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Monday, July 26, 2004

1930 Results - Sheckard, Caruthers latest HoMers

Jimmy Sheckard and Bob Caruthers have been elected to the Hall of Merit. Like 1929, two players who had been waiting awhile were finally elected.

Sheckard, the top runner-up in 1929, was elected in his 12th time on the ballot.

Caruthers had been eligible since the 1899 election and was elected posthumously in his 32nd try (he died at the age of 47 in 1911). Parisian Bob finished 11th in 1899, three players that he outpointed that year have been inducted; Charlie Bennett (12th), Cal McVey (15th), and Pud Galvin (16th).

Dickey Pearce, who finished 64 points behind Caruthers is the top returning vote getter for 1931. George Van Haltren leapt into 4th place, edging Jake Beckley by two points and Lip Pike by 18. Clark Griffith, Rube Foster, Jimmy Ryan and Hughie Jennings rounded out the top 10.

RK   LY  Player             PTS  Bal   1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9 10 11 12 13 14 15
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 1    3  Jimmy Sheckard     754   40   9 10  6  4  2  2  1     1  2     1     1  1
 2    4  Bob Caruthers      693   41   9  5  6  3  1  3  1  1  4     2  1  3  2   
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 3    5  Dickey Pearce      629   39   7  6  4  2  3  2  2  1     3     1  2  4  2
 4    8  George Van Haltren 534   37   1  3  5  5  1  3  4  2  2  2  2  3  2  2   
 5    7  Jake Beckley       532   34      7  4  5  4  2  1  2  2  1     1  3     2
 6    6  Lip Pike           516   32   6  3  3  2  3     2  2  5  1  1     4      
 7    9  Clark Griffith     481   38   2     1  3  2  3  3  4  3  3  6  3  3  1  1
 8   10  Rube Foster        479   31   4  2  1  5  4  1  3  1  4  2  1     1     2
 9   11  Jimmy Ryan         443   33   1  2  3  2  3  2  2  4  2  3  2  1  2  1  3
10   15  Hughie Jennings    429   31   1  2  3  1  1  4  6  3  2     3  1     2  2
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
11   12  Roger Bresnahan    399   32      1  1  2  1  5  1  7     4  2  4  1  2  1
12   13  Mickey Welch       384   27   5  1  1  2  3  2  1  1        2  1  1  5  2
13   14  Cupid Childs       380   33      1  1  2  1  4  2  1  2  5  4  1  1  4  4
14   16  Rube Waddell       350   26         5  1  4  2  2  2  2  3  1     1  2  1
15   17  Hugh Duffy         345   28   1  1  1  2  1  2     4  1  3  5  3  1     3
16   18  Pete Browning      344   24   1  2  2  3  4     2     1  4     1  3     1
17   20  Bill Monroe        272   23   1  1        3  1     1  2  2  5  3     2  2
18   21  Tommy Leach        240   23               2  1     4  2  2  1  3  4  2  2
19   22  Charley Jones      229   16      2     2     3  2     3  2     2         
20   19  Larry Doyle        227   17   2  1        1     2  2  1  1  2  4     1   
21   23  Spotswood Poles    219   22         1        1  1  3  2  1  1  3  2  3  4
22   24  Ed Cicotte         148   11      1  1  1  1  2              3     1     1
23   26  Frank Chance       143   12            1  1  1  1  2     1  1  3     1   
24   25  Gavy Cravath       129   12         1  1        2     1        1  4  1  1
25   27  Ed Williamson      123   11                  1     2  3  1  2     1  1   
26   30  John McGraw        120   10   1     1     1  1        1           1  3  1
27   28  Addie Joss          88    7                  1  3     1  1        1      
28   29  Fielder Jones       75    7               1           1  1  2  1     1   
29   n/e Del Pratt           61    6               1  1                 2        2                               
30   32  Vic Willis          55    5                  1  1           1  1     1
31   36T Lave Cross          54    5               1        1           1  2   
32   34  Jim McCormick       53    6                     1           1  1  1     2
33   38  Mike Tiernan        51    5                     1     1     1     1  1   
34   31  Ed Konetchy         48    4            1        1        1              1
35   35  Tommy Bond          43    4                     2              1        1
36   33  Herman Long         42    5                           1           2  2   
37   36T Bruce Petway        41    4                     1  1                 2
38   41  Tony Mullane        32    4                              1        1  1  1
39   39  Silver King         19    2                              1        1  
40   n/e John Donaldson      18    2                           1                 1
41   40  Donnie Bush         17    1            1
42   42  Tom York            16    1               1
43   --  Mike Griffin        13    2                                          1  1 
44   46T Harry Wright        12    2                                             2 
45T  46T Jimmy Williams       9    1                                    1
45T  51T Fred Dunlap          9    1                                    1         
45T  n/e Jake Daubert         9    1                                    1
48   48T Joe Tinker           8    1                                       1
49T  44T Levi Meyerle         7    1                                          1
49T  51T Billy Nash           7    1                                          1
51T  48T Ray Chapman          6    1                                             1
51T  --  Roy Thomas           6    1                                             1
51T  --  Bobby Mathews        6    1                                             1
51T  --  Jim Whitney          6    1                                             1
Dropped Out: S.White(43), J.Evers(44T), G.Beaumont(48T), H.Vaughn(51T)
Joey Numbaz (Scruff) Posted: July 26, 2004 at 06:46 AM | 13 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Joey Numbaz (Scruff) Posted: July 26, 2004 at 07:09 AM (#755831)
Moving this to the hot topics. Thanks to Patrick, Ron and John who sent tallies, especially Patrick who sent a formatted copy over the weekend, that saved me a ton of time posting the results.

Sorry I was late . . .
   2. Dag Nabbit: secretary of the World Banana Forum Posted: July 26, 2004 at 01:51 PM (#755930)
51 ballots. Jimmy Ryan was placed in every slot on the ballot & still managed to be left off over 1/3 of them.
   3. DavidFoss Posted: July 26, 2004 at 05:39 PM (#756319)
I was thinking a Cubs cap for Sheckard and a Cardinals cap (Browns when he was there) for Caruthers.

Any disagreements? Sheckard's peak may have been with Brooklyn and Caruthers also played quite a bit for Brooklyn as well.
   4. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: July 26, 2004 at 05:52 PM (#756335)
I was thinking a Cubs cap for Sheckard and a Cardinals cap (Browns when he was there) for Caruthers.

That's what I have for them on their plaques (though Caruthers will have the Browns, not Cardinal, cap).
   5. Jeff M Posted: July 28, 2004 at 01:29 AM (#759933)
Joe, when you post results, can you also post how many voters voted? Thanks.
   6. DanG Posted: July 30, 2004 at 08:19 PM (#765404)
HoMers Born in Each Decade

1836-45: 1
1837-46: 1
1838-47: 3
1839-48: 3
1840-49: 3
1841-50: 8
1842-51: 8
1843-52: 9
1844-53: 9
1845-54: 11
1846-55: 12
1847-56: 14
1848-57: 16
1849-58: 17
1850-59: 20
1851-60: 17
1852-61: 18
1853-62: 16
1854-63: 16
1855-64: 15
1856-65: 14
1857-66: 13
1858-67: 11
1859-68: 12
1860-69: 10
1861-70: 11
1862-71: 13
1863-72: 15
1864-73: 16
1865-74: 17
1866-75: 19
1867-76: 20
1868-77: 18
1869-78: 17
1870-79: 16
1871-80: 16
1872-81: 14
1873-82: 12
1874-83: 11
1875-84: 10

Pearce (1836) will make that first line 2. Lloyd (1884) will make the last line 11.

There is a lull centering around 1863-64. Caruthers is the first HoMer born 1862-65 (one each for 1861,66). The strongest candidate remaining from then is Ryan.

Presumably, the Civil War led to a decreased birth rate. It raises a chicken/egg question: Do we (and should we) have fewer HoMers in the 1890's due to this smaller pool? Or is the lower number of HoMers born in the 1860's due to us shortchanging the 1890's stars?
   7. DanG Posted: July 30, 2004 at 08:22 PM (#765411)
Top Players Born Each Year 1835-84

1835: H. Wright
1836: D. Pearce
1837:
1838: D. Birdsall
1839
1840: A. Reach – J. Knowdell
1841: J. Creighton - A. Brainard – W. Fisler
1-1842: J. START – F. Malone
1843: J. Chapman
1844: G. Zettlein – B. Craver
1845: L. Pike – L. Meyerle – B. Ferguson – D. McBride – N. Cuthbert – E. Mills
1846: A. Leonard – H. Schafer
2-1847: D. WHITE – G. WRIGHT
1848: C. Cummings
1849: D. Force – J. Devlin – G. Hall – C. Nelson
5-1850: J. O’ROURKE – R. BARNES – E. SUTTON – A. SPALDING – C. McVEY – C. Jones – J. Peters
0-1851: T. York – B. Mathews – J. Clapp – D. Higham – D. Eggler – P. Gillespie
2-1852: C. ANSON – P. HINES – G. Bradley – J. Burdock – O. Shaffer – J. Quest
0-1853: J. Manning – M. Dorgan
2-1854: C. RADBOURN – C. BENNETT – W. White – P. Snyder
1-1855: H. RICHARDSON – S. Flint – H. Carpenter – J. Morrill
2-1856: P. GALVIN – H. STOVEY –J. McCormick – T. Bond – G. Hecker – D. Foutz – J. Rowe
4-1857: R. CONNOR – K. KELLY – G. GORE – T. KEEFE – E. Williamson – J. Whitney – A. Dalrymple – N. Hanlon
1-1858: D. BROUTHERS – T. O’Neill – J. Reilly – G. Wood
3-1859: B. EWING – J. GLASSCOCK – B. McPHEE – M. Welch – T. Mullane –F. Dunlap – D. Orr – L. Corcoran – B. Hutchison – J. Denny – C. Comiskey
2-1860: J. WARD – S. THOMPSON – A. Latham – C. Zimmer – H. Larkin – F. Pfeffer – T. Brown –B. Shindle
1-1861: J. CLARKSON – P. Browning – C. Buffinton – P. Radford – J. Milligan
0-1862: D. Hoy – E. Morris – C. Welch – G. Pinkney – C. Mack – J. Wolf
0-1863: J. Ryan – D. McGuire – W. Robinson – T. McCarthy – C. Ferguson – T. Tucker – B. Ely – G. Smith – M. Baldwin
1-1864: B. CARUTHERS – E. McKean – J. Clements – O. Burns – A. Terry – F. Carroll
0-1865: M. Griffin – B. Nash – B. Lowe – B. Joyce – P. Donovan – B. Cunningham
1-1866: B. HAMILTON – G. Van Haltren – H. Duffy – H. Long – L. Cross – G. Weyhing – D. Farrell – D. Lyons – K. Gleason – T. Daly – M. Kilroy
2-1867: C. YOUNG – E. DELAHANTY – J. Beckley – C. Childs – M. Tiernan – J. Stenzel – S. McMahon – B. Kennedy
2-1868: J. BURKETT – F. GRANT – S. White - J. Stivetts – S. King – E. Smith – S. Brodie – F. Dwyer
1-1869: K. NICHOLS – C. Griffith – H. Jennings – T. Breitenstein – T. Corcoran – N. Cuppy – J. Doyle – J. O’Connor
3-1870: G. DAVIS – B. DAHLEN – J. COLLINS – F. Killen – H. Peitz
3-1871: A. RUSIE – J. KELLEY – J. MCGINNITY – F. Jones – F. Tenney – S. Leever – B. Freeman – B. Lange
2-1872: F. CLARKE – W. KEELER – C. Seymour – D. Phillippe – A. Orth – P. Hawley – K. Selbach – S. Mertes
1-1873: B. WALLACE – J. McGraw – H. Davis – R. Donahue – C. Stahl – C. Ritchey
2-1874: H. WAGNER – N. LAJOIE – R. Thomas – J. Powell – J. Chesbro – J. Tannehill – T. Hartsel – J. Taylor
2-1875: E. PLANK – G. JOHNSON – J. Kling – K. Elberfeld
2-1876: M. BROWN – E. FLICK – R. Waddell – V. Willis – G. Beaumont – D. Murphy – J. Williams – B. Donovan – B. Dineen – J. Titus
0-1877: T. Leach – B. Monroe - F. Chance – H. Steinfeldt
1-1878: J. SHECKARD – M. Donlin – B. Bradley
0-1879: R. Foster - R. Bresnahan – M. Huggins – Do. White – A. Devlin – N. Hahn – J. Austin
3-1880: C. MATHEWSON – S. CRAWFORD – P. HILL – J. Tinker – A. Joss – G. Mullin – C. Meyers
1-1881: E. WALSH – G. Cravath – J. Evers – D. Paskert
0-1882: E. Reulbach – F. Schulte – B. Adams – R. Ames – J. Coombs
0-1883: J. Quinn – H. Chase – L. Leifield
1-1884: S. MAGEE – P. Lloyd - E. Cicotte – J. Daubert – C. Bender – N. Rucker – B. Bescher
   8. EricC Posted: July 30, 2004 at 10:07 PM (#765778)
Top Players Born Each Year 1835-84

The Civil War "baby bust" is certainly quite dramatic.
   9. jimd Posted: July 30, 2004 at 10:21 PM (#765863)
I don't see anyone from 1882-3 even getting a vote.
   10. karlmagnus Posted: July 30, 2004 at 10:24 PM (#765876)
Hal Chase would have got a few votes if we'd really been balloting in 1925.
   11. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: July 30, 2004 at 11:04 PM (#766073)
I don't see anyone from 1882-3 even getting a vote.

Babe Adams or Jack Quinn may still gather a vote.
   12. jimd Posted: July 31, 2004 at 01:27 AM (#766655)
Actually, I suppose you're right about Quinn; he's another Rixey, pitching forever with hardly any peak. He'll get some votes.

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