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Yankees (7-6) @ RedSox (4-8), Friday, April 20, 2012, 3:05 pm

NYY:Ivan Nova (25, RHP, 2-0, 4.15)
BOS:Clay Buchholz (27, RHP, 1-0, 9.82)

The Primer Chimp Posted: April 20, 2012 at 10:00 AM | 137 comment(s)
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1. Gamingboy Posted: April 20, 2012 at 01:54 PM (#4111445)

MLB Network having the coverage for anybody outside NE.

2. Fourth True Outcome Posted: April 20, 2012 at 02:39 PM (#4111506)

I'm glad MLB is streaming the Fenway ceremony, but the Jurassic Park music they're using is really distracting, and robs the broadcast of any crowd noise, which is too bad.

3. Gamingboy Posted: April 20, 2012 at 02:39 PM (#4111508)

I'm glad MLB is streaming the Fenway ceremony, but the Jurassic Park music they're using is really distracting, and robs the broadcast of any crowd noise, which is too bad.

Apparently it's actually being played there. As John Williams IS the composer for this thing....

4. Gamingboy Posted: April 20, 2012 at 02:40 PM (#4111510)

Saw on Twitter that they really did invite everybody. There are, like, one or two guys there who's only Red Sox experience was a inning pitched or so.

5. Fourth True Outcome Posted: April 20, 2012 at 02:41 PM (#4111515)

Apparently it's actually being played there. As John Williams IS the composer for this thing....

That makes it better, but it's still annoying that they're filling the mix with it, instead of including the crowd.

6. Fly should without a doubt be number !!!!! Posted: April 20, 2012 at 02:41 PM (#4111516)

One such guy.

7. Fly should without a doubt be number !!!!! Posted: April 20, 2012 at 02:42 PM (#4111517)

WEEI, btw, went to an ad and missed Tito's introduction. Gotta think that was intentional. Stay classy, Red Sox.

8. Gamingboy Posted: April 20, 2012 at 02:42 PM (#4111518)

Varitek, Wakefield and Ortiz wheel in Bobby Doerr and Johnny Pesky. That is awesome, and I'm not even a Red Sox fan.

9. Fly should without a doubt be number !!!!! Posted: April 20, 2012 at 02:44 PM (#4111521)

Is there a worse composer on earth than John Williams?

10. Fourth True Outcome Posted: April 20, 2012 at 02:50 PM (#4111531)

Is there a worse composer on earth than John Williams?

He's sort of a musical Thomas Kincade, isn't he?

11. Fly should without a doubt be number !!!!! Posted: April 20, 2012 at 02:52 PM (#4111533)

That's an amazing description. Absolutely perfect.

12. Dale Sams Posted: April 20, 2012 at 02:53 PM (#4111534)

I want one of those old off-white unis

13. Dale Sams Posted: April 20, 2012 at 03:01 PM (#4111544)

I had planned to just try and make the country's tri-centennial. Now my goal is to make Fenway's bi-centennial.

14. Flynn Posted: April 20, 2012 at 03:02 PM (#4111546)

It's so infuriating that the mic for MLB is hooked up to the motherf'ing PA, who is a clown, and we can't hear any crowd noise. I would have killed to hear Pedro and Tito's applause. And the WTF??? for Jose Canseco.

15. Flynn Posted: April 20, 2012 at 03:02 PM (#4111547)

Are we sure Pedro and Millar's bottles don't contain alcohol?

16. Fourth True Outcome Posted: April 20, 2012 at 03:07 PM (#4111551)

Bottle aside, I would bet Millar's blood does...

17. winnipegwhip Posted: April 20, 2012 at 03:07 PM (#4111553)

I want one of those old off-white unis

Go to one of those Chinese jersey websites within the next 48 hours and your wishes will probably be granted.

18. The Mohole* of David Wells (* - Piehole)

Posted: April 20, 2012 at 03:08 PM (#4111554)

Has the game started yet? Or is my MLB.tv just hung?

19. Gamingboy Posted: April 20, 2012 at 03:14 PM (#4111562)

Say, when Wrigley turns 100 in 2014, will they make a point of having the KC Royals be play against them in a interleague game, so that the teams can wear the authentic unis from the 1914 opener?

20. bunyon Posted: April 20, 2012 at 03:16 PM (#4111564)

I would have killed to hear Pedro and Tito's applause.

According to my source in the Red Sox front office, no one applauded.

21. Gamingboy Posted: April 20, 2012 at 03:17 PM (#4111566)

I still say Brian Roberts was safe and Bucholtz's no-no was a one-hitter.

22. Gamingboy Posted: April 20, 2012 at 03:18 PM (#4111568)

What is this.... the batters are wearing... HELMETS!?!?!!

They didn't have effing helmets in 1912!

23. Gamingboy Posted: April 20, 2012 at 03:19 PM (#4111569)

Pedroia apparently was using a 1912 glove there.

24. Dale Sams Posted: April 20, 2012 at 03:20 PM (#4111570)

I think that pretty much says it all for the 2011-2012 Sox right there.

25. Swedish Chef Posted: April 20, 2012 at 03:25 PM (#4111572)

I like these value-added scout things in Gameday: "Clay Buchholtz had Alex Rodrigues at 0-2 but couldn't get him out."

Genius!

26. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: April 20, 2012 at 03:42 PM (#4111589)

Disgraceful!

27. Dan Posted: April 20, 2012 at 03:43 PM (#4111591)

If the wind is carrying balls like that, Gonzalez's flyout looks pathetic.

28. Fly should without a doubt be number !!!!! Posted: April 20, 2012 at 03:43 PM (#4111592)

Pedro's applause has always been thunderous. Why would this time be any different?

29. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: April 20, 2012 at 03:44 PM (#4111593)

Why have there been so many terrible 0-2 pitches this season?

30. Fly should without a doubt be number !!!!! Posted: April 20, 2012 at 03:44 PM (#4111594)

This is going to be a bad baseball season.

31. Flynn Posted: April 20, 2012 at 03:44 PM (#4111595)

Eric ####### Chavez?

32. Dan Posted: April 20, 2012 at 03:45 PM (#4111596)

This team has to lead the league in 0-2 count home runs allowed. ####### weak.

33. Dan Posted: April 20, 2012 at 03:50 PM (#4111601)

Granderson's about to make this 5-0.

34. Dan Posted: April 20, 2012 at 03:54 PM (#4111607)

The Red Sox have now allowed 10 home runs on 2 strike counts already this year.

35. Dan Posted: April 20, 2012 at 03:57 PM (#4111610)

That looked like a home run, off the ledge on the top of the wall.

36. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: April 20, 2012 at 03:57 PM (#4111612)

I like this dance. It's a clear HR on review, the umps will come out and signal for the HR, but rest assured Girardi will come out to make a token argument.

37. Dan Posted: April 20, 2012 at 03:57 PM (#4111613)

And replay confirms.

38. Fly should without a doubt be number !!!!! Posted: April 20, 2012 at 03:58 PM (#4111614)

The radio guys are talking about a play that Tim Tschida miscalled on the field at Fenway Park against the Yankees, and for some reason still haven't mentioned the worst call in the history of baseball.

39. Dan Posted: April 20, 2012 at 03:58 PM (#4111615)

I like this dance. It's a clear HR on review, the umps will come out and signal for the HR, but rest assured Girardi will come out to make a token argument.

The best part is that the replay rules specifies that arguing the result of the review is an automatic ejection, but managers always argue it and never get tossed.

40. Fly should without a doubt be number !!!!! Posted: April 20, 2012 at 03:59 PM (#4111618)

I've never seen an argument over the result of a review. Usually the other manager comes out to have it explained, but I've never seen it as an argument.

41. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: April 20, 2012 at 03:59 PM (#4111619)

Guess Girardi didn't come out to argue. I'm kind of disappointed.

42. Dan Posted: April 20, 2012 at 03:59 PM (#4111620)

The way that bounced, it was obvious that it had ricocheted off that ledge. It was obvious in real time. The umpires apparently have 0 understanding of how balls bounce off of surfaces.

43. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: April 20, 2012 at 04:01 PM (#4111623)

I will accept the presence of Pedro in the booth despite my general disdain for booth guests.

44. Dan Posted: April 20, 2012 at 04:01 PM (#4111624)

What's the over/under for final score today? 10-9?

45. Fly should without a doubt be number !!!!! Posted: April 20, 2012 at 04:01 PM (#4111625)

Dan: It couldn't have been as obvious as the home run in Detroit.

46. Dan Posted: April 20, 2012 at 04:04 PM (#4111629)

Yeah, that ball in Detroit was pretty awful for similar reasons, and even more obvious.

47. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: April 20, 2012 at 04:05 PM (#4111630)

Great at bat there Cody.

48. Dan Posted: April 20, 2012 at 04:05 PM (#4111631)

Good lord, Cody Ross against RHP just needs to end.

49. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: April 20, 2012 at 04:06 PM (#4111632)

Apparently a Repko is what happens when three outfielders are hurt.

50. Dan Posted: April 20, 2012 at 04:07 PM (#4111634)

Ross and Repko batting 8th and 9th vs. RHP might as well be 2 pitchers being allowed to hit. What a disaster.

51. Answer Guy Posted: April 20, 2012 at 04:08 PM (#4111635)

Glad they got the run across before the great big black hole of suck that is the bottom of the order came to bat.

52. Flynn Posted: April 20, 2012 at 04:10 PM (#4111642)

There is really no baseball player I love more than Pedro. I'm so happy I got to see him several times in his prime, including at Fenway Park.

53. Answer Guy Posted: April 20, 2012 at 04:10 PM (#4111643)

Not that he's all that great, but is McDonald hurt too?

54. Fly should without a doubt be number !!!!! Posted: April 20, 2012 at 04:12 PM (#4111644)

The only ballplayer better than Pedro is Manny. To have seen both of them in their primes, together, was an incredible treat.

55. Answer Guy Posted: April 20, 2012 at 04:13 PM (#4111648)

Played hooky from work one time to watch Pedro pitch a getaway day game at Camden Yards back in the summer of 03. Got in trouble for it but it was still worth it. He threw a ####### gem of a game.

56. Fly should without a doubt be number !!!!! Posted: April 20, 2012 at 04:15 PM (#4111650)

I held in my hand a ticket to the Chili Davis game.

I did not attend. Ugh.

57. Fly should without a doubt be number !!!!! Posted: April 20, 2012 at 04:16 PM (#4111652)

The only better Pedro game was the Greatest Game Ever Pitched.

58. Answer Guy Posted: April 20, 2012 at 04:17 PM (#4111653)

Was also in the stands in B'more for Manny's #500 back in May 08. Probably the apex of Fenway South. Memorial Day weekend, Saturday night, fresh off a title. The end was near for Manny and the Sox and we kinda knew it by then, but the good times were good.

59. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: April 20, 2012 at 04:18 PM (#4111657)

I saw Pedro shut out Tampa Bay some time in 2004 at Fenway. At the time I thought it was possible it would be his last shutout, but he threw one in 2005 for the Mets.

60. Flynn Posted: April 20, 2012 at 04:21 PM (#4111662)

I didn't miss a Red Sox game in Oakland from 01-05, including the 03 playoffs. They were just so vital to me in those days, I planned my life around big games. I got to see Pedro pitch at Fenway Park in 2003, which was phenomenal as he went 9 and struck out Tim Salmon to end the game. 127 pitches was not a good idea, but when you're sitting in the loges in the slot between the ump and the right handed hitter (so you can call strikes from your seat), you don't really care.

61. Answer Guy Posted: April 20, 2012 at 04:24 PM (#4111666)

For some reason I drew Wakefield starts a lot when I went to Sox games.

Last game I went to was at Fenway vs. Oakland in August. He got shelled by the As. The Sox hadn't started the collapse yet then though. They ended in Baltimore, 4 miles from my house, but you couldn't have paid me enough to sit in those stands. I had a bad feeling...and I was 100% right about it.

62. Heinie Mantush (Krusty) Posted: April 20, 2012 at 04:25 PM (#4111669)

I'm really loving these retro unis. I think I actually prefer them to the Yankees and Red Sox typical attire. I think there's something to baggier uniforms and stirrups in baseball. It's just sort of... nice.

Also, Pedroia looks *really* tiny in a baggy uni.

63. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: April 20, 2012 at 04:34 PM (#4111680)

2 HR for Chavez? Seriously? He hit 2 homers ALL OF LAST YEAR.

64. Answer Guy Posted: April 20, 2012 at 04:39 PM (#4111687)

Early returns on Buc not so good.

65. Fly should without a doubt be number !!!!! Posted: April 20, 2012 at 04:42 PM (#4111690)

Bud Selig is not much of a talker.

66. Fly should without a doubt be number !!!!! Posted: April 20, 2012 at 04:46 PM (#4111696)

This is a joke.

67. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: April 20, 2012 at 04:46 PM (#4111697)

HR Derby!

68. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: April 20, 2012 at 04:54 PM (#4111702)

Is that 5 runs all on solo HRs?

69. Dan Posted: April 20, 2012 at 04:54 PM (#4111703)

You know, a lot of the blame for this team's start has gone on the pitching, but the offense has scored more than 3 runs precisely 5 of 12 games so far, and on their way to 5 of 13 if they don't wake the #### up.

70. Swedish Chef Posted: April 20, 2012 at 04:54 PM (#4111704)

This isn't at all like 1912 baseball.

71. Dan Posted: April 20, 2012 at 04:55 PM (#4111705)

Is that 5 runs all on solo HRs?

The first run was Jeter scoring after RoE and getting 2nd on a WP, with an ARod single driving him home.

72. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: April 20, 2012 at 04:56 PM (#4111709)

The first run was Jeter scoring after RoE and getting 2nd on a WP, with an ARod single driving him home.

Thanks. Gameday's summary confuses my aging brain.

73. Answer Guy Posted: April 20, 2012 at 04:57 PM (#4111712)

Is there a name for batting .100, like the Mendoza line except only half as good?

74. Swedish Chef Posted: April 20, 2012 at 04:59 PM (#4111715)

Is there a name for batting .100, like the Mendoza line except only half as good?

The Garth Brooks-abyss?

I seem to remember something about him hitting like that when he went to spring training.

75. Textbook Editor Posted: April 20, 2012 at 05:01 PM (#4111716)

Buccholz clearly needs to move back to the pen to close.

76. Answer Guy Posted: April 20, 2012 at 05:01 PM (#4111717)

OK...that's at least something. Perhaps with the good part of the lineup coming up something else good might happen and make a ballgame out of this.

77. Textbook Editor Posted: April 20, 2012 at 05:01 PM (#4111718)

And I need to learn to spell.

Editor, edit thyself...

78. Answer Guy Posted: April 20, 2012 at 05:05 PM (#4111720)

Oops, of course not. Nothing good is allowed to happen to this team right now. It's like that old MadTV skit about the "Angela's Ashes" board game.

79. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: April 20, 2012 at 05:07 PM (#4111722)

Is there a name for batting .100, like the Mendoza line except only half as good?

The most AB for a non-pitcher with a BA ~.100 is Antonio Perez, 2006 A's(Thanks B-Ref PI!!!). 98 AB with a 102/185/204 line.

I propose "the Perez line"!

80. Dan Posted: April 20, 2012 at 05:09 PM (#4111723)

The edit function working properly here would really ruin the whole stream of consciousness thing that makes chatter great.

81. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: April 20, 2012 at 05:09 PM (#4111724)

Why is he still pitching? I think our relievers can avoid giving up a HR per inning, since Melancon is in the minors.

82. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: April 20, 2012 at 05:09 PM (#4111726)

It's like that old MadTV skit about the "Angela's Ashes" board game.

Never read the book, but I always wondered, if they were always starving, how'd she get the money for the friggin' ciggies?

83. Dan Posted: April 20, 2012 at 05:11 PM (#4111728)

Buchholz hard at work perfecitng his 9.00 ERA.

84. Answer Guy Posted: April 20, 2012 at 05:11 PM (#4111729)

Good work on that, Snapper.

Mario Mendoza's lifetime BA was actually something like .215, so strictly going by accuracy should be named for someone else. But it sounds so awesome that it has to stick. Plus it's kind of famous now.

Sort of like how the Battle of Bunker Hill wasn't fought on Bunker Hill.

85. Swedish Chef Posted: April 20, 2012 at 05:12 PM (#4111732)

Nope, not at all like 1912 baseball.

It's nice of Buchholz not to allow any baserunners between the regular home runs.

86. Dan Posted: April 20, 2012 at 05:12 PM (#4111734)

I think that's the first time I've seen Yaz actually look happy to be back at Fenway.

87. Answer Guy Posted: April 20, 2012 at 05:13 PM (#4111735)

He is literally throwing BP out there, huh?

88. Dan Posted: April 20, 2012 at 05:15 PM (#4111738)

"2nd time in 2 weeks #RedSox starter has allowed 5 HR. It happened 5 times in previous 90 years.
"

89. Dan Posted: April 20, 2012 at 05:16 PM (#4111742)

This team has allowed 23 homers this year, 19 of those while Salty is catching.

90. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: April 20, 2012 at 05:17 PM (#4111743)

What's the record for solo HR's in a game?

5 has to be the record for a single pitcher, right?

91. Answer Guy Posted: April 20, 2012 at 05:18 PM (#4111744)

One would think, because it's hard to give up 5 HRs without men on base, and if any of them are multi-run shots, that's usually enough runs to send a starter to the showers.

92. Answer Guy Posted: April 20, 2012 at 05:21 PM (#4111747)

Wow...didn't realize that, #89.

Well, that was totally predictable.

Salty isn't a good enough hitter to be a full-time DH, esp. not on a team with Ortiz, Youkilis, and Gonzalez.

93. Answer Guy Posted: April 20, 2012 at 05:22 PM (#4111750)

I think I might want to see the start of the Lavernaway Era within a few weeks.

94. Answer Guy Posted: April 20, 2012 at 05:24 PM (#4111751)

I know I misspelled that. But I agree with #80, so it stays.

95. Dan Posted: April 20, 2012 at 05:24 PM (#4111752)

Why the #### is Buchholz still in this game?

96. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: April 20, 2012 at 05:25 PM (#4111755)

Why the #### is Buchholz still in this game?

So he can get to 6 solo HR and ensure the record is his for all time?

97. Answer Guy Posted: April 20, 2012 at 05:26 PM (#4111756)

Why the #### is Buchholz still in this game?

Probably something to do with having to start converted relievers against the Yankees each of the next two games. Not to mention the quality of the bullpen.

98. Dan Posted: April 20, 2012 at 05:26 PM (#4111757)

Valentine is a ####### moron.

99. Dan Posted: April 20, 2012 at 05:27 PM (#4111758)

Atchison looks 100% like a 1912 ballplayer, other than the hat clearing being modern.

100. Dan Posted: April 20, 2012 at 05:27 PM (#4111759)

clearly being modern*

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