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Tuesday, December 21, 2004

1941 Ballot Results: The Babe and the Rajah Belt Their Way Into the Hall of Merit!

In his first year of eligibility, Babe Ruth (who many think is the greatest player of all-time)  became the fourth unanimous selection in HoM history (Cy Young, Honus Wagner and Walter Johnson being the other three).

In also his first year of eligibility, second base legend Rogers Hornsby earned the most points (1,196) and highest percentage of votes (95.83%) of any second-place finisher up to this point to win the second slot for induction this “year.”

The combined point total of both inductees (2.491) is a new HoM record for a two-inductee “year,” too.

Newbie Dazzy Vance seems certain of induction next “year” with his strong third-place showing.

Rounding out the top-ten returnees are: Eppa Rixey, Joe Sewell, Clark Griffith, Tommy Leach, George Sisler, Hughie Jennings and Jake Beckley.

RK   LY  Player                   PTS  Bal   1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9 10 11 12 13 14 15
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 1  n/e  Babe Ruth               1272   53  53                                          
 2  n/e  Rogers Hornsby          1219   53     53                                       
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 3  n/e  Dazzy Vance              566   38         8  8  5  2  3  4  2  2  3           1
 4    4  Eppa Rixey               419   33         2  3  3  3  7  4     1  1  1  5  1  2
 5    3  Joe Sewell               390   32         4  3  2  2  4  1  2     3  3  2  3  3
 6    6  Clark Griffith           371   31         4  3  1  1  2  3  2  3  2  2  3  1  4
 7    5  Hughie Jennings          362   26         5  5  1  4  2  1  1     1  2  2  2   
 8    9  Tommy Leach              358   30            3  2  2  2  4  5  3  1  3  2  1  2
 9    7  George Sisler            355   28         4  3  2  2  1  2  5     1  2  2  2  2
10    8  Jake Beckley             343   26         4  3  1  1  2  3  1  5  3  1  2      
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11   10  George Van Haltren       319   23         5  1  3  2  3  3  1  2           1  2
12   11  Rube Waddell             300   26         1     3  2  1  2  2  4  4  4  1     2
13   14  John Beckwith            281   22         4  2  2  1  2  1  2  1  1  1  1  1  3
14   12  Hugh Duffy               270   21            3  3  3  1  3  1  1  1  1  3  1   
15   18  Cannonball Dick Redding  264   24            2  1     2  3  1  3  4  3  1  3  1
16   16  Cupid Childs             246   21            1  5  2  1        2  4  1  1  2  2
17   13  Mickey Welch             240   16         6  2  2  1  1     1     1  1        1
18   15  Pete Browning            239   19         2  2  3  1  1  2     2  1        4  1
19   17  Edd Roush                229   21         1        2     3  2  6     1  2  3  1
20   19  Burleigh Grimes          184   15            2     4  1  2  1        2  1     2
21   22  Roger Bresnahan          169   16            1  2     1     2     3  1  2  3  1
22   21  Larry Doyle              161   13         1     2  2     1  1  3  1        1  1
23   26  Jimmy Ryan               156   14            1     2  1  2     3  1        2  2
24   25  Charley Jones            156   12         1  1  3  1  1           2  1  1  1   
25   20  Wally Schang             155   14         1  1     1  1        4  1  1  2     2
26   23  José Méndez              145   13               1  3  1        1  1  2  3  1   
27   24  Sam Rice                 125   11               1  1  2  1  1  1     1     3   
28   28  Bill Monroe              121   12                  2  1        1  2  2  1  2  1
29  n/e  Pie Traynor              113   10            1        1  1  1  2  2  1        1
30   30  George J. Burns          111   11                        1  3  1  1  2  2  1   
31   32  Dobie Moore               91   10                           1  1  1  5     1  1
32T  27  Harry Hooper              88    8            1        1  1  1     1     2     1
32T  29  Bobby Veach               88    8               1     1  1  1     2        1  1
34   31  Vic Willis                61    6                  1  1     1           1     2
35   34  John McGraw               61    5                  1  1     2           1      
36   33  Fielder Jones             59    6               1  1              1           3
37   36  Ben Taylor                56    5               1        1  1           1  1   
38   41  Wilbur Cooper             52    5            1              1        1  1     1
39   39T Frank Chance              50    6                  1                 1     2  2
40   35  Carl Mays                 48    5                           2  1           1  1
41   38  Gavy Cravath              47    4                     2           1  1         
42   39T Urban Shocker             45    6                           1              3  2
43   37  Hack Wilson               43    4                     1     1        1  1      
44   43  Spotswood Poles           35    3               1        1                    1
45   44  Rabbit Maranville         33    4                                    2  1  1   
46   47  Ed Williamson             31    3                        1           2         
47   45  Ed Konetchy               30    3                  1                    1  1   
48   42  Ed Cicotte                23    2                  1                    1      
49   46  Addie Joss                22    3                                       1  2   
50   50  Dave Bancroft             16    2                                       2      
51   51  Lave Cross                16    1               1                              
52   58  Tom York                  14    1                     1                        
53   52  Dolf Luque                13    1                        1                     
54T  55  Donie Bush                12    1                           1                  
54T  56T Fred Dunlap               12    1                           1                  
54T  59  Sam Leever                12    1                           1                  
54T  48  Del Pratt                 12    1                           1                  
58T  62  Duke Farrell              10    1                                 1            
58T  60  Jack Fournier             10    1                                 1            
60   49  Jim McCormick              9    1                                    1         
61   53  Ray Schalk                 8    1                                       1      
62   61  Ross Youngs                7    1                                          1   
63   54  Jack Quinn                 6    1                                             1
Dropped Out: Tommy Bond(56T).

John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: December 21, 2004 at 01:20 AM | 18 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: December 21, 2004 at 02:50 AM (#1032597)
hot topics
   2. Kelly in SD Posted: December 21, 2004 at 02:58 AM (#1032614)
I am shocked, shocked to find there is gambling going on
   3. Cblau Posted: December 21, 2004 at 03:46 AM (#1032666)
Looks like the last 52 voters subordinated their judgement to the consensus.
   4. Cblau Posted: December 21, 2004 at 03:49 AM (#1032676)
I thought the results would show who'll win in 1942, since there aren't any strong new candidates. The Dazzler looks like a lock, but Rixey in 4th was closer to 13th than he was to third, so the second electee is up for grabs.
   5. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: December 21, 2004 at 04:00 AM (#1032695)
but Rixey in 4th was closer to 13th than he was to third, so the second electee is up for grabs.

You're correct, Cblau. He is by no means certain of induction.
   6. Lemon Curry? Posted: December 21, 2004 at 04:02 AM (#1032698)
Van Haltren has really lost his momentum. Out of the top 10. And to think just ten "years" ago, he came within a whisker of being elected, and would have been elected had it been a two-inductee year.
   7. Howie Menckel Posted: December 21, 2004 at 04:02 AM (#1032700)
ALL-TIME PTS LEADERS, thru 1940
1. Lip Pike 13,399
2. Sam Thompson 12,349
3. Charlie Bennett 11,503
4. G VAN HALTREN 10,980.5
5. HUGH DUFFY 10,962
6. Bob Caruthers 10,704
7. HUGHIE JENNINGS 10,700
8. JAKE BECKLEY 10,210
9. PETE BROWNING 9966.5
10. Harry Stovey 9576


ACTIVE PTS LEADERS
1. G VAN HALTREN 10,980.5
2. HUGH DUFFY 10,962
3. HUGHIE JENNINGS 10,700
4. JAKE BECKLEY 10,210
5. PETE BROWNING 9966.5
6. JIMMY RYAN 9482
7. CLARK GRIFFITH 8564
8. RUBE WADDELL 8403
9. CUPID CHILDS 7687
10. MICKEY WELCH 7527
(Bresnahan 5374, Leach 4328, C Jones 4087, Williamson 3994, Monroe 3797, McCormick 3095)
   8. Howie Menckel Posted: December 21, 2004 at 04:03 AM (#1032703)
AND of course that's actually thru 1941...
   9. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: December 21, 2004 at 04:06 AM (#1032714)
Van Haltren has really lost his momentum. Out of the top 10. And to think just ten "years" ago, he came within a whisker of being elected, and would have been elected had it been a two-inductee year.

Bad luck on his part. I don't see him able to make it now, but you never know.
   10. PhillyBooster Posted: December 21, 2004 at 04:08 AM (#1032723)
Well, 1942 -- if nothing else -- will give us a sense of the relative strength of the "peak", "prime" and "career" votes.

Looks like our "Top 9" will some combination of the pitchers: Peak Vance, Prime Griffith and Career Rixey; the defense infielders: Peak Jennings, Prime Sewell, and Career Leach; and the first basemen: Peak Sisler, Prime Terry, and Career Beckley.

Are you picking the same three from each troika? Should you be?
   11. OCF Posted: December 21, 2004 at 04:36 AM (#1032789)
The average consensus score was +5.0, up from last year's -7.2. The difference two unifying candidates can make. Of course, they're elected, and we're probably headed for another negative average in 1942.

The best possible score was +17. The following people's scores round to +12: favre, Buddha, Brad G, jschmeagol, and Chris Cobb. (favre at 12.3 was the top). I was at +11 along with the newcomer Ardo. The biggest swing from last year to this year was Buddha, from -11 to +12.

The lowest scores were Guapo (-6), robc (-4), EricC (-2), John Murphy (-2), jhwinfrey (-2) and the other newcomer, Mike Webber (-1).

51 voters returned from last year, everyone who voted in 1940. Dan Rosenheck and Brian H. last voted in 1939. The most disagreed about candidate was Jennings, followed by Van Haltren, then Vance and Welch. Equalizing for ballot position, you could point to Welch as the most divisive candidate. Of course, there was zero disagreement about Ruth and Hornsby.
   12. Michael Bass Posted: December 21, 2004 at 04:45 AM (#1032808)
The key, when predicting who will be inducted next year, is figuring out who will gain the big elect me positions vacated by the two no-brainers.

Obviously, Vance will pad his lead even more as he moves into about 16 top 2s. But Rixey has less potential elect me votes (barring ballot changes, of course) than his 3 closest competitors and 5 of the next 6.

I think this election for 2nd will be as tight as they come. The only potential for a blowout is Terry, as he is an unknown, but I'd be surprised to see that matieralize.
   13. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: December 21, 2004 at 04:50 AM (#1032825)
The lowest scores were Guapo (-6), robc (-4), EricC (-2), John Murphy (-2), jhwinfrey (-2) and the other newcomer, Mike Webber (-1).

Losing Pike actually hurt me in that department this time. Having Vance on my ballot next time should help some.
   14. robc Posted: December 21, 2004 at 04:45 PM (#1033494)
I find my low consensus score interesting considering that one of the major adjustment factors I use to my system is the previous years position in the vote. It provides a nice balancing out for players my system misses or players my system overrates. Of course, the fact that everyone else is completely missing the boat on Cross,Hooper,Jones and Veach may have something to do with it.

Philly:
1. Sewell-prime
2. Terry-prime
7. Vance-peak

13. Rixey-career
Other 5 will be off my ballot
   15. favre Posted: December 21, 2004 at 10:33 PM (#1034357)
You know, it's funny--my consensus score means that I tended to agree the most with a group of very thoughtful and insightful voters. Yet I can't help but feel a little bit of shame...
   16. TomH Posted: January 05, 2005 at 09:19 PM (#1059049)
How close has anyone come in recent elections to naming all of the top 15 consensus finishers on their ballot?

My unrequited love for Chance and McGraw (and Doyle and Bresnahan and Traynor) will keep me from leading this category.

Conversely, I usually have enough names that are among the consensus that I won't in any avant garde award for 'fewest of top 15', either, but I'd be interested in seeing if anyone has voted for 4 or fewer some year.
   17. OCF Posted: January 06, 2005 at 01:10 AM (#1059534)
Tom - Hmm, I think I can do that. For the 1941 election:

The voter who selected the largest number of top 15 candidates was Brad G with 12. There were 7 voters (including favre and me) with 11 of the top 15 and 10 voters with 10 of the top 15. Gaupo only had 5 of the top 15 (and everyone got 2 for free in 1941).

There's nothing all that magic about the top 15 - after all, the vote totals aren't very different between #15 and #16, or for that matter #10 and #25.

Who got the most of the top 10 candidates? Brad G and favre, with 9 each. (John Murphy, Kelly from SD, and Gaupo 4 each).

Who got the most of the top 20 candidates? Brad G, favre, and Buddha, with 14 each. (Eric C and Guapo, 6 each).

Who got the most of the top 25 candidates? Brad G, Don F, and DanG each got all 15 of theirs in the top 25. (Gaupo 7.)

As for you, Tom: 6 of the top 10, 9 of the top 15, 11 of the top 20, 13 of the top 25.
   18. TomH Posted: January 06, 2005 at 02:21 PM (#1060327)
Thanks, OCF. I seem to be a confirmed moderate.

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