Chone’s WARP and the Hall of Merit

Please use this thread to discuss Chone’s WARP and how it relates to the Hall of Merit and other ‘uber-systems’, like DanR’s WAR, BPro WARP (1, 2 and 3), Win Shares, my (Joe Dimino’s) pitcher ratings, VORP, etc.. If I forgot one let me know and I’ll add it to the list as well.

2010 Hall of Merit Ballot

OK, it’s time to start the voting. There is no rush . . . please read through the discussion thread to work through the candidates.

The election closes

11/30 at 8 p.m. EST. We welcome newcomers, but require that you are willing to consider players from all eras. Voters also must comment on each player they vote for, a simple list is not sufficient. If you haven’t voted before, please post your ballot on the discussion thread linked above first.

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Hall of Merit Pitcher Rankings

The cross-era pitchers ballot is now complete, and to the surprise of no one, we’ve ranked Walter Johnson as the greatest pitcher in the Hall of Merit.

Johnson held the top spot on all 17 ballots. Lefty Grove edged Cy Young by one point for the #2 spot. 14 pitchers were named on at least 16 of the 17 ballots (voters ranked their top 20), showing a remarkable consensus.

Here are the complete results:

Combined Pitchers Ballot

We’ll start today, and close the balloting October 5

12.

Vote for your top 20, in order, with explanations, etc..

Points will go 25-24-23 . . . 8-7-6.

A reminder of the results of our ‘by era’ voting:

Pitchers Combined Ballot Discussion

We can use this ballot for a discussion of all the pitchers.

A reminder of the results of our ‘by era’ voting:

Hall of Merit, what’s next?

Finally back in the swing of things here. I guess we need to talk about what’s next.

We’ve had a few things discussed.

1) Ranking all pitchers as a group, now that we’ve sorted them by era.
2) Award votes for each season (going present - 1871 or 1871 - present have both been proposed).
3) Moving forward with the Hall of Merit website.

Anything I’m missing? Any new ideas?

Now that summer is waning, the wedding is over, etc., I’m back in the swing of things and ready to move forward with ...

Election Results: Seaver, Carlton, Gibson, Niekro and Perry Are the Kings of the Mound For Group 4!

By unanimous choice, legendary Met Tom Seaver was deemed to be the best of the best of the Hall of Merit’s Group 4 pitchers.

Virtually tied, stoic moundsman Steve Carlton and fiery hurler Bob Gibson received 90% of all possible points.

Of the remaining pitchers that earned at least 75% support, famed knuckleballer Phil Niekro and noted spitball artist Gaylord Perry both nabbed 79%.

Thanks to OCF for his help with the tally again!

RK   LY  Player            PTS  Bal   1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8 ...

Election Results: Seaver, Carlton, Gibson, Niekro and Perry Are the Kings of the Mound For Group 4!

By unanimous consent, legendary Met Tom Seaver was deemed to be the best of the best of the Hall of Merit’s Group 4 pitchers.

Practically tied, stoic moundsman Steve Carlton and fiery hurler Bob Gibson received 90% of all possible points.

Of the remaining pitchers that earned at least 75% support, famed knuckleballer Phil Niekro and noted spitball artist Gaylord Perry both nabbed 79%.

Thanks to OCF for his help with the tally again!

RK   LY  Player            PTS  Bal   1  2  3  4  5  6  7 ...

Ray Lankford

Eligible in 2010.

Ranking the Hall of Merit by Position: Pitchers Ballot (1959-1986+)

The inductees for this group are (in alphabetical order):

Bert Blyleven
Jim Bunning
Steve Carlton
Don Drysdale
Dennis Eckersley
Rollie Fingers
Bob Gibson
Rich Gossage
Fergie Jenkins
Sandy Koufax
Juan Marichal
Phil Niekro
Jim Palmer
Gaylord Perry
Nolan Ryan
Bret Saberhagen
Dave Stieb
Don Sutton
Tom Seaver
Hoyt Wilhelm

The election ends May 31.at 8 PM EDT.

Election Results: Top 5 HoM Moundsmen For Group 3 - Grove, Spahn, Paige, Feller and Hubbell!

By unanimous vote, star flamethrower Lefty Grove was selected as the Hall of Merit’s top pitcher from Group 3.

Winningest lefthander Warren Spahn received an impressive 91% of all possible points, while NeL legend Satchel Paige was close behind with his 89%.

Cleveland great Bob Feller earned a fine 81%, while the Giants’ meal ticket Carl Hubbell was the last to make it at least 75%.

Thanks to OCF for all of the tallying help that he gives me!

RK   LY  Player         PTS  Bal   1  2  3  4 ...

Ranking the Hall of Merit Pitchers (1959-1986+) - Discussion

The inductees for this group are (in alphabetical order):

Bert Blyleven
Jim Bunning
Steve Carlton
Don Drysdale
Dennis Eckersley
Rollie Fingers
Bob Gibson
Rich Gossage
Fergie Jenkins
Sandy Koufax
Juan Marichal
Phil Niekro
Jim Palmer
Gaylord Perry
Nolan Ryan
Bret Saberhagen
Dave Stieb
Don Sutton
Tom Seaver
Hoyt Wilhelm

The election starts May 17 and ends May 31.at 8 PM EDT.

Juan Gonzalez

Eligible in 2010.

Ranking the Hall of Merit by Position: Pitchers Ballot (1924-1958)

The inductees for this group are (in alphabetical order):

Bullet Rogan
Dazzy Vance
Lefty Grove
Ted Lyons
Carl Hubbell
Red Ruffing
Willie Foster
Martin Dihigo
Satchel Paige
Wes Ferrell
Ray Brown
Bob Feller
Early Wynn
Bob Lemon
Warren Spahn
Hal Newhouser
Robin Roberts
Billy Pierce
Whitey Ford.

The election ends May 3.at 8 PM EDT.

Ellis Burks

Eligible in 2010

Ranking the Hall of Merit Pitchers (1924-1958) - Discussion

The inductees for this group are (in alphabetical order):

Bullet Rogan
Dazzy Vance
Lefty Grove
Ted Lyons
Carl Hubbell
Red Ruffing
Willie Foster
Martin Dihigo
Satchel Paige
Wes Ferrell
Ray Brown
Bob Feller
Early Wynn
Bob Lemon
Warren Spahn
Hal Newhouser
Robin Roberts
Billy Pierce
Whitey Ford

The election starts April 19 and ends May 3.at 8 PM EDT.

Ranking the Hall of Merit Pitchers (1924-1958) - Discussion

The inductees for this group are (in alphabetical order):

Bullet Rogan
Dazzy Vance
Lefty Grove
Ted Lyons
Carl Hubbell
Red Ruffing
Willie Foster
Martin Dihigo
Satchel Paige
Wes Ferrell
Ray Brown
Bob Feller
Early Wynn
Bob Lemon
Warren Spahn
Hal Newhouser
Robin Roberts
Billy Pierce
Whitey Ford.

The election starts April 19 and ends May 3.at 8 PM EDT.

Election Results: Johnson and Young are #1 and #2 on Every Ballot Among the Hurlers From 1893-1923!

No surprise here - legendary Washington Senator Walter Johnson unanimously claimed the top spot in this special Hall of Merit election.

Right behind him, all-time career wins leader Cy Young found himself in the second position on every ballot and with 94% of all possible points.

Contemporaries Pete Alexander and Smokey Joe Williams garned at least 80% of the points with their fine 89% and 80%.

Rounding out the top-tier pitchers were Christy Mathewson (78%), Kid Nichols (78%) and Eddie Plank ...

Robin Ventura

Eligible in 2010.

Ranking the Hall of Merit by Position: Pitchers Ballot (1893 - 1923)

The inductees for this group are (in alphabetical order):

Pete Alexander
Mordecai Brown
Stan Coveleski
Red Faber
Rube Foster
Clark Griffith
Walter Johnson
Christy Mathewson
Joe McGinnity
Jose Mendez
Kid Nichols
Eddie Plank
Eppa Rixey
Amos Rusie
Rube Waddell
Ed Walsh
Smokey Joe Williams
Cy Young

The election ends April 5 at 8 PM EDT.

Election Results: Clarkson is the Clear Front-Runner Among the Pitchers of 1871-92!

With almost 100% support, John Clarkson was deemed head and shoulders above the other five hurlers from this group.

Thanks to OCF for help with the tally!

RK   LY  Player             PTS  Bal   1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20
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 1  n/e  John Clarkson      147   25  22  3                                                      
2T  n/e  Tim Keefe           98   25   1 11  5 ...

Ranking the Hall of Merit Pitchers (1893-1923) - Discussion

The inductees for this group are (in alphabetical order):

Pete Alexander
Mordecai Brown
Stan Coveleski
Red Faber
Rube Foster
Clark Griffith
Walter Johnson
Christy Mathewson
Joe McGinnity
Jose Mendez
Kid Nichols
Eddie Plank
Eppa Rixey
Amos Rusie
Rube Waddell
Ed Walsh
Smokey Joe Williams
Cy Young

The election starts March 15 and ends April 5 at 8 PM EDT.

Edgar Martinez

Eligible in 2010.

Ranking the Hall of Merit by Position: Pitchers Ballot (1871 - 1892)

In alphabetical order:

Bob Caruthers
John Clarkson
Pud Galvin
Tim Keefe
Charley Radbourn
Al Spalding

The election will end March 8 at 8 PM Eastern.

Ranking the Hall of Merit Pitchers (1871-1892) - Discussion

We’ll start light. The first group are the pitcher’s box era pitchers, those whose careers were centered on the period 1871-1892.

Al Spalding
Charley Radbourn
Pud Galvin
Tim Keefe
John Clarkson
Bob Caruthers

We’ll discuss this week, vote next week. It’s a small group, so I think one week of voting will work.

Also, it’s a small group, so it should be pretty easy, please vote!!

Going forward, the other groups will be:

1893-1923: (18) Young, Nichols, Griffith, Rusie, McGinnity, Plank, ...

Fred McGriff

Eligible in 2010.

Barry Larkin

Eligible in 2010.

Roberto Alomar

Eligible in 2010.

2010 Ballot Discussion

2010 (December 7, 2009)—elect 3
WS W3 Rookie Name-Pos
376 132.6 1988 Roberto Alomar-2B
346 121,8 1986 Barry Larkin-SS
341 106.6 1987 Fred McGriff-1B
305 104.4 1989 Edgar Martinez-DH/3B
272 108.8 1990 Robin Ventura-3B
260 79.1 1987 Ellis Burks-CF/RF
234 74.9 1990 Juan Gonzalez-RF/LF*
227 70.3 1991 Ray Lankford-CF
221 62.9 1990 Todd Zeile-3B
190 67.2 1987 Benito Santiago-C*
183 56.5 1992 Eric Karros-1B
161 58.9 1987 Mark McLemore-2B
126 59.0 1992 Pat Hentgen-P
126 53.7 1987 Mike Jackson-RP
130 ...

2009 Post-WWII Players Results: Torre and Santo Meet Our Requirements for the Hall of Fame!

With 94% support from our electorate, star player and manager Joe Torre was the top vote-getter for this election.

Not that far behind, Cub third baseman Ron Santo earned a very impressive 92% in his own right.

Close but no cigar, talented and controversial great Dick Allen just missed it by obtaining 74%.

As for our HoM subgroup, Santo was a unanimous pick, while Torre and Allen had very strong support themselves with their 93% and 86% each.

Thanks to everyone who submitted a ballot or ...