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Monday, December 21, 2009

2010 BBTF Hall of Fame Ballot

IMPORTANT: Please read:

This election should follow BBWAA rules, not Hall of Merit rules. However, we hope to see only players that each voter feels belong on their ballots - if you don’t feel he really is a HOFer, then please refrain from posting that player’s name (examples of whom I am referring to are Mookie Wilson, Scott Broscius, Buddy Biancalana - players who were well liked or were underdogs, but have no creditable HOF resume). Leaving 1st-year candidates off your ballot is also frowned upon. IOW, we would like to see an absence of some of the silliness that permeates Hall of Fame voting by the writers.

The election will end Jan 4 (8 PM EDT). Results will be posted at the same time.

Please don’t post any vote tallies on this thread.

Here are some of the rules by the BBWAA that pertain to our electorate:

3. Eligible Candidates — Candidates to be eligible must meet the following requirements:

A. A baseball player must have been active as a player in the Major Leagues at some time during a period beginning twenty (20) years before and ending five (5) years prior to election.
B. Player must have played in each of ten (10) Major League championship seasons, some part of which must have been within the period described in 3 (A).
C. Player shall have ceased to be an active player in the Major Leagues at least five (5) calendar years preceding the election but may be otherwise connected with baseball.
D. In case of the death of an active player or a player who has been retired for less than five (5) full years, a candidate who is otherwise eligible shall be eligible in the next regular election held at least six (6) months after the date of death or after the end of the five (5) year period, whichever occurs first.
E. Any player on Baseball’s ineligible list shall not be an eligible candidate.

4. Method of Election

A. BBWAA Screening Committee — A Screening Committee consisting of baseball writers will be appointed by the BBWAA. This Screening Committee shall consist of six members, with two members to be elected at each Annual Meeting for a three-year term. The duty of the Screening Committee shall be to prepare a ballot listing in alphabetical order eligible candidates who (1) received a vote on a minimum of five percent (5%) of the ballots cast in the preceding election or (2) are eligible for the first time and are nominated by any two of the six members of the BBWAA Screening Committee.
B. Electors may vote for as few as zero (0) and as many as ten (10) eligible candidates deemed worthy of election. Write-in votes are not permitted.+
C. Any candidate receiving votes on seventy-five percent (75%) of the ballots cast shall be elected to membership in the National Baseball Hall of Fame.

5. Voting — Voting shall be based upon the player’s record, playing ability, integrity, sportsmanship, character, and contributions to the team(s) on which the player played.

The eligible candidates are: Roberto Alomar*, Kevin Appier*, Harold Baines, Bert Blyleven, Ellis Burks*, Andre Dawson, Andres Galarraga*, Pat Hentgen*, Mike Jackson*, Eric Karros*, Ray Lankford*, Barry Larkin*, Edgar Martinez*, Don Mattingly, Mark McGwire, Fred McGriff*, Jack Morris, Dale Murphy, Dave Parker, Tim Raines, Shane Reynolds*, David Segui*, Lee Smith, Alan Trammell, Robin Ventura*, and Todd Zeile*.

* 1st-year candidates

John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: December 21, 2009 at 09:48 PM | 256 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   201. Howie Menckel Posted: January 03, 2010 at 08:46 AM (#3426575)
Raines is in the conversation of "best 5-year peak ever not in the HOF" - and he has more supplementary support than other peak candidates.

Blyleven was 2-0 head-to-head vs 0-1 Morris head to head in an ALCS, and Bert better overall in both the regular season and postseason.
   202. fra paolo Posted: January 03, 2010 at 12:16 PM (#3426584)
Tim Raines
Alan Trammell
Lee Smith
Barry Larkin
   203. mastermind713 Posted: January 03, 2010 at 03:35 PM (#3426605)
#204 brother adam adkins

If my FLINT homeboy JIM ABBOTTT, WELLS,CONE, and LARSEN had been the CONSENSUS best pitcher of the 1980s like JACK MORRIS then they would be serious candidates for the Hall of Fame. That 1991 WS game 7 was just the cherry on the top of a great CAREER for JACK MORRIS who was the ACE on three different teams! You obvivously can not say the same for ABBOTT,WELLS,CONE, or LARSEN.

WHO IS ON YOUR H OF F BALLOT?
   204. mastermind713 Posted: January 03, 2010 at 03:45 PM (#3426606)
Brother DL

In regrds to your #200 post, I have to admit that at his peak MORRIS may not have been the equal to STEIB,SABERHAGEN,and OREL. However based on your interesting logic of there being FIVE starting pitchers vs only one at every infield position and one closer, then All FOUR(4) of these pitchers (MORRIS,STEIB,SABERHAGEN,and OREL) should have been given much more serious consideraiton for the hall.If you were naming an all 1980s team. These four would have been your ACES!
I am starting to support your perspective on the starting pitchers being underrepresented in the H of F!
I would leave Tiger Micky LOLICH out despite the brillant 68 WS!
   205. DL from MN Posted: January 03, 2010 at 04:55 PM (#3426631)
Jack Morris was a fine pitcher, I just think he's in line behind several others. We'll start with Stieb, Saberhagen and Hershiser, add Gooden. Don't forget that several big 1970s pitchers were still throwing well in the 80s - Blyleven, Carlton and Nolan Ryan. We haven't mentioned Clemens yet either. Morris is better than Charlie Hough, Bob Welch, Fernando and Dave Stewart. I can't say I've run John Tudor through but he had a few terrific years (partly thanks to Ozzie Smith). I can't remember where I ranked Jimmy Key and Ron Guidry compared to Morris.

I also think that a lot of the success Jack Morris had was due to terrific up the middle defense in Detroit - Trammell, Whitaker and Chet Lemon. Same in Toronto (Alomar, Fernandez, Devon White) and in MN (Gagne, Puckett). Good defenses are necessary for a successful innings eater.
   206. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: January 03, 2010 at 05:09 PM (#3426637)
Billy Pierce won 155 games in the AL in the 1950's. I really like Billy and thought I would mention this..................
   207. sunnyday2 Posted: January 03, 2010 at 05:32 PM (#3426641)
I don't really consider myself a peak guy as much as an essence guy.


Wow, after all these years, a new approach. Could we get a thread to discuss Essences?
   208. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: January 03, 2010 at 06:10 PM (#3426650)
sunny:

I believe you would have to invite Coco Chanel..........
   209. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: January 03, 2010 at 06:12 PM (#3426652)
That 1991 WS game 7 was just the cherry on the top of a great CAREER for JACK MORRIS who was the ACE on three different teams! You obvivously can not say the same for ABBOTT,WELLS,CONE, or LARSEN.

Actually, you can probably make at least as good a case for Cone as the ace of three teams as you can for Morris.
   210. Dr. Chaleeko Posted: January 03, 2010 at 06:13 PM (#3426653)
B Blyleven
B Larkin
R Alomar
A Trammell
Raines Sr
E Martinez
M McGwire
   211. Paul Wendt Posted: January 03, 2010 at 07:02 PM (#3426669)
El Chaleeko!
Now where is "EricC"?

Happy New Year!

more random thoughts:

Raines Sr?
It seems that we have more father-son tandems in the major leagues. If true, my hypothesis is that ballplayers before free agency commonly discouraged baseball, now they encourage it.

Jack Morris?
I try to picture him and I get Red Sox manager Kevin Kennedy. I think.
   212. eric Posted: January 03, 2010 at 07:12 PM (#3426674)
Roberto Alomar
Bert Blyleven
Barry Larkin
Fred McGriff
Mark McGwire
Tim Raines
Alan Trammell
   213. Kenn Posted: January 03, 2010 at 07:21 PM (#3426684)
Roberto Alomar
Bert Blyleven
Andre Dawson
Barry Larkin
Edgar Martinez
Mark McGwire
Fred McGriff
Dale Murphy
Tim Raines
Alan Trammell

big hall type...
   214. adamadkins Posted: January 03, 2010 at 07:28 PM (#3426690)
I don't know who Mastermind is, but I appreciate him using emphasis with CAPS. Very helpful.
   215. billh Posted: January 03, 2010 at 07:37 PM (#3426694)
Blyleven
Alomar
Larkin
Raines
Martinez
Trammell
   216. dan b Posted: January 03, 2010 at 09:42 PM (#3426743)
Roberto Alomar
Bert Blyleven
Barry Larkin
Don Mattingly
Mark McGwire
Dale Murphy
Dave Parker
Tim Raines
Alan Trammell
   217. mastermind713 Posted: January 03, 2010 at 09:45 PM (#3426746)
Brother adamadkins
I love having FUN LOL!

I would like to know who was on YOUR H of F ballot.
I heard what you said about MORRIS however I was curious what you thought of ALOMAR,BLELEVEN and others!!!
   218. mastermind713 Posted: January 03, 2010 at 09:45 PM (#3426747)
Brother adamadkins
I love having FUN LOL!

I would like to know who was on YOUR H of F ballot.
I heard what you said about MORRIS however I was curious what you thought of ALOMAR,BLELEVEN and others!!!
   219. OCF Posted: January 03, 2010 at 09:55 PM (#3426752)
adamadkins's vote is on this thread. I'll let you spend your own energy looking for it.
   220. mastermind713 Posted: January 03, 2010 at 09:57 PM (#3426755)
BROTHER ERIC J
I am not too sure about your comparison of CONE to MORRIS in your #216 posting.
CONE was obviously the ace for his HOMETOWN KC team in the strike shortened 94 when he won the CY YOUNG.

However, I do not thnk CONE would be considered the ace for his METS teams(DOC GOODEN was) or his BLUE JAYS team(actually MORRIS was in 1992).
I like CONE especially on the METS however I do not think he was as dominant or considered as good a pitcher for as long as MORRIS.

I have to admit DL from MN does make an excellent point about the DEFENSES behind MORRIS. He always had alot of great defensive help with the TIGERS,TWINS, and BLUE JAYS!
   221. mastermind713 Posted: January 03, 2010 at 10:06 PM (#3426760)
Brother OCF
I was able to find adamadkins posting at #189 however all my energy went to find your OCF psoting wayyyyyyyyyyyyyy back at #24 LOL!!!

Obviously BOTH you and adamadkins are brillant baseball geniuses because(with 2 ommissions) your H of F picks are exactly like mine. LOL!

However you both forgot to put my HOMETOWN TIGER MORRIS on your ballot along with LEE SMITH. Again, MORRIS was the winningest pitchers of the 1980s,the ACE on three teams(TIGERS TWINS,BLUE JAYS. Why not on your ballot? Is it the 3.90 ERA?

As for LEE SMITH,after FINGERS,ECK,SUTTER, and GOSSAGE made the H of F, I thought SMITH had a great chance. We know HOFFMAN and RIVERIA are going in one day.
Why not LEE SMITH who held the all time save record for so many years?
   222. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: January 03, 2010 at 10:42 PM (#3426776)
Teams for which Morris and Cone were effective:

Morris - Tigers: Clearly the ace most of the time.

Twins: Pitched there in 1991, going 18-12, 3.43. In the same rotation were Kevin Tapani (16-9, 2.99) and Scott Erickson (20-8, 3.18). Morris had the best postseason, so I can see giving him the edge - but I can also see giving it to the guy with the same number of innings and a better ERA and K/BB ratio, or the guy with more wins, fewer losses, and a better ERA.

Blue Jays: Morris had a 6.19 ERA in 1993, so his case rests on 1992. He went 21-6 that year, but with a 4.04 ERA that wasn't much better than league average. Meanwhile, Juan Guzman went 16-5, 2.64, with more strikeouts and fewer walks than Morris. And if you count postseason numbers in 1991, you have to do that in '92 as well; Morris had an awful postseason that year, while Guzman pitched brilliantly.

So, if you go by innings and runs allowed, Tapani was the ace of the '91 Twins. If you go by wins and losses, it was Erickson. And if you include postseason stats (which is definitely a reasonable thing to do), then Morris gets the '91 Twins, but Guzman was the ace of the '92 Jays. I don't think a consistent standard can pick Morris for both teams.

Cone - Mets: From 1988-91 (Cone's first full season to his last full Mets season, since B-R's sum function doesn't do partial years), Cone won more games and pitched more innings than Gooden, with a lower ERA and a higher K/BB ratio. If you include the part of '92 Cone spent with the Mets, the gap widens (13-7, 2.88 vs. 10-13, 3.67). It can certainly be argued that Cone was the Mets' ace during that span.

Royals: Over his two years in KC, Cone's competition is Kevin Appier. Appier was much better in '93; Cone was much better in '94. Their overall records were 27-19, 3.17 ERA in 425.2 innings for Cone, 25-14, 3.06 in 393.2 for Appier. That argument can go either way. If you give strike credit by pro-rating '94 into a full season, Cone probably gets a small edge.

Yankees: The early dynasty Yankees actually had a pretty unstable pitching staff. I'll compare Cone to Pettitte; if anyone wants to submit arguments for David Wells or El Duque, go ahead. From '97-'99:
Cone - 44-22, 3.28, 608/235 K/BB in 596 IP
Pettitte - 48-29, 3.87, 433/241 K/BB in 648.1 IP

I'd take Cone over than span. Pettitte's case gets stronger if you include '96, when Cone only pitched 72 innings, but you could still argue it either way.

I'm not saying that Cone was definitely the ace of three different teams - but I think he has a better argument than Morris.
   223. bobm Posted: January 03, 2010 at 11:35 PM (#3426793)
Roberto Alomar
Bert Blyleven
Andre Dawson
Barry Larkin
Tim Raines
Alan Trammell
   224. OCF Posted: January 04, 2010 at 02:02 AM (#3426845)
However you both forgot to put my HOMETOWN TIGER MORRIS on your ballot along with LEE SMITH. Again, MORRIS was the winningest pitchers of the 1980s,the ACE on three teams(TIGERS TWINS,BLUE JAYS. Why not on your ballot? Is it the 3.90 ERA?

The short, approximate, answer: yes, it's the ERA - or rather, it's the RA, adjusted by context and applied to his IP on a year-by-year basis. And the fact that he's not much, if any, better than Dennis Martinez, Chuck Finley, Frank Tanana, or Jim Kaat. And Morris was most certainly not the best pitcher of the 80's - that would be Dave Stieb.

I would note that those of us who have been with the HoM for a long time do not ordinarily "forget" significant players. We debate them at considerable length. If you have the patience, you might consider reading those and similar threads - and realize that your silly argument style is unlikely to impress any of us or change any of our minds.
   225. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: January 04, 2010 at 02:57 AM (#3426862)
Guys, you forgot Shane Reynolds too. Can someone give an EXPLANATION, for once, of why he has no supporters here? I can't imagine that it's anything other than an oversight, so I'm being polite.
   226. Guapo Posted: January 04, 2010 at 03:47 AM (#3426880)
Sigh... I was going to spend more time doing research, but I can't bear to miss out:

Roberto Alomar
Bert Blyleven
Barry Larkin
Mark McGwire
Dale Murphy
Dave Parker
Tim Raines
Lee Smith
   227. frannyzoo Posted: January 04, 2010 at 04:09 AM (#3426886)
Roberto Alomar
Bert Blyleven
Barry Larkin
Tim Raines
   228. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: January 04, 2010 at 04:16 AM (#3426891)
Alomar
Larkin
Raines
Blyleven
Trammell
Dawson
   229. Too Much Coffee Man Posted: January 04, 2010 at 05:52 AM (#3426920)
Roberto Alomar
Bert Blyleven
Barry Larkin
Edgar Martinez
Mark McGwire
Fred McGriff
Tim Raines
   230. CFiJ Posted: January 04, 2010 at 06:50 AM (#3426936)
I thought for sure I'd already done this, but I don't see my name anywhere. So, here goes.

Roberto Alomar
Bert Blyleven
Andre Dawson
Barry Larkin
Edgar Martinez
Mark McGwire
Fred McGriff
Tim Raines
Lee Smith
Alan Trammell
   231. OCF Posted: January 04, 2010 at 07:11 AM (#3426939)
CFiJ: as a ballot counter, I can confirm for you that your ballot is not redundant. You hadn't voted earlier, not in this thread.
   232. Eraser-X is emphatically dominating teh site!!! Posted: January 04, 2010 at 07:13 AM (#3426941)
Roberto Alomar
Bert Blyleven
Andre Dawson
Barry Larkin
Edgar Martinez
Mark McGwire
Fred McGriff
Dale Murphy
Tim Raines
Alan Trammell
   233. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: January 04, 2010 at 07:22 AM (#3426943)
Oh, this isn't a HoM thing!

My ballot

Roberto Alomar
Bert Blyleven
Andre Dawson
Barry Larkin
Edgar Martinez
Mark McGwire
Dave Parker
Tim Raines
Alan Trammell
   234. OCF Posted: January 04, 2010 at 07:46 AM (#3426949)
Oh, this isn't a HoM thing!

We're hosting and counting, but it's definitely not limited to HoM voters. As of now, I count 145 ballots, of which 32 come from HoM voters and 113 from other BBTF posters. We did this last year and the year before, but more people are participating this year than in years past.
   235. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: January 04, 2010 at 01:03 PM (#3426971)
Last day for voting!

The election ends at 8 PM EST tonight.
   236. Al Peterson Posted: January 04, 2010 at 02:34 PM (#3426985)
Ballot is full of worthy candidates. Let me vote for a few.

Roberto Alomar
Bert Blyleven
Andre Dawson
Barry Larkin
Edgar Martinez
Mark McGwire
Tim Raines
Alan Trammell
   237. Best Regards, President of Comfort, Esq. Posted: January 04, 2010 at 03:22 PM (#3427000)
Roberto Alomar
Bert Blyleven
Andre Dawson
Barry Larkin
Edgar Martinez
Mark McGwire
Fred McGriff
Dave Parker
Tim Raines
Alan Trammell

Dawson, Martinez and Parker were the only ones who gave me pause, but I don't think the HOF would be a worse place with any or all of them in it.

Alan Trammell would already be in if Alex Rodriguez had become a quarterback.
   238. Something Other Posted: January 04, 2010 at 04:05 PM (#3427021)
Roberto Alomar
Bert Blyleven
Barry Larkin
Tim Raines
Alan Trammell

In that order.
   239. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: January 04, 2010 at 04:05 PM (#3427022)
I thought I had cast my vote but I couldn't find it. I have a small hall mindset but adjust somewhat to the "prevailing winds".

No Brainers
Roberto Alomar*
Barry Larkin*
Mark McGwire
Alan Trammell

FOR, with mild reservations
Bert Blyleven
Tim Raines

FOR, with reservations but if Rice is in, how can you keep Dawson out?
Andre Dawson

I haven't been sold on McGriff yet.
   240. Hack Wilson Posted: January 04, 2010 at 04:25 PM (#3427036)
Roberto Alomar
Bert Blyleven
Tim Raines
Alan Trammell
Andre Dawson
Barry Larkin
Mark McGwire
...

Galarraga (I hope the giant gets at least one vote.)
   241. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: January 04, 2010 at 04:38 PM (#3427059)
Galarraga (I hope the giant gets at least one vote.)


Are you voting for him, Hack?
   242. Joey Numbaz (Scruff) Posted: January 05, 2010 at 12:17 AM (#3427618)
Roberto Alomar*
Bert Blyleven
Andre Dawson
Barry Larkin*
Mark McGwire
Tim Raines
Alan Trammell
Harold Baines
Dale Murphy
Dave Parker
   243. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: January 05, 2010 at 12:49 AM (#3427644)
Finally, Mr. Dimino! ;-)
   244. PreservedFish Posted: January 05, 2010 at 12:57 AM (#3427653)
Alomar
Larkin
Raines
Blyleven
   245. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: January 05, 2010 at 02:00 AM (#3427712)
The election is now over. Results will be posted at 10 PM EST.
   246. mastermind713 Posted: January 05, 2010 at 05:44 AM (#3427903)
OCF (OLD CEREBRAL FAN)
Ease up on the coffee.
I was simply teasing you for having the same H of F Ballot as mine except for JACK MORRIS and LEE SMITH.

I may be brand new to the H of M but I have been both baseball PLAYER and passionate FAN for over 40 years. I certainley have the patience to debate at length any H of F candidate based not only on the stats and numbers but the impact that player had on the game.

JACK MORRIS was the WINNINGEST Pitcher in the 80s. At his peak arguably better than STEIB. However DECADE DOMINANCE can not be your only criteria for selecting a SP for the H of F since you selected BLELEVEN who by no stat measure was the dominant pitcher or in the dominanat group of pithcers for the 1970s or 1980s.BLELEVEN deserves to be because of his long term overall KOs and SOs. While MORRIS doe snot have as strong a case as BLELEVEN he shold be considred more seriously then he is.

As far as LEE SMITH. He does belong on the same level as FINGERS,ECK,GOOSE,SUTTER,and eventually HOFFMAN and RIVERIA, however his SAVE TOTALS and KO/IP totals merit H of consideration.What are your thoughts on LEE SMITH?
   247. mastermind713 Posted: January 05, 2010 at 05:00 PM (#3428181)
OK OCF
Here is the stat arguement for JACK MORRIS. I know the H of F will probably never elect him wither thru the Writers or the Vet Committee however since the H of M had VISION and WISDOM to elect DAVE STEIB and BRET SABERHAGEN from the 80s I will give it a shot!

People always say MORRIS "only won 254 games". However NO ACTIVE pticehr had that many wins WHN JACK RETIRED! If you take the median number of wins among starting pitchers in H of F You will find that 254 is the median Do the math OCF. There are 57 starting pitchers enshrined. #29 is RED FABER with exactly 254 wins.

The win line should not be 300. Only a third of the pitchers in the HALL have 300 wins.The Hall line shold be 250 wins. Every ptichers with 250 wins is in the hall except for MORRIS KAAT JOHN, and BLELEVEN (who we agree should be in the Hall.)

People say MORRIS only had THREE 20 win seasons. However in teh MORRIS era it was more difficult to achieve 20 win seasons. In the fifteen years MORRIS was a regular starter from 1979 to 1993 thre were 62 20 game winners(4 per year). That is LESS THAN HALF as the PREVIOUS fifteen year period(1964 to 1978) when there were 139 20 game winners.

The bottom line is there are already 14 starters in the Hall with three or fewer 20 win seasons. Ten of these also have FEWER career wins than MORRIS.(BENDER,BUNNING,DRYSDALE,FORD,HAINES,HOYT,KOUFAX,MARQUAD,PENCOCK, AND VANCE)

People say MORRIS never won a CY YOUNG. However neither did 10 other HALL members(HAINES< BENDER,PENCOCK,MARCHAIL,WILLIS,LYONS,NIEKRO,SUTTON,RYAN, and PLANK). Five of these had LESS CARRER WINS than MORRIS.

The Biggest arguement I hear against MORRIS is the 3.90 which would be the highest in the Hall.
However remember Morris and Blelevan were the serious Hall candiates with over 2700 IP in a DH league. Without the DH MORRIS ERA may have been under 3.50.
Remember the League's ERA when MORRIS pitched was 4.09. 3.90 was better than average.
Also take away MORRIS's last two years and the Era goes to 3.73 under RED RUFFIN's 3.80

We always hear MORRIS was teh WINNINGEST pitcher in the 80s. Actually he was the WINNINGEST pitcher from 1975 to 1999. That is a GENERATION. A quarter of a century. The top winners are
MORRIS (254),CLEMENS(247), D.MARTINEZ(245),RYAN (233),TANANA(224), and MADDUX(221).

MORRIS was the workhorse of his generation. From 1975 to 1999 he had the HIGHEST COMPLETE GAME PERCENTAGE (33.2%). ROGERS(32.8%),BLELEVEN(32.5%),CARLTON (29.5%) AND guidry(29.4%)trailed him!

Finaly MORRIS has the HIGHEST CARRER WON LOSS PERCENTAGE of NON HALL ptichers with .577.
TIANT(.577),BLUE(.565),D. MARTINEZ (.559) and JOHN (.555) trail him.
Sevn Hall members have SHORTER carrers and LOWER WIN % than MORRIS (HUNTER,HAINES,HOYT,DRYSDALE,BUNNING,WADELL,FABER,AND MARQUAD.

HOPEFULLY ALL OF THE MORRIS POSITIVE ACHEIVEMENTS WILL OTWEIGHT THE ADMITTEDLY UNIMPRESIVE ERA.
ALSO PLEASE DO NOT HOLD THOSE GREAT TIGER INFLIELD DEFENSES AGAINST HIM.

IF ANY PITCHING ERA IS UNDERREPRESENTED IT IS THE 1980S. STEIB AND SABEHAGENR ARE IN THE H O M.
ADD JACK MORRIS THE HALL!!!
   248. Fridas Boss Posted: December 27, 2010 at 11:18 PM (#3718572)
Are you guys doing this this year?
   249. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: December 29, 2010 at 03:50 PM (#3719436)
Are you guys doing this this year?


No. Absolutely not. ;-)
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