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1. Dag Nabbit has the talking pillow Posted: September 14, 2004 at 04:02 AM (#853246)From Holway
1912 .231 for West Baden Sprudels
1913 .091 for various teams
1914 no data
1915 .243 for Ind ABCs; Holway all star
1-9 vs. major/minor league competition
21-64 (.328) for ABCs in Cuba
1916 .231 for Ind ABCs; Holway all star
4-14 (.286) in playoff vs. Chi Am Giants
0-3 vs. major-league competition
1917 .168 for Chi Am Giants
1918 .108 for Chi Am Giants; Holway all star
1919 .180 for Chi Am Giants; Holway all star
1920 .281 for Chi Am Giants
1921 .241 for Chi Am Giants
2-14 in World Series vs. Hilldale
1922 .256 for Chi Am Giants
2-16 in World Series vs. Bacharachs
1923 .252 for Chi Am Giants
4-13 (.308) vs. major-league competition
1924 .219 for Chi Am Giants
1925 .228 for Ch Am Giants
1926 .282 for Ind ABCs
1927 .210 for Detroit Stars; player-manager
1928 .155 for Detroit Stars; player-manager, listed by Holway as a utility player
1929 .314 for Detroit Stars; player-manager; ut
1930 .256 for Detroit Stars; player-manager, ut
Career totals derived from Holway
.215 Mean avg. 1912-13, 1915-1927
5-25 (.200) vs. major-league competition
From Riley
1915 .316 avg. (vs. all competition?)
1916 .250 avg.
1917 .258 avg.
1918 .201 avg.
1919 .316 avg (vs. all competition?)
1920-25, .286, .261, .254 in three seasons
1926 .303 avg. (Holway is close)
1929 .314 avg. (Holway agrees)
From i9s
Projected career 1915-1927
6640 ab, 1700 hits, 240 2b, 106 3b, 32 hr, 749 bb, .256 BA, .331 OBP, .339 SLG, 670 OPS
The i9s data seems to overrate Moss substantially, and it still doesn't give him a batting profile that would suggest that Moss is a HoMer.
Bill James has good company when he names DeMoss the best 2B of the NeL.
From the Cool Papas survey we learn that both Riley and Holway believe that DeMoss was the best 2B in NeL history. Riley writes “Unquestionably the greatest second baseman in black baseball for the first quarter century.”
That and the general lack of any great 2Bs in the NeL's after about 1920. I agree with whoever wrote that all the really good IFers were playing SS, and the NeL just didn't have a sufficient talent pool to have great players left over for 2B.
If Pelayo Chacon was a .250 Gold Glove SS, how could he not be better than a .230 Gold Glove 2B?
Actual 1928 Stats:
Games - 40
AB - 124
H-20
2B-4
3B-1
HR-0
Runs-15
BB-7
HBP-1
Sac-3
SB-0
AVE-.161
OBP-.212
SLG-.210
Bingo DeMoss 1923
Chicago American Giants
G-76
AB-278
H-71
D-10
T-1
HR-1
R-56
RBI-31
W-31
SB-12
AVE-.255
OBA-.332
SLG-.309
1921 Bingo DeMoss
NNL Chicago American Giants
G-70 (team 70)
AB-259
H-66
D-11
T-1
HR-1
R-57
W-29
HP-2
SH-9
SB-16
AVE-.255 (NeL .263)
OBA-.334 (NeL .324)
SLG-.317 (NeL .361)
He did play in the American Giants' park, so his batting numbers are somewhat better than they look. In fact, he was probably the third-best hitter on the team, behind Torriente and Lyons.
G-23 (Team-46)
AB-68 (Tm-151)
H-20 (Tm-44)
2B-0 (Tm-4)
3B-4(!) (Tm-3)
HR-0 (Tm-0)
Sac-7 (Tm-11)
Ave-.294 (Tm-.291)
SLG-.412 (Tm.-.373)
Per:
Paul Debono
McFarland Publishing Inc.
THE INDIANAPOLIS ABCS HISTORY OF A PREMIER TEAM IN THE NEGRO LEAGUES
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