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Hall of Merit— A Look at Baseball's All-Time Best
Monday, May 15, 2006
1976 Results: “Flash” and “Esse Hombre” Get Their Hall of Merit Plaques!
In his 21st election, Yankee and Indian star Joe Gordon got his HoM ticket stamped with 42% of all possible points.
In his 19th year of eligibility, Negro League slugger Willard Brown also achieved immortality by earning 38% of all possible points. He is now our 25th NeL selection.
Rounding out the top-ten were: George Sisler (missed it by this much), José Méndez , Minnie Minoso , Cannonball Dick Redding , Ralph Kiner, Joe Sewell (back in the top-ten after a long absence), Dobie Moore, and Hugh Duffy .
RK LY Player PTS Bal 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15
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1 5 Joe Gordon 511 34 1 6 4 2 1 2 4 1 4 2 1 3 1 1 1
2 3 Willard Brown 464 32 4 1 2 2 4 2 2 4 1 3 2 3 2
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3 4 George Sisler 460 33 2 3 6 5 1 2 4 3 4 2 1
4 6 José Méndez 421 26 5 1 3 3 4 1 1 2 1 1 1 1 2
5 7 Minnie Minoso 403 35 2 2 1 3 1 3 3 6 2 2 2 3 5
6 8 Cannonball Dick Redding 384 25 5 1 1 4 2 1 1 1 2 1 1 2 3
7 12 Joe Sewell 352 26 1 2 1 3 1 4 3 1 1 3 4 1 1
8 11 Ralph Kiner 348 27 3 1 1 4 1 2 3 1 5 2 2 2
9 9 Dobie Moore 340 23 3 2 4 2 1 1 1 2 1 2 1 2 1
10 10 Hugh Duffy 328 21 2 2 3 2 4 3 1 1 1 1 1
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11 16 Jake Beckley 315 21 4 1 3 1 2 1 1 2 1 1 1 1 2
12 14 George Van Haltren 298 19 2 3 1 1 1 4 3 3 1
13 13 Pete Browning 291 20 3 2 2 1 1 4 2 1 1 3
14 19 Ken Boyer 290 24 2 1 2 2 1 3 1 1 1 1 6 3
15 18 Billy Pierce 288 22 2 1 2 2 2 2 3 1 2 1 1 3
16 15 Cupid Childs 287 21 3 2 1 3 1 2 3 2 2 2
17 17 Rube Waddell 276 19 2 5 1 2 3 1 4 1
18 20 Nellie Fox 248 18 1 1 3 2 2 1 3 1 1 1 1 1
19 26 Charley Jones 227 14 1 3 1 1 2 3 1 1 1
20 21 Quincy Trouppe 216 16 3 1 4 1 1 2 1 2 1
21 24 Bucky Walters 215 18 1 1 1 1 3 2 1 1 1 2 2 2
22 23 Edd Roush 208 16 2 1 2 1 1 1 2 2 1 3
23 22 Mickey Welch 195 11 3 1 2 1 2 1 1
24 25 Tommy Leach 188 14 2 1 1 1 1 2 1 1 4
25 27 Roger Bresnahan 185 14 2 1 1 1 2 2 1 1 2 1
26 29 Bob Johnson 166 13 2 1 1 2 1 5 1
27 30 Gavy Cravath 165 12 1 1 1 2 1 2 1 1 2
28 28 Alejandro Oms 164 14 1 1 1 1 1 1 2 1 1 3 1
29 32 Bob Elliott 162 14 2 1 2 1 1 2 4 1
30 31 Burleigh Grimes 146 10 1 1 2 1 1 2 1 1
31 34 Charlie Keller 145 10 2 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1
32 33 Larry Doyle 140 9 1 2 3 2 1
33 35 Wally Schang 99 7 1 3 1 1 1
34 36 Dizzy Dean 88 9 1 2 3 2 1
35 37 John McGraw 88 5 2 2 1
36 50 Ben Taylor 70 6 1 1 1 1 1 1
37 42 Vic Willis 69 7 1 1 1 2 1 1
38 38 Tommy Bridges 66 6 1 1 1 1 2
39 44 Sam Rice 57 6 2 1 2 1
40 45 Jimmy Ryan 56 6 1 1 1 2 1
41 39 Vern Stephens 52 4 2 1 1
42 40 Addie Joss 51 4 1 1 1 1
43 51 Elston Howard 50 6 1 1 2 1 1
44 41 Bill Monroe 49 4 1 1 1 1
45 43 Pie Traynor 47 3 1 1 1
46 49 Phil Rizzuto 45 4 1 1 1 1
47 46 Carl Mays 43 4 2 1 1
48 48 Lefty Gomez 38 3 1 2
49 52 Dutch Leonard 35 3 1 2
50T 56T Ernie Lombardi 34 3 2 1
50T 47 Ed Williamson 34 3 1 1 1
52 55 Tony Mullane 33 4 1 1 1 1
53 53 Fielder Jones 32 2 1 1
54 73T Dave Bancroft 30 3 1 1 1
55 54 Frank Chance 28 2 1 1
56 59 Rabbit Maranville 27 2 1 1
57 58 Gil Hodges 26 2 1 1
58 56T Ed Cicotte 23 2 1 1
59 69T Virgil Trucks 21 2 1 1
60 60 Fred Dunlap 19 2 1 1
61 n/e Luke Easter 18 1 1
62 71T Hack Wilson 16 2 1 1
63 61 Chuck Klein 15 1 1
64T 67T Herman Long 14 1 1
64T 62T Red Schoendienst 14 1 1
64T 64T Dizzy Trout 14 1 1
67T 67T Artie Wilson 13 1 1
67T 64T Bob Friend 13 1 1
67T 62T Sam Leever 13 1 1
70T 69T Bus Clarkson 12 1 1
70T 64T Bobby Veach 12 1 1
72T n/e Buzz Arlett 10 1 1
72T 71T Wilbur Cooper 10 1 1
72T 73T Dom DiMaggio 10 1 1
75 75 Curt Simmons 8 1 1
76 n/e George J. Burns 7 1 1
77T n/e Dick Bartell 6 1 1
77T n/e Wally Berger 6 1 1
77T n/e George Kell 6 1 1
Ballots Cast: 51
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Maury Wills ahead of Joe Gordon. Roger Maris ahead of Rocky Colavito. Marty Marion ahead of Ken Boyer. Vada Pinson ahead of Dick Allen.
This is the Hall of FAME, after all, not the Hall of Merit or in Allen's case the Hall of the Infamous.
Is Barnes even eligible? Do they waive the '10 year rule' for guys like him? Also, Caruthers is barely eligible. He needs his 14G in the OF in 1893 to get that tenth year in.
Adam Schafer Daryn 73 yest 68 DrChlko 3 MkDnlsn 3AJM MBass 61 TomH 57 yest 17 kmagnus 8
Al Peterson asiegel 48 JNewbrg 48 ASchafr 13 kmagnus 12
Andrew M Sunydy2 65 favre 58 DrChlk 14 KJOK 7
andrew siegel JNewbrg 61 DanG 61 DFoss 16 kmagnus 10
Ardo CFluit 74 MBass 66 RPriske 20 kmagnus 17
Brent CFluit 62 Tbreau 57 kmagnus 10 KJOK 10
Chris Cobb CFluit 62 HMenkel 56 yest 18 kmagnus 15
Chris Fluit Ardo 74 JNewbrg 64 DanG 23 kmagnus 19
danb rwagman 62 MkDnlsn 58 EricC 12 KJOK 10
DanG RPriske 66 asiegel 61 DrChlko 16 MkDnlsn 16
Daryn ASchafr 73 yest 57 DLfrMN 12 PatW 4
David Foss RWargo 58 HMenkel 56 asiegel 16 RPriske 16
Devin McCullen JNewbrg 63 MBass 61 yest 11 kmagnus 6
DL from MN OCF 57 HMenkel 55 MPrknsn 6 RickA 5
Dr. Chaleeko KellySD 67 Tbreau 61 JimSp 6 ASchafr 3
EricC JimSp 60 Ardo 59 kmagnus 8 jschmgl 7
Esteban Rivera Sunydy2 64 MkDnlsn 60 JimSp 5 PatW 4
favre Sunydy2 66 AndrewM 58 EricC 21 Brent 20
Howie Menckel RobWood 66 favre 57 DrChlko 14 KellySD 13
James Newburg CFluit 64 DMcCuln 63 yest 12 kmagnus 4
Jeff M danb 52 rwagman 51 DLfrMN 16 KJOK 10
Jim Sp EricC 60 RobWood 51 ERivera 5 RickA 3
jimd TomH 63 MBass 59 kmagnus 12 DrChlko 12
Joe Dimino HMenkel 56 CCobb 49 JMurphy 10 RWargo 6
John Murphy Tbreau 61 danb 47 JDimino 10 MPrknsn 7
jschmeagol MkDnlsn 64 danb 55 ASchafr 12 EricC 7
karlmagnus Daryn 55 ERivera 53 JNewbrg 4 PatW 0
Kelly in SD DrChlko 67 RickA 62 JimSp 8 PFelizN 8
Ken Fischer CFluit 50 AJM 49 DrChlko 15 MkDnlsn 14
KJOK TomH 50 DFoss 47 MkDnlsn 5 Sunydy2 3
Mark Donelson Tbreau 71 jschmgl 64 KJOK 5 ASchafr 3
Max Parkinson RickA 63 RWargo 62 PatW 5 MWebber 4
Michael Bass TBgarth 67 Ardo 66 JDimino 17 kmagnus 9
Mike Webber DanG 61 SWW 59 kmagnus 8 MPrknsn 4
OCF Ardo 60 DLfrMN 57 JMurphy 15 kmagnus 13
Patrick W TomH 65 AJM 54 ERivera 4 kmagnus 0
Pedro Feliz N. SWW 61 Daryn 56 Tbreau 13 KellySD 8
rawagman danb 62 ERivera 54 PatW 18 DNfrMN 17
Rick A MPrknsn 63 MkDnlsn 62 DLfrMN 5 JimSp 3
Rob Wood TomH 69 HMenkel 66 MPrknsn 13 DrChlko 11
Ron Wargo MPrknsn 62 DFoss 58 DLfrMN 8 JDimino 6
Rusty Priske DanG 66 TrevorP 58 EricC 11 DLfrMN 11
Sean Gilman KellySD 57 ERivera 55 KJOK 11 DLfrMN 9
Sunnyday2 favre 66 AndrewM 65 EricC 14 KJOK 3
SWW PFelizN 61 MWebber 59 kmagnus 12 KJOK 7
Thane/Bagarth MBass 67 MPrknsn 60 RPriske 15 TrevorP 13
Tiboreau MkDnlsn 71 DrChlko 61 KJOK 7 yest 7
TomH RobWood 69 PatW 65 kmagnus 16 ERivera 16
Trevor P RobWood 61 RPriske 58 TBgarth 13 EricC 11
yest ASchafr 68 Daryn 57 Tbreau 7 PatW 4
Every player that has ever received more than 50% of the vote from the BBWAA but failed to get 75% has been eventually inducted by the Veteran's Committee. With only one exception.
I view Hodges induction to the HOF as inevitable.
By the same criterion, I view the inductions of Jim Rice, Andre Dawson, Rich Gossage, and Bert Blyleven as now inevitable.
They won't be close to being the worst selections ever.
Daryn ASchafr 73 yest 57
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I'd go further with the idea. The Hall of Merit should do a ballot of the final grouping, write an executive summary of the top 10 finishers, publish it in the most mainstream fashion possible and send it to all the voters. The plaques are already written, it shouldn't be too hard to complete.
I think Joe's mindset is probably the norm, Eric. It made sense to e-mail our views about certain players to the Negro League Committee since they were a scholarly group, but I'm afraid the Vets' Committee wouldn't even deign to look at it.
Nice work, OCF! I find it amusing that Joe and I are almost polar opposites ballot-wise. It wasn't that way "years" ago.
I think you hit the nail on the head, Dan.
I must say that while Dawson, Rice, and hodges are not the worst selectiosn ever, it makes me glad the HOM exists. I am against all the induction of all three, not being the worst selection ever is setting the bar REALLY low. I guess all but Hodges would be better than Sutter, however.
and a 75% majority is required. Tough to do (especially for anyone the living players don't remember). Almost looks like they'll come up empty again, but it'd be fun to make up a final 25-30 list.
Who is Mr. 'Not Yet Expired'? Anyone know?
Still Hodges would be approx. a Grade C (maybe C-, he is not a D) HoFer. It is not the fault of the current VC that G. Kelly, J. Bottomley et al are already in there. So saying Hodges would not be the worst choice is very very faint praise indeed. I just can't get too worked up in opposition to Hodges. Re. the HoF, I mean, who cares?
But I still think they will elect no one. What exactly has Hodges done in the past 2 years to get more votes?
Don't forget he's getting "Amazin'" votes, too. It's not all playing career when it comes to the HOF electorate.
Not that I disgaree with your overall point, Mark.
I like that Rob Wood guy's way of thinking!
Figures.
Everybody's Friends
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Tom H
Michael Bass
Mark Donelson
James Newburg
Chris Fluit
All five of those guys appeared five times in the best friend columns of OCF's chart.
Not so many people's friends
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Karlmagnus (17)
KJOK (9)
DL from MN (7)
Dr. Chaleeko!!! (7)
Patrick W (6)
EricC (6)
Color me impressed. Karl outdoes himself again! ; )
Its multidimensional too. My two best friends (Howie Menckel & Ron Wargo) are on opposite ends of the spectrum when compared to Joe Dimino. Howie is his best friend while Ron has the least agreement with Joe.
Or maybe it's the irritable force and the immovable object?
Or the irritating force and the immovable object?
Better quite while I'm behind....
'F R A G M E N T A T I O N ! ! !'Nobody is safe....
Al Peterson
Jeff M
Jimd
Ken Fischer
Sean Gilman
Or maybe they're just shy?
Tom H
Not so many people's friends
KJOK (9)
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Hmm... I am KJOK's best friend, and I have friends, but KJOK has enemies. I surmise KJOK is the uberME, unadulterated and uninhibited.
Either that or I am my own grandpa.
1. Bill Dahlen
2. Ron Santo
3. Dick Allen
4. Bob Caruthers
5. Larry Doyle
6. Jack Glasscock
7. Sherry Magee
8. Heinie Groh
9. Pete Browning
10. Harry Stovey
11. Joe Gordon
12. Minnie Minoso
13. Gavvy Cravath
14. Bill Freehan
15. Stan Hack
Off Ballot, will move up soon I'm sure ;-)
16. Elston Howard
17. Frank Howard
18. Vern Stephens
19. Wally Berger
20. Tony Mullane
21. George Van Haltren
22. Ken Boyer
23. Mike Tiernan
24. Wes Ferrell
25. Jimmy Ryan
But I'll still be the only Grandma :-D
A fun idea, here's my whack at it.
1. Dick Allen
2. Ron Santo
3. Bill Dahlen
4. Heinie, Groh
5. Joe Torre
6. Stan Hack
7. Ted Simmons
8. Bucky Walters
9. Wes Ferrell
10. Bob Caruthers
11. Tony Mullane
12. Billy Pierce
13. Wilbur Cooper
14. Sherry Magee
15. Bill Freehan
16. Pete Browning
17. Sal Bando
18. Jack Glasscock
19. George Van Haltren
20. Elston Howard
21. Harry Stovey
22. Larry Doyle
23. Jimmy Ryan
24. Ken Boyer
25. Jimmy Wynn
26. Gavy Cravath
BONUS! Managers and schtuff
I actually think that we stand a very good chance of electing 1 or more manager/executives without electing a player. I really, truly hope that the Vets aren't stupid enough to vote for W. Bush out of a misguided sense of patriotism. Or that the White House doesn't apply pressure on them to do so (though I can't see why they would since the mid-term elections will have already passed and Bush is a lame duck---maybe it's his one, great shot?).
1. Whitey Herzog
2. Marvin Miller (especially intriguing with more post-1970 HOFs than last time)
3. Billy Southworth
4. Dick Williams
I might also vote for Lee Weyer, Doug Harvey, or Babe Pinelli if I knew more about whether they were truly outstanding umps or merely well known. After all, since the umps are never wrong, how can one be better than another?
Another I would consider is Harry Dalton. I think he was the brains behind the Orioles and Brewers winners of the 1970s and early 1980s. But I'd need more info first.
That's actually easy enough to do - for each voter, just average the agreement index over all other voters. This is essentially one portion (the linear portion) of consensus scores, so the resulting rankings will resemble consensus score rankings. (There is a nonlinear portion of consensus scores, just to mess things up.)
The grand average over everyone is 33 - which is quite low. This was a backlog-fragmentation year. I would add that the last time I did this, I got several scores in the 80's. Not this time.
Michael Bass 42
Chris Fluit 41
Rob Wood 39
Howie Menckel 39
Ardo 39
TomH 38
andrew siegel 37
...
Sean Gilman 34 (I'm going to list everyone in Dr. Chaleeko's post #127)
Ken Fischer 34
...
Jeff M 33
...
jimd 33
...
Al Peterson 31
...
Dr. Chaleeko 30
Patrick W 29
DL from MN 28
Joe Dimino 28
Jim Sp 26
yest 26
EricC 24
karlmagnus 22
KJOK 22
David Foss called it multidimensional. Correctly identified. Here's the desrciption. Consider every vote to be vector in an N-dimensional Euclidean space, where N is at least as large as the number of candidates receiving votes. The component of this vector in the direction of a particular candidate is the number of points awarded to that candidate. Note that all of these vectors have the same magnitude, making normalization easy. The voter-to-voter aggreement score is the inner product of the vote vectors, suitably normalized. (If I were to but back in the 100's on the main diagonal, I would have a symmetric positive definite 51 by 51 matrix.)
Al Peterson
Jeff M
Jimd
Ken Fischer
Sean Gilman
Or maybe they're just shy?
Well, I'm not shy, at least about posting ;-)
Two of the clusters are sizeable, 11 and 8, and the other ten clusters are of size 2-4.
11
Chris Fluit - Ardo 74, James Newburg 64, Brent 62, Chris Cobb 62, Ken Fischer 50
- James Newburg - Devin McCullen 63, andrew siegel 61
- andrew siegel - Al Peterson 48
Ardo - Chris Fluit 74, OCF 60
- OCF - DL from MN 57
4
Adam Schafer - Daryn 73, yest 68
Daryn - Adam Schafer 73, karlmagnus 55
4
Mark Donelson - Tiboreau 71, jschmeagol 64
Tiboreau - Mark Donelson 71, John Murphy 61
8
TomH - Rob Wood 69, Patrick W 65, jimd 63, KJOK 50
Rob Wood - TomH 69, Howie Menckel 66, Trevor P 61
- Howie Menckel - Joe Dimino 56
3
Michael Bass - Thane of Bagarth 67, AJM 61
Thane of Bagarth - Michael Bass 67
4
Sunnyday2 - favre 66, Andrew M 65, Esteban Rivera 64
favre - Sunnyday2 66
3
DanG - Rusty Priske 66, Mike Webber 61
Rusty Priske - DanG 66
4
Rick A - Max Parkinson 63
Max Parkinson - Rick A 63, Ron Wargo 62
- Ron Wargo - David Foss 58
3
danb - rawagman 62, Jeff M 52
rawagman - danb 62
2
Pedro Feliz N. - SWW 61
SWW - Pedro Feliz N. 61
2
EricC - Jim Sp 60
Jim SP - EricC 60
3
Dr. Chaleeko - Kelly in SD 67
Kelly in SD - Dr. Chaleeko 67, Sean Gilman 57
Lee Weyer and Babe Pinelli are a cut behind, largely because both were known to call a strike zone that was, shall we say, slightly larger than the rulebook requires. Dale Mitchell always felt that the pitch he took to end Larsen's perfect game in the '56 WS was high - and he might have had a case, from what I've seen. Ron Luciano once said, of Weyer, that "he gave the pitcher both dugouts".
-- MWE
We are the HOM's Ishmaelites! The missing 13th tribe.
Al Peterson
Jeff M
Jimd
Ken Fischer
Sean Gilman
Actually, Al Peterson has nothing but enemies.
(The count of most best friends may have missed Newburg in column two.)
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David Foss called it multidimensional. Correctly identified. Here's the desrciption. Consider every vote to be vector in an N-dimensional Euclidean space, where N is at least as large as the number of candidates receiving votes. The component of this vector in the direction of a particular candidate is the number of points awarded to that candidate. Note that all of these vectors have the same magnitude, making normalization easy. The voter-to-voter aggreement score is the inner product of the vote vectors, suitably normalized. (If I were to but back in the 100's on the main diagonal, I would have a symmetric positive definite 51 by 51 matrix.)
It's more challenging to measure the distances between candidates.
{sigh}
I thought Ed Koch said that the missing tribe went to Ireland. At least that's what he always stated at the St. Patrick's Day Parade. ;-)
Wasn't that Pinelli's last game? Must have been in a rush.
John McHale.
Ken Coleman expired in another way.
Many of you wil be interested to read
Doug Pappas, "The 2003 Hall of Fame Veterans Committee Vote" in Outside the Lines 9.1, the SABR Business of Baseball Cmte newsletter for winter 2003 (a perfectly regular quarterly). This is three fine pages devoted to the "composite ballot" for non-players, all three stages. Maybe on the net?
This much I am willing to sketch:
Historical Overview Committee (10, named) prelim nominations (60, named):
"solid" spanning 1880s to 1990s. "The only real clinker is George W. Bush"
BBWAA Screening Committee (two each club) final nominations (15, named):
now who do I remember talkin' about?
no other explanation for all 15 active 1976 or later
Voters (85 eligible, 79 ballots cast) tally (Harvey over 60%, others under 50%):
Doug Harvey
"Anyone who umpired for more than 30 years, earning so much respect that the players nicknamed him 'God' has my vote."
Marvin Miller is the other obviously qualified candidate.
Then O'Malley, Bavasi, or both depending on how you divide the credit for the Dodgers.
The system needs to be overhauled.
As it turns out, the two larger groups (group A and group D) don't hold together very well under this level of scrutiny.
Group A: 43 35
* Chris Cobb-Al Peterson 25
Group B: 58 28
* Adam Schafer-karlmagnus 46
Group C: 55 34
* John Murphy-Mark Donelson 40
Group D: 44 33
* jimd-KJOK 17
Group E: 57 37
* AJM-Thane of Bagarth 43
Group F: 58 36
* Andrew M-Esteban Rivera 43
Group G: 58 34
* Mike Webber-Rusty Priske 46
Group H: 52 32
* David Foss-Rick A 33
Group I: 55 34
* danb-Jeff M 51
Group J: 61 36
* Pedro Feliz Navidad-SWW 61
Group K: 60 25
* Eric C-Jim Sp 60
Group L: 58 32
* Dr. Chaleeko-Sean Gilman 50
* jimd-KJOK 17
IOW, while KJOK and I both look at TomH's ballot and say "His is closer to mine than anybody else is", we do so for almost mutually exclusive reasons.
jimd TomH KJOK1. Sewell Gordon Bresnahan
2. Gordon Sewell McGraw
3. F. Jones Walters Chance
4. Van Haltren Brown Beckley
5. Childs Beckley Trouppe
6. Minoso McGraw Sewell
7. Boyer Boyer Taylor
8. Sisler Van Haltren Johnson
9. Veach Pierce Redding
10. Dunlap Minoso Pierce
11. Moore Chance Elliott
12. Maranville Johnson Bancroft
13. Walters Childs Boyer
14. Howard Kiner C. Jones
15. Redding Redding Mullane
I'll let you analyze that. For my sake, I think I understand the rationale for KJOK's ballots pretty well. We agree that Sewell, Pierce and Elliott belong on the ballot. I understand why he's voting for McGraw, Chance, and Bresnahan - but I have an additional playing time consideration that keeps me from voting for them myself. And yet: all KJOK and I can manage for an agreement score is 37. My agreement with TomH is much higher at 52.
We each share 8 with TomH but only 3 with each other.
Actually, I'm gonna be more scarce than normal between now and after July 4th, merely general busy-ness plus vacation. But looking at the upcoming eligibles, I'm pretty confident this group won't need any bonus insight in finding solid HoM electees bewteen now and Labor Day, actually.
I do expect passionate argument on Mazersoki; luvved by defensive-minded voters and WARP, despised by offense and Win Shares. And then we get Little Louis as an interesting comp one ballot later.
I am convinced Hoyt Wilhelm is underappreciated by the masses, but I'm also convinced this group will uncover and recognize his greatness.
Speaking as apolitically as possible, the President has about the same credentials as a hundred other ML executives. Certainly not a member of the Andrew Freedman destructive group of management-level baseball types, but nothing at all to distinguish himself from the pack. IOW, he has zero chance at being elected to the executive branch of the HOM.
As for Aparicio and Mazeroski, I don't see them appearing on my ballot. Wills might have a chance, though. At the very least, he packed much more quality in his shorter career than the other two (and started his ML career later, to boot). I certainly could not understand Aparicio, but not Wills.
I think Bush was put on the list as a PR stunt. I hope he's never inducted as one as well.
I'm not sure I know what you are getting at. I know his managerial career was very colorful... checking...
Ah... there's probably a biography-book chapter written (or to be written) about that. The Dodgers ended up trading to get him back (and overpaying for him as well) a few years later which explains why the fans had forgiven him.
Wills' career was short because he was a very late bloomer at a position/playing-style that favors youth.
Anyhow, he's not the type of player I vote for, just rationalizing why he's overrated by some.
They probably both saw Bill Dahlen and Heine Groh play.
Frankly, baseball's owners want a commissioner who will deliberate every detail of a decision.
W couldn't be bothered/is incapable of such mental gymnastics; he'd delegate all such decisions or else make none.
(sigh)
why not they already inducted Manley
Doug Harvey was an outstanding umpire, and deserves to be in the HOF. He expected, and commanded, respect without calling attention to himself. He called a strike zone that was as close to the textbook definition as I have ever seen, did it consistently, and did it firmly.
I always thought that all the living players that played under an umpire should vote on them
I have also seen it stated as "El Hombre," Carlos. Is there actually a definitive version?
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