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Gonfalon Cubs— Cubs Baseball for Thinking Fans
Monday, August 22, 2011
GM Candidates
Now that the Cubs have finally fired Jim Hendry, I thought it’d be a good time to see if this blog thing still works. I’ve decided to create a thread listing the potential candidates, and anytime I see any sort of update, I’ll put it in this thread. If I miss a story, please feel free to add it yourself.
The early candidates include:
Billy Beane
Brian Cashman
Andrew Friedman
Rick Hahn.
Buster Olney mentioned on BBTN last night that he believes the top 3 are the Cubs top choices, while a lot of the local media seems to be focusing Hahn, what with the Cubs fandom and the already being in Chicago-ness. I don’t know if if I have a strong opinion one way or the other, but if I had to single out a preference at this point I think I’d lean towards Friedman. It’s hard not to be impressed with what the Rays have done (although some will point out it took a lot of years and high draft picks to build up that system, some of which was before his time there). The Astros seems to prefer him, and he’s from that area so he might prefer his hometown team. Cashman might be tired of the Steinbrenners, or maybe those frustrations are overblown and he’s about as comfortable as one could be in that position. Beane passed on the Red Sox before, maybe he regrets that or maybe he’s perfectly content.
Whatever ends up happening, it’s an exciting time for Cubs fans. And look at this list again - it’s pretty much a wish list of the best available candidates and it’s great to see that the Cubs might actually end up with one of them.
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1. Bunny Vincennes Posted: August 22, 2011 at 06:26 PM (#3906107)-- MWE
Whoops. Thanks.
Hahn's contract has an out clause that allows him to take over as the Cubs' GM, which is why he's the favorite of the locals.
Actually, knowing the people writing about him as the favorite, I'm sure that piece of information is completely irrelevant. He's mentioned because they know and like him, and he's a Cubs fan (the fact that the owner is a Cubs fan has been mentioned at least 7 million times since he's bought the team).
My guess is that he'd be the fallback position for Ricketts if he truly can't get one of the glamor names and cares about PR.
Yes, that's my guess (and fear) too. Not that he'd be a bad hire, but that the hire would be made for the wrong reasons. Then again, Ozzie's endorsed him. And no way Ozzie could be wrong on this.
Kim Ng has little to no background in stats, she's a non-starter.
Would the Cubs give Paul DePodesta another shot?
Is Pat Gillick still being mentioned?
Fangraphs: Candidates for the Chicago GM job
I get the feeling Friedman and Cashman are 1 and 1A on the list, and after them are the assistants. (Hahn, Cherington, Byrnes)
I think the Gillick rumor is dead now. In one of those sources said thing, I read that Gillick has denied that the Cubs have contacted him at all (or reached out, or whatever they could legally do).
I was wondering the same thing. Has he given the indication he wants to leave Tampa, or is mostly speculation that he'll seek a club that can afford a bigger payroll?
I'm sure it's pure speculation but you can forgive the Cubs fans for hoping he will strike while the iron is hot and look for a higher profile/paying job before Tampa's current core gets too expensive to hold together and ownership begins forcing him to sell off valuable pieces of the team.
I do see Cashman as a very realistic target.
I don't know, his new style of unhinged honesty may play badly in interviews.
Really? He's survived the NY media. Working for the Steinbrenners.
I'm guessing he could handle things here.
Or Cashman and Girardi.
Do we really want Girardi? His handling of pitchers seems...baffling.
We could do a lot worse.
I'm not a Cubs fan. I just tossed it out there as a possible tandem for the GM and manager jobs, since Cashman's contract is expiring and Girardi has the Cubs background.
We ain't selling jeans here.
IDEA: Jeans with team logos. Why hasn't this been thought of before?
From the perspective of this Yankee fan I couldn't be much happier with Mr. Girardi's bullpen management. Nothing about his handling of the rotation sticks out at me as being particularly noteworthy one way or the other.
Fair enough; I haven't paid that much attention.
Isn't he, like, 117?
Yep, but imagine the press that would be written if he became a Cubbie. Of course he would want to have bingo tournaments at Wrigley during the off season.
They used to have shoes with team logos on them. They were pretty sweet. The shoe company was a splinter group of shoe designers from Nike I believe. They were like the Dark Horse Comics of the shoe world there for awhile.
Absolutely. The players have to battle it out publicly for jobs and can be objectively analyzed 100 ways to Tuesday, but climbing the MLB executive ranks is still all about politics.
You should have provided this link.
Oh yes we are. The ad at the bottom of my screen is for Levi's Super Flare from $34.99, now at Kohl's.
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has anyone else noticed how stale the current GM pool is? i think there's only a handful of current GMs who've been hired without A) being promoted from within their organization or B) previously holding the position for another organization. jack zduriencik, dayton moore, neil huntington, jed hoyer, and ned colletti seem to be it.
This may be true. If the Cubs hire a previous GM, it sounds like it's a top-tier guy choosing to come to the Cubs from a current job (IOW, not a previously fired GM just waiting for a 2nd chance). If the Cubs pick another team's top assistant, then they're bucking this trend. I think it's easier for a small market team to take a chance on a new GM from outside the organization that a bigger market team.
I may have to change my clothes now.
From an article about the Giants claiming Heath Bell. Let's hope he can work out some sort of deal here.
The guys over at Sox Therapy have all signed off on this as well.
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Some cold water from Tampa for those of us who want Friedman. Of course, what's lacking in that story is any comment from Friedman. Phil Rogers (and I won't link to him*) also tries throwing cold water on Cashman and Epstein rumors. He had a long article yesterday where he listed his candidates (he did mention those 3, but downplayed the chances on all of them): Kim Ng, Rick Hahn, Billy Beane, Josh Byrnes, Ben Cherington, Thad Levin, AJ Preller, Ari Kaplan, Ned Colletti (again, I don't believe for a second he's real candidate), Dan Evans, Dan Jennings, Michael Hill, and Al Avila. I think he's just listing names and if he names enough people the Cubs are bound the hire someone he's mentioned and he'll use that as proof he knows what he's talking about.
*But I'll talk about what he writes. What's wrong with me? I seriously doubt his sources and his intelligence though.
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The Oneri Fleita extension worries me, since Ricketts said the new GM would oversee all baseball operations. Doesn't make sense to extend him now, even if another team was sniffing around (Tigers, I believe; I mean, why worry about that but let Rothchild go when he's actually under contract?).
Good to hear. This makes me feel a lot better.
From what I've read, it's unclear if he wants another go-round as GM; some articles have said he prefers an advisory-type role. Despite working for Tampa, he still lives in Houston, and his wife died earlier this year after a long battle with cancer. I've seen his name mentioned re: the Cubs and Astros, though, so who knows.
I don't necessarily disagree or think that this will be a problem per se. However, if we're to take Ricketts at his word, Fleita isn't a new GM candidate; then again, by Ricketts already handing out this extension he's already gone against his word. Hell, Jim Hendry was highly respected in MLB circles. The point remains though, what's the rush? And if the reassignment/out clause are true, then there doesn't appear to have been any reason to do the extension now. It's the sign of a poorly run organization, and for an organization that doesn't and shouldn't get the benefit of the doubt.
The rush was that Fleita's contract was expiring and other teams (including the Tigers) had reportedly inquired about hiring him. The extension keeps Fleita with Chicago at least until the next GM is hired, at which point the new GM and/or Fleita can revisit the issue.
By the way, this is coming from the perspective of someone who wants a complete overhaul of the organization - I want to start from scratch. So any holdover or any decision made by someone (be it Ricketts or Crane Kenney) until the new boss is hired will be evaluated skeptically with a definite negative slant (and I may maintain that perspective for the new boss hire, depending on who that is and what they have the authority to do).
Well, yeah, why else would they do this? At the very least he can take a demotion and just be overpaid. The ESPN story says his contract allows him to be reassigned on the first of the year. The downside is eating the relatively modest (when compared to MLB players) salary of your scouting director. The upside is you have the option to keep the guy who built international scouting from zero.
Where does Ricketts draw the line on who to keep and/or extend now?
Well, they told Wilken that no extension was forthcoming. It appears the Cubs view Fleita as the single most valuable talent acquisition person in the org. If he has a high rep across baseball then his presence might actually be an incentive to GM candidates who can't take every single employee with them in the transition.
If Tom Ricketts is willing to flush a few hundred thousand bucks (?) down the toilet for the possibility of retaining a piece of front office talent then good for him. I have long wanted the Cubs to act like a big market team and use some of their financial leverage to improve the front office.
Are people really assuming Ricketts is going to behave irrationally and put his scouting director ahead of the GM?
Interesting. Could this actually have legs?
OK, I can't help it. I'm actually starting to get excited about the possibility.
That's a risk I am perfectly willing to take.
So the worst case scenario is more of the same?
Plus, actual young talent. No one's perfect, but the idea that Epstein would be a bad hire for the Cubs is mind-boggling.
THANK YOU!
My comment in #69 was mostly tongue-in-cheek. (It should, however, be pointed out that the spirit of what you said above was also true of Francona.)
Fair enough, and I don't disagree about Francona. I'm not clear on what happened, there.
I think we're getting him.
http://www.murraychass.com/?p=3893
Today, from Gordon Wittenmyer:
Could all just be piling on though.
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