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Sunday, July 08, 2012

Yankees (51-33) @ RedSox (43-42), Sunday, July 8, 2012, 8:05pm

NYY:Ivan Nova (25, RHP, 9-3, 4.05)
BOS:Jon Lester (28, LHP, 5-5, 4.33)

The Primer Chimp Posted: July 08, 2012 at 10:00 AM | 237 comment(s)
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   101. Dan Posted: July 08, 2012 at 09:10 PM (#4176433)
So SS and C are the only positions where the Sox haven't had a significant injury now, right?
   102. Chip Posted: July 08, 2012 at 09:12 PM (#4176435)
You know of course that as soon as they trade Lester he will find that cutter location Hershiser says he's missing and win a Cy Young.
   103. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: July 08, 2012 at 09:12 PM (#4176436)
DH count as a position?
   104. Dan Posted: July 08, 2012 at 09:13 PM (#4176437)
Would any of the infielders now playing for the Red Sox even crack the Yankees' bench?
   105. Textbook Editor Posted: July 08, 2012 at 09:14 PM (#4176439)
Aviles would, I think.
   106. Textbook Editor Posted: July 08, 2012 at 09:16 PM (#4176441)
[sigh]

NESN's Didier Morais reported pregame that Gonzalez was battling a cold.


On the plus side, in years to come teams will study this period in the Red Sox' history as THE case study in how NOT to handle injured players... So mankind will benefit down the line from this buffoonery.
   107. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: July 08, 2012 at 09:17 PM (#4176444)
So what if it hit the bat first? That didn't stop the umps from giving Cano a HBP.
   108. Jay Seaver Posted: July 08, 2012 at 09:18 PM (#4176445)
You watch. This error will lead to another ten minutes of how awesome Jeter is.
   109. Lassus Posted: July 08, 2012 at 09:18 PM (#4176446)
This is very cathartic.
   110. Dan Posted: July 08, 2012 at 09:19 PM (#4176447)
Jeter has been the Red Sox MVP tonight.
   111. Chip Posted: July 08, 2012 at 09:19 PM (#4176448)
A cold, or dengue fever?

Remember, DEREK JETER'S ARM HURTS! OWWWW!
   112. King Berenger Posted: July 08, 2012 at 09:20 PM (#4176449)
Of course, the biggest lost tonight is Gonzalez's hitting streak. ESPN producers shed a tear.
   113. Dan Posted: July 08, 2012 at 09:20 PM (#4176452)
I like how Francona pretends that Gonzalez was any kind of protection for Ortiz anyway.
   114. Jay Seaver Posted: July 08, 2012 at 09:21 PM (#4176454)
Papi!

(And I can't believe he was called safe)
   115. Lassus Posted: July 08, 2012 at 09:21 PM (#4176455)
Ortiz is fun. Think Cherington would take Ike Davis for him?
   116. Chip Posted: July 08, 2012 at 09:22 PM (#4176456)
See what the threat of Punto is compared to Adrian behind Ortiz?
   117. Chip Posted: July 08, 2012 at 09:23 PM (#4176458)
Angel Hernandez is a horrible, horrible umpire.
   118. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: July 08, 2012 at 09:24 PM (#4176462)
If Ortiz stays in form, he's going to have a fun HoF case. I don't think he'll make it but he'd at least step into the conversation alongside Edgar Martinez.

I like Francona as a color man.
   119. Chip Posted: July 08, 2012 at 09:25 PM (#4176465)
Punto should have been called out on principle.
   120. Dan Posted: July 08, 2012 at 09:26 PM (#4176468)
Ortiz is fun. Think Cherington would take Ike Davis for him?


No. But I bet if you offer an injured reliever, he'll bite. Frank Francisco will probably get it done.
   121. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: July 08, 2012 at 09:26 PM (#4176469)
Punto should have been called out on principle.


Agreed. Run it out, meat!
   122. Chip Posted: July 08, 2012 at 09:29 PM (#4176470)
Be a man and call Ian Desmond out by name, Orel. He's the guy ducking the game with a phantom injury you're talking about.
   123. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: July 08, 2012 at 09:29 PM (#4176471)
Hooray for Salty!
   124. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: July 08, 2012 at 09:29 PM (#4176472)
Oh come on Salty. Swing batter batter.
   125. Benji Gil Gamesh VII - The Opt-Out Awakens Posted: July 08, 2012 at 09:30 PM (#4176473)
I can't believe Jeter doesn't have two errors.
   126. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: July 08, 2012 at 09:30 PM (#4176474)
Bob Lobel behind home plate.
   127. Phil Coorey. Posted: July 08, 2012 at 09:30 PM (#4176475)
Good little squander there
   128. Chip Posted: July 08, 2012 at 09:30 PM (#4176476)
SQUANDER!
   129. Dan Posted: July 08, 2012 at 09:31 PM (#4176477)
Ridiculous squander.
   130. Dan Posted: July 08, 2012 at 09:32 PM (#4176479)
I miss the time when Sweeney was hitting well enough that people would throw his numbers in my face when I mentioned Reddick's performance in Oakland :(
   131. Chip Posted: July 08, 2012 at 09:33 PM (#4176480)
Lester will now give the run back, if not more.
   132. Textbook Editor Posted: July 08, 2012 at 09:34 PM (#4176482)
Jeter can't be expected to gift more runs. At some point, the Red Sox will have to try scoring some on their own.

I, for one, can't wait to see the decline phase of Jeter's career. Seeing the NY media do cartwheels pretending it's 1996 still will be fun to watch.
   133. Textbook Editor Posted: July 08, 2012 at 09:34 PM (#4176484)
If Bailey comes back and is lights-out, will anyone feel better about that trade?
   134. Dan Posted: July 08, 2012 at 09:36 PM (#4176485)
If Bailey comes back and is lights-out, will anyone feel better about that trade?


For all 5 innings he pitches?
   135. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: July 08, 2012 at 09:37 PM (#4176486)
I, for one, can't wait to see the decline phase of Jeter's career. Seeing the NY media do cartwheels pretending it's 1996 still will be fun to watch.

We've been calling for this to happen for a while now.
   136. Cowboy Popup Posted: July 08, 2012 at 09:37 PM (#4176487)
I, for one, can't wait to see the decline phase of Jeter's career. Seeing the NY media do cartwheels pretending it's 1996 still will be fun to watch.

Um, wait to see it? Open your eyes man! It's happening right now. I've never seen Jeter drop a pop up before.
   137. Textbook Editor Posted: July 08, 2012 at 09:37 PM (#4176488)
OMG JETER WILL NOT PLAY 5-6 MORE YEARS AND FINISH 3rd IN HITS. STOP TALKING NONSENSE!
   138. The Yankee Clapper Posted: July 08, 2012 at 09:37 PM (#4176490)
I, for one, can't wait to see the decline phase of Jeter's career.

He lasted a lot longer than Nomar.
   139. Textbook Editor Posted: July 08, 2012 at 09:38 PM (#4176491)
Oh, Tito, stop sucking up to Jeter. You're making yourself look insane.
   140. Dale Sams Posted: July 08, 2012 at 09:38 PM (#4176492)
If Bailey comes back and is lights-out, will anyone feel better about that trade?


It's still fairly defensible because of Sweeney. But no reliever short of Mariano is worth an average+ everyday player. We need a RFer everyday. You don't need a closer every day. And a closer on an incompetent team like this makes it even worse. A great RFer could make it more likely to use the closer. The reverse isn't true.*

*My logic here is a little shaky but im distracted.
   141. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: July 08, 2012 at 09:39 PM (#4176493)
If Bailey comes back and is lights-out, will anyone feel better about that trade?


It would make me feel better. Right now all that's happening is Dan is making me actively root against Reddick.
   142. Textbook Editor Posted: July 08, 2012 at 09:39 PM (#4176494)
He lasted a lot longer than Nomar.


I guess I should have used a compound sentence so as to better articulate the why I was looking forward to it.
   143. King Berenger Posted: July 08, 2012 at 09:40 PM (#4176495)
I get the sneaking suspicion that Terry Franco has possibly never heard of Paul Waner.
   144. Benji Gil Gamesh VII - The Opt-Out Awakens Posted: July 08, 2012 at 09:41 PM (#4176497)
I, for one, can't wait to see the decline phase of Jeter's career. Seeing the NY media do cartwheels pretending it's 1996 still will be fun to watch.
We're already there. .287/.348/.385 since that start of 2010. He had a great April this year, he's hitting for a 666 OPS since.

He's not a huge liability at the plate because he's still getting on base at a decent clip, but his days as any kind of offensive force. He's closer to the cliff than to a resurgence at this point.
   145. Dan Posted: July 08, 2012 at 09:43 PM (#4176499)
Check out Jeter's numbers against RHP over the last few seasons if you want to really see his decline. His complete inability to hit against RHP has been somewhat masked by his ability to continue to destroy LHP in his limited opportunities.
   146. Chip Posted: July 08, 2012 at 09:45 PM (#4176500)
Nova's pitch count is up, so let's HACK!
   147. Cowboy Popup Posted: July 08, 2012 at 09:45 PM (#4176501)
Check out Jeter's numbers against RHP over the last few seasons if you want to really see his decline. His complete inability to hit against RHP has been somewhat masked by his ability to continue to destroy LHP in his limited opportunities.

While you are looking at those numbers, could you maybe pass them along to the Yankee front office. They seem to be entirely unaware of it.

McCutchen in the HR derby? He is NOT a HR hitter, despite having good pop and generally being awesome.
   148. King Berenger Posted: July 08, 2012 at 09:46 PM (#4176503)
Cano wasn't a power hitter last year either.
   149. Dan Posted: July 08, 2012 at 09:47 PM (#4176504)
McCutchen in the HR derby? He is NOT a HR hitter, despite having good pop and generally being awesome.


This is what a lot of people were saying about Cano at this time last year. Just sayin'.
   150. Benji Gil Gamesh VII - The Opt-Out Awakens Posted: July 08, 2012 at 09:47 PM (#4176505)
[Aside to Biff -- thoughts on Coheed & Cambria? I'd say Primer mail me but mine apparently doesn't work and I don't know why?]
   151. Textbook Editor Posted: July 08, 2012 at 09:49 PM (#4176507)
#145--What's odd is that his BABIP against LHP the last two years is over .360... Is there a reason why you'd have a BABIP platoon split? His BABIP against RHP doesn't raise any eyebrows... Are teams overplaying him defensively when he faces a LHP or something, or is this just noise?

Because I could see if the BABIP goes down to normal levels, all of a sudden his production might seem ordinary against LHP and RHP.
   152. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: July 08, 2012 at 09:50 PM (#4176510)
[Aside to Biff -- thoughts on Coheed & Cambria? I'd say Primer mail me but mine apparently doesn't work and I don't know why?]

I really like the first two albums. The rest are kind of hit and miss to me.
   153. Lassus Posted: July 08, 2012 at 09:52 PM (#4176512)
I have thoughts on Coheed and Cambria - I loved them when I first heard them but a few repeated listenings a few years later did not hold them up as well as I thought they would.

Also, some guy claiming to be a location scout for them on a video they were shooting on a rooftop somewhere took a picture of the dog I was walking and my number, said they needed the dog for a rooftop crowd scene for a video, and then never called me.

That's all I got.
   154. Dan Posted: July 08, 2012 at 09:53 PM (#4176514)
Jeter hits the ball harder against LHP. Unlikely that he hits it hard enough to sustain a .360 BABIP, but it's not surprising that his BABIP is higher vs LHP.
   155. Benji Gil Gamesh VII - The Opt-Out Awakens Posted: July 08, 2012 at 09:53 PM (#4176515)
Aaaand...Sweeney's hurt.
   156. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: July 08, 2012 at 09:54 PM (#4176517)
Cool, another injury!
   157. Chip Posted: July 08, 2012 at 09:54 PM (#4176518)
Sweeney's dead.

Good job Jon Lester.
   158. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: July 08, 2012 at 09:54 PM (#4176519)
Sweeney went in hard there. Not sure if he crunched his face or jammed his knee on the dive.
   159. Jay Seaver Posted: July 08, 2012 at 09:54 PM (#4176520)
Man, I do not like the way Sweeney hit the wall, especially so soon after being on the concussion DL.
   160. Benji Gil Gamesh VII - The Opt-Out Awakens Posted: July 08, 2012 at 09:54 PM (#4176521)
Lassus, you're big on Muse right? Any of that cross over to C&C?
   161. Dan Posted: July 08, 2012 at 09:54 PM (#4176522)
And Sweeney gets another concussion, and will probably never play well again.
   162. Dan Posted: July 08, 2012 at 09:55 PM (#4176524)
I love Muse. I can take or leave Coheed & Cambria.
   163. Benji Gil Gamesh VII - The Opt-Out Awakens Posted: July 08, 2012 at 09:56 PM (#4176525)
Huh, that's a good point about the warning track in the triangle area -- would it be safer if there was grass a little deeper into that area?
   164. Chip Posted: July 08, 2012 at 09:56 PM (#4176526)
Cherington should never have made Sweeney dive into the wall like that.
   165. Dan Posted: July 08, 2012 at 09:56 PM (#4176527)
They're going to leave him in the ####### game after they lifted Gonzalez for a head cold? What the #### is wrong with this medical staff?
   166. King Berenger Posted: July 08, 2012 at 09:57 PM (#4176529)
Color-guy-who's-not-Francona has a point - is there any reason the Fenway warning track doesn't just do a little turn in the triangle?
   167. Lassus Posted: July 08, 2012 at 09:59 PM (#4176530)
Lassus, you're big on Muse right? Any of that cross over to C&C?

Yes. And, yes. But like Biff, I think some of those later albums bored me a bit. Wait, let me check if I have it so I can tell you which.... Yes - Good Apollo Vol. 4 #1 was disappointing upon a few listenings. And I still liked it, but not as much as I remembered liking the earlier stuff, the trouble of high expectations.

And, as you've asked, I'm not going to find the release of MUSE's olympic single to see if I like it or not.

   168. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: July 08, 2012 at 10:01 PM (#4176532)
And, as you've asked, I'm not going to find the release of MUSE's olympic single to see if I like it or not.

Word on the street is that it's extremely horrible. I haven't sought it out but I'm sure I'll hear it once the Olympics start anyway.

I wasn't as big on Muse's latest as a lot of people were. Absolution is my favorite of theirs.
   169. Chip Posted: July 08, 2012 at 10:01 PM (#4176533)
Really #### you Lester. [Said in advance of GS.]
   170. Textbook Editor Posted: July 08, 2012 at 10:01 PM (#4176534)

They're going to leave him in the ####### game after they lifted Gonzalez for a head cold? What the #### is wrong with this medical staff?


Is Kalish hung over? Yeah, this makes no sense.

I'm telling you, books will be written on how bad the Red Sox have handled injuries the past few years.
   171. Chip Posted: July 08, 2012 at 10:02 PM (#4176535)
He should be booed off the mound.
   172. Textbook Editor Posted: July 08, 2012 at 10:02 PM (#4176536)
I hear Muse and think Throwing Muses. There's no real logic to it.
   173. Lassus Posted: July 08, 2012 at 10:02 PM (#4176537)
Oy. Guys. I came here to feel better about the Mets losing to the Cubs. You are disappointing me.
   174. Dan Posted: July 08, 2012 at 10:02 PM (#4176538)
Lester sucks soo, so hard.
   175. Chip Posted: July 08, 2012 at 10:03 PM (#4176539)
Kalish is in Pawtucket.
   176. Dan Posted: July 08, 2012 at 10:04 PM (#4176541)
Oy. Guys. I came here to feel better about the Mets losing to the Cubs. You are disappointing me.


At least you got to see Rizzo play. Though he sucked today, he had a big series in the first few games. We're stuck watching Adrian Gonzalez's corpse over here.
   177. Jay Seaver Posted: July 08, 2012 at 10:05 PM (#4176542)
Is Kalish hung over? Yeah, this makes no sense.

Sent down to bring Sweeney up, IIRC. Good lord, does that leave Lillibridge the only "outfielder" on the bench?
   178. Lassus Posted: July 08, 2012 at 10:05 PM (#4176543)
Word on the street is that it's extremely horrible. I haven't sought it out but I'm sure I'll hear it once the Olympics start anyway.

Heh. I meant "now" not "not. I'm listening to it now.

It sounds like a greatest hits song. I mean, they've brought me enough joy, they can crash and burn for all I care, but I'd like them to be good.

I would have loved to have gotten the choir gig for this one. ;-)

Also, I was in NYC this week, and found out the morning after than my favoritest band in the history of earth - Redd Kross - played the previous night, when I was basically doing very little but dinner. Kind of devastating.
   179. Chip Posted: July 08, 2012 at 10:07 PM (#4176545)
Fenway fans say,"Who cares about the game, let's do The Wave! Can we sing 'Sweet Caroline' now?"
   180. Textbook Editor Posted: July 08, 2012 at 10:07 PM (#4176546)

Kalish is in Pawtucket.


Ah, well... So the backup OF is Lillibridge, but as we all know he #### in Valentine's corn flakes on the day he arrived as a joke, and as a result Valentine refuses to play him... So we leave the guy with the concussion in instead.
   181. Chip Posted: July 08, 2012 at 10:08 PM (#4176547)
Sweeney: not quite dead.
   182. Darren Posted: July 08, 2012 at 10:09 PM (#4176548)
The Red Sox highest paid plyers:

Gonzalez
Crawford
Beckett
Lackey
   183. Lassus Posted: July 08, 2012 at 10:10 PM (#4176550)
My girlfriend notes that like the previously awesome Duran Duran's View to a Kill most good bands when commissioned for a specific tune end up grinding out a stinker.
   184. Kurt Posted: July 08, 2012 at 10:11 PM (#4176553)
Hopefully this game will end before the HR derby starts.
   185. Benji Gil Gamesh VII - The Opt-Out Awakens Posted: July 08, 2012 at 10:11 PM (#4176554)
Heh. I meant "now" not "not. I'm listening to it now.

It sounds like a greatest hits song.


Link?

Wonder how that bodes for The 2nd Law.

I heard Absolution first, but I really like The Resistance. Like, a *lot*. And I'm not generally big on a lot of synth in my hard rock but I just think it works really really well on that one.

Ciriaco is going to need a nickname soon.
   186. Textbook Editor Posted: July 08, 2012 at 10:11 PM (#4176555)
The Red Sox highest paid plyers:

Gonzalez
Crawford
Beckett
Lackey


Who are 4 players who won't be on the next World Series-winning Red Sox team?
   187. Dan Posted: July 08, 2012 at 10:12 PM (#4176556)
Black Holes & Revelations > Absolution > The Resistance
   188. Darren Posted: July 08, 2012 at 10:14 PM (#4176558)
That's something Ortiz hasn't done much this year. He's really done a good job of going with the pitch.
   189. Dan Posted: July 08, 2012 at 10:15 PM (#4176559)
On some level, I think I'd have preferred a Yankees sweep, since it would disabuse us of notions of contention.
   190. Dan Posted: July 08, 2012 at 10:15 PM (#4176560)
That's something Ortiz hasn't done much this year. He's really done a good job of going with the pitch.


He learned it from Gonzalez last year, before Gonzalez forgot how to hit.
   191. Chip Posted: July 08, 2012 at 10:16 PM (#4176561)
That's something Ortiz hasn't done much this year. He's really done a good job of going with the pitch.


With Gonzalez out, someone had to take up the slack.
   192. Textbook Editor Posted: July 08, 2012 at 10:17 PM (#4176562)
I read #187 as a ranking of the players in #182 and chuckled.
   193. Benji Gil Gamesh VII - The Opt-Out Awakens Posted: July 08, 2012 at 10:19 PM (#4176566)
Ugh, that Olympic song is terrible.
   194. Dan Posted: July 08, 2012 at 10:22 PM (#4176568)
Hahahaha they're calling it a "cramp" in Gonzalez's shoulder? Yeah, and Lackey just had a bit of a cramp in his elbow last season.
   195. Darren Posted: July 08, 2012 at 10:22 PM (#4176570)
Did anyone mention that with 3 hits today, Youk is up to .262 .341 .426. That's not his line for the White Sox, that's what he's hitting for the year. 800 OPS by year's end.
   196. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: July 08, 2012 at 10:24 PM (#4176572)
I read #187 as a ranking of the players in #182 and chuckled.

I see the Black Holes, but where are the Revelations?

How do Jeter grounders always find the holes?
   197. Lassus Posted: July 08, 2012 at 10:25 PM (#4176573)
Sorry I was too slow, Benji -

Dan, I disagree with your ranking, Absolution is above Black Holes for me. I like a lot of the songs on Resistance but overall it seems a little played out. Again, love the band, but with few exceptions, most bands only have so many good albums in them.
   198. Dan Posted: July 08, 2012 at 10:27 PM (#4176575)
I think Absolution and BH&R are very close, and clearly the band's peak. I happen to prefer the latter by a slight margin, but they're both just fantastic. I agree that the Resistance is hit or miss.
   199. Benji Gil Gamesh VII - The Opt-Out Awakens Posted: July 08, 2012 at 10:27 PM (#4176577)
where are the Revelations?
Salty, WMB, Nava, Ross, Shoppach...
   200. Dan Posted: July 08, 2012 at 10:28 PM (#4176578)
Their earlier stuff is also hit or miss for me.
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