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Monday, August 18, 2003

1907 Results - Sliding Billy Elected

In his first year of eligibility, Billy Hamilton was easily elected to the Hall of Merit, beating Ezra Sutton 877-674. Sutton was the runner-up for the second year in a row.

Joe Start jumped over Bid McPhee and Pud Galvin to finish 3rd. Galvin also fell behind McPhee to finish 5th. Cal McVey and Harry Stovey remained 6th and 7th, Charlie Bennett moved ahead of Sam Thompson to finish 8th, Hugh Duffy finished 9th in his first year of eligibility and Thompson rounded out the top 10.

Cupid Childs was the only other newcomer with significant support, finishing 11th.

RK   LY Player          Pts Ballots  1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9 10 11 12 13 14 15
 1  n/a Billy Hamilton  877   41.0  23  8  5  3  2
 2    2 Ezra Sutton     674   38.3   7 11  6  2  2  4        2  2     1        1.3
 3    5 Joe Start       631   37.3   5  3  9  5  3  4  4     2  1              1.3
 4    4 Bid McPhee      608   41.0   2  5  3  2  9  4  6  1  2  1     1     2  3
 5    3 Pud Galvin      599   38.0   2  2  5 11  5  4  1  3     1     1  2  1
 6    6 Cal McVey       556   38.0      5  4  8  5  4  1     1  1  4  1  1  1  2
 7    7 Harry Stovey    540   39.0      4  2  1  3  7  5  3  6  3  2  1  1  1
 8    9 Charlie Bennett 468   35.0   1  1  2  1  4  1  9  3  4  3  1     3  1  1
 9  n/a Hugh Duffy      437   37.0         1  1  2  3  3  7  4  3  5  2  3  1  2
10    8 Sam Thompson    425   36.0   1  1  1  2     1  4  4  2  8  2  2  3  3  2
11  n/a Cupid Childs    324   30.0      1     2     1  2  6     3  2  2  5  3  3
12   10 Pete Browning   265   25.5         1        3     1     4  6  6     4  0.5
13   11 Mike Tiernan    258   27.0         1           2  1  4     2  4  6  5  2
14   13 Lip Pike        221   20.0            1  1  1  1  2  4  2  1  2  1  3  1
15   12 Bob Caruthers   206   18.0         1     3  1  1  2  3  1           2  4
16   16 Mike Griffin    154   17.0            1     1           2  3  1  2  3  4
17   15 Ed Williamson   152   17.5                     1           2  7  3  4  0.5
18   14 Jim McCormick   135   13.0            1        1  1  2  1  1  2  2     2
19   18 Dickey Pearce   118   12.0               1           2  2  2     2  2  1
20   17 Mickey Welch     86    9.0                  1     2           2  1  1  2
21   21 Jim Whitney      52    5.0                  1     1              3
22   25 Charley Jones    47    5.0                              1  2  1     1
23   35 Harry Wright     45    4.0               1        1        1           1
24   20 Tony Mullane     39    5.0                                 1  1  1     2
25   24 Tip O'Neill      35    3.0                        2           1
26   19 Fred Dunlap*     32    4.0                           1           1     2
27   23 Bud Fowler       32    3.0                           1  1     1
28   27 Jack Clements    24    3.0                                 1     1     1
29   22 Billy Nash*      21    2.5                              1           1  0.5
30   28 Dave Foutz       21    2.0                           1        1
31   26 Tom York*        13    2.0                                          1  1
32  n/a Elmer Smith+     13    1.5                                 1           0.5
33   32 Tommy Bond       13    1.0                        1
34T  36 Bill Hutchison   10    1.0                                 1
34T n/a Nig Cuppy        10    1.0                                 1
36   33 Levi Meyerle      9    1.0                                    1
37  29T Jack Stivetts     7    1.0                                          1
38   31 Denny Lyons       2    0.3                                             0.3
*won tie-breaker (head-to-head on individual ballots)
+finished 2nd in tie-breaker (head-to-head on individual ballots)
Dropped Out: Ed McKean (29T), Jim Creighton (34), Bill Joyce (37T),George
Stovey (37T), Bobby Mathews (39T), Dave Orr (39T), Gus Weyhing (39T). 
Joey Numbaz (Scruff) Posted: August 18, 2003 at 08:09 PM | 10 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: August 18, 2003 at 08:20 PM (#516734)
Hamilton is an excellent choice. With his election, Sutton is the candidate to beat for '08. Jennings will get considerable peak support, but won't go too high because he didn't play at a offensive position.
   2. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: August 18, 2003 at 08:21 PM (#516735)
Hamilton is an excellent choice. With his election, Sutton is the candidate to beat for '08. Jennings will get considerable peak support, but won't go too high because he didn't play at an offensive position.
   3. Marc Posted: August 18, 2003 at 08:28 PM (#516736)
John, I still don't know what you're trying to say. Considering that Jennings DID play at a key defensive position AND HIT like an outfielder, I would think he would get a LOT of support! The guy was a monster (for five years). Ezra Sutton with his peak would be Honus Wagner, and Hughie Jennings hangin' around for 20 years--he'd be Honus Wagner, too.
   4. Marc Posted: August 18, 2003 at 10:11 PM (#516737)
PS. 45 players received votes 1906 and/or 1907. We ought to have a betting pool on when we hit 100. I'll say 1936.
   5. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: August 19, 2003 at 04:54 AM (#516739)
John, I still don't know what you're trying to say. Considering that Jennings DID play at a key defensive position AND HIT like an outfielder, I would think he would get a LOT of support!

Gee, do you like Hughie, Marc? :-)

He will get a lot of support from peak voters. I mentioned on another thread that if I weighed peak more, Ee-Yah might be my number one choice. However, I weigh peak the same as career (which is more in step with the other voters).
   6. Marc Posted: August 19, 2003 at 12:42 PM (#516741)
John and Joe, I consider peak and career equally AFTER I create my consideration set based mostly on peak (about the 20 best peaks and then I slide in about 5 players based on "special consideration"--e.g. high total career value, high ranking in the HoM voting, players I "like" [currently Sam Thompson]).

So right now I have Hughie as the #3 peak. Among 25-30 players, he will probably be 20th or so for career (wild guess). Average the two and you get 11.5. Of course it doesn't quite work that way, but in any event I didn't say he was #3 overall. But like another poster, I think posterity has underrated Hughie as a mistake in the Joe Kelley, Tommy McCarthy mold. Especially if you note that he was an outstanding defender as well as a more productive offensive player than Billy Hamilton (for 5), then I believe he was the best player in baseball for 3 to 5 years.
   7. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: August 19, 2003 at 02:55 PM (#516742)
But like another poster, I think posterity has underrated Hughie as a mistake in the Joe Kelley, Tommy McCarthy mold.

I have Jennings slightly ahead of Kelley as of right now. While Kelley didn't have Jennings peak, he had more meat to his career.

Comparing Jennings to McCarthy is a joke, so I agree that is a mistake.
   8. Rusty Priske Posted: August 20, 2003 at 11:11 AM (#516743)
Is there no Hall of Merit game this year?
   9. sean gilman Posted: August 22, 2003 at 07:44 AM (#516745)
I'm here but only barely. . .here's the game: 1907 Boston vs. Boston, Cy Young vs. Patsy Flaherty:

http://www.whatifsports.com/mlb/boxscore.asp?GameID=10196913&ad=1
   10. MattB Posted: August 22, 2003 at 12:39 PM (#516746)
Hey, is that our first extra inning game? And that's some strategy, tkaing Cy Young out in the middle of the bottom of the ninth (and it even works!) And yet I don't see anyone winning any Tex Pruiett awards.

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