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Sunday, January 18, 2009

2009 Post-WWII Players Results: Torre and Santo Meet Our Requirements for the Hall of Fame!

With 94% support from our electorate, star player and manager Joe Torre was the top vote-getter for this election.

Not that far behind, Cub third baseman Ron Santo earned a very impressive 92% in his own right.

Close but no cigar, talented and controversial great Dick Allen just missed it by obtaining 74%.

As for our HoM subgroup, Santo was a unanimous pick, while Torre and Allen had very strong support themselves with their 93% and 86% each.

Thanks to everyone who submitted a ballot or joined in the discussion! Thanks also to OCF for help with the tally!

See you again at the end of the year for the next elections!

RK   LY  Player       PTS  Bal   1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9 10 11 12 13 14 15
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 1    2  Joe Torre     47   47                                
 2    1  Ron Santo     46   46                                 
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 3    5  Dick Allen    37   37                             
 4   11  Luis Tiant    23   23                                 
 5   17T Tony Oliva     3    3                                
 6   16  Jim Kaat       2    2                               
7T   20T Al Oliver      1    1                                     
7T   20T Vada Pinson    1    1                                    
Dropped Out: Gil Hodges(10), Maury Wills(n/e).
Ballots Cast: 50

RK   LY  Player       PTS  Bal   1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9 10 11 12 13 14 15
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 1    1  Ron Santo     28   28                                    
 2    2  Joe Torre     26   26                               
 3    5  Dick Allen    24   24                                 
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 4   11  Luis Tiant    15   15                              
 5   17T Tony Oliva     3    3                               
6T   16  Jim Kaat       1    1                                      
6T   20T Al Oliver      1    1           
6T   20T Vada Pinson    1    1                                    
Dropped Out: Gil Hodges(10), Maury Wills(n/e).
Ballots Cast: 28

John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: January 18, 2009 at 10:16 PM | 9 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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1. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: January 19, 2009 at 04:04 AM (#3054984)

Here you go!

A message for all HoM voters: I will post a 2010 discussion thread and also player threads tomorrow.

2. The George Sherrill Selection Posted: January 19, 2009 at 05:05 AM (#3055000)

Whoever didn't vote for Torre should have his children taken away!

3. OCF Posted: January 19, 2009 at 05:16 AM (#3055007)

Not voting for Torre:

Dan R.
Lassus
bjhanke

Not voting for Santo:

Jason Kendall's # whatever fan
Mike Emeigh
Theo Epstein Apologists
Andy

As for unusual positive votes:

Al Oliver: yest
Vada Pinson: AJM
Jim Kaat: The District Attorney, EricC
Tony Oliva: rawagman, bjhanke, yest

4. Obama Bomaye Posted: January 19, 2009 at 06:15 AM (#3055032)

Brock gave thoughtful reasons for not voting for Torre. Not sure about the others -- possible they didn't consider the managing, despite it being made clear that they should.

5. David Concepcion de la Desviacion Estandar (Dan R) Posted: January 19, 2009 at 02:11 PM (#3055078)

Meh, I just sort of think managers are all the same unless they do something tactically notable. Maybe a littttle credit for his excellent use of Rivera in the postseason, but really a blip.

6. Mike Emeigh

Posted: January 19, 2009 at 02:51 PM (#3055082)

Meh, I just sort of think managers are all the same unless they do something tactically notable.

Most of what a manager has to do is to manage people - players, coaches, his GM, and in many cases, his owner.

-- MWE

7. Paul Wendt Posted: January 19, 2009 at 05:22 PM (#3055169)

and oftentimes, too,
the Knights of the Keyboard and/
or the Men with Mikes

8. David Concepcion de la Desviacion Estandar (Dan R) Posted: January 19, 2009 at 05:45 PM (#3055185)

How do you measure how well a manager manages people? And how do we measure the relationship between this phenomenon and winning? I'll stick with my null hypothesis until shown otherwise. (Can anyone link me to that Leo Mazzone study that was done somewhere, by the way?)

9. Paul Wendt Posted: January 19, 2009 at 06:27 PM (#3055217)

Tufts University, undergraduate students iirc.

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