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Monday, November 13, 2006

1989 Results: Bench, Yaz, and Perry Sail into the Hall of Merit!

In his first year of eligibility, legendary Cincinnati backstop Johnny Bench easily won induction with 98% of all possible points.

Boston Red Sox star Carl Yastrzemski also was inducted without any difficulties with an outstanding 95% of all possible points.

One other new candidate, pitching ace Gaylord Perry, also scored impressively with 86% of all possible points, despite two voters refusing to vote for him as they utilized the first-year protest rule.

Standout hurler Fergie Jenkins placed fourth and appears an excellent bet to be elected in 1990.

Rounding out the top-ten were: Ken Boyer, Jimmy Wynn, Nellie Fox, Dobie Moore, Ed Roush, and Pete Browning.

RK   LY  Player                   PTS  Bal   1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9 10 11 12 13 14 15
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 1  n/e  Johnny Bench            1298   55  44  7  3        1                           
 2  n/e  Carl Yastrzemski        1255   55  10 40  2  3                                 
 3  n/e  Gaylord Perry           1138   52   1  6 43     1     1                        
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 4  n/e  Fergie Jenkins           881   54      1  2 32 11  1  3     1     1     1  1   
 5    3  Ken Boyer                324   31            1  1  1  5  1  3  1  2  5  5  5  1
 6    4  Jimmy Wynn               293   27         1     1  1  3  3  1  3  4  2  2  4  2
 7    5  Nellie Fox               290   25            2  1  2  4  2     4  3  1  3  3   
 8    6  Dobie Moore              271   21         1  1  4  3  2  1     3  2  1     2  1
 9    8T Edd Roush                268   23               1  5  1  5  3  1     2  1  1  3
10   10  Pete Browning            258   22            1  1  5  3  1  1  1     4  2  2  1
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11    7  Charley Jones            250   18         1  3     5  2  1  1  1  3     1      
12    8T Jake Beckley             248   20      1        4  1  2  2  1  2  1  2  3     1
13   13  Cannonball Dick Redding  242   20               4  1  1  4  4  1     1  2  1  1
14   12  Quincy Trouppe           237   21            1  1  4     1  1  3  5  1  1  1  2
15   14  Charlie Keller           234   17         1  2  3  2  1  2     3  1  1  1      
16   15  Bucky Walters            205   17               4  1  1  1  2  2  2  2  1  1   
17   11  Hugh Duffy               199   18            1  1  2  1        5  3     2  3   
18   16  Gavvy Cravath            176   17            1  1  1  3           2  2  2  2  3
19   17  Bob Johnson              162   15               2     3  1  1  1  2     1     4
20   22  Alejandro Oms            149   14               1  2        5        2     1  3
21   18  George Van Haltren       149   13               1  2        5     2  1  1     1
22   19  Orlando Cepeda           132   12                  1  3  3        1        2  2
23   20  Tommy Leach              131   12                     4  1     2  1  2        2
24   21  Roger Bresnahan          127   11            1  1  1        2  2  1     2  1   
25   24  Burleigh Grimes          122   10            1  2     1     2  1     2        1
26   23  Norm Cash                116   11                  1  2  1  1  1  1        3  1
27   25  Mickey Welch             110    9            1  1     2  2        1        1  1
28   30  Dizzy Dean                98    8            1  1  1  1  1           1  1     1
29   28  Lou Brock                 95   10            1  1        1        1     1  1  4
30   27  Luis Tiant                93   10               1  1                 1  4  3   
31   31  Larry Doyle               90    7               2     1  1  2              1   
32   26  Bobby Bonds               89    8                     1  1  3  1     1        1
33   29  Tommy Bridges             82    8                           2     4  2         
34   43  Carl Mays                 71    7                        3  1           1     2
35   37  Wally Schang              66    6            1     1           1     1  1     1
36   38  Vic Willis                62    6                        2     2           2   
37   35  Ben Taylor                61    6                  2                 1  1  2   
38T  34  Thurman Munson            58    6                           1  2     1  1  1   
38T  33  Reggie Smith              58    6                           2     1  1  1  1   
40   36  Elston Howard             55    6                           1     1  3        1
41   40  Phil Rizzuto              55    5               1        1        2           1
42T  41  John McGraw               55    4                  2  1        1               
42T  44  Pie Traynor               55    4         1              1     1     1         
44   42  Chuck Klein               51    5               1  1                    1     2
45T  47  Addie Joss                45    4            1              1     1           1
45T  52  Al Rosen                  45    4                     1  1           2         
47T  32  Bob Elliott               42    5                              1  1     1  1  1
47T  50T Vern Stephens             42    5                           1           3     1
49   58T Tony Oliva                40    3                  2              1            
50   48  Sal Bando                 39    5                                 1  1     2  1
51T  45  Dave Bancroft             39    4                        1  1           1     1
51T  49  Bill Monroe               39    4                     1              2     1   
53   54  Jimmy Ryan                38    4                        1     1        1     1
54   55  Ed Williamson             32    3                           1  1     1         
55   39  Frank Howard              29    4                                       2  1  1
56   53  Sam Rice                  29    3                           1  1              1
57  n/e  Gene Tenace               27    3                        1              1     1
58T  58T Ed Cicotte                27    2                     1  1                     
58T n/e  Jim Kaat                  27    2                  1        1                  
60   46  Ernie Lombardi            26    2               1                 1            
61   50T Dizzy Trout               24    2                        1     1               
62T  56  Luis Aparicio             21    2                           1        1         
62T  62T Frank Chance              21    2                              1  1            
62T  61  Lefty Gomez               21    2                        1              1      
65   57  Bobby Veach               20    3                                          2  1
66   66  Don Newcombe              19    2                                 1  1         
67   60  Rabbit Maranville         15    2                                       1  1   
68   64  Jack Quinn                15    1                  1                           
69   65  George J. Burns           14    2                                          2   
70T  68T Wilbur Cooper             13    1                        1                     
70T  70T Fielder Jones             13    1                        1                     
70T  68T Sparky Lyle               13    1                        1                     
70T  80T Bill Mazeroski            13    1                        1                     
70T  70T Urban Shocker             13    1                        1                     
75T  62T Dutch Leonard             12    1                           1                  
75T  75T Cecil Travis              12    1                           1                  
77T  72  Artie Wilson              11    1                              1               
77T  75T Sam Leever                11    1                              1               
77T  67  Tony Mullane              11    1                              1               
77T  75T Mickey Vernon             11    1                              1               
81   78T Fred Dunlap               10    1                                 1            
82T  78T Hack Wilson                9    1                                    1         
82T  80T Tony Lazzeri               9    1                                    1         
82T  84T Virgil Trucks              9    1                                    1         
85   82T Kiki Cuyler                8    1                                       1      
86T  86T Herman Long                6    1                                             1
86T  82T Sol White                  6    1                                             1
Dropped Out: Dick Bartell(93), Wally Berger(91T), Bus Clarkson(73T), 
Dom DiMaggio(86T), Jim Fregosi(73T), Hilton Smith(86T), George Kell(84T), 
Harvey Kuenn(86T), Heinie Manush(91T), Vada Pinson(86T).
Ballots Cast: 55
John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: November 13, 2006 at 10:23 PM | 36 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: November 14, 2006 at 02:15 AM (#2237060)
Congrats to Johnny, Carl, and Gaylord!

BTW, it's nice having all of the inductees still alive and kickin'. :-)

HOF-not-HOM through 1989
 
1  Aparicio
Luis
2. Bancroft
Dave
3. Beckley
Jake
4  Bender
Chief
5  Bottomley
Jim
6  Bresnahan
Roger
7  Brock
Lou
8  Chance
Frank
9  Chesbro
Jack
10 Combs
Earle
11 Cuyler
Kiki
12 Dandridge
Ray
13 Dean
Dizzy
14 Duffy
Hugh
15 Evers
Johnny
16 Ferrell
Rick
17 Gomez
Lefty
18 Grimes
Burleigh
19 Hafey
Chick
20 Haines
Jesse
21 Hooper
Harry
22 Hoyt
Waite
23 Hunter
Catfish
24 Jackson
Travis
25 Johnson
Judy
26 Joss
Addie
27 Kell
George
28 Kelly
George
29 Klein
Chuck
30 Lindstrom
Freddie
31 Lombardi
Ernie
32 Manush
Heinie
33 Maranville
Rabbit
34 Marquard
Rube
35 McCarthy
Tommy
36 McGraw
John 
37 Pennock
Herb
38 Rice
Sam
39 Roush
Edd
40 Schalk
Ray
41 Schoendienst
Red
42 Tinker
Joe
43 Traynor
Pie
44 Waner
Lloyd
45 Welch
Mickey
46 Wilson
Hack
47 Youngs
Ross
 
HOM
-not-HOF
 
1  Allen
Dick 
2  Ashburn
Richie
3  Barnes
Ross
4  Beckwith
John
5  Bennett
Charlie
6  Brown
Ray
7  Brown
Willard
8  Bunning
Jim
9  Caruthers
Bob
10 Childs
Cupid
11 Dahlen
Bill
12 Davis
George
13 Doby
Larry
14 Ferrell
Wes
15 Foster
Willie 
16 Freehan
Bill
17 Glasscock
Jack
18 Gordon
Joe
19 Gore
George
20 Grant
Frank
21 Groh
Heinie
22 Hack
Stan
23 Hill
Pete
24 Hines
Paul
25 Jackson
Joe*
26 JohnsonHome Run
27 Mackey
Biz
28 Magee
Sherry
29 McPhee
Bid
30 McVey
Cal
31 Méndez
José
32 Minoso
Minnie
33 Newhouser
Hal
34 Pearce
Dickey
35 Perry
Gaylord
36 Pierce
Billy
37 Pike
Lip
38 Richardson
Hardy
39 Rogan
Bullet Joe
40 Santo
Ron
41 Santop
Louis
42 Sheckard
Jimmy
43 Start
Joe
44 Stearnes
Turkey
45 Stovey
Harry
46 Suttles
Mule
47 Sutton
Ezra
48 Torre
Joe
49 Torriente
Cristobal
50 Wells
Willie
51 White
Deacon
52 Williams
Smokey Joe
53 Wilson
Jud
 
*  not eligible for the HOF 
   2. OCF Posted: November 14, 2006 at 02:20 AM (#2237066)
Average consensus score +10.4, which is the highest since 1952. Best possible +21. This time, there was a consensus to agree or disagree with. The lowest scores are people who downrated one or more of the top 4.

You have to admit that an absolute majority of 4th place votes is pretty cool - we don't get that with most elections.

Mark S: +16 (formerly jschmeagol)
Estaban Rivera: +15
Devin McCullen: +15
Jim Sp: +15
Ardo: +15
Sean Gilman: +15
...
jhwinfrey: +14 (returning from a long absence)
...
Juan V: +12 (median)
...
OCF: +11
...
John Murphy: +11
...
jimd: +7
KJOK: +6
Adam Schafer: +3
karlmagnus: +2
yest: -1
Robby Cano: -2
Rico Vanian: -4
fra paolo: -9
   3. Juan V Posted: November 14, 2006 at 02:22 AM (#2237070)
The suspense was killing me.. :)
   4. 'zop sympathizes with the wrong ####### people Posted: November 14, 2006 at 02:38 AM (#2237084)
Average consensus score +10.4, which is the highest since 1952. Best possible +21. This time, there was a consensus to agree or disagree with. The lowest scores are people who downrated one or more of the top 4.

Man, because of my boycott I'm 3rd from the bottom. I feel like such a...a maverick, even!
   5. Dr. Chaleeko Posted: November 14, 2006 at 03:23 AM (#2237117)
Wow! My first positive consensus score since...uh...the Mesozoic Era?
   6. Howie Menckel Posted: November 14, 2006 at 03:27 AM (#2237125)
(can anyone post the update on variances from these tallies? I pop 'em in manually, eventually I have some errors, usually minor)

all-time 'votes points' thru 1989 - those still eligible in 1990 election are in CAPS. electees not in caps.

Pending a check of the official tallies, looks like Beckley would come VERY close to taking over the No. 1 all-time slot after all these years.... Redding passes Mendez for 13th, and all-time Negro League pitching pts lead... Leach cuts Bresnahan's lead from 10 pts to 4, both pass Bennett for spots 18-19... Moore the 23rd player with 10,000 pts, we won't add too many more.. Roush hits the top 25 next year...

TOP 25, ALL-TIME
VAN HALTREN 23334.5
BECKLEY 23239
DUFFY 22611.5
BROWNING 19712.5
Childs 18484
Griffith 17924
Waddell 17596
Jennings 16976
WELCH 15917
Sisler 13892

Pike 13399
Sewell 12769
REDDING 12599
Mendez 12555
Thompson 12349
CJONES 12275
RYAN 11969.5
BRESNAHAN 11597
TLEACH 11591
Bennett 11503

Rixey 10789
Caruthers 10704
MOORE 10203
Beckwith 9896
H Stovey 9576

OTHERS IN THE TOP 25 ACTIVE
(Roush 9413, Doyle 7555, Cravath 7343, Grimes 6634, Monroe 6521, Walters 6378, Schang 5524, Williamson 5442, Trouppe 5436, McGraw 5162, Oms 4874, Fox 4843, BJohnson 4419, Boyer 4372)

not quite
(Keller 4054)
   7. sunnyday2 Posted: November 14, 2006 at 04:18 AM (#2237169)
Who saw that one coming?

Can we just skip to '91?
   8. Chris Fluit Posted: November 14, 2006 at 04:51 AM (#2237200)
John Murphy, I've noticed a few errors concerning last year's rankings:

Moore was 6th and Jones 7th- they're reversed on this list
Beckley and Roush were tied for 8th- Roush is correct but Beckley is listed as 11th
Duffy was 11th not 12th
Trouppe was 12th not 9th
Keller was 14th and Walters 15th-they're reversed on this list
Cepeda had been 19th not 20th
Leach had been 20th not 22nd
Oms had been 22nd not 19th
   9. fra paolo Posted: November 14, 2006 at 10:07 AM (#2237336)
I've noticed that when there is a strong consensus on the ballot leaders, I get a negative consensus score, but that when votes are widely scattered, I get a positive one.
   10. Sean Gilman Posted: November 14, 2006 at 11:07 AM (#2237351)
I can't remember the last time I was that high on the consensus scores list. Must have something to do with Pete Browning managing to stick in the top 10 this year.
   11. Howie Menckel Posted: November 14, 2006 at 02:16 PM (#2237385)
Maybe you took my place, Sean....
   12. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: November 14, 2006 at 06:23 PM (#2237578)
John Murphy, I've noticed a few errors concerning last year's rankings.

I don't know what the problem is, Chris, since I don't manually create those rankings. I fixed them, though. Thanks!
   13. The Piehole of David Wells Posted: November 14, 2006 at 07:18 PM (#2237641)
am i reading that list wrong, or is richie ashburn listed as NOT being in the HOF?

HOM-not-HOF

1 Allen, Dick
2 Ashburn, Richie

looks like he was inducted in 1995: http://www.baseball-reference.com/a/ashburi01.shtml
   14. The Piehole of David Wells Posted: November 14, 2006 at 07:21 PM (#2237647)
oh, i figured it out. he wasn't elected until 1995. that list is through 1989.
   15. Lemon Curry? Posted: November 15, 2006 at 11:27 PM (#2238971)
HOMers sorted by the percentage of available points in the year of election. Players in bold were elected in their first year of eligibility.

I was half-expecting Johnny Bench to enter the inner circle, but he fell short by a couple of percentage points. Nonetheless, a clear no-brainer if there ever was one. Yaz also managed to squeeze himself into the no-brain category, while Perry has to settle for a place among the easy choices. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Two voters boycotted Perry's candidacy, and assuming those voters would have otherwise slotted him third, he would have received 89.5 percent of the available points.


INNER CIRCLE, BABY!

100.0 - Cy Young (1917)
100.0 - Honus Wagner (1923)
100.0 - Walter Johnson (1933)
100.0 - Babe Ruth (1941)
100.0 - Lou Gehrig (1944)
100.0 - Lefty Grove (1947)
100.0 - Joe DiMaggio (1957)
100.0 - Ted Williams (1966)
100.0 - Stan Musial (1969)
100.0 - Mickey Mantle (1974)
100.0 - Willie Mays (1979)
100.0 - Hank Aaron (1982)

NO-BRAINERS (>95)

99.8 - Sam Crawford (1924)
99.7 - Dan Brouthers (1902)
99.5 - Jimmie Foxx (1951)
99.5 - Warren Spahn (1971)
99.4 - Pete Alexander (1936)
99.4 - Josh Gibson (1952)
99.3 - Ty Cobb (1934)
99.2 - Oscar Charleston (1943)
98.9 - Kid Nichols (1911)
98.8 - Nap Lajoie (1922)
98.7 - Bob Gibson (1981)
98.4 - Ed Delahanty (1909)
98.4 - Arky Vaughan (1954)
98.3 - Roy Campanella (1963)
98.3 - Johnny Bench (1988)
97.9 - Charlie Gehringer (1948)
97.9 - Bob Feller (1962)
97.8 - Eddie Collins (1935)
96.9 - Turkey Stearnes (1946)
96.6 - Satchel Paige (1959)
96.5 - Christy Mathewson (1922)
96.3 - Willie McCovey (1986)
95.8 - Rogers Hornsby (1941)
95.8 - Frank Robinson (1982)
95.7 - George Davis (1915)
95.7 - Carl Hubbell (1949)
95.4 - Eddie Mathews (1974)
95.3 - Paul Waner (1950)
95.3 - Mel Ott (1952)
95.1 - Carl Yastrzemski (1988)

EASY CHOICES (>85)

94.9 - Jesse Burkett (1912)
94.8 - Smokey Joe Williams (1936)
94.8 - Johnny Mize (1959)
94.7 - Robin Roberts (1972)
94.7 - Ernie Banks (1977)
94.6 - Duke Snider (1970)
94.5 - Yogi Berra (1969)
94.4 - Deacon White (1898)
94.0 - Paul Hines (1898)
94.0 - Jim O'Rourke (1899)
94.0 - Jackie Robinson (1962)
93.7 - Al Simmons (1946)
93.2 - Roger Connor (1903)
93.1 - Roberto Clemente (1978)
92.1 - Gabby Hartnett (1947)
92.0 - Louis Santop (1932)
91.9 - Pop Lloyd (1935)
91.9 - Al Kaline (1980)
91.7 - Luke Appling (1956)
91.5 - Bill Dickey (1953)
90.6 - Harry Heilmann (1937)
90.3 - Buck Leonard (1955)
90.0 - John Clarkson (1900)
89.1 - Billy Hamilton (1907)
89.1 - Hank Greenberg (1953)
88.9 - Bill Dahlen (1915)
88.3 - Mickey Cochrane (1943)
88.2 - Cristobal Torriente (1937)
87.7 - Ron Santo (1980)
87.7 - Harmon Killebrew (1981)
87.2 - Joe Cronin (1951)
86.7 - Frankie Frisch (1944)
86.2 - Gaylord Perry* (1988)
85.2 - Cap Anson* (1903)
85.2 - Fred Clarke (1917)

* Six voters boycotted Anson; two voters boycotted Perry.

SOLID HoMERS (>70)

84.3 - Willie Stargell (1988)
84.0 - King Kelly (1899)
83.5 - Ray Brown (1955)
82.9 - Martin Dihigo (1950)
82.6 - Frank Baker (1928)
82.4 - Jack Glasscock (1904)
82.2 - Eddie Plank (1924)
82.0 - Tris Speaker (1934)
81.5 - Goose Goslin (1945)
79.9 - Bullet Rogan (1940)
79.5 - George Gore (1898)
79.1 - Whitey Ford (1973)
78.6 - Hal Newhouser (1960)
78.4 - Willie Wells (1954)
78.2 - Tim Keefe (1901)
76.9 - Zack Wheat (1933)
76.6 - Jud Wilson (1948)
76.2 - George Wright (1901)
75.6 - Ezra Sutton (1908)
75.5 - Hoyt Wilhelm (1978)
74.7 - Buck Ewing (1902)
74.5 - Bid McPhee (1913)
74.4 - Ed Walsh (1920)
74.4 - Joe Jackson (1927)
73.9 - Pud Galvin (1910)
73.5 - John Ward (1900)
73.5 - Cal McVey (1914)
73.4 - Al Spalding (1906)
73.3 - Willie Keeler (1919)
72.5 - Joe Start (1912)
71.7 - Charley Radbourn (1905)
71.3 - Pee Wee Reese (1964)
70.7 - Jimmy Collins (1921)

SPLIT DECISIONS (>50)

69.8 - Amos Rusie (1904)
69.2 - Elmer Flick (1918)
68.9 - Dick Allen (1983)
68.4 - Ross Barnes (1898)
68.3 - Juan Marichal (1980)
68.1 - Joe Kelley (1919)
68.0 - Brooks Robinson (1984)
67.3 - Mule Suttles (1956)
67.1 - Hardy Richardson (1905)
67.1 - Grant Johnson (1925)
66.8 - Mordecai Brown (1925)
66.8 - Ted Lyons (1949)
65.8 - Billy Williams (1983)
65.0 - Bill Foster (1945)
64.9 - Heinie Groh (1938)
63.2 - Harry Stovey (1916)
62.4 - Stan Coveleski (1938)
62.1 - Larry Doby (1965)
61.6 - Jimmy Sheckard (1930)
61.3 - Frank Grant (1926)
61.3 - Monte Irvin (1963)
61.0 - Bobby Wallace (1929)
60.9 - Charlie Bennett (1921)
60.9 - Enos Slaughter (1965)
60.7 - Joe McGinnity (1928)
60.2 - Sherry Magee (1926)
60.0 - Pete Hill (1927)
59.9 - Billy Herman (1958)
59.9 - Joe Torre (1984)
58.0 - John Beckwith (1957)
56.6 - Bob Caruthers (1930)
56.5 - Dazzy Vance (1942)
54.9 - Don Drysdale (1975)
54.6 - Sam Thompson (1929)
54.3 - Sandy Koufax (1972)
53.0 - Dickey Pearce (1931)

VERY SPLIT DECISIONS (<50)

49.1 - Early Wynn (1970)
48.6 - Rube Foster (1932)
48.6 - Stan Hack (1958)
48.5 - Lou Boudreau (1958)
47.0 - José Méndez (1985)
46.3 - Red Faber (1939)
45.6 - Max Carey (1939)
44.9 - Bill Terry (1942)
44.7 - Joe Medwick (1967)
43.0 - Bill Freehan (1985)
41.8 - Joe Gordon (1976)
41.5 - Bob Lemon (1967)
41.3 - Wes Ferrell (1964)
40.5 - Lip Pike (1940)
40.4 - Earl Averill (1961)
39.4 - Ralph Kiner (1987)
39.1 - Billy Pierce (1987)
38.8 - Red Ruffing (1966)
38.7 - Eppa Rixey (1968)
38.2 - George Sisler (1979)
38.1 - Richie Ashburn (1968)
38.1 - Rube Waddell (1986)
37.9 - Willard Brown (1976)
37.7 - Hughie Jennings (1960)
37.7 - Jim Bunning (1977)
36.8 - Cool Papa Bell (1973)
35.5 - Cupid Childs (1988)
35.4 - Biz Mackey (1975)
34.8 - Joe Sewell (1985)
34.7 - Minnie Minoso (1987)
32.8 - Clark Griffith (1971)
32.8 - Bobby Doerr (1972)
   16. yest Posted: November 17, 2006 at 03:10 AM (#2239997)
A list of eligible HoFers
HoMers in bold
all HoFers with significant playing careers are included
1936
Ty Cobb, Babe Ruth, Honus Wagner, Christy Mathewson, Walter Johnson
1937
Nap Lajoie, Tris Speaker, Cy Young , Connie Mack, John McGraw, George Wright
1938
Pete Alexander
1939
George Sisler , Eddie Collins , Willie Keeler , Lou Gehrig, Cap Anson , Charlie Comiskey , Candy Cummings , Buck Ewing , Charles Radbourn , Al Spalding
1942
Rogers Hornsby
1945
Roger Bresnahan , Dan Brouthers , Fred Clarke , Jimmy Collins , Ed Delahanty , Hugh Duffy , Hughie Jennings , King Kelly , Jim O’Rourke , Wilbert Robinson
1946
Jesse Burkett , Frank Chance , Jack Chesbro , Johnny Evers , , Clark Griffith, , Tommy McCarthy , Joe McGinnity , Eddie Plank , Joe Tinker , Rube Waddell , Ed Walsh
1947
Carl Hubbell , Frankie Frisch , Mickey Cochrane , Lefty Grove
1948
Herb Pennock , Pie Traynor
1949
Charlie Gehringer , Mordecai Brown , Kid Nichols
1951
Mel Ott , Jimmie Foxx
1952
Harry Heilmann , Paul Waner
1953
Al Simmons , Dizzy Dean , Chief Bender , Bobby Wallace , Harry Wright
1954
Rabbit Maranville , Bill Dickey , Bill Terry
1955
Joe DiMaggio , Ted Lyons , Dazzy Vance , Gabby Hartnett , Frank Baker , Ray Schalk
1956
Hank Greenberg , Joe Cronin
1957
Sam Crawford
1959
Zack Wheat
1961
Max Carey , Billy Hamilton
1962
Bob Feller , Jackie Robinson , Bill McKechnie , Edd Roush
1963
John Clarkson , Elmer Flick , Sam Rice , Eppa Rixey
1964
Luke Appling , Red Faber , Burleigh Grimes , Miller Huggins , Tim Keefe , Heinie Manush , Monte Ward
1965
Pud Galvin
1966
Ted Williams , Casey Stengel
1967
Red Ruffing , Lloyd Waner
1968
Joe Medwick , Kiki Cuyler , Goose Goslin
1969
Stan Musial, Roy Campanella , Stan Coveleski , , Waite Hoyt,
1970
Lou Boudreau , Earle Combs , Jesse Haines,
1971
Dave Bancroft , Jake Beckley , Chick Hafey , Harry Hooper , Joe Kelley , Rube Marquard , Satchel Paige
1972
Sandy Koufax , Yogi Berra ,Early Wynn, Lefty Gomez , Ross Youngs , Josh Gibson , Buck Leonard
1973
Warren Spahn , George Kelly , Mickey Welch , Monte Irvin , Roberto Clemente
1974
Mickey Mantle , Whitey Ford , Jim Bottomley , Sam Thompson , Cool Papa Bell
1975
Ralph Kiner , Earl Averill , Bucky Harris , Billy Herman , Judy Johnson
1976
Robin Roberts, Bob Lemon , Roger Connor , Freddy Lindstrom , Oscar Charleston
1977
Ernie Banks ,Amos Rusie , Joe Sewell , Al Lopez , Martin Dihigo , Pop Lloyd
1978
Eddie Mathews, Addie Joss
1979
Willie Mays , Hack Wilson
1980
Al Kaline, Duke Snider, Chuck Klein
1981
Bob Gibson, Johnny Mize , Rube Foster
1982
Hank Aaron, Frank Robinson, Travis Jackson
1983
Brooks Robinson, Juan Marichal, George Kell
1984
Luis Aparicio, Harmon Killebrew, Don Drysdale, Rick Ferrell , Pee Wee Reese
1985
Hoyt Wilhelm, Lou Brock, Enos Slaughter , Arky Vaughan
1986
Willie McCovey, Bobby Doerr, Ernie Lombardi
1987
Billy Williams, Catfish Hunter, Ray Dandridge
1988
Willie Stargell
1989
Johnny Bench, Carl Yastrzemski, Red Schoendienst
1991
Gaylord Perry, Ferguson Jenkins, Tony Lazzeri
1992
Hal Newhouser
1994
Leo Durocher , Phil Rizzuto
1995
Leon Day , Vic Willis , Richie Ashburn
1996
Jim Bunning, Bill Foster , Ned Hanlon
1997
Nellie Fox, Willie Wells
1998
George Davis , Larry Doby , Joe Rogan
1999
Orlando Cepeda, Joe Williams
2000
Bid McPhee , Turkey Stearnes
2001
Bill Mazeroski , Hilton Smith
2006
Ray Brown, Willard Brown, Andy Cooper, Biz Mackey, Mule Suttles, Cristobal Torriente, Jud Wilson, Frank Grant, Pete Hill, Jose Mendez Louis Santop, Ben Taylor, Sol White
   17. karlmagnus Posted: November 17, 2006 at 03:50 AM (#2240015)
Speaker came up in 1934, same year as Cobb, Collins, Pop Lloyd and Smoky Joe Williams. He and Cobb were elected in '34, then Collins and Lloyd in '35. Some electors (including me) had him below Collins or one of the others.
   18. sunnyday2 Posted: November 17, 2006 at 03:54 AM (#2240020)
IOW nobody ever said Speaker was the 85th most worthy candidate. It's an artifact of the voting format running up against the greatest class of newbies ever.

In that company, Speaker still finished second, so what do you want? He got 1 1st place vote (Cobb got 52, Collins 2, Lloyd 1), 22 2nds, 17 3rds, 10 4ths and 6 5ths.

And Torriente was a member of that class, too.
   19. Chris Cobb Posted: November 17, 2006 at 04:09 AM (#2240027)
To elaborate on karlmagnus's point, Lemon Curry's list of voting percentages provides interesting trivia, but the listing of voting percentages and the "tiers" into which he divides players by voting percentage, in no way represents a ranking determination within the Hall of Merit. The voting percentage that any one player receives is heavily dependent on who else happened to be eligible at the same time as that player.

Notice that Eddie Collins is high on the list at 97.8, which was the percentage of possible points he received when he was elected in 1935, after the electorate had passed on electing him in 1934, preferring Cobb and Speaker, who were also eligible for the first time in 1934. A review of the history of the elections shows that the electorate regarded Speaker very highly indeed: all that Speaker's vote percentage really tells us is that the electorate thought, generally, that Cobb was better than Speaker among the players who became eligible in 1934.

Like the Hall of Fame, the only official goal of the Hall of Merit and its electoral system is to determine which players should be elected. One may draw some conclusions about whom the electorate views as among the best and worst players in the Hall by studying the voting history, but the Hall of Merit has made no attempt to rank its members, and Lemon Curry's lists do not represent a finding of the Hall of Merit.

Our claim to be a Hall of Merit would indeed be doubtful if we had ranked Tris Speaker as only the 85th best player of all time, but we haven't.
   20. OCF Posted: November 17, 2006 at 06:01 AM (#2240125)
We had a somewhat similar situation in 1989. It wasn't quite 1934, of course - nothing was quite 1934. Ferguson Jenkins earned a clear majority of the fourth place votes. From there, he may only move up to mostly third place votes, as he faces new competition from new candidates Morgan and Palmer. But it is quite possible that Jenkins will be elected in 1990 with a higher vote percentage than Gaylord Perry had in 1989, which would put him higher in Lemon Curry's lists than Perry. Of course, the 1989 vote itself is clear: on average, the electorate thinks Perry was better than Jenkins.

Note that Lemon Curry is a non-voter and that he started posting his lists fairly recently. I don't think any of the voters would have posted such a list; we understand how it works and how meaningless the vote percentage really is.

One long-running list that is posted and maintained by a voter: Howie Menckel's all-time vote-getters list (#6 in this thread). What quality of player is on that list? That's the borderline, folks. Those are (more or less) the worst (or at least the most contoversial) players in the HoM and some of the best (subject to having become eligible long ago) players not in the HoM.

My own 1934 ballot: 1. Cobb, 2. Collins, 3. Speaker, 4. Williams, 5. Lloyd, 6. Torriente. Don't spin that as me having found fault with Speaker and Lloyd but rather that I found even more to like about Collins and Williams.
   21. Joey Numbaz (Scruff) Posted: November 17, 2006 at 06:11 AM (#2240129)
Just to avoid future comments from bystanders like Kevin that aren't really aware of what we are doing, could you please put some kind of disclaimer summing up the past few comments next time Lemon Curry - it's a cool list, but other lurkers could make the same mistake Kevin did . . . thanks!
   22. Joey Numbaz (Scruff) Posted: November 17, 2006 at 06:14 AM (#2240134)
Actually, you know what might be a cool way to do the list - % of possible points - but using the bottom 'elect me' spot that year as the denominator.

So in a 50-vote election taking three players, use 50*22 = 1100 as the denominator, not 50*24=1200. And just cap it at 1.00 . . . just an idea, but it would probably be a better way to account for 1934 type classes . . . it's your list, but that's just a suggestion.
   23. Howie Menckel Posted: November 17, 2006 at 02:39 PM (#2240265)
"Hall of Merit, my ass. Voting Speaker as the 85th most worthy candidate is a worse outcome than letting Freddie Lindstrom in the real one."

And making such an assumption without first checking the facts is nothing to brag about, either.
   24. DavidFoss Posted: November 17, 2006 at 03:40 PM (#2240291)
No shame in losing a few votes to Cobb, Collins, Lloyd & SJWilliams. There's a quite a load of irony in that Speakers was inducted in the first ballot with 82% over Collins (81%), Lloyd (77%), and SJWilliams (69%). Impressive! Then with Cobb/Speaker off the ballot Collins/Lloyd spiked up to 98/91% the following year, then with all Cobb/Speaker/Collins/Lloyd off the ballot then SJWilliams's percentage spiked up to 94% as well. So, by finishing 2nd in '34, Speaker looks 5th on the above list.

Tons of other discrepancies can be pointed out. Note that 8 of the guys below Sisler on the list actually beat Sisler in the year they were inducted. Ditto the 5 guys below Childs. etc etc etc

As Chris said, the list is for fun trivial uses and there's a fun story behind many things that don't look quite right. There are no tiers to the HOM. Just in and out. The rigid election schedule has led to some players waiting shorter or longer than they would wait if our schedule was more flexible (elect five one year, none the next depending on quality of candidates).

Anyhow, I'm beating a dead horse now. :-)
   25. sunnyday2 Posted: November 17, 2006 at 03:48 PM (#2240305)
Well, I enjoy the list, with the obvious caveats. I hope Lemon isn't discouraged from continuing with it.
   26. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: November 17, 2006 at 04:27 PM (#2240336)
Just to avoid future comments from bystanders like Kevin that aren't really aware of what we are doing, could you please put some kind of disclaimer summing up the past few comments next time Lemon Curry - it's a cool list, but other lurkers could make the same mistake Kevin did . . . thanks!

Posting a caveat would have also made it even easier for me to refrain from posting nasty retorts to posters who are ignorant of our procedures. :-)
   27. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: November 17, 2006 at 04:29 PM (#2240337)
Well, I enjoy the list, with the obvious caveats. I hope Lemon isn't discouraged from continuing with it.

Same here, Marc. It may not indicate exactly how we feel about each HoMer, but it's still interesting and worthwhile data and is appreciated.
   28. Mark Donelson Posted: November 17, 2006 at 10:17 PM (#2240688)
And making such an assumption without first checking the facts is nothing to brag about, either.

Well, this is Kevin we're dealing with here.
   29. Mike Emeigh Posted: November 18, 2006 at 01:41 AM (#2240842)
FWIW:

If you run the same list for the Hall of Fame, Speaker ranks 61st on that list:

HOFers elected by BBWAA, sorted by percentage of vote received when inducted.

-- MWE
   30. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: November 18, 2006 at 02:36 AM (#2240856)
FWIW:

If you run the same list for the Hall of Fame, Speaker ranks 61st on that list:

HOFers elected by BBWAA, sorted by percentage of vote received when inducted.

-- MWE


36 voters out of 201 didn't vote for Spoke at the HOF, while everyone voted for Speaker here. Yeah, that makes us look worse. ;-)
   31. Daryn Posted: November 18, 2006 at 06:17 PM (#2241135)
If you run the same list for the Hall of Fame, Speaker ranks 61st on that list:

And Collins, Hornsby, Morgan and Cy Young are even lower than Speaker. Any group that thinks Cy Young is the 97th most worthy candidate...nevermind.
   32. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: November 18, 2006 at 07:05 PM (#2241162)
And Collins, Hornsby, Morgan and Cy Young are even lower than Speaker. Any group that thinks Cy Young is the 97th most worthy candidate...nevermind.

:-D
   33. Rick A. Posted: November 20, 2006 at 04:13 AM (#2241954)
(can anyone post the update on variances from these tallies? I pop 'em in manually, eventually I have some errors, usually minor)

Howie,
Here are the differences I have.

Grimes 6636
McGraw 5152
Boyer 4371
   34. Howie Menckel Posted: November 20, 2006 at 04:25 AM (#2241961)
thanks, Rick A!
Well, I'm getting more careful at least, off by 2, 10, and 1....
so REVISED

all-time 'votes points' thru 1989 - those still eligible in 1990 election are in CAPS. electees not in caps.

Pending a check of the official tallies, looks like Beckley would come VERY close to taking over the No. 1 all-time slot after all these years.... Redding passes Mendez for 13th, and all-time Negro League pitching pts lead... Leach cuts Bresnahan's lead from 10 pts to 4, both pass Bennett for spots 18-19... Moore the 23rd player with 10,000 pts, we won't add too many more.. Roush hits the top 25 next year...

TOP 25, ALL-TIME
VAN HALTREN 23334.5
BECKLEY 23239
DUFFY 22611.5
BROWNING 19712.5
Childs 18484
Griffith 17924
Waddell 17596
Jennings 16976
WELCH 15917
Sisler 13892

Pike 13399
Sewell 12769
REDDING 12599
Mendez 12555
Thompson 12349
CJONES 12275
RYAN 11969.5
BRESNAHAN 11597
TLEACH 11591
Bennett 11503

Rixey 10789
Caruthers 10704
MOORE 10203
Beckwith 9896
H Stovey 9576

OTHERS IN THE TOP 25 ACTIVE
(Roush 9413, Doyle 7555, Cravath 7343, Grimes 6636, Monroe 6521, Walters 6378, Schang 5524, Williamson 5442, Trouppe 5436, McGraw 5152, Oms 4874, Fox 4843, BJohnson 4419, Boyer 4371)

not quite
(Keller 4054)
   35. DavidFoss Posted: November 20, 2006 at 05:42 AM (#2241990)
TOP 25, ALL-TIME
VAN HALTREN 23334.5
BECKLEY 23239
DUFFY 22611.5
BROWNING 19712.5


Its looking like a three horse 'race'. Browning looks to be too far back at this point (at least for a 2007 snapshot).

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