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Monday, August 22, 2011

GM Candidates

Now that the Cubs have finally fired Jim Hendry, I thought it’d be a good time to see if this blog thing still works.  I’ve decided to create a thread listing the potential candidates, and anytime I see any sort of update, I’ll put it in this thread.  If I miss a story, please feel free to add it yourself.

The early candidates include:
Billy Beane
Brian Cashman
Andrew Friedman
Rick Hahn.

Buster Olney mentioned on BBTN last night that he believes the top 3 are the Cubs top choices, while a lot of the local media seems to be focusing Hahn, what with the Cubs fandom and the already being in Chicago-ness.  I don’t know if if I have a strong opinion one way or the other, but if I had to single out a preference at this point I think I’d lean towards Friedman.  It’s hard not to be impressed with what the Rays have done (although some will point out it took a lot of years and high draft picks to build up that system, some of which was before his time there).  The Astros seems to prefer him, and he’s from that area so he might prefer his hometown team.  Cashman might be tired of the Steinbrenners, or maybe those frustrations are overblown and he’s about as comfortable as one could be in that position.  Beane passed on the Red Sox before, maybe he regrets that or maybe he’s perfectly content. 

Whatever ends up happening, it’s an exciting time for Cubs fans.  And look at this list again - it’s pretty much a wish list of the best available candidates and it’s great to see that the Cubs might actually end up with one of them.

Moses Taylor World Re-Tour 2.0: Warszawa Posted: August 22, 2011 at 05:29 PM | 84 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Bunny Vincennes Posted: August 22, 2011 at 06:26 PM (#3906107)
Kim Ng has to be part of this discussion, right, or is she too adventurous for a historically staid franchise.
   2. Moses Taylor World Re-Tour 2.0: Warszawa Posted: August 22, 2011 at 06:29 PM (#3906109)
I don't see why not. I guess some people seem to be discounting her (and Hahn) because one of Ricketts's comments was about someone with experience. So I guess he's not looking for a first time GM.
   3. JJ1986 Posted: August 22, 2011 at 06:43 PM (#3906119)
The White Sox AGM is Rick Hahn.
   4. Mike Emeigh Posted: August 22, 2011 at 06:44 PM (#3906122)
Hahn's contract has an out clause that allows him to take over as the Cubs' GM, which is why he's the favorite of the locals. My guess is that he'd be the fallback position for Ricketts if he truly can't get one of the glamor names and cares about PR.

-- MWE
   5. Moses Taylor World Re-Tour 2.0: Warszawa Posted: August 22, 2011 at 06:55 PM (#3906133)
The White Sox AGM is Rick Hahn.

Whoops. Thanks.

Hahn's contract has an out clause that allows him to take over as the Cubs' GM, which is why he's the favorite of the locals.

Actually, knowing the people writing about him as the favorite, I'm sure that piece of information is completely irrelevant. He's mentioned because they know and like him, and he's a Cubs fan (the fact that the owner is a Cubs fan has been mentioned at least 7 million times since he's bought the team).

My guess is that he'd be the fallback position for Ricketts if he truly can't get one of the glamor names and cares about PR.

Yes, that's my guess (and fear) too. Not that he'd be a bad hire, but that the hire would be made for the wrong reasons. Then again, Ozzie's endorsed him. And no way Ozzie could be wrong on this.
   6. SouthSideRyan Posted: August 22, 2011 at 06:57 PM (#3906137)
I imagine Ben Cherington is on Ricketts's short list as well.

Kim Ng has little to no background in stats, she's a non-starter.
   7. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: August 22, 2011 at 07:07 PM (#3906142)
What about David Forst? Hasn't he been a GM-in-waiting forever?

Would the Cubs give Paul DePodesta another shot?

Is Pat Gillick still being mentioned?

Fangraphs: Candidates for the Chicago GM job
   8. SouthSideRyan Posted: August 22, 2011 at 07:10 PM (#3906145)
They mentioned Gillick on Sunday Night Baseball last night, but I get the impression Ricketts wants more of a long-term solution. I doubt DePo is considered.

I get the feeling Friedman and Cashman are 1 and 1A on the list, and after them are the assistants. (Hahn, Cherington, Byrnes)
   9. Pops Freshenmeyer Posted: August 22, 2011 at 07:24 PM (#3906158)
Friedman would make my year. Even though Tampa has been good for four years (having low draft picks) the team continues to churn out a great farm system. He doesn't have much track record to go off as far as playing the top tier FA market but he can certainly execute a plan within a budget. The previous regime's weakness in this area has been all too obvious.
   10. Moses Taylor World Re-Tour 2.0: Warszawa Posted: August 22, 2011 at 07:30 PM (#3906161)
Thanks, SSR, I forgot Cherington. He's got to be about equal to Hahn on the Cubs' list, if you take most of what Ricketts said at face value (ignoring the previous experience part, which is exactly what Fangraphs did in their article). I'm not seeing DePo mentioned anywhere that's mentioning actual rumors (vs unsolicited suggestions).

I think the Gillick rumor is dead now. In one of those sources said thing, I read that Gillick has denied that the Cubs have contacted him at all (or reached out, or whatever they could legally do).
   11. McCoy Posted: August 22, 2011 at 07:54 PM (#3906171)
Hell, at this point I'll be happy with Dan Duquette! Just give me somebody with a track record of success or somebody that somebody thought was good at some point.
   12. Tuque Posted: August 22, 2011 at 08:01 PM (#3906177)
Is there no chance Friedman stays in Tampa Bay?
   13. SoSH U at work Posted: August 22, 2011 at 08:03 PM (#3906178)
Is there no chance Friedman stays in Tampa Bay?


I was wondering the same thing. Has he given the indication he wants to leave Tampa, or is mostly speculation that he'll seek a club that can afford a bigger payroll?
   14. Moses Taylor World Re-Tour 2.0: Warszawa Posted: August 22, 2011 at 08:06 PM (#3906182)
I don't know, but that's a possibility that I just didn't mention. Same as Cashman and Beane, of course. If nothing else, he can use offers/interest from the Cubs/Astros to really up his salary, etc.
   15. Pops Freshenmeyer Posted: August 22, 2011 at 08:08 PM (#3906184)
I was wondering the same thing. Has he given the indication he wants to leave Tampa, or is mostly speculation that he'll seek a club that can afford a bigger payroll?

I'm sure it's pure speculation but you can forgive the Cubs fans for hoping he will strike while the iron is hot and look for a higher profile/paying job before Tampa's current core gets too expensive to hold together and ownership begins forcing him to sell off valuable pieces of the team.

I do see Cashman as a very realistic target.
   16. McCoy Posted: August 22, 2011 at 08:13 PM (#3906186)
No love for Gord Ash? How about Tom Flanagan?
   17. Swedish Chef Posted: August 22, 2011 at 08:13 PM (#3906187)
I do see Cashman as a very realistic target.

I don't know, his new style of unhinged honesty may play badly in interviews.
   18. Don Geovany Soto (chris h.) Posted: August 22, 2011 at 08:34 PM (#3906205)
I don't know, his new style of unhinged honesty may play badly in interviews.

Really? He's survived the NY media. Working for the Steinbrenners.

I'm guessing he could handle things here.
   19. Rafael Bellylard: Built like a Panda. Posted: August 23, 2011 at 10:42 AM (#3906612)
I wonder if the Cubs could throw together a deal that nets both Friedman and Maddon.
   20. Joe Kehoskie Posted: August 23, 2011 at 12:13 PM (#3906632)
I wonder if the Cubs could throw together a deal that nets both Friedman and Maddon.

Or Cashman and Girardi.
   21. Hack Wilson Posted: August 23, 2011 at 12:43 PM (#3906649)
Since Billy Beane is not available ...Brad Pitt and Philip Seymour Hoffman
   22. Don Geovany Soto (chris h.) Posted: August 23, 2011 at 03:26 PM (#3906787)
Or Cashman and Girardi.

Do we really want Girardi? His handling of pitchers seems...baffling.
Since Billy Beane is not available ...Brad Pitt and Philip Seymour Hoffman

We could do a lot worse.
   23. McCoy Posted: August 23, 2011 at 04:10 PM (#3906825)
Tim Brown in his last column added Allard Baird's name to the possible candidates.
   24. Joe Kehoskie Posted: August 23, 2011 at 08:55 PM (#3907150)
Do we really want Girardi? His handling of pitchers seems...baffling.

I'm not a Cubs fan. I just tossed it out there as a possible tandem for the GM and manager jobs, since Cashman's contract is expiring and Girardi has the Cubs background.
   25. Dag Nabbit is part of the zombie horde Posted: August 23, 2011 at 09:26 PM (#3907187)
Since Billy Beane is not available ...Brad Pitt

We ain't selling jeans here.
   26. Moses Taylor World Re-Tour 2.0: Warszawa Posted: August 23, 2011 at 09:32 PM (#3907194)
We ain't selling jeans here.

IDEA: Jeans with team logos. Why hasn't this been thought of before?
   27. madvillain Posted: August 23, 2011 at 09:50 PM (#3907205)
I'd be pretty bummed if the Sox lost Hahn to the Cubs. I've been looking forward to having Hahn as the next GM for a few years now. He seems rock solid.
   28. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: August 23, 2011 at 10:00 PM (#3907211)

Do we really want Girardi? His handling of pitchers seems...baffling.


From the perspective of this Yankee fan I couldn't be much happier with Mr. Girardi's bullpen management. Nothing about his handling of the rotation sticks out at me as being particularly noteworthy one way or the other.
   29. steagles Posted: August 23, 2011 at 10:37 PM (#3907225)
has anyone else noticed how stale the current GM pool is? i think there's only a handful of current GMs who've been hired without A) being promoted from within their organization or B) previously holding the position for another organization. jack zduriencik, dayton moore, neil huntington, jed hoyer, and ned colletti seem to be it.
   30. JJ1986 Posted: August 23, 2011 at 10:41 PM (#3907229)
Wasn't Hoyer a GM for about a month with Boston?
   31. cardsfanboy Posted: August 23, 2011 at 10:44 PM (#3907231)
Whitey Herzog will listen if someone calls.
   32. Don Geovany Soto (chris h.) Posted: August 24, 2011 at 12:03 AM (#3907272)
From the perspective of this Yankee fan I couldn't be much happier with Mr. Girardi's bullpen management. Nothing about his handling of the rotation sticks out at me as being particularly noteworthy one way or the other.

Fair enough; I haven't paid that much attention.
Whitey Herzog will listen if someone calls.

Isn't he, like, 117?
   33. cardsfanboy Posted: August 24, 2011 at 12:17 AM (#3907289)
Isn't he, like, 117?


Yep, but imagine the press that would be written if he became a Cubbie. Of course he would want to have bingo tournaments at Wrigley during the off season.
   34. McCoy Posted: August 24, 2011 at 01:30 AM (#3907380)
IDEA: Jeans with team logos. Why hasn't this been thought of before?

They used to have shoes with team logos on them. They were pretty sweet. The shoe company was a splinter group of shoe designers from Nike I believe. They were like the Dark Horse Comics of the shoe world there for awhile.
   35. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: August 24, 2011 at 02:42 AM (#3907522)
How come Mike Arbuckle isn't more of a hot commodity at this point? He helped build a great Phillies system that is paying off dividends, now he's helped build a terrific Royals minor league system.
   36. Joe Kehoskie Posted: August 24, 2011 at 05:12 AM (#3907618)
has anyone else noticed how stale the current GM pool is? i think there's only a handful of current GMs who've been hired without A) being promoted from within their organization or B) previously holding the position for another organization. jack zduriencik, dayton moore, neil huntington, jed hoyer, and ned colletti seem to be it.

Absolutely. The players have to battle it out publicly for jobs and can be objectively analyzed 100 ways to Tuesday, but climbing the MLB executive ranks is still all about politics.
   37. CFiJ Posted: August 24, 2011 at 06:55 AM (#3907629)
Since Billy Beane is not available ...Brad Pitt

We ain't selling jeans here.

You should have provided this link.
   38. Northpaw Posted: August 24, 2011 at 07:22 AM (#3907633)
We ain't selling jeans here.

Oh yes we are. The ad at the bottom of my screen is for Levi's Super Flare from $34.99, now at Kohl's.
   39. Moses Taylor World Re-Tour 2.0: Warszawa Posted: August 24, 2011 at 04:48 PM (#3907870)
Here's some fun speculation: Theo Epstein.

In years past, some friends say, Epstein has talked about the Cubs' organization as a place with extraordinary growth potential and as a unique challenge. When Epstein took over the Red Sox, Boston had had more than eight decades of frustration before it finally won the World Series in 2004.

Keep in mind that Epstein has carved out a strong position under Red Sox owners Henry and Tom Werner, and friends say he has a deep loyalty to the Boston organization -- and keep in mind that Boston is his hometown and that Epstein is in the middle of his current contract.

But that would not preclude the Cubs from calling the Red Sox and asking whether they could talk to Epstein, presumably with the potential offer of some kind of promotion, such as a club presidency with oversight of baseball operations. There's no telling how Henry would react or how Ricketts would handle that situation or what Epstein would want until those conversations take place.


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has anyone else noticed how stale the current GM pool is? i think there's only a handful of current GMs who've been hired without A) being promoted from within their organization or B) previously holding the position for another organization. jack zduriencik, dayton moore, neil huntington, jed hoyer, and ned colletti seem to be it.

This may be true. If the Cubs hire a previous GM, it sounds like it's a top-tier guy choosing to come to the Cubs from a current job (IOW, not a previously fired GM just waiting for a 2nd chance). If the Cubs pick another team's top assistant, then they're bucking this trend. I think it's easier for a small market team to take a chance on a new GM from outside the organization that a bigger market team.
   40. Don Geovany Soto (chris h.) Posted: August 24, 2011 at 04:52 PM (#3907873)
Here's some fun speculation: Theo Epstein.

I may have to change my clothes now.
   41. Moses Taylor World Re-Tour 2.0: Warszawa Posted: August 24, 2011 at 06:25 PM (#3907948)
Randy Bush: Doin' work?

The sources said outfielder Jason Kubel and designated hitter Jim Thome, both Minnesota Twins players, and Chicago Cubs first baseman Carlos Pena also have been claimed on waivers. It is not known at this time which teams claimed those players, however.


From an article about the Giants claiming Heath Bell. Let's hope he can work out some sort of deal here.
   42. Don Geovany Soto (chris h.) Posted: August 24, 2011 at 07:43 PM (#3908019)
I can't imagine any reason to not let Pena go, really.
   43. Moses Taylor World Re-Tour 2.0: Warszawa Posted: August 24, 2011 at 09:37 PM (#3908103)
Word is the Yankees are the team that claimed him.
   44. McCoy Posted: August 24, 2011 at 10:08 PM (#3908120)
Let Pena go and bring up The Hair.
   45. Moses Taylor World Re-Tour 2.0: Warszawa Posted: August 25, 2011 at 06:30 PM (#3908864)
Take that, Jim:

Recently removed from the Chicago Cubs, former General Manager Jim Hendry may now be removed from a busy northwest suburban thoroughfare as well.

Park Ridge officials want the Illinois Department of Transportation to take down Honorary Jim Hendry Way signs on Northwest Highway, which were authorized in 2009 by Cubs enthusiast and former Gov. Rod Blagojevich.

When Hendry got the boot last week, Mayor Dave Schmidt said he was reminded the city still had the sign they would have liked removed long ago.

Schmidt said the request is nothing personal against Hendry, a Park Ridge resident, but the city never wanted the signs mounted in the first place.
   46. karlmagnus Posted: August 25, 2011 at 06:39 PM (#3908875)
Hire Dan Duquette and I become a Cubs fan. Been pining for another team to root for since the Sox let him go in 2002. Plus you've got an even more effective Curse to overcome.
   47. SoSH U at work Posted: August 25, 2011 at 06:47 PM (#3908880)
Hire Dan Duquette and I become a Cubs fan.


The guys over at Sox Therapy have all signed off on this as well.
   48. Moses Taylor World Re-Tour 2.0: Warszawa Posted: August 29, 2011 at 03:36 PM (#3911394)
He won't even get a background check.

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Some cold water from Tampa for those of us who want Friedman. Of course, what's lacking in that story is any comment from Friedman. Phil Rogers (and I won't link to him*) also tries throwing cold water on Cashman and Epstein rumors. He had a long article yesterday where he listed his candidates (he did mention those 3, but downplayed the chances on all of them): Kim Ng, Rick Hahn, Billy Beane, Josh Byrnes, Ben Cherington, Thad Levin, AJ Preller, Ari Kaplan, Ned Colletti (again, I don't believe for a second he's real candidate), Dan Evans, Dan Jennings, Michael Hill, and Al Avila. I think he's just listing names and if he names enough people the Cubs are bound the hire someone he's mentioned and he'll use that as proof he knows what he's talking about.

*But I'll talk about what he writes. What's wrong with me? I seriously doubt his sources and his intelligence though.
   49. Moses Taylor World Re-Tour 2.0: Warszawa Posted: September 13, 2011 at 10:10 PM (#3923773)
Mark Shapiro.

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The Oneri Fleita extension worries me, since Ricketts said the new GM would oversee all baseball operations. Doesn't make sense to extend him now, even if another team was sniffing around (Tigers, I believe; I mean, why worry about that but let Rothchild go when he's actually under contract?).
   50. Joe Kehoskie Posted: September 13, 2011 at 10:46 PM (#3923788)
Oneri Fleita is highly respected in MLB circles and his contract reportedly includes a reassignment clause and/or an out for Fleita in the event he and the new GM aren't on the same page (assuming Fleita himself isn't the new GM, which probably isn't completely out of the question). I doubt this will be seen as a factor by GM candidates.
   51. Don Geovany Soto (chris h.) Posted: September 14, 2011 at 04:08 PM (#3924712)
Oneri Fleita is highly respected in MLB circles and his contract reportedly includes a reassignment clause and/or an out for Fleita in the event he and the new GM aren't on the same page (assuming Fleita himself isn't the new GM, which probably isn't completely out of the question). I doubt this will be seen as a factor by GM candidates.


Good to hear. This makes me feel a lot better.
   52. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: September 14, 2011 at 04:32 PM (#3924753)
I'm surprised more people aren't discussing Gerry Hunsicker as a possibility. He'd definitely be on my short list, if I were looking for a GM.
   53. Joe Kehoskie Posted: September 14, 2011 at 04:51 PM (#3924778)
I'm surprised more people aren't discussing Gerry Hunsicker as a possibility. He'd definitely be on my short list, if I were looking for a GM.

From what I've read, it's unclear if he wants another go-round as GM; some articles have said he prefers an advisory-type role. Despite working for Tampa, he still lives in Houston, and his wife died earlier this year after a long battle with cancer. I've seen his name mentioned re: the Cubs and Astros, though, so who knows.
   54. Moses Taylor World Re-Tour 2.0: Warszawa Posted: September 19, 2011 at 10:00 PM (#3930068)
Oneri Fleita is highly respected in MLB circles and his contract reportedly includes a reassignment clause and/or an out for Fleita in the event he and the new GM aren't on the same page (assuming Fleita himself isn't the new GM, which probably isn't completely out of the question). I doubt this will be seen as a factor by GM candidates.

I don't necessarily disagree or think that this will be a problem per se. However, if we're to take Ricketts at his word, Fleita isn't a new GM candidate; then again, by Ricketts already handing out this extension he's already gone against his word. Hell, Jim Hendry was highly respected in MLB circles. The point remains though, what's the rush? And if the reassignment/out clause are true, then there doesn't appear to have been any reason to do the extension now. It's the sign of a poorly run organization, and for an organization that doesn't and shouldn't get the benefit of the doubt.
   55. Joe Kehoskie Posted: September 19, 2011 at 10:27 PM (#3930089)
The point remains though, what's the rush? And if the reassignment/out clause are true, then there doesn't appear to have been any reason to do the extension now. It's the sign of a poorly run organization, and for an organization that doesn't and shouldn't get the benefit of the doubt.

The rush was that Fleita's contract was expiring and other teams (including the Tigers) had reportedly inquired about hiring him. The extension keeps Fleita with Chicago at least until the next GM is hired, at which point the new GM and/or Fleita can revisit the issue.
   56. Moses Taylor World Re-Tour 2.0: Warszawa Posted: September 19, 2011 at 11:43 PM (#3930174)
So is the contract worthless or will the GM (or President of baseball operations or whatever title/position they call it) not have final say? IOW, Fleita almost assuredly signed a contract that will pay him a nice severance if the new boss doesn't want to retain him (more money down the drain) - there surely is severance, otherwise this has been a giant waste a time, because who's going to sign a contract with no compensation if it's broken and had at least another option out there - so will the new boss be pressured/encouraged/coerced/whatever to keep him? And what's the timeframe here? When does his contract expire and how much longer is the GM search going to take? How many other people have expiring deals? Where does Ricketts draw the line on who to keep and/or extend now? Whether or not Fleita is actually good at his job is almost secondary here (I'm mostly indifferent, but consider everyone under the old/current regime as partially responsible for the lack of success).

By the way, this is coming from the perspective of someone who wants a complete overhaul of the organization - I want to start from scratch. So any holdover or any decision made by someone (be it Ricketts or Crane Kenney) until the new boss is hired will be evaluated skeptically with a definite negative slant (and I may maintain that perspective for the new boss hire, depending on who that is and what they have the authority to do).
   57. SouthSideRyan Posted: September 20, 2011 at 01:14 AM (#3930324)
In brief, you're not being realistic, and sound kinda like Dave Kaplan.
   58. Pops Freshenmeyer Posted: September 20, 2011 at 01:23 AM (#3930342)
IOW, Fleita almost assuredly signed a contract that will pay him a nice severance if the new boss doesn't want to retain him (more money down the drain)

Well, yeah, why else would they do this? At the very least he can take a demotion and just be overpaid. The ESPN story says his contract allows him to be reassigned on the first of the year. The downside is eating the relatively modest (when compared to MLB players) salary of your scouting director. The upside is you have the option to keep the guy who built international scouting from zero.

Where does Ricketts draw the line on who to keep and/or extend now?

Well, they told Wilken that no extension was forthcoming. It appears the Cubs view Fleita as the single most valuable talent acquisition person in the org. If he has a high rep across baseball then his presence might actually be an incentive to GM candidates who can't take every single employee with them in the transition.

If Tom Ricketts is willing to flush a few hundred thousand bucks (?) down the toilet for the possibility of retaining a piece of front office talent then good for him. I have long wanted the Cubs to act like a big market team and use some of their financial leverage to improve the front office.

Are people really assuming Ricketts is going to behave irrationally and put his scouting director ahead of the GM?
   59. Pops Freshenmeyer Posted: October 01, 2011 at 08:37 PM (#3947616)
It is being reported that Boston has given Epstein permission to talk to the Cubs regarding the GM vacancy.
   60. Don Geovany Soto (chris h.) Posted: October 01, 2011 at 09:29 PM (#3947685)
It is being reported that Boston has given Epstein permission to talk to the Cubs regarding the GM vacancy.

Interesting. Could this actually have legs?
   61. Pops Freshenmeyer Posted: October 01, 2011 at 09:33 PM (#3947686)
Joel Sherman tweeted that he expects Epstein to join the Cubs. Here is the actual report I should have linked to begin with.
   62. Don Geovany Soto (chris h.) Posted: October 01, 2011 at 09:38 PM (#3947689)
Thanks for that. For those too lazy to click the link, here is the quote of Sherman's tweet:
"I am shocked," Sherman tweets. "But in last 36 hrs every exec talk to says believe #Redsox will give permssion and Theo will go to #Cubs to be GM."

OK, I can't help it. I'm actually starting to get excited about the possibility.
   63. Dr. Vaux Posted: October 01, 2011 at 09:42 PM (#3947695)
Don't get too excited. The next John Lackey and Carl Crawford are out there. Those would be typical Cubs contracts, come to think of it.
   64. Don Geovany Soto (chris h.) Posted: October 01, 2011 at 09:47 PM (#3947701)
Don't get too excited. The next John Lackey and Carl Crawford are out there. Those would be typical Cubs contracts, come to think of it.

That's a risk I am perfectly willing to take.
   65. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: October 01, 2011 at 09:52 PM (#3947705)
I wonder if Beane gets crack #2 at the Sox job.
   66. Dan The Mediocre Posted: October 01, 2011 at 10:33 PM (#3947741)
Don't get too excited. The next John Lackey and Carl Crawford are out there. Those would be typical Cubs contracts, come to think of it.


So the worst case scenario is more of the same?
   67. Rafael Bellylard: Built like a Panda. Posted: October 01, 2011 at 10:49 PM (#3947775)
And Boston trades Crawford back to Tampa for Friedman. Boston includes enough cash to pay all but 5m/yr of Crawford's contract.
   68. Don Geovany Soto (chris h.) Posted: October 01, 2011 at 11:59 PM (#3947838)
Gammons tweeted that Epstein is interested in the Cubs job, but suggests that Henry might keep him by making him co-CEO and promoting Cherington to GM.
   69. Joe Kehoskie Posted: October 02, 2011 at 12:34 AM (#3947892)
Is America a great country or what? The Boston f.o. just presided over the biggest implosion in baseball history yet several execs are up for big promotions and/or raises (while the manager is out on his butt).
   70. Don Geovany Soto (chris h.) Posted: October 03, 2011 at 10:10 PM (#3949886)
Perhaps it's because most are aware that the front office is the same one that presided over a couple of World Series championships. Is there something specific the f.o. did wrong that caused the implosion, or was it just injuries+bad luck+a few mediocre transactions?
   71. Moses Taylor World Re-Tour 2.0: Warszawa Posted: October 03, 2011 at 10:20 PM (#3949896)
So the worst case scenario is more of the same?

Plus, actual young talent. No one's perfect, but the idea that Epstein would be a bad hire for the Cubs is mind-boggling.
   72. SteveM. Posted: October 03, 2011 at 10:38 PM (#3949916)
I can totally get behind Theo as GM. If the Red Sox need compensation, I believe Alfonso Soriano would be appropriate.
   73. SouthSideRyan Posted: October 03, 2011 at 11:59 PM (#3950003)
Can we please note that the implosion of the '11 Red Sox resulted in a 90-72 season; a record that the Cubs have matched or bested ONCE in the past 22 seasons.
   74. Don Geovany Soto (chris h.) Posted: October 04, 2011 at 12:11 AM (#3950030)
Can we please note that the implosion of the '11 Red Sox resulted in a 90-72 season; a record that the Cubs have matched or bested ONCE in the past 22 seasons.

THANK YOU!
   75. Joe Kehoskie Posted: October 04, 2011 at 05:59 AM (#3950416)
Perhaps it's because most are aware that the front office is the same one that presided over a couple of World Series championships. Is there something specific the f.o. did wrong that caused the implosion, or was it just injuries+bad luck+a few mediocre transactions?

My comment in #69 was mostly tongue-in-cheek. (It should, however, be pointed out that the spirit of what you said above was also true of Francona.)
   76. Don Geovany Soto (chris h.) Posted: October 04, 2011 at 12:32 PM (#3950470)
My comment in #69 was mostly tongue-in-cheek. (It should, however, be pointed out that the spirit of what you said above was also true of Francona.)

Fair enough, and I don't disagree about Francona. I'm not clear on what happened, there.
   77. SouthSideRyan Posted: October 05, 2011 at 12:27 AM (#3951376)
Yeah, I'm fine with picking up both the GM and manager from those gutless choking Red Sox.
   78. Famous Original Joe C Posted: October 05, 2011 at 01:03 AM (#3951465)
Cross posting from another thread - I am a Red Sox fan who wishes we still had Francona (unless there really are tangible reasons for his departure that we are not yet aware of), and hopes Theo does not leave. Please note that we are not all crazy. I fully realize how good we've had it over the past 8-9 years.
   79. SouthSideRyan Posted: October 06, 2011 at 06:52 PM (#3953681)
Henry and Luchinno to be on Boston radio tomorrow morning.
   80. SouthSideRyan Posted: October 07, 2011 at 01:58 PM (#3954952)
They wouldn't comment on the Theo situation, but when asked if they feel comfortable with him going forward, mentioned how he won't be GM forever and every manager, general manager has a shelf life.

I think we're getting him.
   81. Joe Kehoskie Posted: October 09, 2011 at 12:13 PM (#3957464)
Someone above was asking about Gerry Hunsicker. Murray Chass talked to him for his latest column:

http://www.murraychass.com/?p=3893
   82. Moses Taylor World Re-Tour 2.0: Warszawa Posted: October 19, 2011 at 11:02 PM (#3968570)
Since the compensation stuff still isn't settled (and has been beaten to death on this site), ESPN has a story that the Cubs still might announce Epstein during the WS. But the more interesting part is this:

Meanwhile, two league sources confirmed a report by Sports Illustrated that Epstein could assume the title of president of baseball operations for the Cubs and bring in San Diego Padres general manager Jed Hoyer as his general manager.

Although compensation has been a sticking point in the Epstein negotiations, it's not expected to play as big a role with the Padres because of the strong relationship between Cubs chairman Tom Ricketts and Padres vice chairman/CEO Jeff Moorad, according to numerous major league sources.
   83. Moses Taylor World Re-Tour 2.0: Warszawa Posted: October 24, 2011 at 04:09 PM (#3973219)
I'm not at all a Joe Cowley fan (he's a #########, and an #######, and loves making himself part of the story), but for the sake of completeness, and since we've talked about Kenney a couple of places now:

But all the talk Saturday by baseball people — both current and former executives — was how badly this was handled on both sides, specifically with a lot of fingers pointed at how big of a detriment the Cubs’ Crane Kenney has been.

The good news? Epstein’s title of president of baseball operations would seemingly slam the door on Kenney’s constant meddling, leaving him only on the business end of operations. In other words, the best way to scare a roach off is to turn the light on, and Epstein just flipped the switch.

Several high-level executives told the Sun-Times that Kenney‘s presence was actually an impediment to the Cubs getting the initial interest for the GM job they were hoping for, until Epstein made it very clear that Kenney would have to disappear into the shadows if he took the job.

The Ricketts family has seemingly agreed, and, according to sources, the next step in the process is that Epstein and new Red Sox GM Ben Cherington will now figure out the compensation.


Today, from Gordon Wittenmyer:

‘‘The thing with the Cubs, they don’t actually have anyone negotiating that actually has been in [player] development, so they don’t know the players the Red Sox talk about,’’ Gammons said during a Boston radio interview. ‘‘They have the CEO of business and the assistant general manager, who wasn’t actually involved in the farm system.’’

In the case of the business guy, Kenney, Gammons was spot-on in identifying one of the problems with negotiations over player compensation for new Cubs baseball president Theo Epstein.


Could all just be piling on though.
   84. SouthSideRyan Posted: October 24, 2011 at 04:15 PM (#3973225)
So Gammons is saying Larry Lucchino and John Henry know more about the Cubs prospects than Randy Bush and Tom Ricketts do.

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