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Monday, November 27, 2006

1992 Ballot Discussion

1992 (December 26)—elect 2
WS W3 Rookie Name-Pos (Died)

547 160.2 1963 Pete Rose-LF/1B
388 147.7 1967 Tom Seaver-P
329 119.1 1970 Bobby Grich-2B
349 108.6 1965 Tony Perez-1B/3B
296 88.4 1970 Cesar Cedeno-CF
287 89.7 1971 Toby Harrah-3B/SS
269 88.0 1971 George Foster-LF
245 77.1 1971 Dusty Baker-LF
202 79.9 1970 Vida Blue-P
221 62.6 1971 Chris Chambliss-1B*
185 63.4 1969 Bill Russell-SS
194 59.9 1972 Ben Oglivie-LF
195 50.4 1971 Dave Kingman-1B/LF
165 50.1 1976 Jason Thompson-1B
159 45.4 1974 Bruce Bochte-1B
152 43.7 1973 Gorman Thomas-CF
133 51.2 1975 Dennis Leonard-P
139 44.6 1977 Steve Kemp-LF*
126 45.8 1971 Jim Slaton-P
123 48.7 1975 John Denny-P
138 36.3 1974 Al Cowens-RF (2002)
134 36.6 1974 Cliff Johnson-DH/1B
119 38.6 1976 Omar Moreno-CF
129 33.1 1974 Enos Cabell-B/1B
107 41.4 1971 Terry Forster-RP
106 38.5 1973 Steve Yeager-C

Players Passing Away in 1991
HoMers
Age Elected

87 1973 Cool Papa Bell-CF
83 1956 Luke Appling-SS

Candidates
Age Eligible

92——Happy Chandler-HOF/2nd Commissioner
89 1939 Smead Jolley-LF
86 1947 Leo Durocher-SS
83 1953 Bill Byrd-P
82 1954 Bucky Walters-P
79 1951 Bobby Estalella-CF/LF
77 1953 Roy Cullenbine-RF
76 1963 Walker Cooper-C
75 1956 Ken Keltner-3B
74 1961 Hank Majeski-3B
71 1955 Frank Gustine-2B/3B
69 1962 Hoot Evers-LF/CF
64 1973 Smoky Burgess-C/PH
63 1970 Pete Runnels-2B/1B
56 1977 George Brunet-P
53 1979 Chris Short-P
43 1982 Clay Kirby-P

Upcoming Candidate
32 1993 Alan Wiggins-2B

For the umpteenth time, thanks to Dan!

John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: November 27, 2006 at 11:54 PM | 307 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   301. EricC Posted: December 20, 2006 at 02:59 AM (#2265438)
Bobby Mathews 1118-241, 1.86 ERA (Actual: 297-248; 2.89 ERA)

I could understand if they prorated seasons to 162 games without taking into account changes in pitcher usage patterns. But how does the W% go from 0.545 to 0.823?
   302. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: December 20, 2006 at 02:38 PM (#2265616)
Okay, so B-R.com thinks the pitchers from the 1870's were Roger Clemens to the 10th power, while BP thinks they were at best mediocre.

I think I'll ignore both conclusions, if you don't mind. :-)
   303. Mark Shirk (jsch) Posted: December 20, 2006 at 03:37 PM (#2265662)
The BP translations do a decent job with evening the playing field in IP, putting them in a modern context. As far as I can tell, the real workhorses from the 19th century still look like work horses only they are pitching abou 250-260 IP instead of 500. It's the effectiveness that gets wiped away witht he timeline.
   304. KJOK Posted: December 20, 2006 at 09:16 PM (#2265925)
They are both useful in my opinion, but you have to understand how they're being calculated.

For B-R.com, they're simply taking the pitchers Batters Faced and pro-rating them for season length, then using a ratio type method to calculate the frequency of each event per the new prorated playint time. For the Win%, I think that's a flaw in the methodolgy regarding runs/earned runs, and should just be ignored for any league/era where there were a lot of unearned runs.

For BP, they do a timelining level of competition exercise, then they adjust pitcher innings AND results for the change in fielding/pitching credit, then I think they also adjust for change in usage patterns on top of that.
   305. sunnyday2 Posted: December 20, 2006 at 10:13 PM (#2265949)
>Al Spalding 77-116, 5.40 ERA

And God 83-105, 5.02

Wasn't worth a damn.
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