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Monday, June 26, 2006

1979 Results: Say Hey to Willie and Gorgeous George Now That They Are in the Hall of Merit!

In his first year of eligibility, all-time great Willie Mays was inducted into the Hall of Merit unanimously. He is the 11th player so far accorded this honor.

Unlike the “Say Hey Kid,” legendary St. Louis Brown star first baseman George Sisler won election to the HoM in his 44th year on the ballot. Receiving 38% of all possible points, #1 Sisler fan from the electorate yest was seen weeping for joy at the news.

Rounding out the top-ten were: José Méndez , Minnie Minoso , Ralph Kiner, Joe Sewell, Jake BeckleyCannonball Dick Redding, Hugh Duffy, and Nellie Fox (first time in the top-ten!).

RK   LY  Player                   PTS  Bal   1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9 10 11 12 13 14 15
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 1  n/e  Willie Mays             1224   51  51                                          
 2    3  George Sisler            468   34      3  4  2  5  2  2  2  3  3     3  1  1  3
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 3    5  José Méndez              407   26      6  1  6  1     3  2  2  1        2  2   
 4    6  Minnie Minoso            390   33      1  1  3     4  3  1  3  3  3  3  4  1  3
 5    4  Ralph Kiner              331   27         2  2  2  4  3  1  2  1  1  2  3  3  1
 6    7  Joe Sewell               326   26      1  5     1  1  2  4  1     5  1     1  4
 7    8  Jake Beckley             315   21      5  1  3  2     1     1  1  4     1  2   
 8   10  Cannonball Dick Redding  307   20      4  4     4     1  1     3           1  2
 9    9  Hugh Duffy               304   22      2  2  3  1  3  1  2     1  1  4     1  1
10   15  Nellie Fox               284   21      1  1  3  2  4  1  2        2  2  2     1
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
11   12  Ken Boyer                275   22      2  1  2  2  1  1  1  1  2     2  3  3  1
12   16  Dobie Moore              269   21      1  2     3  2  4        3        2  3  1
13   13  Cupid Childs             267   21         3  3  1  1  2     2     3  3  1  2   
14   11  Billy Pierce             262   21      1  2     1  3  1  4  1     1  2  2  2  1
15   14  Rube Waddell             262   20         3  4     2  1     3     2  1  3  1   
16   17  George Van Haltren       260   19      2  1     1  1  3  2  3  3  2     1      
17   18  Charley Jones            237   15      2  3     3  1  1  3  1        1         
18   21  Bucky Walters            203   18      1  1     1     2  1  2  1  1  1  3  3  1
19   20  Edd Roush                203   16      2  1     1  1  1  1  2  2     1  1     3
20   19  Pete Browning            202   14      2  2  2        2     2        3     1   
21   25  Quincy Trouppe           196   16            2  2  3  1        2  1  1  3     1
22   22T Gavy Cravath             193   16         1  1  2  1  1  2  2     2  1        3
23   29  Bob Johnson              188   14      1  2     2  1     1  2  1  2        2   
24   27  Mickey Welch             186   12      3  1  1  1  1     1  1  1     1        1
25   22T Tommy Leach              182   14      1  1  1  3  1           1  2  1     3   
26   24  Roger Bresnahan          181   14      2     1     1  2  1     2     1  3  1   
27   30  Charlie Keller           175   13      3        2  1        1     1  2     1  2
28   26  Bob Elliott              151   13               2  1  4           1  2  1     2
29   31  Larry Doyle              142   10      1  1  1     2  1  1  1        1        1
30   28  Burleigh Grimes          128    9      1  1     2     1     1  1  1     1      
31   34  Alejandro Oms            121    9      1     2        1  1     2        1  1   
32   35T Dizzy Dean                95   10                        3        1  2  1  2  1
33   32  Wally Schang              95    7      1     1     1        1  1  1        1   
34   33  John McGraw               84    6         2     1     1        1           1   
35   35T Tommy Bridges             82    9                     1  1     1  1     2     3
36  n/e  Frank Howard              81    8                  1           2  3     1     1
37   41  Ernie Lombardi            62    5               1        1  1  1  1            
38   38T Ben Taylor                61    6            1           1  1              1  2
39   37  Elston Howard             59    7                              1  1  1  2  1  1
40   43  Jimmy Ryan                56    5            1           1  1              2   
41   42  Pie Traynor               55    4            1     1     1        1            
42   46  Sam Rice                  54    6                        2           1     1  2
43  n/e  Luis Aparicio             53    6                              1  2  1     1  1
44T  50  Carl Mays                 53    5                     1     2        1        1
44T  38T Vic Willis                53    5                  1        1        2  1      
46   49  Vern Stephens             52    5            1           1           1     1  1
47   40  Phil Rizzuto              51    5            1                    2     1     1
48   44  Bill Monroe               47    4         1                    1  1     1      
49   45  Addie Joss                45    4            1              1     1           1
50   48  Ed Williamson             44    4                        1  1  1        1      
51   51T Rabbit Maranville         43    3      1                 1                 1   
52T  57  Lefty Gomez               39    3                  1     1     1               
52T  47  Dutch Leonard             39    3               1           1  1               
54   55  Chuck Klein               29    2                  1  1                        
55   54  Dave Bancroft             28    3                           1           2      
56   62T Tony Mullane              26    3                        1                 1  1
57T  56  Frank Chance              26    2            1                       1         
57T  53  Dizzy Trout               26    2                  1           1               
59   58  Ed Cicotte                23    2                  1                    1      
60   59T Fielder Jones             18    1         1                                    
61   67T Wilbur Cooper             17    2                              1              1
62   59T Luke Easter               17    1            1                                 
63  n/e  Jack Quinn                16    1               1                              
64   61  Herman Long               15    1                  1                           
65   62T Red Schoendienst          14    1                     1                        
66T  65T Artie Wilson              13    1                        1                     
66T  62T Dom DiMaggio              13    1                        1                     
68T  67T Bus Clarkson              12    1                           1                  
68T  51T Gil Hodges                12    1                           1                  
68T  67T Sam Leever                12    1                           1                  
71T n/e  Buzz Arlett               11    1                              1               
71T n/e  Wally Berger              11    1                              1               
71T  73  Fred Dunlap               11    1                              1               
74   70T Bobby Veach               10    1                                 1            
75T  70T Hack Wilson                9    1                                    1         
75T n/e  Sol White                  9    1                                    1         
77T  75  Bobby Estalella            7    1                                          1   
77T  65T Bill Mazeroski             7    1                                          1   
77T  70T Virgil Trucks              7    1                                          1   
80T n/e  Billy Nash                 6    1                                             1
80T n/e  Hilton Smith               6    1                                             1
Dropped Out: Tony Lazzeri(74).
Ballots Cast: 51
John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: June 26, 2006 at 08:19 PM | 30 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: June 27, 2006 at 12:02 AM (#2077023)
Congratulations to Willie and George!

HOF-not-HOM through 1979
 
1. Bancroft
Dave
2. Beckley
Jake
3  Bender
Chief
4  Bottomley
Jim
5  Bresnahan
Roger
6  Chance
Frank
7  Chesbro
Jack
8  Combs
Earle
9  Cuyler
Kiki
10 Dean
Dizzy
11 Duffy
Hugh
12 Evers
Johnny
13 Gomez
Lefty
14 Grimes
Burleigh
15 Hafey
Chick
16 Haines
Jesse
17 Hooper
Harry
18 Hoyt
Waite
19 Johnson
Judy
20 Joss
Addie
21 Kelly
George
22 Kiner
Ralph
23 Lindstrom
Freddie
24 Manush
Heinie
25 Maranville
Rabbit
26 Marquard
Rube
27 McCarthy
Tommy
28 McGraw
John 
29 Pennock
Herb
30 Rice
Sam
31 Roush
Edd
32 Schalk
Ray
33 Sewell
Joe
34 Tinker
Joe
35 Traynor
Pie
36 Waddell
Rube
37 Waner
Lloyd
38 Welch
Mickey
39 Wilson
Hack
40 Youngs
Ross
 
HOM
-not-HOF
 
1  Ashburn
Richie
2  Barnes
Ross
3  Beckwith
John
4  Bennett
Charlie
5  Brown
Ray
6  Brown
Willard
7  Bunning
Jim
8  Caruthers
Bob
9  Dahlen
Bill
10 Davis
George
11 Doby
Larry
12 Doerr
Bobby
13 Drysdale
Don
14 Ferrell
Wes
15 Foster
Rube
16 Foster
Willie 
17 Glasscock
Jack
18 Gordon
Joe
19 Gore
George
20 Grant
Frank
21 Groh
Heinie
22 Hack
Stan
23 Hill
Pete
24 Hines
Paul
25 Jackson
Joe*
26 JohnsonHome Run
27 Magee
Sherry
28 McPhee
Bid
29 McVey
Cal
30 Mize
Johnny
31 Newhouser
Hal
32 Pearce
Dickey
33 Pike
Lip
34 Richardson
Hardy
35 Reese
Pee Wee
36 Rogan
Bullet Joe
37 Santop
Louis
38 Sheckard
Jimmy
39 Slaughter
Enos
40 Snider
Duke
41 Start
Joe
42 Stearnes
Turkey
43 Stovey
Harry
44 Suttles
Mule
45 Sutton
Ezra
46 Torriente
Cristobal
47 Vaughan
Arky
48 Wells
Willie
49 White
Deacon
50 Wilhelm
Hoyt
51 Williams
Smokey Joe
52 Wilson
Jud
 
*  not eligible for the HOF 
   2. Lemon Curry? Posted: June 27, 2006 at 12:12 AM (#2077038)
John: Not that it matters much, but I think you've counted Bernie's ballot twice.
   3. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: June 27, 2006 at 12:24 AM (#2077049)
John: Not that it matters much, but I think you've counted Bernie's ballot twice.

I corrected the results. Thanks!
   4. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: June 27, 2006 at 12:27 AM (#2077052)
test
   5. OCF Posted: June 27, 2006 at 12:36 AM (#2077061)
The consensus scores were calculated using the ballot of B. Williams ... (once!) Despite the presence of one of the most emphatic unanimous #1 votes we've seen in a long time, the consensus score average slipped downward to -7.3.

Chris Fluit: -2
Howie Menckel: -2
favre: -3
Ardo: -3
Esteban Rivera: -3
AJM: -3
Andrew Siegel: -3
...
B. Williams...: -4
...
OCF: -5
...
Al Peterson: -7
James Newburg: -7 (medians)
...
rico vanian: -10
jimd: -10
Vaux: -10
...
John Murphy: -11
Joe Dimino: -13
karlmagnus: -14
EricC: -14
KJOK: -14
Jim Sp: -15
Patrick W: -17
   6. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: June 27, 2006 at 12:37 AM (#2077063)
test
   7. jimd Posted: June 27, 2006 at 12:39 AM (#2077068)
BBWAA Voting for 1979

Name Votes PCT
Willie Mays 409 94.68

Duke Snider 308 71.30
Enos Slaughter 297 68.75
Gil Hodges 242 56.02
Don Drysdale 233 53.94
Nellie Fox 174 40.28
Hoyt Wilhelm 168 38.89
Maury Wills 166 38.43
Red Schoendienst 159 36.81
Jim Bunning 147 34.03
Richie Ashburn 130 30.09
Roger Maris 127 29.40
Luis Aparicio 120 27.78
Mickey Vernon 88 20.37
Alvin Dark 80 18.52
Harvey Kuenn 63 14.58
Ted Kluszewski 58 13.43
Lew Burdette 53 12.27
Don Larsen 53 12.27
Don Newcombe 52 12.04
Bill Mazeroski 36 8.33
Roy Face 35 8.10
Elston Howard 30 6.94
Ken Boyer 20 4.63
Curt Flood 14 3.24
Bobby Thomson 11 2.55
Del Crandall 9 2.08
Vern Law 9 2.08
Harvey Haddix 8 1.85
Frank Howard 6 1.39
Ron Perranoski 6 1.39
Milt Pappas 5 1.16
Clete Boyer 3 0.69
Denny McLain 3 0.69
Jim Maloney 2 0.46
Johnny Callison 1 0.23
Hal Lanier 1 0.23
Chris Short 1 0.23

Slaughter doesn't get much of a last-chance bump.
Reese was no longer eligible.
I'm not sure if Doby's last year of eligibility was 1979 or 1980.
   8. karlmagnus Posted: June 27, 2006 at 12:39 AM (#2077070)
John the results now seem to alternate, with 52 ballots and 53 appearing randomly. In any case, I thought the Commissioner had ruled not to use B.Williams ballot; we may disagree (personally I wholeheartedly agree with the decision, as I think timelining by newbies endangers the validity of this project) but as he ruled, we should follow his ruling.
   9. Chris Fluit Posted: June 27, 2006 at 12:40 AM (#2077071)
I was sure that voting for Aparicio would cost me the highest consensus score. Oh well.
   10. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: June 27, 2006 at 12:41 AM (#2077073)
It's probably going to take a while before the correct results pop up. I show the correct tally on my end behind the scenes, but it's not appearing on the site yet.

John Murphy: -11

Not too far off the median.
   11. Lemon Curry? Posted: June 27, 2006 at 01:25 AM (#2077127)
A different kind of consensus score: HOMers sorted by electorate support (percentage of available points in year of election). As expected, Mays and Sisler are on opposite sides of the scale.

Players in bold were elected in first year of eligibility.

THE INNER CIRCLE

100.0 - Cy Young (1917)
100.0 - Honus Wagner (1923)
100.0 - Walter Johnson (1933)
100.0 - Babe Ruth (1941)
100.0 - Lou Gehrig (1944)
100.0 - Lefty Grove (1947)
100.0 - Joe DiMaggio (1957)
100.0 - Ted Williams (1966)
100.0 - Stan Musial (1969)
100.0 - Mickey Mantle (1974)
100.0 - Willie Mays (1979)

NO-BRAINERS (>95)

99.8 - Sam Crawford (1924)
99.7 - Dan Brouthers (1902)
99.5 - Jimmie Foxx (1951)
99.5 - Warren Spahn (1971)
99.4 - Pete Alexander (1936)
99.4 - Josh Gibson (1952)
99.3 - Ty Cobb (1934)
99.2 - Oscar Charleston (1943)
98.9 - Kid Nichols (1911)
98.8 - Nap Lajoie (1922)
98.4 - Ed Delahanty (1909)
98.4 - Arky Vaughan (1954)
98.3 - Roy Campanella (1963)
97.9 - Charlie Gehringer (1948)
97.9 - Bob Feller (1962)
97.8 - Eddie Collins (1935)
96.9 - Turkey Stearnes (1946)
96.6 - Satchel Paige (1959)
96.5 - Christy Mathewson (1922)
95.8 - Rogers Hornsby (1941)
95.7 - George Davis (1915)
95.7 - Carl Hubbell (1949)
95.4 - Eddie Mathews (1974)
95.3 - Paul Waner (1950)
95.3 - Mel Ott (1952)

EASY CHOICES (>85)

94.9 - Jesse Burkett (1912)
94.8 - Smokey Joe Williams (1936)
94.8 - Johnny Mize (1959)
94.7 - Robin Roberts (1972)
94.7 - Ernie Banks (1977)
94.6 - Duke Snider (1970)
94.5 - Yogi Berra (1969)
94.4 - Deacon White (1898)
94.0 - Paul Hines (1898)
94.0 - Jim O'Rourke (1899)
94.0 - Jackie Robinson (1962)
93.7 - Al Simmons (1946)
93.2 - Roger Connor (1903)
93.1 - Roberto Clemente (1978)
92.1 - Gabby Hartnett (1947)
92.0 - Louis Santop (1932)
91.9 - Pop Lloyd (1935)
91.7 - Luke Appling (1956)
91.5 - Bill Dickey (1953)
90.6 - Harry Heilmann (1937)
90.3 - Buck Leonard (1955)
90.0 - John Clarkson (1900)
89.1 - Billy Hamilton (1907)
89.1 - Hank Greenberg (1953)
88.9 - Bill Dahlen (1915)
88.3 - Mickey Cochrane (1943)
88.2 - Cristobal Torriente (1937)
87.2 - Joe Cronin (1951)
86.7 - Frankie Frisch (1944)
85.2 - Cap Anson* (1903)
85.2 - Fred Clarke (1917)

* Six voters boycotted Anson in 1903. Without the boycott, his score would be ~98.5.

ELECTED BY LARGE MAJORITY (>70)

84.0 - King Kelly (1899)
83.5 - Ray Brown (1955)
82.9 - Martin Dihigo (1950)
82.6 - Frank Baker (1928)
82.4 - Jack Glasscock (1904)
82.2 - Eddie Plank (1924)
82.0 - Tris Speaker (1934)
81.5 - Goose Goslin (1945)
79.9 - Bullet Rogan (1940)
79.5 - George Gore (1898)
79.1 - Whitey Ford (1973)
78.6 - Hal Newhouser (1960)
78.4 - Willie Wells (1954)
78.2 - Tim Keefe (1901)
76.9 - Zack Wheat (1933)
76.6 - Jud Wilson (1948)
76.2 - George Wright (1901)
75.6 - Ezra Sutton (1908)
75.5 - Hoyt Wilhelm (1978)
74.7 - Buck Ewing (1902)
74.5 - Bid McPhee (1913)
74.4 - Ed Walsh (1920)
74.4 - Joe Jackson (1927)
73.9 - Pud Galvin (1910)
73.5 - John Ward (1900)
73.5 - Cal McVey (1914)
73.4 - Al Spalding (1906)
73.3 - Willie Keeler (1919)
72.5 - Joe Start (1912)
71.7 - Charley Radbourn (1905)
71.3 - Pee Wee Reese (1964)
70.7 - Jimmy Collins (1921)

SPLIT DECISIONS (>50)

69.8 - Amos Rusie (1904)
69.2 - Elmer Flick (1918)
68.4 - Ross Barnes (1898)
68.1 - Joe Kelley (1919)
67.3 - Mule Suttles (1956)
67.1 - Hardy Richardson (1905)
67.1 - Grant Johnson (1925)
66.8 - Mordecai Brown (1925)
66.8 - Ted Lyons (1949)
65.0 - Bill Foster (1945)
64.9 - Heinie Groh (1938)
63.2 - Harry Stovey (1916)
62.4 - Stan Coveleski (1938)
62.1 - Larry Doby (1965)
61.6 - Jimmy Sheckard (1930)
61.3 - Frank Grant (1926)
61.3 - Monte Irvin (1963)
61.0 - Bobby Wallace (1929)
60.9 - Charlie Bennett (1921)
60.9 - Enos Slaughter (1965)
60.7 - Joe McGinnity (1928)
60.2 - Sherry Magee (1926)
60.0 - Pete Hill (1927)
59.9 - Billy Herman (1958)
58.0 - John Beckwith (1957)
56.6 - Bob Caruthers (1930)
56.5 - Dazzy Vance (1942)
54.9 - Don Drysdale (1975)
54.6 - Sam Thompson (1929)
54.3 - Sandy Koufax (1972)
53.0 - Dickey Pearce (1931)

VERY SPLIT DECISIONS (<50)

49.1 - Early Wynn (1970)
48.6 - Rube Foster (1932)
48.6 - Stan Hack (1958)
48.5 - Lou Boudreau (1958)
46.3 - Red Faber (1939)
45.6 - Max Carey (1939)
44.9 - Bill Terry (1942)
44.7 - Joe Medwick (1967)
41.8 - Joe Gordon (1976)
41.5 - Bob Lemon (1967)
41.3 - Wes Ferrell (1964)
40.5 - Lip Pike (1940)
40.4 - Earl Averill (1961)
38.8 - Red Ruffing (1966)
38.7 - Eppa Rixey (1968)
38.2 - George Sisler (1979)
38.1 - Richie Ashburn (1968)
37.9 - Willard Brown (1976)
37.7 - Hughie Jennings (1960)
37.7 - Jim Bunning (1977)
36.8 - Cool Papa Bell (1973)
35.4 - Biz Mackey (1975)
32.8 - Clark Griffith (1971)
32.8 - Bobby Doerr (1972)
   12. thok Posted: June 27, 2006 at 02:30 AM (#2077271)
Way back when, around post 301 of the New Eligibles by year thread, I had this post.

thok Posted: May 30, 2004 at 06:16 PM (#652046)
There's not going to be a lack of candidates though, since 1934 has a lot of good candidates, and there are probably more Negro Leaguers to fill in the gaps.

For example, George Sisler probably will still be on the ballot in 1940 and possibly in 1942.


I only slightly understated his stay on the ballot.
   13. Chris Cobb Posted: June 27, 2006 at 02:57 AM (#2077289)
With Willie Mays elected by acclamation, we have now elected, by my count, 20 centerfielders, more players than at any other non-pitcher position.

(in order of election: Hines, Gore, Hamilton, Hill, Cobb, Speaker, Torriente, Carey, Pike, Charleston, Stearnes, Dimaggio, Averill, Doby, Ashburn, Snider, Bell, Mantle, Brown, Mays)

The question: will we elect any more before we reach the present?
   14. Rick A. Posted: June 27, 2006 at 02:59 AM (#2077291)
Congrats to George Sisler.

John, Ken Boyer is mentioned in the intro as being in the top ten, but the ballot shows Nellie Fox rather than Boyer in the top ten. I suppose this is due to not counting Bernie's ballot.
   15. DavidFoss Posted: June 27, 2006 at 03:13 AM (#2077298)
The question: will we elect any more before we reach the present?

Quirk of history or spectrum shift? Makes the induction of Puckett look perhaps more reasonable (Possible bias alert -- I'm a Twins fan! :-)). A guy like Puckett doesn't look that much better than guys like Rice or Mattingly on bat alone, but if you consider the CF shortage between Mays & Griffey...

We have a while to think about that, of course. Some other current CF's have decent careers have well (BeWilliams, Edmonds, AJones).
   16. Mark Shirk (jsch) Posted: June 27, 2006 at 04:14 AM (#2077331)
Of the guys listed above I have Pike, Torriente, and Brown listed as corner guys (I don't distiniguish betwwen LF and RF because they are so similar. Yes there are differences, but they are the two positions in which players rotate between the most and their skill sets are so similar). There may be more CFers because a) many great OFers start their careers in CF before moving on, and b) there may be soem counting quirks like if a player played 34% of his time in the outfield in CF and 33 in each of RF and LF, he may be counted as a CFer by some. I would count him as a corner guy myself. I know that is extreme but you get the idea, and c) CFers tend to have the athleticism and all around skill sets to have longer careers.

Also, why aren't we counting Bernie's ballot? Wasn't there someone on the discussion thread that okay'd it? I dont' think there is any real evidence of timelining. However, I would urge him to study up on 19th century players for his next ballot submission, however. I too, am a peak voter and I am a big fan of both Duffy and Browning. Not so much Charley Jones, however.
   17. Mark Shirk (jsch) Posted: June 27, 2006 at 08:23 AM (#2077408)
A few more things...

1. being in Hong Kong (12 hour time difference) really makes discussion on this board hard.

2. Could I see my consensus score? I haven't seen it in a while, pretty much since I stopped having every top 10 guy outside of Beckley on my ballot.
   18. Howie Menckel Posted: June 27, 2006 at 12:29 PM (#2077436)
all-time votes pts thru 1979

Beckley clears the 20,000-pt mark; Duffy gets there next year... Sisler runs out of time, settles for 10th, where he'll sit for at least a decade... The Leach/Bresnahan twins become the 18th/19th players to reach 10,000 - and here come Redding/CJones/Mendez right behind them next year.

TOP 25, ALL-TIME
VAN HALTREN 21356.5
BECKLEY 20313
DUFFY 19940.5
Griffith 17924
BROWNING 17440.5
Jennings 16976
CHILDS 15481
WADDELL 15137
WELCH 14405
Sisler 13875

Pike 13399
Thompson 12349
Bennett 11503
RYAN 11467.5
Rixey 10789
Caruthers 10704
SEWELL 10389
TLEACH 10158
BRESNAHAN 10090
Beckwith 9896

REDDING 9807
CJONES 9750
MENDEZ 9722
H Stovey 9576
Mackey 8930

OTHERS IN THE TOP 25 ACTIVE
(Moore 7328, Roush 7176, Doyle 6605, Monroe 6098, Cravath 5547, Grimes 5218, Williamson 5048, Schang 4700, Kiner 4688, McGraw 4460, Walters 4339)

almost
(Oms 3536, Minoso 3241; McCormick 3148X, Joss 3125, Willis 2989; need to check on Pierce)
   19. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: June 27, 2006 at 12:37 PM (#2077440)
John, Ken Boyer is mentioned in the intro as being in the top ten, but the ballot shows Nellie Fox rather than Boyer in the top ten. I suppose this is due to not counting Bernie's ballot.

Correct, Ron. Thanks for picking that up. I have also corrected Sisler's percentage of the votes above.

BTW, I figured out why the thread was freaking out yesterday. A duplicate with the earlier results was somehow created by the ExpressionEngine program, so when karlmagnus pointed out that the results kept alternating, he was right.
   20. DanG Posted: June 27, 2006 at 04:43 PM (#2077659)
George Sisler won election to the HoM in his 45th year on the ballot. Receiving 39%

John, this should say 44th year on the ballot. Receiving 38%
   21. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: June 27, 2006 at 05:06 PM (#2077679)
John, this should say 44th year on the ballot. Receiving 38%

Thanks, Dan. I must have been thinking 1980 in regard to Sisler's years on the ballot. As for the 39%, I must typed it in that renegade thread. That thread is now terminated.
   22. OCF Posted: June 27, 2006 at 05:46 PM (#2077738)
jscchmeagol: you were at -7 this year, just a tiny fraction below the median and a tiny fraction above the mean. You have been more than 2 points away from the mean score of the electorate only once in the last 12 years.
   23. OCF Posted: June 27, 2006 at 09:10 PM (#2077938)
John, Ken Boyer is mentioned in the intro as being in the top ten, but the ballot shows Nellie Fox rather than Boyer in the top ten.

With 55 points separating 7th from 16th, "top ten" is an awfully arbitrary distinction. I count ballots, and late on Monday, every singe ballot caused the order to change in this range.
   24. Rick A. Posted: June 28, 2006 at 12:49 AM (#2078415)
Correct, Ron. Thanks for picking that up.

No problem, Joe. ;)
   25. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: June 28, 2006 at 01:04 AM (#2078497)
No problem, Joe. ;)

Gawd! :-)
   26. yest Posted: June 30, 2006 at 04:02 AM (#2082061)
OCF where was I

A list of eligible HoFers
HoMers in bold
all HoFers with significant playing careers are included
1936
Ty Cobb, Babe Ruth, Honus Wagner, Christy Mathewson, Walter Johnson
1937
Nap Lajoie, Tris Speaker, Cy Young , Connie Mack, John McGraw, George Wright
1938
Pete Alexander
1939
George Sisler <u>abought time</u> , Eddie Collins , Willie Keeler , Lou Gehrig, Cap Anson , Charlie Comiskey , Candy Cummings , Buck Ewing , Charles Radbourn , Al Spalding
1942
Rogers Hornsby
1945
Roger Bresnahan , Dan Brouthers , Fred Clarke , Jimmy Collins , Ed Delahanty , Hugh Duffy , Hughie Jennings , King Kelly , Jim O’Rourke , Wilbert Robinson
1946
Jesse Burkett , Frank Chance , Jack Chesbro , Johnny Evers , , Clark Griffith, , Tommy McCarthy , Joe McGinnity , Eddie Plank , Joe Tinker , Rube Waddell , Ed Walsh
1947
Carl Hubbell , Frankie Frisch , Mickey Cochrane , Lefty Grove
1948
Herb Pennock , Pie Traynor
1949
Charlie Gehringer , Mordecai Brown , Kid Nichols
1951
Mel Ott , Jimmie Foxx
1952
Harry Heilmann , Paul Waner
1953
Al Simmons , Dizzy Dean , Chief Bender , Bobby Wallace , Harry Wright
1954
Rabbit Maranville , Bill Dickey , Bill Terry
1955
Joe DiMaggio , Ted Lyons , Dazzy Vance , Gabby Hartnett , Frank Baker , Ray Schalk
1956
Hank Greenberg , Joe Cronin
1957
Sam Crawford
1959
Zack Wheat
1961
Max Carey , Billy Hamilton
1962
Bob Feller , Jackie Robinson , Bill McKechnie , Edd Roush
1963
John Clarkson , Elmer Flick , Sam Rice , Eppa Rixey
1964
Luke Appling , Red Faber , Burleigh Grimes , Miller Huggins , Tim Keefe , Heinie Manush , Monte Ward
1965
Pud Galvin
1966
Ted Williams , Casey Stengel
1967
Red Ruffing , Lloyd Waner
1968
Joe Medwick , Kiki Cuyler , Goose Goslin
1969
Stan Musial, Roy Campanella , Stan Coveleski , , Waite Hoyt,
1970
Lou Boudreau , Earle Combs , Jesse Haines,
1971
Dave Bancroft , Jake Beckley , Chick Hafey , Harry Hooper , Joe Kelley , Rube Marquard , Satchel Paige
1972
Sandy Koufax , Yogi Berra ,Early Wynn, Lefty Gomez , Ross Youngs , Josh Gibson , Buck Leonard
1973
Warren Spahn , George Kelly , Mickey Welch , Monte Irvin , Roberto Clemente
1974
Mickey Mantle , Whitey Ford , Jim Bottomley , Sam Thompson , Cool Papa Bell
1975
Ralph Kiner , Earl Averill , Bucky Harris , Billy Herman , Judy Johnson
1976
Robin Roberts, Bob Lemon , Roger Connor , Freddy Lindstrom , Oscar Charleston
1977
Ernie Banks ,Amos Rusie , Joe Sewell , Al Lopez , Martin Dihigo , Pop Lloyd
1978
Eddie Mathews, Addie Joss
1979
Willie Mays , Hack Wilson
1980
Duke Snider, Chuck Klein
1981
Johnny Mize , Rube Foster
1982
Travis Jackson
1983
George Kell
1984
Luis Aparicio, Don Drysdale, Rick Ferrell , Pee Wee Reese
1985
Hoyt Wilhelm, Enos Slaughter , Arky Vaughan
1986
Bobby Doerr, Ernie Lombardi
1987
Ray Dandridge
1989
Red Schoendienst
1991
Tony Lazzeri
1992
Hal Newhouser
1994
Leo Durocher , Phil Rizzuto
1995
Leon Day , Vic Willis , Richie Ashburn
1996
Jim Bunning, Bill Foster , Ned Hanlon
1997
Nellie Fox, Willie Wells
1998
George Davis , Larry Doby , Joe Rogan
1999
Joe Williams
2000
Bid McPhee , Turkey Stearnes
2001
Bill Mazeroski , Hilton Smith
2006
Ray Brown, Willard Brown, Andy Cooper, Biz Mackey, Mule Suttles, Cristobal Torriente, Jud Wilson, Frank Grant, Pete Hill, Jose Mendez Louis Santop, Ben Taylor, Sol White
   27. OCF Posted: June 30, 2006 at 04:28 AM (#2082073)
yest was at -9, which was 15th from the bottom. I suppose it figures that a year in which we elect Sisler would bring him closer to the middle.
   28. Chris Fluit Posted: June 30, 2006 at 06:29 AM (#2082122)
And with that, we approve the work of the Hall of Fame until 1945. The inductees on which we differ before that date were all inducted at least in part because of contributions as managers, owners and inventors-- criteria which we leave out of our consideration. I don't think we'll ever approve of 1945 on, though. We may yet induct Hugh Duffy, but Bresnahan and Robinson are nowhere close to induction into our Hall, and the Cooperstown class of 1946 is right out.
   29. Jim Sp Posted: June 30, 2006 at 05:42 PM (#2082431)
We should probably cut B. Williams some slack--he was closer to the consensus than most of us.
   30. Mark Donelson Posted: June 30, 2006 at 06:34 PM (#2082489)
the Cooperstown class of 1946 is right out

Beats the hell out of the class of 1971 (even if you are a Beckley fan, which I'm not)!

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