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Monday, January 12, 2009

2009 Pre-WWII Players Results: 19th Century Stars White and Dahlen Get Our Vote!

With 97% support from BBTF voters, star backstop and third baseman Deacon White was the top Hall of Fame vote-getter for this election.

Not far behind, renowned shortstop Bill Dahlen received an equally impressive 94% of the votes.

Close but no cigar was Phillies slugger Sherry Magee, who just missed “induction” himself with 72% of the votes.

All-Star second baseman Joe Gordon, newly elected to the HOF, didn’t receive as much love with us. Only 56% of the ballots had his name on it.

As for our HoM subgroup, White and Dahlen were all unanimous picks, while Magee just made it over the line with his 79%.

Thanks to everyone who submitted a ballot or joined in the discussion! Thanks also to OCF for help with the tally!

RK   LY  Player          PTS  Bal   1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9 10 11 12 13 14 15
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 1  n/e  Deacon White     35   35                                
 2  n/e  Bill Dahlen      34   34                                      
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 3  n/e  Sherry Magee     26   26                                  
 4  n/e  Joe Gordon       20   20                                     
5T    6  Wes Ferrell       7    7                                    
5T  n/e  Vern Stephens     7    7                                    
 7  n/e  Bucky Walters     3    3                                        
 8   13  Carl Mays         2    2                                         
Dropped Out: Allie Reynolds(n/e), Mickey Vernon(17T).
Ballots Cast: 36
RK   LY  Player          PTS  Bal   1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9 10 11 12 13 14 15
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1T  n/e  Bill Dahlen      24   24                                 
1T  n/e  Deacon White     24   24                                
 3  n/e  Sherry Magee     19   19                                    
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 4    3T Joe Gordon       10   10                                    
 5    6T Wes Ferrell       7    7                                     
 6  n/e  Vern Stephens     4    4                                   
 7  n/e  Bucky Walters     3    3                                  
Dropped Out: Carl Mays(13), Allie Reynolds(n/e), Mickey Vernon(15T).
Ballots Cast: 24

 

 

John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: January 12, 2009 at 12:47 AM | 18 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: January 12, 2009 at 04:02 AM (#3049129)
hot topics
   2. Paul Wendt Posted: January 12, 2009 at 04:39 AM (#3049145)
In the "Group 3" election last spring, the first place votes split 16-7-1 for Dahlen with the stray vote for Bob Caruthers, not eligible here.

So 15-7-1 for Dahlen suggests that most of this weeks voters have ranked their selections.

Oddly, this week's stray "number one" vote is reported inconsistently, cast once for Magee and once for Walters.
   3. Obama Bomaye Posted: January 12, 2009 at 04:44 AM (#3049147)
Since the ballots are not ranked, I don't understand why, once again, the tally shows rank, only confusing matters.
   4. HGM Posted: January 12, 2009 at 06:15 AM (#3049201)
Since the ballots are not ranked, I don't understand why, once again, the tally shows rank, only confusing matters.

I'm not following that either.
   5. Ivan Grushenko of Hong Kong Posted: January 12, 2009 at 08:42 AM (#3049248)
And it matters, since Magee is in one way and falls short the other way.
   6. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: January 12, 2009 at 01:24 PM (#3049280)
Since the ballots are not ranked, I don't understand why, once again, the tally shows rank, only confusing matters.


That's because I'm using the HoM spreadsheet that I normally use to create the results for those elections. The funny thing is that I have used this in all of the other BBTF-HOF elections without, I believe, comment.

With that said, I erased the rank numbers for you.
   7. jimd Posted: January 12, 2009 at 11:35 PM (#3050072)
As for our HoM subgroup, White and Dahlen were all unanimous picks, while Magee just made it over the line with his 79%.

It is also interesting to note that our non-HoM subgroup endorsed Joe Gordon with 10 votes on 12 ballots, while our HOM subgroup did not.

An interesting exercise (at least to me) would be to poll the electorate to determine who else the ballotters (both groups) would have voted for if not restricted to only 4 votes. (I know some people already answered that on their ballots.)

Tot HOM !HOM
------------
35 24 11 White
34 24 10 Dahlen
26 19 7 Magee
20 10 10 Gordon
7 7 0 Ferrell
7 4 3 Stephens
3 3 0 Walters
2 0 2 Mays
   8. jimd Posted: January 13, 2009 at 12:10 AM (#3050102)
Looked for the answer to my own question.

16 people did not vote for Gordon.
6 people cast short ballots.
4 people said nothing about extra votes.
6 people indicated they would have voted for Gordon if they had more votes.

AJM, DanR, Sean Gilman, and OCF: Would extra slots allow a vote for Gordon?

It did cost Magee. 2 people indicated they thought he was worthy but not top 4.
   9. Mark Donelson Posted: January 13, 2009 at 12:14 AM (#3050106)
I was on vacation and forgot to vote before I left, but my ballot would have watered down the HOM-voter-Gordon tally, since it would have been White-Dahlen-Magee-Ferrell.

On the other other hand, I would have voted for Gordon too if I'd had extra slots.
   10. OCF Posted: January 13, 2009 at 01:14 AM (#3050151)
I woudn't have voted for Gordon. As it was, I strongly considered doing a short ballot, although I relented and added Ferrell.
   11. OCF Posted: January 13, 2009 at 01:18 AM (#3050153)
Question for DanG: What is our quasi-official list of 2010 HoM new eligibles? I know it's a busy list, with perhaps enough viable candidates to shut out the backlog, but I'd like to see the details.

Question for John and/or Joe: Would it make any sense to post a "2010 preliminary discussion" thread now?
   12. Chris Fluit Posted: January 13, 2009 at 01:19 AM (#3050154)
I posted a prelim with 5 names on it. If I had come back for the actual election, I would have had Gordon on it (as well as Dahlen, White and Magee- Walters would have gotten the short straw).
   13. Sean Gilman Posted: January 13, 2009 at 02:43 AM (#3050224)
Gordon would have been fifth, for me.
   14. David Concepcion de la Desviacion Estandar (Dan R) Posted: January 13, 2009 at 03:17 PM (#3050471)
Yes, I would have added Gordon.
   15. DanG Posted: January 13, 2009 at 07:33 PM (#3050826)
Question for DanG: What is our quasi-official list of 2010 HoM new eligibles?

Here's what I posted in the New Eligibles thread. I just updated WARP3 down thru Santiago. Gonzalez and Santiago arrive a year earlier than the BBWAA will consider them. The 2010 Discussion thread is definitely needed now.

2010 (December 7, 2009)—elect 3
WS W3 Rookie Name-Pos

376 132.6 1988 Roberto Alomar-2B
346 121,8 1986 Barry Larkin-SS
341 106.6 1987 Fred McGriff-1B
305 104.4 1989 Edgar Martinez-DH/3B
272 108.8 1990 Robin Ventura-3B
260 79.1 1987 Ellis Burks-CF/RF
234 74.9 1990 Juan Gonzalez-RF/LF*
227 70.3 1991 Ray Lankford-CF
221 62.9 1990 Todd Zeile-3B
190 67.2 1987 Benito Santiago-C*
183 56.5 1992 Eric Karros-1B
161 58.9 1987 Mark McLemore-2B
126 59.0 1992 Pat Hentgen-P
126 53.7 1987 Mike Jackson-RP
130 41.6 1991 David Segui-1B
128 41.6 1994 Fernando Viña-2B
106 44.8 1991 Rod Beck-RP (2007)
   16. jimd Posted: January 13, 2009 at 07:34 PM (#3050827)
Yes, I would have added Gordon.

That's the 27th vote. Both Magee and Gordon would have been elected if the ballot structure did not restrict the number of "Yes" votes per ballot.
   17. rawagman Posted: January 13, 2009 at 07:44 PM (#3050839)
No real need to start a discussion thread for 2010 before we finish the post WWII Vet's Committee stuff next week. January 18th to November should give us plenty of time for pontification.
   18. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: January 15, 2009 at 02:33 PM (#3052543)
No real need to start a discussion thread for 2010 before we finish the post WWII Vet's Committee stuff next week. January 18th to November should give us plenty of time for pontification.


I'll post it after the election.

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