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Monday, June 23, 2003

1903 Results - Roger Connor and Cap Anson elected

The only real suspense this week was whether or not enough people would boycott Anson in his first year for him to have to wait. Six people boycotted, and that allowed Roger Connor to win the election with 984 points. Connor won despite the fact that he only received 12 first place votes to Anson’s 31. Even with the boycott, Anson was able to defeat Jack Glasscock for the second spot, by 195 points. It was the 3rd consecutive year Glasscock finished 3rd in the voting.

Charles Radbourn finished fourth for the 3rd consecutive year, the gap between Radbourn and Glasscock widened slightly, from 46 to 64 points.

The pack after that continues to tighten and shuffle, as the difference between 5th and 8th was just 29 points this time around. Hardy Richardson remained fifth (for the 3rd straight year), while Joe Start jumped over Ezra Sutton for sixth place. Pud Galvin moved from 10th to 7th, as his ranking continues to climb. Sutton dipped to 8th, finishing 2 points behind Galvin, 12 behind Start.

Sam Thompson remained 9th and Al Spalding dipped from 8th to 10th.

RK   LY  Player       Pts Ballots  1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9 10 11 12 13 14 15
1   n/a  R.Connor     984  44.0   12 25  4  2     1
2   n/a  C.Anson      900  38.0   31  6  1
3     3  J.Glasscock  705  44.0         14 11  6  6  2  1     2  1        1
4     4  C.Radbourn   641  44.0       4  5  6  6  2  3  6  2  1  3  2  2     2
5     5  H.Richardson 562  43.0       1     2  3 12  5  2  4  7  1  2  1  2  1
6     7  J.Start      545  40.0       1  7  3  3  4  5  2  2  4  1  3  3     2
7    10  P.Galvin     535  40.0          3  4  5  5  4  7  3     2  3  2     2
8     6  E.Sutton     533  40.0       1  1  8  6  2  3  4  5     1  2  1  4  2
9     9  S.Thompson   489  43.0       1  1  2  3  3  3  2  1  3  9  5  5  3  2
10    8  A.Spalding   484  36.5    1  2  4  2  5  2  2  1  1  4  1  4  3  4  0.5
11   11  H.Stovey     445  38.5          3  2     1  1  6  6  5  5  3  3  1  2.5
12   12  C.Bennett    410  37.0                2  1  7  4  2  6  3  2  6  3  1
13   14  C.McVey      331  30.0             1  1  4  1  3  5  3  1  3  3  1  4
14   13  B.Caruthers  299  23.0       3     1  3     2  3  3  2        1  2  3
15   15  P.Browning   255  26.0                1     3     2  3  5  5     3  4
16   16  E.Williamson 138  17.0                            2     1  4  2  4  4
17   17  L.Pike       136  15.5                         1  2  1  2  1  1  6  1.5
18   18  M.Welch      132  16.0                            1     3  4  1  4  3
19   19  D.Pearce      91   9.0          1           1        1  2     2     2
20   20  J.McCormick   74   8.0                         1  1  1  1     1  2  1
21   21  F.Dunlap      55   7.0                            1           3  1  2
22   22  T.Mullane*    44   5.0                      1              1  1  1  1
23   23  T.O'Neill     44   4.0                   1  1                 1  1
24   25  J.Whitney     25   2.0                         1  1
25  n/a  S.King        22   3.0                                        2     1
26   27  D.Foutz       11   1.0                               1
27T  28T L.Meyerle     10   1.0                                  1
27T  28T B.Hutchison   10   1.0                                  1
29   26  C.Jones        7   1.0                                           1
30T  30T B.Mathews      6   1.0                                              1
30T n/a  D.Lyons        6   1.0                                              1
32   24  G.Stovey       3   0.5                                              0.5
*Won tiebreaker, named higher on more ballots (4-3).
Dropped out: Tom York (30T), Tommy McCarthy (32)


Joey Numbaz (Scruff) Posted: June 23, 2003 at 09:17 PM | 15 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. MattB Posted: June 24, 2003 at 12:07 AM (#514493)
Hey. Good work. Now I don't have to vote for Anson next year. That worked out very well.

Still a pitching shortage, though. It looks like a pitcher will get in next year, though. Question is, Radbourn or Rusie (or my pick, Pud Galvin).

Does anyone have Win Shares handy for the "Big 3 pitchers?" WARP-3 gives Rusie a sizeable lead, but it just doesn't strike me as right, and my book is not handy.
   2. Chris Cobb Posted: June 24, 2003 at 12:58 AM (#514494)
For what they're worth (some adjustment for 1880s context especially is needed), here are WS on Radbourn, Galvin, and Rusie.

Charley Radbourn
   3. James Newburg is in awe of Cespedes' CORE STRENGTH Posted: June 24, 2003 at 02:27 AM (#514495)
My very preliminary ballot for 1904 (written as I take a break from writing a 15-page term paper):

1. Joe Start

2. Jack Glasscock

3. Amos Rusie

4. Pete Browning

5. Charlie Bennett

6. Cal McVey

7. Ezra Sutton

8. Hardy Richardson

9. Harry Stovey

10. Sam Thompson

11. Pud Galvin

12. Charley Radbourn

13. Mickey Welch

14. Jim McCormick

15. Dickey Pearce
   4. MattB Posted: June 24, 2003 at 02:55 AM (#514496)
Thanks Chris. That's what I expected. Rusie has fewer that 2/3 of the innings that Galvin did. He has 119 fewer wins, while pitching generally for better teams.

So here we've got:

Unadjusted WS:
   5. MattB Posted: June 24, 2003 at 02:58 AM (#514497)
Oh, by the way, how about a clutch hit?

That seems to round up a batch of new voters each time, along with the group that makes fun of Jack Glassock's name.
   6. MattB Posted: June 24, 2003 at 03:10 AM (#514498)
Okay, absent a ballot discussion thread, here's my first take. I've got to think that pitchers were better than the respect we've been giving them so far:

1. Pud Galvin (3) ? Best pitcher on the board, and now I see the best player overall.

2. Joe Start (2)

3. Al Spalding (5) ? best pitcher of the 1870s beats all except the best pitcher of the 1880s and the best first baseman of the 1860s and 1870s. If he does not get in, future generations will look at the HoM and think, "Ah, yes, that election was held right after DIPS came out, and people though Spalding didn't have any control over anything he did."

4. Jack Glasscock (4) -- Head to head against Sutton, it looks like Glassock wins, so I'm giving him a bump.

5. Charlie Bennett (7)

6. Ezra Sutton (6)

7. Amos Rusie (n/a) ? could move up or down. I'm just not sure about him yet. First 1890s pitcher on the ballot, but that's because of his short career. Not the best pitcher of the decade like Galvin and Spalding were.

8. Harry Stovey (9) -- flipping him and Caruthers for the moment.

9. Bob Caruthers (8)

10. Hardy Richardson (10) -- Do I have him too low? Something to consider this week.

11. Charley Radbourn (11) -- unless he's better than Rusie, then everybody moves around.

12. Pete Browning (12)

13. Sam Thompson (13)

14. Cal McVey (14)

15. Lip Pike (15)
   7. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: June 24, 2003 at 04:38 AM (#514500)
Of the new guys, Billy Nash probably makes my top ten (better than Williamson) and Clements should make the bottom of my list. I have no idea where Rusie will be (or where Galvin and Spalding will be on my ballot).

I like Joyce and Griffin, but their careers are too short.
   8. Sean Gilman Posted: June 24, 2003 at 06:41 AM (#514501)
Sorry, just got home from work. As requested, here's Boston vs. Pittsburgh:

http://www.whatifsports.com/mlb/boxscore.asp?GameID=9134504&ad=1
   9. Carl Goetz Posted: June 24, 2003 at 01:31 PM (#514503)
'That's actually a pre-view of the World Series, which doesn't happen until October 1903 . . . '

I thought our elections took place in December of the year.
   10. RobC Posted: June 24, 2003 at 01:43 PM (#514504)
Its Dec of 02 for the summer of 03 induction ceremony. I think.
   11. DanG Posted: June 24, 2003 at 04:02 PM (#514505)
Correct, we assume it's similar to modern day. The ballot comes out in Nov-Dec, voting results announced in January, induction in July.
   12. Sean Gilman Posted: June 25, 2003 at 05:29 AM (#514506)
Yeah, but the teams are from the 1903 season. So is the game a year ahead, or 4 months?
   13. DanG Posted: June 25, 2003 at 01:06 PM (#514507)
The hall of fame game is played about the same time as the inductions, in July 1903. That's about 2-1/2 months before the World Series.

After the 1903 World Series, we make up the ballot for the 1904 election, adding on all the new players who are now 5-years retired, those who last played significantly in 1898.
   14. jimd Posted: June 25, 2003 at 03:59 PM (#514508)
Do you think we can persuade McGraw and his Giants to play the defending World Champs in the HOM game for 1904?
   15. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: September 05, 2004 at 12:19 AM (#837649)
Thread could not be reconstructed.

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