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Friday, January 10, 2014

BBTF Hall of Fame Referendum Results

BBTF believes Mike Mussina, Lou Whitaker, Edgar Martinez, Larry Walker, Kevin Brown and Sammy Sosa should be inducted into the Hall of Fame.

Votes	Voters	Percent	player
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70	75	93%	Mike Mussina
65	75	87%	Lou Whitaker
63	75	84%	Edgar Martinez
63	75	84%	Larry Walker
61	75	81%	Kevin Brown
57	75	76%	Sammy Sosa
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55	75	73%	Rafael Palmeiro
46	75	61%	Kenny Lofton
43	75	57%	Jeff Kent
32	75	43%	David Cone
32	75	43%	Dave Stieb
28	75	37%	Will Clark
28	75	37%	Bret Saberhagen
26	75	35%	Fred McGriff
21	75	28%	Orel Hershiser
17	75	23%	Kevin Appier
14	75	19%	Dwight Gooden
12	75	16%	Albert Belle
10	75	13%	Bernie Williams
9	75	12%	John Olerud
7	75	9%	Dennis Martinez
7	75	9%	Robin Ventura
6	75	8%	Chuck Finley
5	75	7%	Lee Smith
4	75	5%	Harold Baines
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3	75	4%	Al Leiter
3	75	4%	Don Mattingly
3	75	4%	Jack Morris
2	75	3%	Jose Canseco
1	75	1%	Eric Davis
1	75	1%	Tony Fernandez
1	75	1%	Steve Finley
1	75	1%	Julio Franco
1	75	1%	Andres Galarraga
1	75	1%	Mark Grace
1	75	1%	Paul O'Neill
1	75	1%	Lance Parrish
1	75	1%	Tony Phillips
1	75	1%	Kenny Rogers
1	75	1%	David Wells
1	75	1%	Matt Williams
0	75	0%	Juan Gonzalez
0	75	0%	Jimmy Key
0	75	0%	Brad Radke
0	75	0%	Tim Salmon
0	75	0%	Fernando Valenzuela
0	75	0%	Frank Viola
DL from MN Posted: January 10, 2014 at 05:12 PM | 14 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. DL from MN Posted: January 10, 2014 at 05:18 PM (#4635962)
Palmeiro would be HoM not HoF and Sosa would be HoF not HoM, though Sosa is eventually going to be HoM.
   2. DL from MN Posted: January 10, 2014 at 05:20 PM (#4635964)
10.7 spots used per ballot and we took away the players who had already met the 75% threshold here.
   3. DL from MN Posted: January 10, 2014 at 05:22 PM (#4635967)
Do the cross-checkers confirm the result? (Did I count right?)
   4. DL from MN Posted: January 10, 2014 at 05:24 PM (#4635969)
Also HoM not HoF - Stieb, Saberhagen, Cone, Clark
   5. DL from MN Posted: January 10, 2014 at 06:38 PM (#4636009)
Kent v Lofton is interesting to me. They're pretty close as far as my evaluation. It breaks down as

15 Kent only
18 Lofton only
27 Both
15 Neither

If the Kent and Lofton voters swap votes they're both elected.
   6. DL from MN Posted: January 10, 2014 at 06:39 PM (#4636012)
3 75 4% Jack Morris


Yes - given unlimited ballot slots Jack Morris drops out
   7. DL from MN Posted: January 10, 2014 at 06:45 PM (#4636015)
BBTF Priority list

Mike Piazza
Jeff Bagwell
Roger Clemens
Barry Bonds
Curt Schilling
Tim Raines
Mike Mussina
Craig Biggio
Lou Whitaker
Alan Trammell
Mark McGwire
Edgar Martinez
Larry Walker
Kevin Brown
Sammy Sosa

13 players returning to next year's ballot above the line
   8. Davo Dozier (Mastroianni) Posted: January 11, 2014 at 12:41 AM (#4636114)
6--heh, yeah, that really hammers it home.
   9. The Clarence Thomas of BBTF (scott) Posted: January 11, 2014 at 01:36 AM (#4636131)
I'm very close to the BBTF consensus vote. The top 7 and Kent.
   10. Baldrick Posted: January 11, 2014 at 04:01 AM (#4636155)
This seems pretty close to right. I only really think the six guys 'inducted' are clearly on the right side of things. While I voted for four of the guys below the line (Palmeiro, Lofton, Cone, and Saberhagen), I can see strong arguments against all of them. And it was pretty hard to draw a line between those guys and Stieb/Clark/etc. So it's no surprise that other people drew the line slightly differently.

I'm actually surprised to see such high numbers for Edgar. It seems like support for him has grown around these parts? He failed to make the cut in the much less stacked years of 2011 and (especially) 2010, when ballot size was much less of a problem.

Or is that just a change in electorate?
   11. DL from MN Posted: January 11, 2014 at 11:57 AM (#4636211)
I think Edgar is gaining support here.
   12. The Clarence Thomas of BBTF (scott) Posted: January 11, 2014 at 12:29 PM (#4636241)
One thing that helps Edgar a bit is that David Ortiz has been getting a lot of HoF talk in the last few months, and there's really no way to make a decent argument for Ortiz if you don't have Edgar in your pHoF.

Steib is Hall of Merit, right?
   13. DL from MN Posted: January 11, 2014 at 02:01 PM (#4636348)
Yes, Stieb is HoM. So are Saberhagen, Clark and Cone.
   14. DL from MN Posted: January 13, 2014 at 12:34 PM (#4637728)
I think Lou Whitaker and Alan Trammell could potentially both be elected in 2017 on the Expansion Era ballot. I don't see anyone being elected from the 2017 first year players (Vlad, I-Rod, Manny).

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