08, 2012 at 08:31 PM (#4176351)

Looked out to me.

37. Benji Gil Gamesh Rises Posted: July 08, 2012 at 08:31 PM (#4176352)

Nope, excellent call.

38. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: July 08, 2012 at 08:31 PM (#4176353)

Nope, just a bad, slow tag.

39. Chip Posted: July 08, 2012 at 08:31 PM (#4176354)

Wasn't even close. Jeter once again tries to snow an umpire.

40. Dan Posted: July 08, 2012 at 08:31 PM (#4176355)

Jeter doesn't get the call on the phantom tag for once, and is incredibly confused.

41. Phil Coorey. Posted: July 08, 2012 at 08:32 PM (#4176356)

Great call by the ump

42. Benji Gil Gamesh Rises Posted: July 08, 2012 at 08:32 PM (#4176358)

Yep, grabbed the throw way too far in front of the bag. Kudos to the ump.

43. Chip Posted: July 08, 2012 at 08:35 PM (#4176361)

Unafraid of walking Ortiz when you're confident the next guy will roll over into a DP.

44. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: July 08, 2012 at 08:35 PM (#4176362)

If Gonzalez is right and goes the other way Nova is a nice matchup for him.

45. Benji Gil Gamesh Rises Posted: July 08, 2012 at 08:35 PM (#4176363)

AGon deposits one off the wall here.

46. Benji Gil Gamesh Rises Posted: July 08, 2012 at 08:37 PM (#4176366)

Or, you know, that. Better than a dp anyway.

47. Phil Coorey. Posted: July 08, 2012 at 08:38 PM (#4176367)

Getting sick and tired of people talking about AG's shitty hitting streak

48. Dan Posted: July 08, 2012 at 08:38 PM (#4176368)

How hard would we be laughing at the Yankees if they had signed Gonzalez for $154M?

49. King Berenger Posted: July 08, 2012 at 08:38 PM (#4176369)

Whoah did that one grab some wall!!!

(Sorry, couldn't help it. I love that phrase to death. Mostly because it's so terrible.)

50. Chip Posted: July 08, 2012 at 08:39 PM (#4176370)

The AGon who doesn't walk anymore because he can't control the strike zone gets himself out chasing a ball in the dirt to start his AB and again to end it.

51. Dan Posted: July 08, 2012 at 08:39 PM (#4176371)

...And traded a young, cheap 1B prospect and a good prospect arm for the opportunity

52. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: July 08, 2012 at 08:40 PM (#4176373)

That'll work.

53. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: July 08, 2012 at 08:40 PM (#4176374)

AHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA

That moment makes up for the rest of the series. Now I don't even care if they lose tonight.

54. King Berenger Posted: July 08, 2012 at 08:40 PM (#4176375)

Eeeew Sox fans liked that one.

55. Dan Posted: July 08, 2012 at 08:40 PM (#4176376)

Wow.

56. Chip Posted: July 08, 2012 at 08:40 PM (#4176377)

Derek Jeter has been worse than Mauro Gonzalez the last two nights.

57. Jay Seaver Posted: July 08, 2012 at 08:41 PM (#4176378)

MLB.com - I will pay $10 for that play on a continuous loop on DVD.

58. Dan Posted: July 08, 2012 at 08:41 PM (#4176379)

MLB.com - I will pay $10 for that play on a continuous loop on DVD.

Somebody will make a GIF of it for free!

59. Lassus Posted: July 08, 2012 at 08:43 PM (#4176381)

As a Mets fan who had to listen to an video publisher Yankee fan ####### at MLB.com give me #### about that Luis Castillo thing for three hours nonstop that night, I hope he actually had a ####### heart attack.

60. Textbook Editor Posted: July 08, 2012 at 08:44 PM (#4176383)

The obvious solution to this is to trade Ellsbury.

The issue with Ellsbury is that he has 1 more arb year left, right (2013)? Unless you trade him this off-season (something I am not advocating, I just want to say), whatever team that gets him mid-year next year doesn't get the compensation pick when he walks after 2013 (something I would fully expect, being a Boras client, etc.)... That lessens what teams will offer you in-season next year.

If you truly, truly don't think you can sign Ellsbury, I don't think it's irresponsible to gauge the trade value this off-season. Again, I'd rather keep him (and make the qualifying offer than gets you a comp pick for the 2014 draft), but it's not craziness to explore his value this off-season.

61. Jay Seaver Posted: July 08, 2012 at 08:45 PM (#4176385)

I'm not saying I timed my moviegoing and grocery shopping to miss the inevitable ugly first inning, but it did enter my mind.

62. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: July 08, 2012 at 08:45 PM (#4176386)

That's it Jon. Way to come out and pick up the club.

63. Chip Posted: July 08, 2012 at 08:47 PM (#4176387)

If you truly, truly don't think you can sign Ellsbury, I don't think it's irresponsible to gauge the trade value this off-season. Again, I'd rather keep him (and make the qualifying offer than gets you a comp pick for the 2014 draft), but it's not craziness to explore his value this off-season.

No, no, no. Ellsbury has been slacking by not doing his rehab assignment in the majors and must therefore be punished for it by trading him + Lester + the entire farm system for Felix Hernandez. Nick Cafardo says so.

64. Dan Posted: July 08, 2012 at 08:48 PM (#4176388)

Way to give back the run, ########.

65. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: July 08, 2012 at 08:48 PM (#4176389)

I would dearly love to see how Jon Lester ranks in giving up runs the inning after his team scores. It seems like he does it an awful lot.

66. Textbook Editor Posted: July 08, 2012 at 08:49 PM (#4176391)

If I had to make the call tonight I would let Lester and Beckett walk when their current contracts were up. Or seek trade partners and see what you can get. I suppose I've joined the "blow it up" bandwagon.

67. Jay Seaver Posted: July 08, 2012 at 08:49 PM (#4176392)

FOR F---'S SAKE ENOUGH ABOUT DEREK JETER FOREVER!!!!

68. Chip Posted: July 08, 2012 at 08:49 PM (#4176393)

At this point I wiould listen to any decent Lester offer, however.

69. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: July 08, 2012 at 08:50 PM (#4176394)

Ugh

70. Textbook Editor Posted: July 08, 2012 at 08:50 PM (#4176395)

Nick Cafardo says so.

Carfado is a blithering idiot. But then I would guess most Therapudians feel this way.

I would dearly love to see how Jon Lester ranks in giving up runs the inning after his team scores. It seems like he does it an awful lot.

If he and Beckett were 1-2 in ranking it would not at all surprise me.

71. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: July 08, 2012 at 08:50 PM (#4176396)

I'm with you Chip. Im so ready to punt him out the door.

72. Dan Posted: July 08, 2012 at 08:51 PM (#4176397)

How does a pitcher go from recovering from cancer to one of the best pitchers in the league to a medocrity all over a 5 year span?

73. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: July 08, 2012 at 08:52 PM (#4176398)

Beckett at least seems to string together a bunch of good starts and a couple of horrible ones. Lester seems like he just is Mediocre every night.

74. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: July 08, 2012 at 08:52 PM (#4176400)

Dear Lester:

#### your ####.

75. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: July 08, 2012 at 08:53 PM (#4176402)

Why does ESPN not use the straight ahead camera? Does NESN have some kind if contractual right to that?

76. Jay Seaver Posted: July 08, 2012 at 08:54 PM (#4176403)

I suspect ESPN has gotten complaints about it. I've read blogs where people hated it, for some incomprehensible reason.

77. Dan Posted: July 08, 2012 at 08:54 PM (#4176404)

Why does ESPN not use the straight ahead camera? Does NESN have some kind if contractual right to that?

Because their producers are stupid and stuck in the past.

78. Chip Posted: July 08, 2012 at 08:55 PM (#4176405)

I dare Shulman and Hershiser to ask Tito about the fact that Lester and Beckett got him fired with their September performances (and in-game chicken & beer) and are now trying to do the same to Valentine.

79. Dan Posted: July 08, 2012 at 08:55 PM (#4176406)

People hate it because people hate change, even change that is an indisputable improvement.

80. Jay Seaver Posted: July 08, 2012 at 08:58 PM (#4176408)

The funny thing is, ESPN were the first people using the dead-center camera, even though it mean extending a ridiculous tower from their production truck in many cases because they couldn't install it in the ballpark.

81. Jay Seaver Posted: July 08, 2012 at 08:59 PM (#4176409)

I'm not saying I ever root for people to get injured, but don't tease me with all this "Jeter's shoulder" talk, ESPN.

82. Dale Sams Posted: July 08, 2012 at 08:59 PM (#4176410)

I want a frank answer from Tito on his opinion of what happened with Youk.

God, I would love it if it became a Fiskian level mistake.

I mean did we really trade KEVIN YOUKILIS, not one year removed from being 'quite good' for ####, and because a rookie got hot for a month??

83. Chip Posted: July 08, 2012 at 09:00 PM (#4176411)

Jeter wants everyone to know he only dropped that ball because HIS ARM IS BROKEN! IN THREE PLACES!

84. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: July 08, 2012 at 09:01 PM (#4176412)

Eight months into his reign Ben Cherington does not have a great trading record.

85. Dan Posted: July 08, 2012 at 09:01 PM (#4176413)

An already injured rookie, no less. I like WMB in the long term, but there was no reason to pull the ejector cord on Youkilis so early, and the fact that 2 weeks later we're seeing Mauro Gomez playing consistently at third base is just the cherry on the #### sunday. The tail is wagging the dog, and the dog hasn't a ####### clue how to value its own assets.

86. Dan Posted: July 08, 2012 at 09:02 PM (#4176414)

Cherington's trades would make Ed Wade blush.

87. Dan Posted: July 08, 2012 at 09:02 PM (#4176415)

What the #### did Gomez just swing at?

88. Dale Sams Posted: July 08, 2012 at 09:04 PM (#4176416)

I'm surprised GMs don't hang outside Cherington's office door like bums trying to wash windowshields.

89. Textbook Editor Posted: July 08, 2012 at 09:04 PM (#4176418)

The problem with acknowledging that Lester & Beckett were the ringleaders of the fried-chicken/beer brigade is that kills most of their trade value (if they have any). There are teams (I think) that would trade for Beckett & Lester (probably with some cash thrown in on any Beckett trade), but trading them means blowing it up and I don't think they're of that mindset yet.

I'm not sure where that point is, though. I'm fine with moving forward with a commitment to youth and getting rid of bad contracts/trading guys like Lester & Beckett for even more prospects, but I can't imagine I'm in the majority with that opinion.

90. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: July 08, 2012 at 09:05 PM (#4176419)

Are you ####### kidding me?

91. Dan Posted: July 08, 2012 at 09:06 PM (#4176421)

And Gonzalez is officially injured.

92. Textbook Editor Posted: July 08, 2012 at 09:06 PM (#4176422)

Gonzalez finally admits his shoulder needs a trip to the 60-day DL? Or just a hangnail? Not holding my breath it's the former.

Would Gomez move over and play 1B if Gonzalez went on the DL?

93. Jay Seaver Posted: July 08, 2012 at 09:06 PM (#4176424)

This is a freaking joke.

94. Chip Posted: July 08, 2012 at 09:07 PM (#4176425)

Maybe Gonzalez is leaving to have shoulder surgery during the ASB.

95. Textbook Editor Posted: July 08, 2012 at 09:07 PM (#4176426)

I'm surprised GMs don't hang outside Cherington's office door like bums trying to wash windowshields.

If I was Amaro, I would be calling every day. The Red Sox have all kinds of baubles the Phillies need, in multiple places. I'm frankly quite stunned a trade of some kind hasn't happened.

96. Dan Posted: July 08, 2012 at 09:07 PM (#4176427)

Looking forward to the PC where they explain that Gonzalez has been dealing with a nagging shoulder issue since last year's HRD, despite the repeated denials of that exact thing.

97. Textbook Editor Posted: July 08, 2012 at 09:08 PM (#4176429)

Maybe Gonzalez is leaving to have shoulder surgery during the ASB.

I laughed.

98. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: July 08, 2012 at 09:08 PM (#4176430)

I went into Out of the Park 13, loaded the file for this season, picked the Red Sox, and traded EVERYONE. It was somewhat cathartic.

99. Jay Seaver Posted: July 08, 2012 at 09:08 PM (#4176431)

How awesome would it be if this story Tito's telling eventually becomes exactly how Lester became a problem last year.

100. Chip Posted: July 08, 2012 at 09:09 PM (#4176432)

See, Gomez isn't any worse than Punto at third.

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