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Monday, December 30, 2013

2014 BBTF Hall of Fame Ballot Results

119 ballots cast

Player Ballots Percentage
Mike Piazza 113 (95%)
Greg Maddux 111 (93%)
Frank Thomas 110 (92%)
Jeff Bagwell 104 (87%)
Roger Clemens 104 (87%)
Barry Bonds 102 (86%)
Tom Glavine 98 (82%)
———
Curt Schilling 76 (63%)
Tim Raines 70 (59%)
Mike Mussina 69 (58%)
Craig Biggio 65 (55%)
Alan Trammell 62 (52%)
Mark McGwire 26 (22%)
Larry Walker 20 (17%)
Edgar Martinez 15 (13%)
Sammy Sosa 13 (11%)
Rafael Palmiero 9 (8%)
Jeff Kent 7 (6%)
——-
Fred McGriff 3(3%)
Luis Gonzalez 1 (1%)
Lee Smith 1 (1%)
Jack Morris 1 (1%)

Seven players elected in 2014. Alan Trammell, Craig Biggio, Tim Raines, Mark McGwire and Curt Schilling have all been elected in previous BBTF mock elections.

DL from MN Posted: December 30, 2013 at 05:08 PM | 29 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. DL from MN Posted: December 30, 2013 at 05:16 PM (#4626652)
Decided to post results before hearing from all the ballot counters. I'll edit the results if necessary.
   2. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: December 30, 2013 at 05:24 PM (#4626662)
Morris' vote from Sugar Bear didn't get counted. Also, kind of funny to see 12 players with a majority vote. It's technically possible to elect 13 under the current rules (not that that would ever happen, but it makes a cool math problem)
   3. DL from MN Posted: December 30, 2013 at 05:27 PM (#4626670)
Good catch. There should be one vote for Morris. The totals will probably change.
   4. EddieA Posted: December 30, 2013 at 05:28 PM (#4626672)
What's really interesting is who was closest to unanimity.
   5. DL from MN Posted: December 30, 2013 at 05:29 PM (#4626673)
9.91 names per ballot
   6. ajnrules Posted: December 30, 2013 at 05:34 PM (#4626684)
Yeah, my count (that I've been trying to e-mail you for the past half hour) had 119 votes, so there is some difference, but it doesn't change the results as a whole.
   7. flournoy Posted: December 30, 2013 at 05:48 PM (#4626699)
There were at least three votes for McGriff - myself, BrianBrianson, and SouthSideRyan. I suggest waiting to hear from the ballot counters.
   8. OCF Posted: December 30, 2013 at 05:48 PM (#4626700)
DL was using my count. I completely missed Sugar Bear's vote, so that brings me to 116. That's why we need to communicate.

Edit: I also missed flournoy and BrianBrianson. I'll go find those.
   9. Monty Predicts a Padres-Mariners WS in 2016 Posted: December 30, 2013 at 05:49 PM (#4626702)
Piazza above Maddux? Madhouse, etc.
   10. DL from MN Posted: December 30, 2013 at 05:56 PM (#4626712)
Not sure how to give out my yahoo e-mail without giving it out to the whole world. The site e-mail is not working. I forwarded OCF count to fra paulo.
   11. OCF Posted: December 30, 2013 at 06:05 PM (#4626724)
I've now added flournoy and BrianBrianson and also found another ballot I'd missed (Hugh Jorgan). That brings me to 119 votes.
I'm putting this into an email to DL now.

If you have any email address for me, rawagman, ronw, or Joey Numbaz, try it; we should be able to rattle it around from there.
   12. ajnrules Posted: December 30, 2013 at 06:08 PM (#4626728)
I just posted my e-mail on the other thread. XP
   13. DL from MN Posted: December 30, 2013 at 06:13 PM (#4626732)
Hope this matches your total ajnrules
   14. DL from MN Posted: December 30, 2013 at 06:21 PM (#4626735)
I wonder if anyone from Walker to Kent would get elected if we had unlimited ballots slots. I'm certain Mussina would have been elected.
   15. flournoy Posted: December 30, 2013 at 08:07 PM (#4626801)
Differences between this year and last year:

Player          2014   2013   Change
Mike Piazza      96%    98%    - 2%
Greg Maddux      93%    N/A
Frank Thomas     92%    N/A
Jeff Bagwell     89%    98%    - 9%
Roger Clemens    87%    93%    - 6%
Barry Bonds      84%    93%    - 9%
Tom Glavine      82%    N/A
Curt Schilling   63%    83%    -20%
Mike Mussina     57%    N/A
Tim Raines       55%    96%    -41%
Craig Biggio     55%    91%    -36%
Alan Trammell    52%    84%    -32%
Mark McGwire     22%    71%    -49%
Larry Walker     18%    47%    -29%
Edgar Martinez   13%    28%    -15%
Sammy Sosa       11%    36%    -25%
Rafael Palmeiro   8%    29%    -21%
Jeff Kent         6%    N/A
Fred McGriff      3%     4%    - 1%
Luis Gonzalez     1%    N/A
Lee Smith         1%     3%    - 2%
Jack Morris       1%     2%    - 1%
Kenny Lofton     N/A     8%
Dale Murphy      N/A     4%
Bernie Williams  N/A     1%
   16. TDF, situational idiot Posted: December 30, 2013 at 08:21 PM (#4626812)
Alan Trammell, Craig Biggio, Tim Raines, Mark McGwire and Curt Schilling have all been elected in previous BBTF mock elections.
Interesting that McGwire only got 22% of the vote when at least once before he got 75%+. Shows just how stuffed the ballot is that 2/3 of the voters who previously voted for him couldn't find room this year.
   17. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: December 30, 2013 at 09:42 PM (#4626858)
Piazza above Maddux? Madhouse, etc.

Probably because of the people using "strategic voting".
   18. Baldrick Posted: December 30, 2013 at 09:58 PM (#4626864)
Interesting results. I will ask once again why people think Biggio was better than Walker. Anyone?

I suppose I would take Biggio's 1989-2001 over Walker's. But it's close. And I would absolutely take Walker's 'decline' over Biggio's long twilight struggle to remain above replacement level.
   19. Mickey Henry Mays Posted: December 31, 2013 at 09:32 PM (#4627473)
As one of the few who had Walker but not Biggio I'm surprised by the overwhelming difference in the numbers, unless there was a lot of "strategic" voting?
If that's the case then we're really not getting a true consensus nor does it seem logical because I'm pretty sure our votes don't count.
   20. lieiam Posted: January 01, 2014 at 12:31 AM (#4627524)
@18:
Well, Biggio squeaked onto my ballot while Walker was in a logjam just off my ballot.
I simply plugged in the votes as my system generated them, and spots 6-15 were very close in my system.
If I had unlimited ballot space Walker would have been included.
   21. DL from MN Posted: January 01, 2014 at 11:25 AM (#4627570)
I am sort of interested in running a "what-if" ballot where we only include players from this era who did not receive 75% in a previous BBTF election. That would mean Mussina, Walker, Martinez, Kent, Sosa, Palmeiro, McGriff plus adding back Lou Whitaker, David Cone, Kenny Lofton, Kevin Brown, Bret Saberhagen, etc. Is anyone interested in a supplemental mock-election? The only question I would have would be whether to stick to the 10 player limit or dump it. Keeping the limit would give a priority sort but dumping it would allow for a referendum on all the players.
   22. DL from MN Posted: January 01, 2014 at 11:42 AM (#4627576)
Other potential adds: Lance Parrish, Don Mattingly, Ron Guidry, Frank Viola, Lee Smith, Fernando Valenzuela, Dennis Martinez, Dave Stieb, Jimmy Key, Tony Phillips, Will Clark, Dwight Gooden, Albert Belle, Orel Hershiser, Jose Canseco, Paul O'Neill, Harold Baines, Tony Fernandez, Chuck Finley, Mark Grace, Matt Williams, Andres Galarraga, Robin Ventura, Kevin Appier, Juan Gonzalez, John Olerud, Bernie Williams, Brad Radke, Tim Salmon, Steve Finley, David Wells, Julio Franco

Would people be interested in counting? That's the hard part.
   23. The District Attorney Posted: January 01, 2014 at 11:59 AM (#4627586)
Sure, I can help.
   24. The Clarence Thomas of BBTF (scott) Posted: January 01, 2014 at 12:11 PM (#4627592)
i'm impressed at how many we elected. Good for us!
   25. DL from MN Posted: January 01, 2014 at 12:13 PM (#4627595)
Thinking a bit more the vote % should be a good proxy for priority. I say dump the 10 vote limit if we're dumping the 5% cutoff. Yes, we will include Lee Smith and Jack Morris.
   26. BDC Posted: January 01, 2014 at 04:34 PM (#4627782)
So when do we get our Tango grades.
   27. DL from MN Posted: January 02, 2014 at 12:00 PM (#4628157)
Updated with final numbers
   28. Ivan Grushenko of Hong Kong Posted: January 02, 2014 at 06:49 PM (#4628614)
As one of the few who had Walker but not Biggio I'm surprised by the overwhelming difference in the numbers, unless there was a lot of "strategic" voting. If that's the case then we're really not getting a true consensus nor does it seem logical because I'm pretty sure our votes don't count.

I was surprised by the lack of support for Walker as well, but my impression is that some people hesitate to vote for a guy for whom a massive defensive number is important to his case, just because they don't trust defensive numbers. I think that's wrong, because it's a bias in favor of mediocre defenders, but that's my guess on why Walker hasn't done that well in these types of votes. OTOH he was elected to the HOM pretty quickly.
So when do we get our Tango grades.

Mine would suck. I voted for Walker.
   29. Moeball Posted: January 07, 2014 at 10:39 AM (#4632118)
A few thoughts re: our results vs. BBWAA:

1)Yay, we got a whole lot more players across the finish line than the writers seem capable of doing and, no, we didn't water down the standards in the process. These are exceptionally good players we're electing.

2)Even on our polls it looks like we went down from 8 elected last year to 7 this year, testament to how much quality is on the ballot to choose from.

3)Bad news is this - we like to think the BBWAA is clearing out the logjam, but they're not really. The logjam is primarily in the candidates on the ballot before this year. The only thing they cleared out was basically the obvious candidates from this year with the Big Three. Of previous year holdovers all they've done is possibly get Biggio in and that's it - and that's the group they need to start clearing out.


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