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Friday, August 04, 2017

A Crucial Time

We are two series into a stretch of five that should tell us a lot about this team.

The just completed series against Milwaukee and Arizona were the first against winning teams since the All Star Break, and the Cubs split the six games. It would have been nice to come out ahead, but the overall picture was not bad. Four of the games were pitchers’ duels with six or fewer total runs, and the Cubs were not blown out in any of them—in fact, there has only been one blowout against the Cubs since the July 9th disaster against Pittsburgh (the 11-4 loss to St. Louis, which featured the dreaded nine-run inning). Both opponents played well overall.

The Cubs will now face their third straight winning team, Washington, followed by six out west, which of course, was the Cubs undoing at the end of May. After the series next weekend in Phoenix, the Cubs will face only two currently winning teams the rest of the season: Milwaukee (7 games) and Tampa Bay (2).

So here’s a fresh clean thread to talk about it!

Andere Richtingen Posted: August 04, 2017 at 10:05 AM | 107 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Brian C Posted: August 04, 2017 at 11:51 AM (#5506530)
Yesterday's loss was annoying but didn't bother me much. As long as the offense is putting up runs, this team will be fine. The 3-0 loss the day before that was way worse.

I'm a little concerned that Edwards is now walking just about 6 per 9 IP. He's kinda gone full Marmol on us lately - unhittable but still unreliable. His numbers since the beginning of June have actually been not very good.

On the bright side, Strop's calmed down a lot and has been excellent lately.
   2. Optimistic Moses Taylor, optimist Posted: August 04, 2017 at 12:16 PM (#5506538)
Russell to the DL. Zaztryzny up. That's a big bullpen.
   3. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: August 04, 2017 at 12:58 PM (#5506560)
Aug. 4:

1931 Cubs purchase Billy Herman from Louisville (AA) for $50,000
1932 Charlie Grimm's first game as manager
1937 Gabby Hartnett hitting streak hits 24 games, easily the longest of his career
1948 Ernie Harwell broadcasts his 1st MLB game -- Jackie Robinson steals home in it. BRK 5, CHC 4
1955 Ernie Banks hits 3 HR in one game off 3 different pitchers. CHC 11, PIT 10
1960 Billy Martin throws bat at Jim Brewer, then starts brawl in CIN-CHC game. Brewer's right cheek bone shattered
1968 WPA's worst Ernie Banks game: -0.458. 0-for-6, 1 K, 1 ROE, 2 GIDP
   4. Andere Richtingen Posted: August 04, 2017 at 01:53 PM (#5506599)
Russell to the DL. Zaztryzny up. That's a big bullpen.

14 pitchers! I wonder if this is just a one or two day thing, having burned through five relievers last night. Wilson, Duensing and Davis all threw at least 24 pitches, and Edwards was pretty sloppy.

I predict Zastryzny gets Maytag repairman duty.
   5. Spahn Insane, stimulus-funded BurlyMan™ Posted: August 04, 2017 at 03:24 PM (#5506642)
I'm just happy not to be dealing with the D'Back lineup. To evoke the specter of Jim Rice, for me there is no opposing hitter who inspires TEH FEAR as much as Paul Goldschmidt, and I would've said so even before yesterday's hat trick. Guy's ####### lethal.
   6. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: August 04, 2017 at 06:08 PM (#5506752)
John Lackey vs. Edwin Jackson tomorrow.
   7. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: August 04, 2017 at 07:32 PM (#5506793)
John Lackey vs. Edwin Jackson tomorrow.


Like the 1945 World Series, I don't think either of them can win.
   8. Brian C Posted: August 05, 2017 at 12:35 AM (#5506924)
Apropos of nothing in particular, Dylan Floro was claimed off waivers by the Dodgers, so his days of riding the Iowa Shuttle are over.
   9. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: August 05, 2017 at 10:41 AM (#5507017)
Aug. 5:
1894 fire breaks out in Chic's West Side Park in 5th innign. Crowd panis, hundreds injured, no deaths. Game is called
1901 Topsy Hartsel, CHC, hits 2 inside the park HR in 10-7 loss to CIN
1911 CHC manager Frank Chace suspends Joe Tinker & fines $150 for indifferent play. He's reinstated the next day
1913 Cubs trade Ed Reulbach to Brooklyn
1929 Rogers Hornsby walks 5 times in a game - only time that happens. Scores 2x. CHC 9, BRK 8 (16)
1930 11th consecutive game Hack Wilson has an RBI: 16-for-41, 19 runs, 3/1/7 xbh, 20 RBIs: .390/.510/1.024 OPS: 1534
1943 Cubs trade Bill Lee to Phillies
1944 1,000 games as manager: Charlie Grimm: 580-416
1966 WPA's favorite Ron Santo game: WPA 1.022. 3-for-5, 2 HR, 2 runs, 4 RBI, 1 K. 1 ROE. CHC 4, SFG 3. So he had all the team's RBIs
1979 Jack Brickhouse honored at Wrigley for his 5,000th game
1988 Worst start of Greg Maddux's career: Game Score 5 (2.1 IP, 11 H, 8 R, 8 ER, 0 BB, 2 K)
2014 MLB debut: Javier Baez. Hits game winning HR in top of 12th for the win (and his 1st MLB hit)

   10. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: August 05, 2017 at 11:20 AM (#5507038)
1966 WPA's favorite Ron Santo game: WPA 1.022. 3-for-5, 2 HR, 2 runs, 4 RBI, 1 K. 1 ROE. CHC 4, SFG 3. So he had all the team's RBIs


This made me look up the Sandberg game. He beats Santo 1.063 to 1.022. Among the many remarkable things about that game (besides Sandberg 5-6 7 RBI, 2 game trying HR and Willie McGee hitting for the cycle in a losing cause), is Bruce Sutter. Sutter came in with 2 out in the bottom of the 7th. He pitched the 8th, 9th (and gave up a game tying HR), and 10th (and gave up a game tying HR). he faced 15 batters over 4 innings.
   11. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: August 05, 2017 at 12:12 PM (#5507050)
and Willie McGee hitting for the cycle in a losing cause

Man, hitting for the cycle and getting completely overshadowed in the memories of that game? Willie McGee outta go out bowling with Keith Hernandez.
   12. Styles P. Deadball Posted: August 05, 2017 at 01:23 PM (#5507089)
Man, hitting for the cycle and getting completely overshadowed in the memories of that game? Willie McGee outta go out bowling with Keith Hernandez.


He was named player of the game that day by NBC because most of Sandberg's heroics came so late.
   13. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: August 06, 2017 at 09:39 AM (#5507367)
Aug. 6:
1884 Cap Anson hit 3 homers in 1 game
1959 MLB debut: Billy Williams
1978 MLB debut: Scott Sanderson (then with the Expos)
1981 NL owners agree to $20.5 million sale of CHC to the Tribune Company
1983 Walt Terrell, Met pitcher, hits 2 HR off of Ferguson Jenkins. Mets 4, Cubs 1
1989 Last time a reliever went at least 8 IP in outing: Scott Sanderson: 8 IP, 7 H, 1 R/ER, 2 BB, 5K. Cubs. Loses to Pit, 5-4 (18)
1998 Jack Brickhouse dies at age 82. Play-by-play 1941-81

   14. Optimistic Moses Taylor, optimist Posted: August 06, 2017 at 12:56 PM (#5507421)
Andere #4 - Yep, nailed it. Zaztryzny down today, LaStella up.
   15. Walks Clog Up the Bases Posted: August 06, 2017 at 03:28 PM (#5507464)
The emergence of Contreras has helped soothe the aches from Schwarber sorta bombing out.
   16. McCoy Posted: August 06, 2017 at 04:07 PM (#5507482)
A catcher hitting like an outfielder soothes a lot of aches.
   17. McCoy Posted: August 06, 2017 at 04:08 PM (#5507483)
Back to back for Contreras and Schwarber as I typed that!
   18. Walks Clog Up the Bases Posted: August 06, 2017 at 05:10 PM (#5507508)
Speaking of aches, carl Edwards has sure turned into #### the last couple weeks.
   19. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: August 06, 2017 at 05:53 PM (#5507517)
In his last 10 outings, Carl Edwards has allowed 10 runs (all earned) in 6.1 IP. Only five hits - but also 8 walks and a HBP. Three of the five extra base hits have been for extra bases.

ERA: 14.21
WHIP: 2.053
OAVG/OOBP/OSLG: .217/.438/.435
OOPS 873

I'd be perfectly fine if Maddon decides to push him at the back of the bullpen instead of constantly using him in key situations like he has been this week.
   20. John DiFool2 Posted: August 06, 2017 at 06:18 PM (#5507525)
I see that Schwarber has hit well since coming back. 29 K's in only 70 AB's tho...
   21. McCoy Posted: August 06, 2017 at 07:16 PM (#5507542)
And if fielding like shvt.
   22. Optimistic Moses Taylor, optimist Posted: August 07, 2017 at 06:47 AM (#5507660)
Looks like he had a bad game out there yesterday, but I still think his fielding issues are overblown. He's fine out there, IMO.

---

Not only has Edwards been really bad, Davis has been really shaky (since the beginning of July, he's allowed 10 hits and 9 BB in 10IP - I guess he's plenty rested) and Wilson has been pretty bad since arriving. If those 3 are unreliable, the entire pen looks bad. The next group down - Koji*, Strop, Rondon, Montgomery, Duensing** - are about the same and are always going to be hit or miss.

*He's just not fooling anyone anymore. He might just be bad?
**Once again, he's been better than anyone expected. Though still mostly LI - and lately he's been LOOGYing a lot.

---

Arrieta and Lackey have been better lately, but both still on the skaky side (or at least feel like that).
   23. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: August 07, 2017 at 09:19 AM (#5507698)
Aug. 7:
1864 Adonis Terry born
1884 Cubs sell Fred Goldsmith to Baltimore
1894 Bill Dahlen's then record 42 game hitting streak ends as he goes 0-for-6
1911 Joe Tinker hits 1B, 2B, & 3B against Christy Mathewson. Also steals home. Cubs 8, Giants 6
1921 CHC replace Johnny Evers as manager w/ Bill Killefer
1967 Cubs sell Curt Simmons to Angels
1970 Billy Williams is supposed to end his consecutive games played streak today, but called into service as pinch-hitter in the 9th. Gm #1,093
1980 Cubs give 15K Dave Kingman T-shirst at Wrigley. Kingman doesn't show up - instead at festival for a fee to promo Jet Ski
1987 1,000 hits: Ryne Sandberg. 872 games
2001 Steve "Mongo" McMichael ejected at Wrigley for insulting the ump during 7th inning strech. Ump: Angel Hernandez
2004 300 wins: Greg Maddux

   24. Optimistic Moses Taylor, optimist Posted: August 07, 2017 at 09:21 AM (#5507701)
After yesterday, Contreras has passed Rizzo for 2nd on the Cubs in bf-ref WAR. Willson has the highest BA of the regulars at .281 (trails only Jay and TLS - no one is hitting .300), has the highest SLG at .532 (blew past Rizzo and Byant, both who keep creeping closer to dropping to .500), is tied with Rizzo for the RBI lead at 70, trails only Rizzo in HR. While it's awesome to have this great of an offensive catcher*, it'd be nice for Bryant** and Rizzo to have a hot streak soon.

*Worth noting again, but he bottomed out on May 7th at .209/.280/.330 and has been hitting .309/.375/.610 in the 72 games since (19 of his 21 HRs in that stretch).
**He hasn't been bad lately, but the power is missing. He's at .287/.354/.414 since 7/8 with 2 HRs and 5 doubles (that date was cherry picked since he hit 2HR on 7/7).
   25. Optimistic Moses Taylor, optimist Posted: August 07, 2017 at 09:37 AM (#5507713)
Gerry Fraley @gfraley

Horrible news from Austin A-S that Don Baylor has passed. A remarkable man for his strength, courage and integrity.


No stories out yet I can find though.

Edit: link
   26. Optimistic Moses Taylor, optimist Posted: August 07, 2017 at 09:39 AM (#5507715)
nm
   27. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: August 07, 2017 at 10:04 AM (#5507742)
Comparing Kyle Schwarber's 2015 stats to his 2017 stats and the biggest difference?

He hit a single 1 in every 8 PA in 2015, but just 1 every 14 PA in 2017 so far. The rest - the power, the walks, the tons'o'Ks - are all roughly the same.
   28. Andere Richtingen Posted: August 07, 2017 at 10:44 AM (#5507785)
Schwarber's slash line in the 2nd half is quite good: .254/.343/.576. But he's a sloppy mess at the plate and I don't think it's sustainable. Since the ASB he has struck out 27 times in 67 PAs. I know, I know, who cares how he makes his outs, but that's higher than Jon Lester's career K rate as a hitter, and it's ~40% worse than what he showed in the first half (78 Ks in 277 PAs). And he just looks terrible at the plate. I don't think this is going to work out if it continues.

I think the jury is still out on his defense, and a few lead glove events don't necessarily reflect the big picture. UZR150 actually likes him in his 573 OF innings this season (16th among MLB OFers with >500 innings). But I think we have to put that stat through a bit of a common sense filter, and come short of labeling him as a good OFer.

Most importantly, I think his hitting flaws have not gone away, and he desperately needs to work on them.


   29. Pops Freshenmeyer Posted: August 07, 2017 at 12:01 PM (#5507897)
2001 Steve "Mongo" McMichael ejected at Wrigley for insulting the ump during 7th inning strech. Ump: Angel Hernandez

Heh, I was watching this game when it happened. It was totally warranted.
   30. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: August 07, 2017 at 12:07 PM (#5507906)
Heh, I was watching this game when it happened. It was totally warranted.


Seconded.
   31. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: August 07, 2017 at 12:17 PM (#5507920)
Looks like he had a bad game out there yesterday, but I still think his fielding issues are overblown. He's fine out there, IMO.

My optimism on this is definitely wavering.
   32. Spahn Insane, stimulus-funded BurlyMan™ Posted: August 07, 2017 at 12:32 PM (#5507944)
Heh, I was watching this game when it happened. It was totally warranted.

Seconded.


See, it's this sort of naked racism that's cost Angel Hernandez the crew chief and postseason assignments his stellar umpiring has long merited.
   33. Spahn Insane, stimulus-funded BurlyMan™ Posted: August 07, 2017 at 12:33 PM (#5507947)
In all seriousness, the McMichael incident was ####### awesome. Some of the best instant karma you'll ever see. Hernandez standing there staring at the press box in stunned indignation/humiliation was priceless.
   34. Charles S. hopes his opening day is b4 opening day Posted: August 07, 2017 at 12:44 PM (#5507961)
I still think his fielding issues are overblown. He's fine out there, IMO.

I've been with you a long time on this, but Schwarber's fielding is just getting tougher and tougher to defend. I've sat in the same seats at Wrigley since 1996. I have a pretty good sense off the bat of which balls should be caught. Schwarber absolutely gets to fewer of them than just about anyone else. I've seen Khris Davis out there, so I won't say that Schwarber is the worst, but what I thought was a fluke in the Mets playoff series is moving dangerously close to a trend.
   35. Andere Richtingen Posted: August 07, 2017 at 12:50 PM (#5507970)
Video of the McMichael incident here. Followed by video of the absolutely insane walkoff in the bottom of the 9th.
   36. McCoy Posted: August 07, 2017 at 12:58 PM (#5507989)
If Schwarber hits like Manny Ramirez then I won't care about his defense but he can't be hitting like a typical or less than typical left fielder and be a positive with that defense of his. Bad reads, bad attempts at catching the ball, bad throws. He's doing everything out there badly.
   37. Quaker Posted: August 07, 2017 at 01:14 PM (#5508012)
Assuming the Cubs get it together and make the playoffs, how much do you guys think NLDS tickets will run this year? Good seats, but not like front row. They have to be cheaper than last year, I'd hope.
   38. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: August 07, 2017 at 01:32 PM (#5508040)
In all seriousness, the McMichael incident was ####### awesome. Some of the best instant karma you'll ever see. Hernandez standing there staring at the press box in stunned indignation/humiliation was priceless.


Oh sure. But like with Betre and the on deck circle, it was both awesome and totally deserving of ejection.
   39. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: August 07, 2017 at 01:33 PM (#5508042)
Comparing Kyle Schwarber's 2015 stats to his 2017 stats and the biggest difference?

He hit a single 1 in every 8 PA in 2015, but just 1 every 14 PA in 2017 so far.


BABIP:

2015: .293
2017: .227
   40. Spahn Insane, stimulus-funded BurlyMan™ Posted: August 07, 2017 at 02:05 PM (#5508072)
But like with Betre and the on deck circle, it was both awesome and totally deserving of ejection.

Fair enough, though I'm curious what the limits of an umpire's authority to eject spectators are. Could the umpire issue a gag order against a PA announcer who makes disparaging comments toward an ump? (Not that that would happen...though there are times where it'd be funny as hell.)
   41. Spahn Insane, stimulus-funded BurlyMan™ Posted: August 07, 2017 at 02:07 PM (#5508075)
Assuming the Cubs get it together and make the playoffs, how much do you guys think NLDS tickets will run this year? Good seats, but not like front row. They have to be cheaper than last year, I'd hope.

Check back in with me in October and I'll tell ya. (FWIW, I think last year's LDS tickets were $55 face for season ticket holders in the 500-level/infield. I sold one pair for, I wanna say, $100-120 apiece on Stubhub. I don't imagine they'd be more expensive this year, but who knows.)

My seats are in 528, but they're definitely in the "good seats but not like front row" category--they offer great bang for your buck. They're about half the price of thousands of 200-level seats that offer a letterbox view (a result of the mezzanine suites, which keep you from even seeing the scoreboards from certain rows), poor sightlines, and the occasional pole. 528 gives you a view of the entire field except the right field corner, and an excellent view of the infield, particularly plays at first base.

If you're splurging at all, 400 level (upper deck box) is the way to go. But 500 level is a great value (with my biases acknowledged).
   42. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: August 07, 2017 at 02:12 PM (#5508081)
Fair enough, though I'm curious what the limits of an umpire's authority to eject spectators are.


Mongo wasn't a spectator. He was given the PA mike by the home team in order to address the crowd, and thus was a de facto employee of the home team. Team officials and employees due fall under the umpire's authority.

Could the umpire issue a gag order against a PA announcer who makes disparaging comments toward an ump?


I don't see why he couldn't.
   43. Spahn Insane, stimulus-funded BurlyMan™ Posted: August 07, 2017 at 02:13 PM (#5508084)
Followed by video of the absolutely insane walkoff in the bottom of the 9th.

I just wish it had the radio feed for the game-ending play. Ron Santo's reactions in the background (a series of groans and random interjections and "oh nooooo"s) while Pat Hughes called the insanity on the field were terrific. One of the most memorable radio sequences I've heard.
   44. Andere Richtingen Posted: August 07, 2017 at 02:17 PM (#5508091)
Assuming the Cubs get it together and make the playoffs, how much do you guys think NLDS tickets will run this year? Good seats, but not like front row. They have to be cheaper than last year, I'd hope.

I really doubt they will be cheaper than last year. I paid low $200s for bleachers (assigned seats, back row) through Stubhub, taxes and fees included.

One thing to consider is that SRO at Wrigley isn't so bad nowadays. It includes the bar underneath the CF scoreboard, which seems like a pretty decent vantage point for watching the game. I think if you arrive early SRO is not bad at all.

Fair enough, though I'm curious what the limits of an umpire's authority to eject spectators are. Could the umpire issue a gag order against a PA announcer who makes disparaging comments toward an ump? (Not that that would happen...though there are times where it'd be funny as hell.)

I am pretty sure the umpire has the right to eject anyone in the ballpark. While Hernandez is a terrible umpire, McMichael definitely crossed a line that I think deserved ejection.
   45. Pops Freshenmeyer Posted: August 07, 2017 at 02:19 PM (#5508093)
I've been with you a long time on this, but Schwarber's fielding is just getting tougher and tougher to defend. I've sat in the same seats at Wrigley since 1996. I have a pretty good sense off the bat of which balls should be caught. Schwarber absolutely gets to fewer of them than just about anyone else. I've seen Khris Davis out there, so I won't say that Schwarber is the worst, but what I thought was a fluke in the Mets playoff series is moving dangerously close to a trend.

My hope was that being a full time outfielder would give him the opportunity to iron out some of these issues. I am less optimistic on this front.
   46. Spahn Insane, stimulus-funded BurlyMan™ Posted: August 07, 2017 at 02:22 PM (#5508096)
I am pretty sure the umpire has the right to eject anyone in the ballpark. While Hernandez is a terrible umpire, McMichael definitely crossed a line that I think deserved ejection.

Oh sure--my question was more on the former point than the latter. (Though per Misirlou's response, is that authority limited to club employees or people under their direct control?)
   47. Andere Richtingen Posted: August 07, 2017 at 02:25 PM (#5508103)
Oh sure--my question was more on the former point than the latter. (Though per Misirlou's response, is that authority limited to club employees or people under their direct control?)

From MLB's Ask the Umpire page:

Can Major League umpires eject a fan? If so, how?
-- TF

Umpires are entrusted with maintaining discipline and order on the playing field, and sometimes fans can interfere with order on the field. Security at the Major League level normally precludes the necessity of an umpire causing a fan to be removed, but this does happen on rare occasion. Umpires are thick-skinned by nature and ignore comments-however inflammatory-from fans.
   48. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: August 07, 2017 at 02:26 PM (#5508105)
So, speaking of spectators being ejected - as party of my Quixotic struggle against the in-game dicking around, I sometimes think I should buy one of the front-row seats behind home plate at Wrigley, where you're on camera for pretty much every pitch, probably for an ESPN game. I would bring a series of signs reading, for example, "Your batting gloves are tight enough already," "Go over the signs before the game," "Stop messing around and play baseball," etc. They would be large enough to be easily read on camera, but small enough not to obstruct anyone's view, and I would display them as necessary/appropriate during dicking-around breaks in the game (not while a pitch is being made). I wouldn't hold them up, just resting them on the low wall in front of me, again so as not to block people's view. Do you think I'd get kicked out right away, or would it get the announcers talking, get picked up by Sportscenter and launch a glorious revolution?

P.S. No, I am not actually going to do this. I am not a crackpot.

P.P.S. I don't think I'm actually going to do this.
   49. Spahn Insane, stimulus-funded BurlyMan™ Posted: August 07, 2017 at 02:26 PM (#5508106)
I think if you arrive early SRO is not bad at all.

That may be the case from the center field bleachers SRO area (never been out there, but it makes sense that'd be a good view--for one thing, that area's heavily elevated), but I'd beg to differ as to the SRO areas in the main grandstand. Same letterbox view you get from about rows 10 and up in the 200-level, only you're not seated, plus you get your view constantly blocked by foot traffic right in front of you.

Then again, if it were a choice between attending and not attending a postseason game, I guess it might be worth it; it would not be for a regular season game IMO.
   50. Spahn Insane, stimulus-funded BurlyMan™ Posted: August 07, 2017 at 02:30 PM (#5508113)
No, I am not actually going to do this.

Ah, you're no fun anymore.

Should you actually go through with this, I would insist you let me know ahead of time so I'd be sure to watch.
   51. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: August 07, 2017 at 02:51 PM (#5508149)
Umpires are entrusted with maintaining discipline and order on the playing field, and sometimes fans can interfere with order on the field. Security at the Major League level normally precludes the necessity of an umpire causing a fan to be removed, but this does happen on rare occasion. Umpires are thick-skinned by nature and ignore comments-however inflammatory-from fans.


Yes. I see no contradiction in an umpire ejecting a team or ballpark official or employees for something he would ignore from a fan. As an obvious example, a player or manager arguing balls and strikes vs a fan doing so. A PA announcer saying "Hey, that was obviously a strike. C'mon blue" would warrant ejection, and probably suspension.
   52. Charles S. hopes his opening day is b4 opening day Posted: August 07, 2017 at 02:51 PM (#5508150)
#48, I am going to have to disagree with you on that one. Based on your persona here, and the brief meetings we've had at the ballpark, I think the evidence is pretty strong that you are a crackpot.
   53. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: August 07, 2017 at 02:54 PM (#5508153)
Should you actually go through with this, I would insist you let me know ahead of time so I'd be sure to watch.


I'd kick in a few bucks for his tickets.
   54. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: August 07, 2017 at 03:01 PM (#5508158)
#48, I am going to have to disagree with you on that one. Based on your persona here, and the brief meetings we've had at the ballpark, I think the evidence is pretty strong that you are a crackpot.

<Adds photograph of Charles S. to collage on wall, draws line with arrow to the Fed.>
   55. Pops Freshenmeyer Posted: August 07, 2017 at 03:03 PM (#5508161)
I'm partial to yarn and thumbtacks myself. It makes it easier to change things around when the Illuminati come snooping.
   56. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: August 07, 2017 at 03:08 PM (#5508166)
That's exactly what they WANT you to believe. You know how easy it is to put a bug in a thumbtack these days?
   57. Andere Richtingen Posted: August 07, 2017 at 03:15 PM (#5508177)
I'd beg to differ as to the SRO areas in the main grandstand.

You know, now that I start looking it up, I might be misinformed about what the situation is with SRO in the bleachers. I can't find any info about SRO except on the main level of the grandstand. When I was there last year I specifically asked an employee about where someone could stand who had an SRO ticket and was told that standing at the bar was okay, but now I wonder if that was a misunderstanding.

Do you think I'd get kicked out right away, or would it get the announcers talking, get picked up by Sportscenter and launch a glorious revolution?

I am going to guess no to getting kicked out right away (assuming the signs are reasonable in size and content) and yes to being picked up.
   58. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: August 07, 2017 at 03:31 PM (#5508195)
I am going to guess no to getting kicked out right away (assuming the signs are reasonable in size and content) and yes to being picked up.


Just spitballing here, but wouldn't it be SOP for the ushers to check for content of any signs before you take your seat? I mean, what if during a pitch, you hold up a \"#### you Trump you ############# cockholster!" sign and that gets seen on national TV? Sure, you will likely get swiftly kicked out, but it can't be unseen and the damage is already done to the ambarassment of the home team.
   59. Pops Freshenmeyer Posted: August 07, 2017 at 03:32 PM (#5508198)
That's exactly what they WANT you to believe. You know how easy it is to put a bug in a thumbtack these days?

Now I know whose picture my next thumbtack will be holding up.
   60. Pops Freshenmeyer Posted: August 07, 2017 at 03:33 PM (#5508201)
Just spitballing here, but wouldn't it be SOP for the ushers to check for content of any signs before you take your seat? I mean, what if during a pitch, you hold up a \"#### you Trump you ############# cockholster!" sign and that gets seen on national TV? Sure, you will likely get swiftly kicked out, but it can't be unseen and the damage is already done to the ambarassment of the home team.

Don't they have the broadcast delay for this sort of thing?
   61. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: August 07, 2017 at 03:38 PM (#5508205)
what if during a pitch, you hold up a \"#### you Trump you ############# cockholster!" sign

That would be my next mission.
   62. Quaker Posted: August 07, 2017 at 03:38 PM (#5508207)
So I could def get tickets to NLDS Gms 3 and 4 (if necessary) for less than a combined $1000 with a decent view?

I think I sat in Sect 120 for the WS last year, which was very expensive.
   63. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: August 07, 2017 at 03:39 PM (#5508211)
So I could def get tickets to NLDS Gms 3 and 4 (if necessary) for less than a combined $1000 with a decent view?

How many for each game? If you're just talking about a single, yeah, that should be do-able.
   64. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: August 07, 2017 at 04:02 PM (#5508233)
Don't they have the broadcast delay for this sort of thing?


Yeah, I guess that's true. You wouldn't even need an offensive sign, just drop throu and moon the camera. How do they handle such things? "Well, that curve for strike 3 was a thing of beauty, but be couldn't show you because of the idiot in the 3rd row."

OTTOH, as a way to mitigate having to interrupt the broadcast, I still think they might censor the signs before you take your seat.
   65. Quaker Posted: August 07, 2017 at 04:15 PM (#5508241)
Yes, just one ticket for each.
   66. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: August 07, 2017 at 04:18 PM (#5508243)
It seems fairly likely that teams have an overall policy of no signs in the on-camera seats behind the plate, because if they didn't, I would bet that people would bring signs all the time that say "It's my birthday" or "Hi mom" or "John 3:16" or whatever. I mean, given the amount of "Hey, I'm on my cell phone, can you see me at home?? Here I am! (wave wave)" people, you'd have to think a lot of them would bring signs if they could, right?
   67. Spahn Insane, stimulus-funded BurlyMan™ Posted: August 07, 2017 at 04:49 PM (#5508268)
So I could def get tickets to NLDS Gms 3 and 4 (if necessary) for less than a combined $1000 with a decent view?

One seat per game? Yeah, almost certainly. I'd say you could probably get two per game for that kind of money, though I suppose if one of the games was potential Cubs clincher you'd pay more (duh).

   68. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: August 08, 2017 at 09:00 AM (#5508578)
Aug. 8:

1893 George Van Haltren wild throw rolls the ball into a rat hole under grandstand, allowing Sam Dungan, PIT to score from 1st in game against CHC
1904 200th game Frank Selee and Ned Hanlon manage against each other
1913 last game: Lew Richie, Cub pitcher
1927 PIT manager benches Kiki Cuyler - fined him $50 for not sliding. Cuyler will be used sparingly rest of year & traded 11/28 to the Cubs
1931 Charlie Root's worst GmSc (10): 1.1 IP, 8 H, 7 R/ER, 0 BB, 0 K
1963 back-to-back pinch hit HR by Frank Howard & Moose Skowron for LAD vs CHC (cubs win 5-4)
1968 Ump Chris Pelakoudas accuses Phil Regan, CHC, of using 3 illegal pitches, nullifying 3 outs. Durocher, 2 others ejected. Fans hostile
1984 CHC manager Jim Frey ejected for 2nd straight game (last time: intentional HBP. This time: throwing at a batter)
1988 rainout at first night game in Wrigley Field
1989 Anthony Rizzo born
1997 Cubs trade Brain McRae, Mel Rojas and Turke Wendell to NYM for Lance Johnson & two player to be named later
2010 Jody Davis, Bosie Hawks managr, suspended 6g & fined for pulling team off field (forfeit). Said it was unsafe due to rain, umps disagreed

   69. Spahn Insane, stimulus-funded BurlyMan™ Posted: August 08, 2017 at 10:09 AM (#5508661)
1931 Charlie Root's worst GmSc (10): 1.1 IP, 8 H, 7 R/ER, 0 BB, 0 K

Charlie Root and Kyle Schwarber are both from Middletown, Ohio. (I didn't know that about Root until looking at his bbref page just now...)
   70. Brian C Posted: August 08, 2017 at 11:14 AM (#5508771)
Cubs trade Brain McRae, Mel Rojas and Turke Wendell to NYM for Lance Johnson & two player to be named later

Interestingly, both PTBNL were major league players: Mark Clark and Manny Alexander

That's a lot of major league players in a trade that ended up having any few actual ramifications for either team. I guess Wendell had a couple of vaguely decent seasons out of the Mets pen.
   71. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: August 08, 2017 at 11:43 AM (#5508813)
Man, I had forgotten how terrible Lance Johnson was for the Cubs. I remember him as a good player, but he put up 0.7 WAR in two years and change. He had a 7.2 WAR season for the Mets at age 32 and then just dropped off a cliff into oblivion. Was there some sort of catastrophic injury that I'm forgetting about?
   72. Optimistic Moses Taylor, optimist Posted: August 09, 2017 at 06:13 AM (#5509451)
Sahadev Sharma‏ @sahadevsharma 5h5 hours ago

Maddon as pointed as he gets in post: We're playing like that .500 team that we were in the 1st half & I don't like it. We gotta get sharper
   73. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: August 09, 2017 at 09:26 AM (#5509512)
Aug. 9:

1889 Hugh Duffy hits 2 inside the park HR off of John Clarkson in one game
1906 Cubs Jack Taylor has his 187th consecutive CG - includes 18 & 19 inning games. (plays Brk)
1913 Cubs trade Lew Richie to KC (AA) get Hippo Vaughan
1915 George Cuthshaw, BRK, becomes first NL player in 14 years and 1st MLB player in 13 years to get 6 hits in a game. Beat CHC 13-0
1942 Maybe Stan Hack's best game: 5-for-5 w/ 4 BB, and 1 SH in 10 PA. CHC 10, CIN 8 (18). 1 2B
1942 CHC 10, CIN 8 (18): CIN ties it in the btm of the 9th, 10th, and 12th. 25 BB total. 44 LOB (23 CHC)
1946 1st time all major leage game played under lights
1959 1,000 hits: Ernie Banks: 876 games
1963 Roger Craig's 18 game losing streak ends on Walk-Off Slam by Jim Hickman, Mets 7, Cubs 3. First win since April 29
1974 last game: Dick Selma, former Cub
1988 CHC 6, NYM 4 in first night game at Wrigley Field - yesterday's contest rained out
1988 300 saves: Rich Gossage, CHC.over NYM
1989 Jason Heyward born
2001 Sammy Sosa hits 3 HR in one game for the 3rd time
2005 Cubs trade Mike Remlinger & cash to BOX for minor leaguer
2013 Dan Haren: 13th pitcher to beat all teams. Leiter, K. Brown, Mulholland, Schilling, W.Williams, Moyer, Unit, Zito, Vazquez, Padilla, Lowe, Burnett

   74. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: August 09, 2017 at 10:56 AM (#5509606)
Oh, and I missed one:
2008 Mich Hoffpauir, Iowa Cubs, hits 4 homers & flies out to left in the 9th.
   75. Optimistic Moses Taylor, optimist Posted: August 09, 2017 at 11:07 AM (#5509617)
Is that supposed to 2015 on Haren? Or did he beat the Cubs on this day in 2013?
   76. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: August 09, 2017 at 11:38 AM (#5509662)
Is that supposed to 2015 on Haren? Or did he beat the Cubs on this day in 2013?

It's 2013. I dunno who the 30th team he beat was.

I just threw that one in.
   77. Optimistic Moses Taylor, optimist Posted: August 09, 2017 at 12:45 PM (#5509749)
Maddon's magic 8 ball spit out this lineup to face Bumgarner today: Zobrist(RF)/Almora/Bryant/Contreras(1B)/Happ(2B)/Baez/Schwaber/Avila/Hendricks
   78. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: August 09, 2017 at 02:05 PM (#5509880)
Maddon's magic 8 ball spit out this lineup to face Bumgarner today: Zobrist(RF)/Almora/Bryant/Contreras(1B)/Happ(2B)/Baez/Schwaber/Avila/Hendricks

So yesterday's birthday boy & today's birthday boy are sitting out today's afternoon game. Sounds like they might have celebrated a bit last night.
   79. Optimistic Moses Taylor, optimist Posted: August 09, 2017 at 02:08 PM (#5509883)
Sahadev Sharma‏ @sahadevsharma 16m16 minutes ago

Koji Uehara expected to go on the DL with a sore neck. Cubs being proactive and letting him heal. Grimm should be in SF soon ready for game.


Whiplash?
   80. Optimistic Moses Taylor, optimist Posted: August 10, 2017 at 03:20 AM (#5510315)
Joe's already said Willson is going on the DL with his hamstring pull, and they're also getting an MRI. Ugh.
   81. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: August 10, 2017 at 09:20 AM (#5510368)
Aug. 10:

1859 Larry Corcoran, pitcher,born
1909 Ed Reulbach wins 14th straight
1912 Johnny Evers pushes ump Bill Finneran after he challenges Evers to fight under the stands after a game
1957 MLB debut: Milt Pappas (with Orioles)
1969 Don Sutton ends his 13-game losing streak. LAD 4, CHC 2
1975 last game: Bill Hands, who won 20 games for the 1969 Cubs
2001 PIT selects Gary Mathews Jr off waivers from the Cubs
2001 Lou Boudreau dies
2002 Sammy Sosa hits 3 HR in one game for a record-tying 6th time. 9 RBI
2006 last game: Mark Prior
2009 Troy Tulowitzki hits for the cycle & 7 RBI for COL in 11-5 win over CHC
2011 CHC unveil statue of Ron Santo outside Wrigley Field

   82. Andere Richtingen Posted: August 10, 2017 at 09:54 AM (#5510390)
I think if a player pulls his hamstring like that and it doesn't feel 100% better very quickly, he's getting an MRI. Hopefully no damage will be found.
   83. McCoy Posted: August 10, 2017 at 09:59 AM (#5510396)
Don't look now but the cardinals are only 1.5 games back
   84. Pops Freshenmeyer Posted: August 10, 2017 at 11:00 AM (#5510424)
That Avila acquisition is looking pretty important right now.
   85. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: August 10, 2017 at 11:06 AM (#5510431)
That Avila acquisition is looking pretty important right now.

Yeah, but if Avila becomes the starter, now they're going to have to go out and trade for *another* backup chock full of veteranny goodness! Who do they give up this time?
   86. Spahn Insane, stimulus-funded BurlyMan™ Posted: August 10, 2017 at 01:17 PM (#5510555)
The Contreras injury makes me sick; the only silver lining is the Cubs having capable reinforcements at his position. Willson may have become my favorite Cub, so I'm upset by this even beyond the effect on the team's performance.
   87. Andere Richtingen Posted: August 11, 2017 at 09:08 AM (#5511124)
Here is what "sources" are saying, via Patrick Mooney:

It doesn’t look like Willson Contreras suffered a season-ending injury, but the high-energy Cubs catcher is expected to miss a significant portion of the National League Central race.

ESPN reported that Contreras will be sidelined for at least two weeks during a recovery process that could take more than a month. Cubs president Theo Epstein declined to comment on the possibility this could be a season-ending injury during an appearance on the team’s flagship radio station. That’s an early read on Contreras after Thursday’s MRI on his right hamstring in Arizona, according to two sources familiar with the situation, though the Cubs haven’t revealed their plans for one of their most valuable players.
...

“I don’t want to speculate about that,” Epstein told WSCR-AM 670. “If it was a typical hamstring strain, you’re usually looking at four-to-six weeks, and that would give him a chance to come back with a little bit of the season left. But it’s really premature.”


Contreras has carried the team since the ASB, with 1.4 WAR and .440 wOBP. It's time for other good players to pick it up.
   88. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: August 11, 2017 at 11:58 AM (#5511246)
Aug. 11

1907 CHC sweep d-header vs PHI 1-0, and 1-0
1923 Gabby Hartnett's 7th career HR is his 2nd walkoff HR. He'll hit one more walkoff HR in his career
1966 Randy Hundley hits for the cycle. 2nd Cub in less than four weeks to do it - Billy Williams
1968 Billy Williams hits his 4th/last inside the park HR; 1st one in 5 years. Top of 15th inning! 3 RBI. Latest of any HR he hits
1972 Maybe Milt Pappas's best day batting: His only 3-for-3 game: Also: a 2B, a HR, 1 R, 5 RBI & a walk (either this or his 2 HR gm)
1976 catcher hits 2 triples in a game: Steve Swisher, CHC vs CIN
1986 CHC-PIT game called for darkness 4/20 completed. Barry Bonds w/ game-winning RBI - he was in minors when game began. CHC use 10 P
1989 Ryne Sandberg homers in 5th straight game: 10-for-20 w/ 1/0/6 xbh
1992 in btm 11th, MTL's John Wettland gives IW to Mark Grace (CHC) on 11 pitches. Buncha fouls. 0 out, runner on 2nd, Mtl wins in 17
1994 MLB players go on strike at the conclusion of today's games. SEA 8, OAK 1 ends 1 AM EST, and that's it
2003 Kerry Wood strikes out his 1,000th batter: fastest man to do so in MLB history
2013 2,000 hits: Alfonso Soriano. 1,864 games
   89. Optimistic Moses Taylor, optimist Posted: August 11, 2017 at 06:26 PM (#5511568)
@CSNMooney: #Cubs project 4-to-6 week timetable for Willson Contreras to recover from a moderate right hamstring strain.

@CSNMooney: Willson Contreras will take 2 weeks off in hopes of getting pain-free, at which point #Cubs can ramp up rehab process with hamstring.
   90. Andere Richtingen Posted: August 11, 2017 at 07:13 PM (#5511585)
I feel like if this team can't overcome losing a single player in early August, then fine, this team wasn't good enough. But there are a lot of players who could step up right now and make up for it. What better time to start than in this series in Phoenix.
   91. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: August 12, 2017 at 09:56 AM (#5511822)
Aug. 12:

1880 CHC, after winning its first 21 home games of the year, finally loses one. Last did that on 8/25/79
1916 Sporting News announces Charles Weegham will be 1st to allow fans to keep balls hit into stnds (policy supposedly began on April 29)
1928 Bob Buhl, MLB, born
1930 CHC 3, BRK 2 (10). Dazzy Vance allows 14 H & 4 BB in first 9 innings. BRK loads bases in 9th & 10th innnings but get 0 runs
1974 Matt Clement born
1977 Steve Carlton homers off of Rick Reushcel
1981 200 losses: Ferguson Jenkins: (263-200). Not on the Cubs at the time, but it's Fergie Jenkins
2008 jackass at Wrigley thows his drink on Shane Victorino. Also: Pedro Martinez's Philly debut. PHI 12, CHC 5
2011 Carlos Zambrano, CHC, ejected for throwing at ATL's Chipper Jones after allowing 5 HR in 4.1 IP. Then cleans out locker, saying he's retiring
2015 Anthony Rizzo, CHC, jumps on tarp and into stands to catch a foul ball


   92. Andere Richtingen Posted: August 12, 2017 at 10:24 AM (#5511824)
2015 Anthony Rizzo, CHC, jumps on tarp and into stands to catch a foul ball

Charles, Spahn, Face and I were there for that one. I was saying "Don't do it, don't do it!" But he did it.
   93. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: August 13, 2017 at 01:30 AM (#5512248)
Kyle Schwarber's Saturday night:

1. swing & miss
2. take a strike looking
3. take a ball
4. fouls one off
5. swing and miss
6. take a ball
7. take a strike looking
8. swing and miss
9. swing and miss
10. swing and miss
11. swing and miss
12. swing and miss
13. take a strike looking
14. swing and miss
15. take a strike looking

4 PA. 4 Ks - just 15 pitches. 9 swings: 1 foul and 8 misses.

On July 27 he hit 2 homers and a triple in a game against the White Sox & that was high tide on my feelings on his return. Since then he's 7-for-34 with 20 strikeouts.

OK, and four walks, a double & two homers. But 20 strikeouts in 34 at bats.

Slash line of: .206/.289/.412. Four runs scored and two RBIs. Huh. He hasn't driven in anyone but himself in over two weeks - despite batting 5th or 6th in the order most times.

And made one error in 13+ chances (13 chances prior to tonight - no idea how many he had in this game).

Yeah, it's only a brief time period and all that, but ...... he ain't inspiring much confidence this year.
   94. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: August 13, 2017 at 10:38 AM (#5512287)
Aug. 13:

1887 for the 2nd time, John Clarkson hits 2 HR in one game. This time of Pretzles Getzine, who allows 4 HR to J.C. in his career
1897 Clark Griffith pitches his first shutout after 7 seaons in the bigs. He reputedly considers them to be bad luck
1906 Jack Taylor of Cubs knocked out in the 3rd vs. Brk - ending his streak at 187 CG
1922 Charles Hollocher, CHC, hits 3 triples against STL
1932 Judge Landis clears recently fired Cubs manager Rogers Hornsby of fraudulently "borrowing" $ from CHC players
1932 Charlie Root's worst day batting: 0-for-4 w/ 4 Ks: his only 4 K game
1959 SFG-CHC set record ofr longest 9 inning game in history: 3 hours, 50 mintes: CHC 20, NYG 9
1959 Ernie Banks walks four times in one game: 1-for-2, 1 2B
1969 CHC lead NL East by 8.5 games
1973 Cubs purchse Rico Carty from Rangers
1979 3,000 hits: Lou Brock. 2,586 games. W/ STL against CHC
1979 Corey Patterson born
1985 Cubs release Larry Bowa
1987 Cubs retire Billy Williams' number (26)
2008 MLB debut: Francisley Bueno - also his last game. He's ejected for throwing at Alfonso Soriano in ATL-CHC game. Oops
2011 Dan Uggla, ATL, has his hit streak max at 33 games. He hit .377/.438/.762 in it after going .173/.241/.327 before it. Vs. CHC this game

   95. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: August 13, 2017 at 11:17 AM (#5512291)
Charles, Spahn, Face and I were there for that one. I was saying "Don't do it, don't do it!" But he did it.

Oh, man, that was great. I was thinking "He's not really going to...wow, he really is...holy crap, he did!"
   96. Optimistic Moses Taylor, optimist Posted: August 13, 2017 at 01:25 PM (#5512334)
I'm really going out on a ledge here, but I have to say it. Schwarber is really not having a good year. I don't think we're going to see any real improvement before the year ends. So that really means there's a legit chance he's just not going to be good.
   97. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: August 13, 2017 at 05:56 PM (#5512462)
Slash line of: .206/.289/.412. Four runs scored and two RBIs. Huh. He hasn't driven in anyone but himself in over two weeks - despite batting 5th or 6th in the order most times.

I found this one so impressive, I had to dig deeper....

He's had 14 PA with runners on base. He's 1-for-13 with a walk. The 12 outs consist of: 9 strikeouts, 2 pop ups, and a line out (to deep center, with the bases loaded, to end the game in Milwaukee on July 29). That's just ..... I mean, I know it's a small sample size and I'm cherry picking my endpoints and .... still, that's something. Just 4 balls in play - and two of them pop ups, the easiest ball in play to turn into outs.

The hit was a single, that advanced a runner from first to third on August 3. The walk came with runners on the corners on August 11.

With runners in scoring position, he's 0-for-6 with a walk. 4 Ks.

Oh, wait - I forgot about today's game. Right now, he's 0-for-3 with 3 Ks. Man... Twice up withe men on, including once with runners on.

So 1-for-15 with runners on, 11 Ks, and 2 pop ups.

0-for-7 with runners in scoring base.

But at least his at bats are longer when he strikes out than they were yesterday.
   98. Walt Davis Posted: August 13, 2017 at 09:52 PM (#5512512)
He HR'd today so maybe he's coming out of it but Happ since the AS break: 212/303/303 with 22 K in 76 PA. Well 22 for 77 now and his 2nd HR.

Javy since the break, not including today's 2-4 with 1 HR: 300/349/575 ... with now 30 K and 7 HR in 90 PA.

Russell was also hitting well at 306/338/565 while Zobrist continues to struggle (239/320/330).

Cub SPs had a 4.66 ERA pre-break, 3.23 since ... but as we've all noticed, the pen has gone the other direction from 3.23 to 4.28 and the only ones pitching well are the lower-leverage ones (possibly becoming higher-leverage relievers). Edwards' bizarre line against of 167/380/306.
   99. The Honorable Ardo Posted: August 13, 2017 at 10:04 PM (#5512515)
I don't know the home run tracker distance, but Javy's dinger was among the hardest-hit balls I've ever seen.
   100. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: August 14, 2017 at 12:57 AM (#5512573)
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