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Sunday, December 21, 2008

2009 BBTF Hall of Fame Ballot

IMPORTANT: Please read:

This election should follow BBWAA rules, not Hall of Merit rules. However, we hope to see only players that each voter feels belong on their ballots - if you don’t feel he really is a HOFer, then please refrain from posting that player’s name (examples of whom I am referring to are Mookie Wilson, Scott Broscius, Buddy Biancalana - players who were well liked or were underdogs, but have no creditable HOF resume). Leaving 1st-year candidates off your ballot is also frowned upon. IOW, we would like to see an absence of some of the silliness that permeates Hall of Fame voting by the writers.

The election will end next Sunday (8 PM EST). Results will be posted at the same time.

Here are some of the rules by the BBWAA that pertain to our electorate:

3. Eligible Candidates — Candidates to be eligible must meet the following requirements:

A. A baseball player must have been active as a player in the Major Leagues at some time during a period beginning twenty (20) years before and ending five (5) years prior to election.
B. Player must have played in each of ten (10) Major League championship seasons, some part of which must have been within the period described in 3 (A).
C. Player shall have ceased to be an active player in the Major Leagues at least five (5) calendar years preceding the election but may be otherwise connected with baseball.
D. In case of the death of an active player or a player who has been retired for less than five (5) full years, a candidate who is otherwise eligible shall be eligible in the next regular election held at least six (6) months after the date of death or after the end of the five (5) year period, whichever occurs first.
E. Any player on Baseball’s ineligible list shall not be an eligible candidate.

4. Method of Election

A. BBWAA Screening Committee — A Screening Committee consisting of baseball writers will be appointed by the BBWAA. This Screening Committee shall consist of six members, with two members to be elected at each Annual Meeting for a three-year term. The duty of the Screening Committee shall be to prepare a ballot listing in alphabetical order eligible candidates who (1) received a vote on a minimum of five percent (5%) of the ballots cast in the preceding election or (2) are eligible for the first time and are nominated by any two of the six members of the BBWAA Screening Committee.
B. Electors may vote for as few as zero (0) and as many as ten (10) eligible candidates deemed worthy of election. Write-in votes are not permitted.+
C. Any candidate receiving votes on seventy-five percent (75%) of the ballots cast shall be elected to membership in the National Baseball Hall of Fame.

5. Voting — Voting shall be based upon the player’s record, playing ability, integrity, sportsmanship, character, and contributions to the team(s) on which the player played.

The eligible candidates are: Harold Baines, Jay Bell*, Bert Blyleven, David Cone*, Andre Dawson, Ron Gant*, Mark Grace*, Rickey Henderson*, Tommy John**, Don Mattingly, Mark McGwire, Jack Morris, Dale Murphy, Jesse Orosco*, Dave Parker, Dan Plesac*, Tim Raines, Jim Rice**, Lee Smith, Alan Trammell, Greg Vaughn*, Mo Vaughn* and Matt Williams*.

+ Write-ins are allowed, but won’t be included with the official tally.

* 1st-year candidates.

** Last year of eligibility.

John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: December 21, 2008 at 02:18 PM | 133 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   101. Athletic Supporter can feel the slow rot Posted: December 23, 2008 at 06:17 AM (#3036492)
Alpha:

Henderson
McGwire
Murphy
Raines
Trammell
   102. 6 - 4 - 3 Posted: December 23, 2008 at 12:11 PM (#3036549)
Question: Could a player who was removed earlier for being on less than 5% of ballots, but is still otherwise eligible (not on the banned list, and retired for less than 20 years), get on the next ballot if 5% of the writers wrote their names in on this years ballot?

No, HOF voters are not allowed to write in anyone. Any vote for a player who was determined as an eligible player for the election by the BBWAA screening committee is ignored--even for players who are otherwise eligible.

At present, there is no recourse for a player who is dropped for receiving less than 5%. It would require either a modification to the BBWAA procedures (very unlikely) or a revision to the veteran's committee (unlikely, but possible). But as it stands now, a player like Lou Whitaker cannot be reconsidered for the HOF.
   103. 6 - 4 - 3 Posted: December 23, 2008 at 12:12 PM (#3036550)
Any vote for a player who was determined as an eligible player for the election by the BBWAA screening committee is ignored--even for players who are otherwise eligible.

Ack, there's a "not" missing from there somewhere. Apologies for the crappy sentence construction. Let's make it simpler:

Any write-in vote is ignored.
   104. Rants Mulliniks Posted: December 23, 2008 at 02:23 PM (#3036574)
Henderson
Raines
McGwire
Trammell
Blyleven
Parker
   105. DanG Posted: December 23, 2008 at 03:54 PM (#3036621)
At present, there is no recourse for a player who is dropped for receiving less than 5%. It would require either a modification to the BBWAA procedures (very unlikely) or a revision to the veteran's committee (unlikely, but possible). But as it stands now, a player like Lou Whitaker cannot be reconsidered for the HOF.
Not quite true. The VC does consider players dropped by the 5% Rule. Among the 21 semi-finalists for this year's post-war VC ballot were BBWAA one-and-done candidates Al Oliver, Bert Campaneris, Mike Cuellar and Lee May (Oliver made the 10-man ballot).

They do have to wait until their "class" graduates from the BBWAA ballot, so they have to be retired for 21 years before the VC considers them. So the first-time VC candidates in their next election in 2010 will include retirees from 1988-89: one-and-done Ted Simmons, Darrell Evans and Buddy Bell; later 5-percenters Graig Nettles and Ron Guidry; and 15-year men Dave Concepcion and Tommy John.
   106. DL from MN Posted: December 23, 2008 at 04:09 PM (#3036633)
> Kevin Brown is a fringe candidate

No, he's a better candidate than Don Drysdale, Dennis Eckersley and several other qualified HoF pitchers.
   107. DL from MN Posted: December 23, 2008 at 04:11 PM (#3036638)
> VC candidates in their next election...

..had better include Bobby Grich. Actually I wouldn't mind a Santo up/down vote at this point.
   108. mulder & scully Posted: December 23, 2008 at 07:25 PM (#3036805)
In no particular order,

Rickey Henderson
Bert Blyleven
Mark McGwire
Tim Raines
Alan Trammell

Plus write-in (though uncounted)
Dwight Evans
Ted Simmons
Darrell Evans
Lou Whitaker

VC
Ron Santo
Bobby Grich
   109. EricC Posted: December 23, 2008 at 07:36 PM (#3036818)
2009 HoF ballot (n = 10) "Large Hall" advocate. Not high on relief pitchers as HoFers generally. Morris, Murphy, and Rice are very strong Hall of Very Good players, imo. The cases for Baines, Dawson, Parker, and Cone are not as compelling to me as those for the top 6.

Baines
Blyleven
Cone
Dawson
Henderson
John
McGwire
Parker
Raines
Trammell
   110. rawagman Posted: December 23, 2008 at 08:53 PM (#3036919)
EricC - I know you don't need to justify your picks, but I'm curious as to how you see Baines/Parker ahead of Rice/Murphy. There is no wrong answer, just looking for a different POV. Thanks.
   111. Chris Cobb Posted: December 24, 2008 at 01:34 AM (#3037379)
My ballot. I'm neither a large Hall nor a small Hall advocate. I'm a consistent-standards Hall advocate. Obviously, it is now impossible for the Hall to have a truly consistent standard anymore, but the Hal of Merit shows pretty clearly where the Hall of Fame's standard ought to be, given its size, so I've decided to vote for the HoF according to that standard.

In rank order:

Rickey Henderson
Alan Trammell
Bert Blyleven
Tim Raines
Mark McGwire
Tommy John
Andre Dawson
David Cone
   112. dlf Posted: December 24, 2008 at 02:28 AM (#3037412)
Henderson, Raines, Trammell, Murphy, Dawson.

Steroids are weighted, but do not absolutely disqualify a player. I think w/o PEDs McGwire's effective career length is much shorter. I could be convinced otherwise, but I am disapointed that principle effect of the Mitchell Report seems to have been to close a chapter on an era without a resolution about causes, effects, duration, extentent, etc.

I am torn about Blyleven. What he did on the field, even discounting the ERA+ et cetera because of the disconnect with wins, is well beyond the standards of the Hall. But I have a real problem with quitting on the Pirates in '80. I have often opined that Gary Sheffield stating that he intentionally committed errors (whether he actually committed them or not) was more heinous than steroids. PEDs are a questionable tactic trying to win; Sheffield's statement was an admission he didn't try. Even if false, the statement itself calls into question the fundamental concept of sports: I'll do my best to try to win. Period. I see Blyleven's act in a similar vein. It isn't an absolute disqualifier, but comes close so I'll stew on it for another year.
   113. Nolan Giesbrecht Posted: December 24, 2008 at 02:38 AM (#3037414)
My ballot:

1. Rickey Henderson
2. Tim Raines
3. Bert Blyleven
4. Alan Trammell
5. Mark McGwire
6. Tommy John

The top five, for me, are no-doubt about it Hall of Famers - but not inner circle types, with the exception of Rickey - and they slot in well above the mediocre electees, but below the Ruths and Schmidt`s.

Tommy John for me was a hard choice to make as he is better than Don Sutton (HoF) and Jim Kaat, but only barely; he`s a hair worse than Roberts. John was good to very good for a long time, but never had a peak that screams Hall of Fame - the exact opposite of Koufax. He fits in nicely with career value guys like Sutton, Roberts, Grimes, and Wynn, so he makes my ballot

Originally I had Dawson on my ballot, but a 119 OPS+ from a guy with a bad OB% and who played only 1000 games at center doesn`t quite cut it for me. He`s on my bubble and I could be convinced to vote for him next year yet.

Write in votes for Simmons and Whittaker...and Grich if he`s eligible for such a thing.
   114. Brent Posted: December 24, 2008 at 04:10 AM (#3037444)
The "small-Hall" train left the station more than 30 years ago. All of the following players are comparable to the players in the Hall's top 3 quartiles, and none would diminish the overall quality of the HoF. In rank order:

1. Henderson
2. Blyleven
3. Raines
4. McGwire
5. Trammell
6. Cone
7. Mattingly
8. Parker
9. Murphy
10. Dawson
   115. Adam Schafer Posted: December 24, 2008 at 06:17 AM (#3037510)
in no particular order.

Bert Blyleven
Tommy John
Andre Dawson
Rickey Henderson
Tim Raines
Lee Smith
Alan Trammell
Dave Parker
Mark McGwire
   116. JMPH Posted: December 24, 2008 at 06:59 AM (#3037535)
Henderson
McGwire
Blyleven
Raines
Trammell
   117. cookiedabookie Posted: December 24, 2008 at 05:36 PM (#3037807)
Harold Baines,
Bert Blyleven,
Andre Dawson,
Rickey Henderson,
Tommy John,
Dale Murphy,
Dave Parker,
Tim Raines,
Lee Smith,
Alan Trammell
   118. cookiedabookie Posted: December 24, 2008 at 05:39 PM (#3037809)
Harold Baines,
Bert Blyleven,
Andre Dawson,
Rickey Henderson,
Tommy John,
Dale Murphy,
Dave Parker,
Tim Raines,
Lee Smith,
Alan Trammell
   119. stax Posted: December 24, 2008 at 11:45 PM (#3038020)
Rickey Henderson
Bert Blyleven
Tim Raines
Mark McGwire
Lee Smith
Alan Trammell
   120. David in Toledo Posted: December 25, 2008 at 05:51 PM (#3038222)
Blyleven
Raines
Henderson
Trammell
   121. MBL Posted: December 25, 2008 at 06:01 PM (#3038229)
Blyleven
Dawson
Henderson
John
McGwire
Morris
Murphy
Raines
Rice
Trammell
   122. Scott A Posted: December 25, 2008 at 10:54 PM (#3038293)
Blyleven
Henderson
McGwire
Raines
Trammell
Murphy

Parker is close -- maybe simialr to Murphy in being right on the cusp? -- but whereas Murphy seems to have been a good citizen of MLB, Parker's troubles were of his own making. In close calls, I'll give a little weight to that; Murphy was close (and at a tough position, CF, with fewer HOF'rs than Parker's), and Parker was close too but it's his own durn fault he blew it.
   123. ckash Posted: December 25, 2008 at 11:10 PM (#3038296)
Henderson
Blyleven
Raines
Trammell
McGwire
   124. bartap74 Posted: December 25, 2008 at 11:45 PM (#3038299)
Blyleven
Cone
Henderson
McGwire
Raines
Trammell

Not 100 percent on Cone, but he squeaked onto my ballot.
   125. DanG Posted: December 26, 2008 at 05:40 AM (#3038349)
A full ballot, as always:
Rickey Henderson
Tim Raines
Bert Blyleven
Mark McGwire
Alan Trammell
Andre Dawson
Tommy John
Dale Murphy
Jim Rice
David Cone

No room at the inn for:
Dave Parker
Don Mattingly
Lee Smith
   126. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: December 28, 2008 at 01:41 AM (#3039008)
Just a reminder that the election ends tomorrow.
   127. Devin has a deep burning passion for fuzzy socks Posted: December 28, 2008 at 05:50 AM (#3039085)
Henderson
Blyleven
Raines
McGwire
Trammell
(if I were writing in, put Whitaker, Clark, Hernandez, Stieb and Dwight Evans here)
Dawson
Murphy
Cone
Smith
John

While only the top half makes my Personal Hall, none of them would look out of place in Cooperstown.
   128. Rob_Wood Posted: December 28, 2008 at 08:24 AM (#3039131)
My ballot:

Blyleven
Henderson
McGwire
Raines
Trammell
   129. Roy Hobbs of WIFFLE Ball Posted: December 28, 2008 at 10:15 AM (#3039138)
Rickey Henderson
Mark McGwire
Tim Raines
Bert Blyleven
Andre Dawson
Jim Rice
Dale Murphy
Dave Parker
Alan Trammell
   130. Clint Posted: December 29, 2008 at 12:01 AM (#3039256)
Here's my ballot, in alphabetical order.

Blyleven
Dawson
Henderson
Mattingly
McGwire
Murphy
Parker
Raines
Rice
Trammell
   131. UCCF Posted: December 29, 2008 at 12:11 AM (#3039263)
Blyleven
Dawson
Henderson
McGwire
Morris
Raines
Rice
Smith
Trammell
   132. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: December 29, 2008 at 02:00 AM (#3039294)
The election is now over. Results will be posted at 10 PM.
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